'citizen kane' is one of his more fun ones. if not the most fun!
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't think F for Fake is really the place to start? Lady From Shanghai or The Third Man might be more like it?
― gabbneb, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
not dissimilar from Brando hotness, actually!
― horseshoe, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link
just jump in with 'kane'.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, Citizen Kane can be a bunch of fun if you're not spending all your time trying to focus and wrestle down "The Greatest Motion Picture Of All Time."
Naturally, I prefer The Magnificent Ambersons and Chimes at Midnight.
― Eric H., Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm intimidated by its Ultimate Status
Don't be. It's a gallumphcious romp, not a frowning brow-wrinkler.
― Aimless, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, Kane's syntax is as far from insurmountable as The Wizard of Oz. It's not Resnais or anything.
― Eric H., Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I've never seen a movie with or of Orson Welles.
-- Abbott, Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:28 PM
dude go for Touch of Evil. it's one of my like all time top ten way gr8er than Kane
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:47 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe more fun than Kane, but not as good an introduction because way less iconic?
― gabbneb, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
This is all v reassuring, thx guys.
― Abbott, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
This is gonna turn into what my Spike Lee thread did, huh.
Touch of Evil, also fantastic.
I'm pretty sure there are Welles films to avoid. I'm just not the one to suggest them.
― Eric H., Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
-- gabbneb, Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:52 PM
def less iconic, plus you get charlton heston in brownface which is great for lolz, but i really love the shit out of that movie.
possibly cause i was mad lifted the first time i saw it in the utsa library.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Welles is sooo fat in Touch of Evil, it's even more funny than de-gringoed Heston.
"Didn't you bring me any donuts or sweet rolls?"
― Eric H., Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link
halfway into the movie i was entertaining the seriously baked suggestion that welles' casting of heston as a hispanic guy was some profound commentary on the social construction of race.
xp to self
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link
i can't wait for morbs' disquisition on baked welles
― gabbneb, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
just watch citizen kane, it really is awesome, you will love it, the end.
― s1ocki, Saturday, 15 December 2007 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Abbott, you are talking silly nonsense or something.
Have you guys seen other films w/ Welles around that time? He wasn't THAT fat -- had to have been padded for Quinlan. Even the "I Love Lucy" he did wa sfrom maybe the year before, I think, and he was not mega-corpulent, just jowly.
The Ambersons Welles made might have been better than Kane, but the one that survives? No way.
(I think I like The Lady from Shanghai and Othello better than either.)
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 15 December 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link
abbott see them in this order:
1) kane (really entertaining; really, honest - there's a reason it's been parodied ad infinitum on the simpsons, and there's a reason pauline kael - much as i hate quoting her - called it "the most fun of any great movie ever") 2) f for fake (crazy fun, and gives a good sense of welles's sense of humor) 3) touch of evil (crazy, baroque) 4) chimes at midnight/falstaff (best movie ever) 5) macbeth (funniest shakespeare ever - othello is better objectively but i still prefer this one)
ambersons is wonderful but a very frustrating watch. it's still better than almost any movie ever even in its current form but maybe hold off on that til you see these.
― J.D., Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link
this film has a lot more going on than most top-ten all-time classic snoozefests.
OTM, i think kane is a way deeper film than, say, the bicycle thief or potemkin or city lights or the seventh seal or the godfather, not to mention funner to watch (tho i like all those).
― J.D., Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw CK for the first time just a few years ago, with all the attendant baggage, and it rocked me.
― wanko ergo sum, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link
he was hot back then, Abbott.
OTM! the picture james naremore uses on the cover of "the magic world of orson welles" is quite fetching
JD's list is pretty solid except 1) falstaff/CoM is very hard to find (tho it rules), and 2) i'm not crazy about his othello
― impudent harlot, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link
also, the third man, for some more great welles/joseph cotten fun, even tho it ain't a welles film as such
― kingfish, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Why do I feel that
the bicycle thief or potemkin or city lights or the seventh seal or the godfather
weren't the "top-ten all-time classic snoozefests" enrique was referring to?
― Eric H., Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:18 (sixteen years ago) link
funny, that's exactly what i thought he had in mind.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe Potemkin, but I figured he was talking about Bresson and Antonioni and Godard.
― Eric H., Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link
D. W. Griffith's "Birth of a Soporific"
― Abbott, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah it basically is, except 'the godfather'.
not bresson/antonioni/godard. well, maybe bresson -- but the pre-1960 canon. maybe early antonioni.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link
ie griffith, chaplin, stroheim, lubitsch, murnau, lang, pabst, eisenstein, pudovkin, dreyer, carne, rossellini, de sica, bergman, fellini.
'kane' was like the one american sound film permissible back then -- a couple of fords, maybe, but not the westerns, that kind of thing.
changed end of the 50s -- discovery of 'regle du jeu', french new wave, rediscovery of hollywood genre cinema, blah blah.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:27 (sixteen years ago) link
'ambersons' would be the best if done right, and it's still yoga flame as is, but the more you see it, the more the ending just betrays the whole thing, and i say that without being able to remember how it 'should' end.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I like The Lady from Shanghai
Madness! I saw it again recently and it gets my vote as his worst: mannered, coy.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link
the stranger's kinda weak i think, at the very least it's a waste of edward g. robinson in a boring part
― impudent harlot, Sunday, 16 December 2007 01:14 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:38 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
look who's talking!
― s1ocki, Sunday, 16 December 2007 02:04 (sixteen years ago) link
ANyone seen this?
― Crêpe, Sunday, 16 December 2007 03:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Ouch!
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 December 2007 04:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Don't forget The Trial!
― C0L1N B..., Sunday, 16 December 2007 06:24 (sixteen years ago) link
I wish I could forget the Jess Franco edit of the Don Quixote material though.
This film actually lives up to its reputation!
― Tape Store, Sunday, 16 December 2007 07:36 (sixteen years ago) link
-- s1ocki, Sunday, 16 December 2007 02:04 (7 hours ago) Link
Now!
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 16 December 2007 09:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Shanghai is, um, FUNNY.
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link
http://movie.yesky.com/movie/cover/353/5853_001.jpg Is is the animals that talk in this movie? Must rescreen this.
― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw <i>Journey Into Fear</i> the other night - 40s noir, starring Joseph Cotten and Orson Wells, how could it be bad? But it was bad. Or at least pretty uncompelling.
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Wells = Welles
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link
you didn't like Welles' fez?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Welles was a pretty silly caricature in the movie, even by the standards of the times I think... For a noirish movie, there was something fundamentally wrong with the plot, there just wasn't any tension.
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 17 December 2007 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
don't think much of his shakepeares (except 'chimes') or noirs (except 'touch of evil').
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 17 December 2007 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7161/youneedamorticianmx4.jpg
― mookieproof, Monday, 17 December 2007 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link
YOU NEED A MORTICIAN! YOU NEED A MORTICIAN!
― impudent harlot, Monday, 17 December 2007 17:35 (sixteen years ago) link
I love how great Welles looks as an old man, and how he nails how old people move and think -- their habit of sharing curdled witticisms and phony insights -- without condescension. The newsreel section, for example, where a young reporter interviews Kane after he returns from speaking to "the great powers of Europe."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Malpertuis
― remy bean, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link
KANE FOUND IN LOVE NEST WITH 'SINGER'
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
"He wanted to take the quotes out!"
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
SIIIING SIIIING
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
Kathryn Trosper Popper, Welles' personal assistant and last living cast member of CK (two lines), died Sunday at 100.
Several versions of the script vary, but in the version of the film that was released, Mrs. Popper is uncredited, but she can be seen taking a flash photograph directly into the movie camera, then from afar, climbing off a ladder. According to Mr. Lebo, she says, “Yeah, all in crates,” referring to curios that Kane shipped to Xanadu and never unpacked.
“You put all this together, the palaces and the paintings and the toys and everything, what would it spell?” a newspaperman asks.
“Charles Foster Kane,” Jerry Thompson, another reporter, replies.
“Or Rosebud?” the first reporter says. “How about it, Jerry?”
“What’s Rosebud?” Ms. Popper’s character asks.
“That’s what he said when he died.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kathryn-trosper-popper-dead-last-873587
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/movies/kathryn-popper-who-had-tiny-role-in-citizen-kane-dies-at-100.html?_r=0
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 17:24 (eight years ago) link
Her first visit to New York was with Welles to promote “Citizen Kane.” She moved to the city a year later, befriended many celebrities, wrote a hibachi cookbook and never left.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link
a bunch of Kane 75th anniversary stuff here
https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-citizen-kane-75-and-bordwells-rhapsodes
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2016/04/29/celebrate_citizen_kane_s_75th_anniversary_with_this_supercut_of_homages.html
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2016 18:27 (eight years ago) link
I got the new Callow bio on hold.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 May 2016 18:30 (eight years ago) link
on YT, for now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDgSgCo6z3Q&feature=youtu.be
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 May 2016 18:32 (eight years ago) link
that doc has a lot of bullshit about kane being based on welles
― remove butt (abanana), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 07:26 (eight years ago) link
Mank?
― This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
This is a thread
My long-awaited (by two people) CITIZEN KANE story:After NYU, I was working in a film restoration lab in NYC. It had two employees. Me. And a crazy, secretive Yugoslavian chemist that had devised a treatment that could remove most scratches from film.THREAD pic.twitter.com/WmNpJNygOi— Nicolas Falacci (@NickFalacci) February 26, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 February 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link
my students are writing about it this weekend!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 February 2021 21:59 (three years ago) link
"OR ELSE!" "Yes Mr. Soto. *whimper*"
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:02 (three years ago) link
Mr. Soto’s last warning.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 February 2021 22:53 (three years ago) link
I've seen every episode. Power to the people!
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 27 February 2021 23:43 (three years ago) link
Okay so
https://www.criterion.com/films/32250-citizen-kane
New 4K digital restoration, with uncompressed monaural soundtrackIn the 4K UHD edition: One 4K UHD disc of the film presented in Dolby Vision HDR and three Blu-rays with the film and special featuresThree audio commentaries: from 2021 featuring Orson Welles scholars James Naremore and Jonathan Rosenbaum; from 2002 featuring filmmaker Peter Bogdanovich; and from 2002 featuring film critic Roger EbertThe Complete “Citizen Kane,” (1991), a rarely seen feature-length BBC documentaryNew interviews with critic Farran Smith Nehme and film scholar Racquel J. GatesNew video essay by Orson Welles scholar Robert CarringerNew program on the film’s special effects by film scholars and effects experts Craig Barron and Ben BurttInterviews from 1990 with editor Robert Wise; actor Ruth Warrick; optical-effects designer Linwood Dunn; Bogdanovich; filmmakers Martin Scorsese, Henry Jaglom, Martin Ritt, and Frank Marshall; and cinematographers Allen Daviau, Gary Graver, and Vilmos ZsigmondNew documentary featuring archival interviews with WellesInterviews with actor Joseph Cotten from 1966 and 1975The Hearts of Age, a brief silent film made by Welles as a student in 1934Television programs from 1979 and 1988 featuring appearances by Welles and Mercury Theatre producer John HousemanProgram featuring a 1996 interview with actor William Alland on his collaborations with WellesSelection of The Mercury Theatre on the Air radio plays featuring many of the actors from Citizen KaneTrailerEnglish subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearingPLUS: Deluxe packaging, including a book with an essay by film critic Bilge Ebiri
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 August 2021 17:22 (two years ago) link
And yet still we wait for the colourized version!
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 16 August 2021 17:24 (two years ago) link
WHEN WILL TED TURNER'S DREAM BE REAL
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 August 2021 17:25 (two years ago) link
From beyond the grave: "What is it you WANT? In the depths of your ignorance?"
will we see a colorized version at last
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 August 2021 17:27 (two years ago) link
I think the dream is now a 3D version.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 16 August 2021 17:32 (two years ago) link