OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

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Arf, yes, you guys have evolved into blissfully ignorance of the issues. I look forward to your evolving so far past class issues that you ask homeless people if they can give you some spare change.

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.undertheradarmag.com/goldie_glcalbumcover.jpg

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha YES LET'S TALK ABOUT CLASS NOW

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

the point with this particular caricature is that Ronaldinho is, in particular and above all else, physically associated with having big teeth. this is not just a British or even European thing, as you can tell by a quick google image search. it doesn't even matter if he actually has big teeth - this is the genral public perception of him, hence the caricature. it's not just that one man who happens to have big teeth - Ronaldinho IS big teeth. the fact that the resulting caricature ends up looking similar to some old racist caricatures is a valid reason for some people not to want to own one themselves. it does not make it as bad as those racist caricatures, unless you lack the mental faculty to discriminate* between things that looks the same but aren't.

*unfortunate, but apt, verb

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

mr que otm

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread was going somewhere when we were talking about ejaculate.

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

roberto, are you even a real person?

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

i've evolved so much that i don't think twice about dropping N-bombs at naacp meetings because, hey, i just don't recognize race.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

KENAN WHY DO YOU ALWAYS WANT TO COME ON MY FACE

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i believe i am a real person, but who really knows for sure? what did happen at the end of Blade Runner?

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

in my country , "N-bombs" are a kind of tasty candy ! Nice try , American Kevin from Chicagoland !

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Hang on, are we in trouble now for *not* being racist?

Kevin, who the fuck on this thread has actually given any indication that they might do that?

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

*moment of realisation* fucking hell this is one of the worst things on the internet ever EVER EVER.

it's been nice shitting with you guys

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i do not have to come on your face. go ahead, turn over.

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i've evolved so much that i don't even have to call you limey retards, just retards

― pretzel walrus, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/421226508_7e287c479e_o.png

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm British. I read the first post, didn't find it funny, but it never occurred to me that it was racist. My housemate is from LA. I showed it to her after reading the shitstorm upthread, and she immediately said, "are there white ones too?" and found it a troubling image. That was before I showed her the rest of the thread. As Johnny B said, it's not unreasonable for it genuinely not to occur to people that the image might be offensive to others. FWIW, I get the same feeling I think a lot of the Americans on this thread are getting when I see Jamaicans or Indians or Pakistanis portrayed in U.S. culture (dude in Van Wilder, Hermes from Futurama), etc. Equally, anyone claiming that they can't understand why people might find that bottle opener offensive, after they've had it explained to them, is being disingenuous.

So, what I take away from this thread: cultures be different, and thank god for the killfile. Post by unfished business deleted = mmmm.

― caek, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i lack the mental faculty to know where (and on whom) i'm dropping a load am i retarted y/n?

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Hang on, are we in trouble now for *not* being racist?

i don't think anyone is in *trouble* for anything. i think "being mocked" is closer to it. it's a logical extension of the "not seeing race" stance. do keep up.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I get the same feeling I think a lot of the Americans on this thread are getting when I see Jamaicans or Indians or Pakistanis portrayed in U.S. culture (dude in Van Wilder, Hermes from Futurama), etc.

This is very otm.

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, I'm saying that not being aware of the racial issues is a bad thing, a fault on my part, and it's something maybe I (and possibly others who shared my immediate reaction) need to be more aware of. Point taken.

(I know that conceding points and showing weakness isn't the done thing on the interweb, but I'm starting a trend)

(Oh, and If we're dragging class into it, this thread will need apocalypse.jpg even more.)

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I *do* understand why people are finding it offensive. It doesn't mean that I have to agree with the thought processes that make them do so.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

you know, if your only investment in a conversation about race is to clear your own ass, you should maybe just stay out of it.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

caek OTM except for pretending that east indians & jamaicans are glorified full citizens of Britlandia and never characterized nor stereotyped

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean sometimes shit just sprays everywhere

http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/p/pe/penywise/618618_firemen_hose_practice.jpg

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

http://fire.fws.gov/pftc/photos1999/firehose.jpg

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~geist/Icons/needinput.gif

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

caek is a patronising cunt-face! :-D

srsly, though, there is a slight difference between not finding a certain caricature of an internationally-renowned sporting superstar racist, and being a member of the BNP and actively bringing race-hatred upon the lives of others. hence why nabisco's 'homeless person' analogy is melodramatic and unfair.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

hott

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay you know one of the main things that's bugging the hell out of me on this thread is the idea that these sorts of caricatures somehow USED to be malicious or hateful. They weren't. They were "affectionate." The lawn jockey is "affectionate." The toothpaste guy is "affectionate." The minstrel show is "affectionate." They all say "hahaha don't you love those hilarious funny-looking darkies with their comical ignorance and simplicity and whatnot."

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

shut up shut up shut up

― deej, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

uh xps to LJ obv

― deej, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

And OTM about Hermes from Futurama, my jaw dropped when I first watched it. Then I remembered that UK!=US and that they probably didn't mean it that way.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think caek said that, to be fair. it's a good comparison. GB/England has all this history wrt Indians/Pakistanis that might make sense of why (some) Britishers are more sensitive to portrayals of them even as they experience a lot of fucked up shit living there.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

how dare nu-ilx make it look like i think nabsico not otm.

― deej, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

caek OTM except for pretending that east indians & jamaicans are glorified full citizens of Britlandia and never characterized nor stereotyped

Of course they are, but in different ways to how it typically goes over in the U.S., which is precisely my point. I wasn't trying to defend British culture.

― caek, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

goddamn so many xposts never mind.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

srsly, though, there is a slight difference between not finding a certain caricature of an internationally-renowned sporting superstar racist, and being a member of the BNP and actively bringing race-hatred upon the lives of others. hence why nabisco's 'homeless person' analogy is melodramatic and unfair.

PS I would say this was fucking dumb as shit except at least shit MAKES SENSE.

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

GOD LOUIS YOU HAVE SAID YOU ARE LEAVING LIKE TEN TIMES NOW GO AWAY YOU ATTENTION WHORE BEFORE I MAKE KENAN COME ON YOUR FACE

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I have been plenty involved already thank you horseshoe. I think being mocked for not seeing a race issue where I didn't think there is a race issue, and explaining why I don't think there's a race issue (and explaining that I do get why others think there is, even if it's not an issue I would have ever have thought to bring into the discussion of a pisstake out of one man's internationally recognisable teeth) is kind of ridiculous though.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4b/200px-LOVE_JAM.jpg

oops!

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

They were "affectionate." The lawn jockey is "affectionate." The toothpaste guy is "affectionate." The minstrel show is "affectionate." They all say "hahaha don't you love those hilarious funny-looking darkies with their comical ignorance and simplicity and whatnot."

Unlike the bottle-opener, which says 'Ronaldinho is a flaming genius, yes, but he has big teeth so can be turned into a bottle-opener as a celebration of his genius'. I'd personally react with disdain and anger to all the things you list, but this is DIFFERENT.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

wow, good deal for kenan.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

DON'T MAKE KENAN DO THAT ALLY WE'D ALL HAVE TO READ ABOUT IT IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL ON SOME THREAD THAT USED TO BE ABOUT KNITTING OR SOMETHING

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

CHRIS MORRIS : A Peter File was attacked in his car this evening but I have to say if your surname was File would you call your son Peter?

SWANCHITA HAZE : No!

CHRIS MORRIS : And look : If a child does take your fancy please remember - leave it a couple of years.

SWANCHITA HAZE : I did

CHRIS MORRIS : Goodnight.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

it looks like someone came on her face with gummy bears

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I DON'T READ KNITTING THREADS, SO WHAT DO I CARE IF THEY SPLOOGE ALL OVER THE DAMN THING :D

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

hooray for brass eye!

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

My intention in participating in this thread was less to do with me [i[clearing my own ass[/i] and more to do with me working out why I reacted the way I did and trying to understand a counter-viewpoint. I'd have thought that was perfectly valid.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

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