the crimes of george lucas ('90s on)

Yeah, probably not, otherwise he wouldn't be out there trying to shoot Luke down in the Death Star trench.

Vader doesn't even really know about Luke until after Ep 4 happens!

So the death star blows up. Vader has to talk to the Emperor, says "The force was strong in the dude that blew up our Death Star, my master". Emperor is like, "Btw, dude is your kid."

I'm guessing that's where another "Nooooooooooo!" would go.

there's a (now probably non-canon) comic where the emperor is cackling that he knows that vader is really anakin, like vader's been keeping it a secret from him, too.

What happened to those 3-D ified Star Wars editions? Because it is very important that they come out, to save 3-D.

3D Phantom Menace is out February 2012

Oh man I can't wait to feel like I'm being violated by Jar Jar's tongue.

there will presumably be inserted bits with lightsabers poking right out of the screen at you and that

The real question is: what were the rebels doing flying around Tatooine and how did the Empire find them there? Isn't it supposed to be way out in the middle of nowhere? Seems like a rather big coincidence.

Tatooine is supposed to be this distant, inconsequential place, well past the scope of the Republic/Empire, yet the characters end up there in nearly every film.

^^^ That. Because if you look at a map like this one, you wonder what the hell kind of route would have taken them past Tattooine en route to Alderaan.

C'mon guys

Its fun to think of this stuff, if kind of pointless. I don't see how this is any worse than those threads that spin into endless meta debate about which universes fictional characters reside in and how they cross over with real like contemporaries.

Because if you look at a map like this one

why would i be doing a thing like that now

i'm glad i don't know what you're referring to there xpost

You don't have to. I was just contributing to Moodles' musings. I forgot that ILX is most definitely not the place to geek out over nerdy details.

You better look at the map. Many Bothans died to bring you that information.

lol

At the beginning of ep IV, does Darth Vader recall that he grew up on Tatooine?

omg my 10 year old self's heart exploded with joy looking at that map

if you look at a map like this one, you wonder what the hell kind of route would have taken them past Tattooine en route to Alderaan.

You mean like the fact they were there was a diplomatic mission for Leia to get a message to General Obi-wan?

The "diplomatic misson" was cover, but you are right, they weren't actually travelling to Alderaan (also part of cover story).

Basically it comes down to:

1. Disturbance in force tracked to young force-sensitive kid on Tatooine
2. Kid revisits planet attempting to see dying/dead mother, meets stepfamily
3. Jedi dumps kid with said extended family on said planet after his father self-destructs, then hides in cave there.
4. In escaping the planet, jedi finds outlaw hotshot pilot/smuggler who is on the planet after working for local crime lord
5. Said crime lord pays a bounty hunter to track down and capture said smuggler, causing his friends to come get him (and therefore providing jedi kid to visit his mentor's old home

The only really out there part is Han getting dragged back to this backwater, which was kind of odd for him to have been at to begin with

Particularly odd since he was trying to *avoid* Jabba's bounty hunters.

Ah, but you forgot deleted (and then readded minus the dude with a shabby Irish accent) scene where he was negotiating with Jabba in Ep 4.

You know, the one where he walks all the way around Jabba and Lucas thought it would be a great move to have him step on Jabba's tail when they replaced him with a computer generated version so they could reused the footage

(note that I was obsessed with Star Wars as a youth up through the original special editions but know virtually nothing about ep 1-3)

OMG yes, I forgot that was the context for that.

"threads that spin into endless meta debate about which universes fictional characters reside in and how they cross over with real like contemporaries"

ET is a senator in Star Wars; when ET visits Earth, he plays with Star Wars toys. Therefore, ET proves we are in the Star Wars universe.
Death Star was an inside job.

Sound reasoning, except E.T. was clearly the senator's aide in the Galactic Senate, not the senator himself.

I always took Princess Leia's message to Obi-wan as a desperate hail Mary attempt due to the proximity of Tatooine rather than as the original point of her mission. I thought she was trying to get the plans back to the rebel base so they could analyze and plan out their attack.

Nunez, you just blew my mind.

Its fun to think of this stuff, if kind of pointless. I don't see how this is any worse than those threads that spin into endless meta debate about which universes fictional characters reside in and how they cross over with real like contemporaries. political gossip

so wait does the death star have a hyperdrive? it hadn't come to mind before that its passage from alderaan to yavin must have been pretty quick. except then it took forever to actually get into position to fire off a shot.

Interstellar travel times make no sense and have no consistency at all in SW.

Whatever, I bet I can make the Kessel run in like, two or three parsecs.

"Using linked banks of 123 hyperdrive field generators tied into a single navigational matrix, the Death Star could travel across the Galaxy at superluminal velocities."

superliminal is a pretty great bit of nonsense

superluminal motion is a real concept! possibly real according to a possibly-not-to-be-recreated experiment!

A friend of mine bought the bluray box sets of Lord of the Rings and Star Wars Ep 4-6. They cost exactly the same amount. The Lord of the Rings box has five discs per movie, a huge book, and a nice packaging design. The Star Wars box has a standard DVD case with three discs in it, one per movie, and a single card for the cover art. That's it. The discs are gray.

also the movies suck

superluminal motion is a real concept! possibly real according to a possibly-not-to-be-recreated experiment!

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aw 77 link ruined my joke

then again you typed "superliminal" so it must be I who has missed the punchline

you can let me know when the ban for linking 77 offboard runs out :D

Watched the blu-ray ANH last night. New Jabba sounds less like Jabba and more like one of the aliens from the prequels. He talks too fast. Also, he looks like a giant dried turd. He really looks like he needs a glass of water or something.

Obi Wan's new yell is fine. R2-D2 behind the rock, whatever, it's pretty ignorable. Everything else looked real nice. The first time you see the lightsaber it still looks like it did back in the day, with that strong flickering white light. Most of the other sabers in the film are more like the prequel versions but I'm glad that one bit stayed.

obi-wan's yell re-edit didn't annoy me as much as it did more hardcore fans, but it just sits as yet another pedestal example of superfluous changes lucas implemented for the sake of seemingly who the fuck knows what

quite honestly the rebel yell wasn't something i'd ever have retained after 429x viewings of star wars. it's funny trying to figure out lucas's head and why he thinks these changes are necessary

"rebel yell"... erm, was listening to billy idol today. but i guess obi-wan is a rebel, as in distantly of the rebel alliance, no?

STET

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Some LOLs from Mark Hamill in an AV Club interview today: http://www.avclub.com/articles/mark-hamill,62502/

Star Wars/The Empire Strikes Back/Return Of The Jedi (1977/1980/1983)—“Luke Skywalker”
AVC: How has your relationship to your performance in that movie shifted over the years?

MH: Well, I remember when we were like Sushi Girl. We were a little film trying to get attention, and having no idea whether people would be interested. So I was a great champion in the early days, and then it took on a life of its own. It was like being in a pop band that had a No. 1 single, and you’re just swept up in it all. And again, I thought there was a beginning, a middle, and an end. And that was fine for me, but it never really ended. Because it stayed in the culture for so long, and then [George Lucas] did the prequels, which brought it all back. At a certain point, you think you’ve reached the saturation point where you can’t really find anything new to add to the myth of it all, but it’s new generations. So in that sense, it’s hard to be cynical about something that makes people so happy.

But like I say, it’s frustrating, because I’m not creatively engaged when he makes the special editions or… I guess it’s coming out in Smell-O-Vision now, where you can smell the wet Wookiee, and 3-D, and it’s a roller-coaster ride, and a breakfast cereal. It’s all these things. It’s almost like one of the original Mouseketeers being asked their opinion of Epcot Center. I mean, you’re tangentially connected to it, but not really hands-on. But it’s hard to say. I mean, I really related to George Harrison when they said, “What’s it like to be in The Beatles?” He says [imitates Harrison], “Well, what’s it like to not be in The Beatles?” ’Cause he didn’t know. He was in The Beatles, so he couldn’t imagine any other way.

But like I say, I try and keep a distance, but also want to make people know. Because people will say, “I know you hate talking about Star Wars…” I say, “I don’t hate talking about Star Wars if you don’t hate talking about Star Wars.” I mean, I’m really in tune with what people want. And I’m not cynical about it at all. And people will say, “Oh, you didn’t get a very good deal.” But I didn’t get into this business for the money in any way. And I didn’t get into it to be remembered in any way. So the fact that it’s had such long-lasting resonance with new generations of audiences, it’s, to me, very special.

What was it like not to be in Star Wars? I don’t know. What I like about the prequels is, they have their own identity. They’re of the CGI world in a way that we never were. We’re sort of the last vestiges of the old school of matte paintings, miniatures, and models. So this whole new world of CGI where everything was created, the buildings, the clouds and everything—it’s a different tone. They’re much more serious, and almost like religious epics, in a way. Ours were much more goofy, I think. It’s like Little Rascals in outer space, vs. The Greatest Story Ever Told.

a breakfast cereal!