Yes they are - we were back there over the 4th of July as part of a big road trip. Having grown up in central Indiana, I'd been down to Brown County and Bloomington lots, but never realized these huge old hotels were there.
― Jaq, Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:42 (twelve years ago) link
I love huge, old hotels. The Shining never really took that away from me, teehee...
― *tera, Sunday, 7 August 2011 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
My boyfriend suggested dinner tonight at an Amish settlement. Sounds interesting. My first impression of Amish food at the Black Buggy wasn't great though.
I don't want to limit out experiences here. I want to see all we can see good or bad but the Amish...
Since being here and shopping with them at the Wal-Mart for groceries, I have discovered that they creep me out in groups of three or more. It's the whole cult/religion/lifestyle ambiguity coupled with their attire and the looks on their faces. I never understood people who were creeped out by clowns but I sort of get it now. It's a confusion that incites fear. What is a clown, what is their purpose, why are they dressed that way, why are they doing what they are doing? Their attire, make-up, the entire package can swing from ridiculous to sinister for these people. I get it now. That is what the Amish do to me. It's a confusion that scares the hell out of me.
The thought of dinner surrounded by the Amish makes me hyperventilate. I'll do it for him, because I dig the guy and love him even more but, eeksters. I am currently trying to find out exactly where we will be eating so I can view the menu. Then I'd like to check out photos on Flickr, maybe get an idea of what this place is like probably from a photographer who isn't as freaked out by them as I am. Then I'd like to spend the rest of day calmly walking through a casual scenario in my head: walking into the settlement, okay, I see Amish, don't count, breathe, baby steps, menu, order, breath, keep hydrated, focus on boyfriend.....
― *tera, Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
It's a confusion that incites fear. What is a clown, what is their purpose, why are they dressed that way, why are they doing what they are doing? Their attire, make-up, the entire package can swing from ridiculous to sinister for these people. I get it now.
Stay out of Williamsburg.
― ≝ (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
Teehee...
― *tera, Thursday, 11 August 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
Going to try the Schnitzelbank in Jasper,IN instead. Looks very promising!
― *tera, Thursday, 11 August 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
So where are people talking about the Indiana religious freedom bullshit?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 March 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
Seconded
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 29 March 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link
I'm still perplexed as to why Indiana's passing of the law has started a nationwide uproar that didn't happen when 19 other states passed virtually the same law. They all suck, of course, but is there some reason in particular people picked NOW to get angry about it?
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 29 March 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link
Good question. I dunno, context? I have no idea, but how many of those states have anti-discrimination laws on the book that trump the religious freedom laws? For example, Illinois I think has a religious freedom law, but it also illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, which trumps the former.
The North Carolina law in progress seems even even more onerous. It barely even defines the basis of objection as a hunch or bad vibe or whatever. Religion has almost not explicit role.
And of course, almost every place of business has a sign hanging already that says they have the right to refuse service for any reason, so who knows what this all means.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link
Timing, I would guess. Same-sex marriage is such a foregone conclusion that this kind of shit just seems like desperate, backwards people clinging to their bigotry as hard as possible.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 30 March 2015 01:01 (nine years ago) link
Ha, my post is half typo. I blame the Plead the 5th Imperial Stout.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 01:02 (nine years ago) link
Having lived down the street from Indiana my whole life, and having had family in a small-town farming community there, I think it's not that Indiana is so conservative, it's that there is more likely to be controversy within the state about it, and that gets good ratings. Hoosiers pride themselves on being friendly and they generally are! Then they have this stupid law where it's okay to not want gays' money. Like I said, it will make for good tv.
― Freeland Avenue (I M Losted), Monday, 30 March 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
Hoosiers pride themselves on being friendly and they generally are!
As are most racists, homophobes, etc.
http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/-welcome-to-indiana-the-mississippi-of-the-midwest--4e8e9.png
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
otm - this is exactly my experience having spent lots of time in tx and tn, both places full of seemingly pleasant not-so-secret bigots, homophobes, and misogynists.
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 30 March 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link
according to this the indiana law is somewhat different? idk.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/what-makes-indianas-religious-freedom-law-different/388997/
― call all destroyer, Monday, 30 March 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
xps
is there some reason in particular people picked NOW to get angry about it?
My guess is the priorities are changing in the LGBT community. As Josh said, the SCOTUS is giving every indication that all the laws banning same-sex marriage will be struck down as unconstitutional. Up until recently that took precedence. Now more resources can be shifted to this front. Indiana is the target because it meets the requirement for being new news, not old news.
― Aimless, Monday, 30 March 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
the Indiana law is different!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
In the other states the government can't infringe on a person's "religious liberty." Indiana's law sez "persons" can't do the infringing.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
^^ that explains it!
― Aimless, Monday, 30 March 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
It was strange how the HIV outbreak/needle exchange in SE Indiana happened nearly simultaneously.
Dennis Perrin is from IN:
Hard to believe that Obama carried Indiana in '08. Mushrooms?
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 March 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
On how the Indiana law is different: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/what-makes-indianas-religious-freedom-law-different/388997/
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link
Yup, call all destroyer posted that link already. It's a good summation though, I think.
― Losing swag by the second (Dan Peterson), Monday, 30 March 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, now that I understand the differences, it makes total sense.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 March 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link
Shit just got real:
@WilcoWe are canceling our May 7 show at the Murat in Indianapolis. The “Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act” feels like thinly disguised legal discrimination to us. Hope to get back to the Hoosier State someday soon, when this odious measure is repealed. Refunds available at point of purchase.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
Well shoot, I've already posted that Brian Henneman song in this thread.
― pplains, Monday, 30 March 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link
Hoos should change his dn
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 21:49 (nine years ago) link
I'm cancelling my christmas visit
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link
Just because Illinois has no such law is no reason for Wilco to be typically superior toward their neighbor state's conservatism. Only someone from Illinois would blame an entire state for this bad law. Get a clu, Illinois - you're a farm state too. Maybe someone should boycott you for your lack of humility.
If anything bad karmically happens to Indiana because of this, I'll blame Illinois. IME Illinoisans are much bigger unapologetic jerks. Clean up your own state first!
― Freeland Avenue (I M Losted), Monday, 30 March 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link
can't believe mitch daniels is the president of a university now
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link
The thing that sucks about the Wilco thing is that most if not all of the people going to that show are probably as against the law as the band is.
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link
Oh no, the Midwesterners are having a intradisagreement now. How long will it be now for an Iowan to come along and offer a slice of his husband's World Famous Rhubarb Pie as a token of friendly kinship.
― pplains, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link
XP "against the law IN QUESTION"
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link
is rhubarb pie midwestern? because I fucking love it.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link
Illinois does have a similar law, but it also has - as do most of those others states save maybe Texas - an anti-discrimination law as counterbalance, which Pence has stressed is not remotely going to happen in IN.
And come on man, Indiana has been paying for billboards up here for months taunting Illinois. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8C-lxTJTcRM/U3wwZaSEP1I/AAAAAAAAWk4/F1MUjsnnmoM/s1600/Still%2BAnnoyed.jpghttp://www.ibj.com/ext/resources/IBJ-Print/IBJ-Forefront/roob-billboard.jpgPunks had it coming.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:07 (nine years ago) link
I suspect the Wilco cancellation is largely symbolic. They did it to help amplify the opposition, not to hurt Indiana.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:08 (nine years ago) link
are they taking a stand by dressing like their idea of homos?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link
Gonna say ... no.http://popinprogress.glamour.it/files/2012/05/Jeff-Tweedy-Wilco-Sound-Check-Music-Blog.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:36 (nine years ago) link
I'm still "Illinoised." I'd boycott this shithole - the Mississippi of the north - for the damage it's corruption and bloat do to poor people, but I can't. I live here.
I understand what Wilco is doing, but people in Illinois feel superior all of the time. Indianapolis is not as RW as the outsiders up north think it is.
― Freeland Avenue (I M Losted), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link
Boycotts of this sort are a good way to spread fear and doubt into the non-fundamentalist business community, which HATES the idea of losing money they might be making. The main trouble is that such a boycott wouldn't touch the rural communities much. If it spreads to boycotting automobiles made in Indiana, then watch out!
― Aimless, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:43 (nine years ago) link
Also I really think more people would vote Democrat if the Democrats in places like Illinois weren't so corrupt! Democrats hurt the causes they claim to defend with their own corruption - I have heard Midwest Republicans say so!
― Freeland Avenue (I M Losted), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link
xp no more subarus
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:46 (nine years ago) link
I can picture the portlandia bit where Carrie and Fred are buying a Forrester but then see the "made in Indiana" sticker
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, them Dems and their corruption. I read somewhere that the best way to cut down on corruption is just to cut taxes.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:49 (nine years ago) link
bit doesn't really work with the hummer plant
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link
Handy guide to some state boycotts, effects:http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/will-the-indiana-boycott-work/
― dow, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:54 (nine years ago) link
Jonah Goldberg just said after winning the gay marriage battle the gay rights lobby re the Indiana law wants to "shoot the wounded."
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:56 (nine years ago) link
aw c'mon. let them have at least a little hate c'mon. don't be mean.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
From that fivethirtyeight.com article:
On Monday, legislative leaders in Indiana said they would amend the new law to make it clear that it does not permit discrimination against gay and lesbian couples. It’s not clear yet, however, what those changes will be...
I hope they do so quickly, before the anti-gay forces can rally a call-in campaign.
― Aimless, Monday, 30 March 2015 23:06 (nine years ago) link
The funny thing is that some are 'not going to go to Indiana' now are people that wouldn't go to Indiana unless they had to anyway.
I just hope that this shit blows up so big it ends up screwing Dan Coats and Mike Pence within the state.
― earlnash, Monday, 30 March 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link