Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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on R5 Ronan, a bloke was ranting about arranging a protest at the Newcastle game, constant booing of the whole team "getting rid of Houllier is more important than a champions league place" idiot

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:53 (twenty years ago) link

What's the point of getting rid of Houllier before the end of the season? I don't understand - its not like you're going to get someone top class in to turn everything around in that sort of time. And any upheaval will unsettle all the players and damage the club's Champions League chances even more.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago) link

Oh no I mean "he has to go now" as in at the end of the season he must leave, after what has happened.

That's awful though, the idea of booing the whole team from the start of a game.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:56 (twenty years ago) link

I know, exactly waht I meant about it not being the Liverpool way, that's the sort of shenanigans you expect from White hart lane for sobbing out loud (where the cries of Pleat out are building so I hear)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:58 (twenty years ago) link

The Spurs fans were chanting "WE WANT PLEAT OUT". Pleat said, "it is not a persoanl attack."

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago) link

How else do they express disappointment with what's been the worst season in around ten years.

Rednose Short Memory Syndrome in full effect. 1998-99, folks. Let's not forget 1998-99 (Christ, at one point heading into Xmas we only trailed you on goal diff - and this was in Walter Smith's shambolic first season when we couldn't score at Goodison!)

Whilst it's encouraging that Charlton, Newcastle and maybe even Villa can catch Liverpool now I refuse to believe any of those clubs can do it. I'm more concerned about the growing 34pt-club at the bottom and preventing Leeds' membership of it.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:25 (twenty years ago) link

Beautiful pass by Gerrard for Owen's goal against Arsenal. You hear 'slide rule pass' mentioned all the time. That was the textbook example.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:27 (twenty years ago) link

You don't believe Newcastle can catch Liverpool? Really?

I predicted a Top 6 finish for Villa back in August. If they actually get one I will be really fucked off about not going down the bookies. But then again I predicted Fulham to finish secon from bottom...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

I hope, desire and wish but I don't *believe*.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:35 (twenty years ago) link

O, help my unbelief.

― the loyolafox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:38 (twenty years ago) link

Villa are a big club: possibly they should always be top 6 Or Thereabouts.

I don't think they deserve Champions' League, though.

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:39 (twenty years ago) link

Deserve? Are you trying to invoke the ire of Dave B, O roonfox?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:41 (twenty years ago) link

I wasn't -- but now you mention it - bring it on!

I am the thief of ire.

― the irefox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:42 (twenty years ago) link

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?!

If they deserve to finish top six then they need to generate more points in the season than the team that finishes seventh. That's all it is.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:46 (twenty years ago) link

Well we had some convincing wins in 98/99, and weren't so awful to watch all the time either. Scored way more goals if I remember correctly.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:47 (twenty years ago) link

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?!

If anyone even attempts to do this I will come and slap them.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:48 (twenty years ago) link

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?

Mikey, are you angling for a revival of the thread that dare not speak its name?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:49 (twenty years ago) link

Yep, 68 goals in 98/99, just what, 45 or something this season?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:49 (twenty years ago) link

Can we talk about what makes a big club a big club again? Can we? Can we?

I think LUFC would make fine members of that stupid club. I wish the LUFC-EFC game this evening were to be televised. I wonder if 5 Live will give it proper coverage, or whether they'll focus on MUFC-LCFC tedium.

Fascinating fact for this evening: Eddie Gray's Leeds have an extremely good record when playing teams managed by Scots.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:51 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not a regular Nick so not sure what you are referring to. I would say 'no' however, just to be safe.

I think someone should come up with an equation. Where n = the number of fit birds per stadia and f = quality of the pies.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:51 (twenty years ago) link

Sometimes (not always), when I hear the phrase "x is a big club", I think of "Brutus is an honourable man".

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:52 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah but Ronan you finished 7th in the league in 98-99. Below West Ham and Villa. If that happened nowadays people would be calling for Houllier to be hung drawn and quartered in front of a baying Kop.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

When I hear the phrase "Spurs are a big club" I say "all hail to ye Macbeth, that shalt be Thane of Cawdor"

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:55 (twenty years ago) link

STOP IT!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

When I hear the phrase "a cultured player" I reach for my revolver.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:00 (twenty years ago) link

What is the revolver-owning revelation?!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:01 (twenty years ago) link

It is that JtN owns a revolver!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:01 (twenty years ago) link

Did anyone see the third eye on Soccer AM where the guy was trying to return the ball to the opposition after being kicked out for an injury? Twice he blasted it in the guy's face.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago) link

and the bloke never flinched!!

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:05 (twenty years ago) link

Twice!

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:06 (twenty years ago) link

What is a third eye?

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:07 (twenty years ago) link

Is it like a wild front ear?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:09 (twenty years ago) link

It belongs to Saturday morning. After they've got the colonel out.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:13 (twenty years ago) link

and just before everyone climbs aboard the showboat

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:14 (twenty years ago) link

About half hour before the dancing old man.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:18 (twenty years ago) link

who gives me the creeps every time, but after he's left I know that life can carry on (backed by Jeff Stelling)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:20 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah but Matt 98-99 was the year of the joint manager business, Houllier had only been put in on his own halfway through, so really a change had already been made that year.

Also if you look at the league table, there's no guarantee of Liverpool getting into Europe AT ALL this year, I sincerely hope they do and think they should nick the Champions League spot but the teams are all very close, and the reality is that every time I have thought Liverpool are back on track this year they've messed up all over again.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:54 (twenty years ago) link

Why does David Moyes have a TRAININGGROUNDBUSTUP with every striker on his books?

And why is he not subsequently viewed as dubious at... "man-management"?

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:44 (twenty years ago) link

Ever noticed how they seem to play better once Moyes has singed their locks? Not in the case of Jeffers, of course, who probably won't kick a ball for us again. DM is just sorting the wheat from the chaff - and his decision to partner McFadden and Radzinski was entirely vindicated.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

Would the PF play better if Moyes locked up his Synge?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:51 (twenty years ago) link

Ouch

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

It's you and not the Elland boys will be having the fine times, I'm thinking, and the sweet toffee wheat springing from the sour chaff on the dry Pennines, Michael mavourneen.

― the finefox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

Villa's rightful place, now and forever, is 8th.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

i'd love it if Villa nicked that 4th spot

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:34 (twenty years ago) link

Are you implying they can't gain it through above-board means?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

I'd love it too, but 'they flatter to deceive'. I enjoyed The Nun's comments last night - 'they're a small squad of players and they're doing the best they can'. He's always there first with a pre-emptive excuse.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

in retrospect i am glad i didnt try and force through a shola ameoba = cultured player joke

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

Leeds United 1-1 Everton

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

After a bright opening, we were pulped for 70 minutes after another classic characters-from-Dad's Army performance from Gravesen - from "I'm in charge here" to galloping incompetence and eventual withdrawal. He was replaced by Ted Lowe - equally ineffective but at least quiet about it.

I was genuinely miffed by Blackburn's win last night - I went to bed thinking the 2-1 halftime score was the fulltime score and watched in horror as the goals flew in. Souness must go down.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

The idea that Villa could be Champeens league contenders having spent most of the season involved in chat about whether they'd be sucked into a relegation battle says a lot about the Premiership this season.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:00 (twenty years ago) link

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