So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

I mean.. the Kerchers have to be operating on some data that is more complicated than that?

ok if you read from page 368 on the above link, it was the opinion of the court that there must have been more than one assailant, essentially due to her being strong and fit and awake and sober, and thus requiring more than one person to subdue her - "Also the diverse morphology of the injuries and their number and distribution lead one to consider that those participating in this criminal action were more than one".

rmde

... even though "The consultants and forensic scientists have asserted that from the point of view of forensic science, it cannot be ruled out that the author of the injuries could have been a single attacker, because the bruises and the wounds from a pointed and cutting weapon are not in themselves incompatible with the action of a single person."

Torre replied, "It would be the first time in history that a murder was done with two knives.

"Et tu, Torre?"

http://cache2.artprintimages.com/p/LRG/29/2927/ZQ9RD00Z/art-print/c-l-doughty-the-death-of-julius-caesar.jpg

i have no way of knowing how much of this is true but the italian prosecutor sounds like a real piece of work

http://abcnews.go.com/International/critics-knox-prosecutor-giuliano-mignini-seeking-revenge-redemption/story?id=14623904

Decades passed with no resolution and then, in 2002, Mignini re-opened the case. He didn't buy into the lone psychopathic killer theory. Instead, he claimed, the murders were the work of a satanic sect, dating back to the Middle Ages, that needed female body parts for their black masses, to serve as the blasphemous wafer.

[...]

Preston and Spezi were investigating the Monster on their own. They pursued a lone killer theory which entirely undermined Mignini's. In short order, they found themselves in Mignini's crosshairs.

The prosecutor brought Preston in for an interview which, Preston said, quickly became an interrogation.

"He accused me of planting evidence and demanded that I confess to these crimes," he said. "I was accused of knowing all about Satanism and so on and so forth. And it was completely insane. It was like something out of a nightmare."

why would guede do it? what is the motive?

burglary gone wrong iirc.

this all plays well into my theory that european countries don't have the death penalty because their right-wing kooks and miscarriages of justice really beat ours hands-down

Rolling Stone sez:

There are many theories, but the most persuasive scenario goes as follows:

Guede stakes out the cottage after dark. He breaks into the girls’ apartment and makes himself comfortable. He swigs orange juice from a carton he finds in the refrigerator — he had a spicy kebab for dinner — and then uses the bathroom. While he’s on the can, Kercher enters the apartment, locking the door behind her. Guede is trapped. He can’t exit through the window without alerting Kercher, and he can’t use the front door, because you need a key to open the lock from the inside. (Kercher’s keys would be stolen, along with cash, credit cards and phones.) Guede rises from the toilet without flushing, so as not to make a noise. He walks to Kercher’s bedroom. Perhaps he tries to explain himself — “Sorry, the door was open, I let myself in, I’m a friend of Giacomo’s downstairs” — or perhaps she starts screaming before he can speak. He grabs her by the mouth (there were bruises on Kercher’s face) and threatens her with the knife. He assaults her and, realizing that Kercher can identify him, he panics and kills her.

and he stabbed her 47 times to make it seem like a crime of passion?

47 wounds including bruises and defensive wounds, not 47 direct stab wounds (i can't even find a primary source for the number 47).

looking fwd 2 the spicy kebab defense

orange juice isnt the best way to deal with spicy food repeating on you

So, what sort of supposed chain of events has the NME come up with?

either there was no milk in the house or we're dealing with a total psycho

I use my 8" kitchen knife to cut almost anything. The defense theory that there must have been a second knife is based on what? The depth of the cut?Is there any way to accurately determine the breadth of a cutting blade from a cut? What if one person accidentally or purposely cut Kercher's throat (thus obviating any need to subdue her) and then, for whatever reason proceeded to stab her multiple times?

"Also the diverse morphology of the injuries and their number and distribution lead one to consider that those participating in this criminal action were more than one".

I understand this sentence but I am dubious about the facts behind it.

of course the issue here isn't whether there's a convincing defence version of events but whether the prosecution version shd have ever been considered convincing

Guede's bloody fingerprint was found on the bed right? So either he was involved or he happened to be in a strange girl's flat and found the body?

Or the forensics and the investigation were completely botched and/or corrupt.

"He ruled out that the knife (Exhibit 36) could have caused the wound on the opposite side ... because of the size of the wound (1 cm and a half with a depth of 4 cm) and the fact that at 4 cm from the tip the width of the blade of the knife is about 3 cm and therefore much larger than the width of the wound (as indicated, 1.5cm)." xp to mwhite

Guede 'fessed to something tho which - i know, right? - but still

Yeah, and bloody footsteps that matched his shoes. And he confessed, but changed his story a million times. He definitely did it, but for some reason the Kerchers are despairing that there is somebody else out there, escaping justice.

im kind of blown away by the amount of misinformation thats out there circulating--is this just a british tabloids-shitty-translations-of-italian-tabloids thing? or what

not like those fine upstanding american tabloids!

"Jury's Verdict Unlocks Knox - Sprung after 4 years in prison - Beau also cleared of grisly slay - Chaos as mob cries 'murderer!'" - New York Post - Tuesday 4 October 2011

this all plays well into my theory that european countries don't have the death penalty because their right-wing kooks and miscarriages of justice really beat ours hands-down

Yeah, and the guy's black too so if it was America he'd been a dead man walking amirite?

I dunno, does he have a learning disability too?

botched crime scene work + criminal investigation driven by what sounds like a crazy person + media circus court case + four years = anything goes

xp to max

now now i wasnt trying claim that american tabs are better than UK tabs, tho they are

they did break Elvis's secret life as a UFO pilot first, tbf

Can't we just all be friends and agree that Italy has worse corruption, racism, and terrible tabloids?

Sorry any Italian people.

As always the best guide to what happened can be found here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043338/

The Italian tabloids couldn't be worse than the British ones, could they?

Sorry any Italian people.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:07 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

JUSTICE FOR DOM PASSANTINO

Or the forensics and the investigation were completely botched and/or corrupt.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:57 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

i don't remember the exact details from that rolling stone but initial crime scene was contaminated/breached beyond belief

some cases will never get solved, cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBen%C3%A9t_Ramsey

nypost is waste in the extreme but still better than the sun

thought this was quite good on how the italian justice system is geared up to generate debate and discussion, not to settle it. (eg, prosecutors get to appeal? after the defence has successfully appealed itself? wtf?) just another part of berlusconi's entertainment empire:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/04/amanda-knox-case-italy-justice

Doubt there's much in any developed country worse than the worst of the Brit tabloids, although the Italian press might be advocating shooting all immigrants for all I know.

come on, that's only the Express

another thought...

The defense theory that there must have been a second knife is based on what?

The "first" knife was picked up from Sollectio's flat, from a drawer containing other cutlery, the only reason to link it to the crime is the now discredited DNA evidence. IOW the "second knife" theory is misnamed, the knife submitted as evidence is a complete red herring, there was only one murder weapon which has never been recovered.

Makes sense

So if there was only one murderer then the authorities have basically fucked any chance the family will ever get of achieving closure or a sense of justice or anything? Excellent work all concerned.

italy, everybody!

Well aside from the fact that the murderer is already behind bars for killing Meredith Kercher, and will be for quite a long time..

achieving closure

Expression needs to be euthanized, imho.

Yeah sorry I got carried away.

The Italian tabloids couldn't be worse than the British ones, could they?

I can't speak for the tabloids, but when I was in Italy I saw a TV programme which seemed to be about how the Rothschilds were the secret world government. There was a graphic showing the places where the five original Rothschilds went to - AND WHEN YOU JOINED THEM TOGETHER THEY MADE A STAR.

also, the programme's presenter was wearing a balaclava.

there needs to be a public ceremony where the kercher's family, amanda knox's family, sollecito's family, guede's family and representatives of the US and EU get together over a big fat file of papers, and solemnly take turns stamping CASE CLOSED on the file.

then we'd have "closure"