2008 Primaries Thread

"And his laissez-faire approach to economics would hand more power to corporations, given the present system."

it seems to me lots of people have two ideas in their head at the same time which confuse what they think about economics, corporations and the state. 1) laissez-faire (or 'free-market') policies will increase the power of corporations and 2) corporations have too much power and influence in government. politicians and corporations purposely invite this kind of confusion to increase their power and wealth. of course Reagan style deregulation helps corporations - thats the point!

but there is a difference between what romney says he would do and what paul says he would do. there is a difference between crony capitalism and the free market (for one the first is prob inevitable and the second is largely theoretical).

Subject: Ophra's Friend

Who is Barack Obama?

Very interesting and something that should be considered in your
choice.

If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all
your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us
here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.

We checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM
from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from
Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His
mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.?
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama
attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
attended Catholic school."

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
that he is not a radical.

Obama's introduction to Islam came via his fa ther, and t hat this
influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
in Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
it is politically expedient to be a CH RISTIAN when seeking major
public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
over their hea rts, Obama t urns his back to the flag and slouches. We have seen this in untouched photos.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading
our country?...... NOT ME!!!

If Barack Hussein Obama stops asks you for directions, KEEP GOING.

andbnwhat

since obama is a secret radical muslim does that mean he will make all of us convert to muslim if he is elected?

"democracy" (ie, two white hick states)

who do you think edwards' base is??!!!

that was a forwarded email caught in the work spam filter. I deleted it like the Ophra would want.

Ophra Huzzah

I like Elmo's bowtie.

Durbin sticks up for Obama's anti-war record

Both events, clearly intended to tap into Clark County's large Hispanic population, stood in stark contrast to Mrs. Clinton's last visit to Nevada, when she gave a stump speech from a stage far from supporters in a nature preserve and then departed majestically whence she came.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/politics/11clinton.html

gtfo! ridiculous

hilary might have krugman but she's lost the crucial 'copyeditor primary' it seems

i thot the krug was an edwards man.

(x-post) >>We checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself.

As a matter of fact, I DID check this on Snopes, and as you might surmise, it is for the most part NOT factual. Pretty much a fabricated crock of crap.

The crowd broke out into “Hillary, Hillary!” especially in response to lines like, “All of our problems are interconnected, but we treat them as if one were guacamole and one were chips.”

haha, "i've been trying to dip the subprime mortgage crisis into the iraq war, but maybe i've been approaching these problems the wrong way..."

that line does not make any fucking sense

i know obama is the real rhetorician in the dem primaries but do her analogies have to be so base and retarded?

where is Hillarysombrero.jpg

I never realized the nation's problems were so delicious

“I’m very committed to reaching out and meeting the people in this state,” Mrs. Clinton said. When asked about her teary-eyed moment in New Hampshire, Mrs. Clinton referred to having “that connection and that empathy” that might appeal to voters.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f211/katiewnh/1021_wide.jpg
"I have people skills!

"

uh actually Clinton referred to having “that connection and that empathy” that might appeal to voters. << more sly BS from this article!

i thot the krug was an edwards man

he appreciated Edwards' being first to release a plan, likes his and Hillary's better than Obama's, and chronically gives O shit since O called him out, but essentially approves of all of them. he misses the point that the differences in their "plans" are largely minor differences of rhetorical emphasis with lots of room to align with one another in actual governance, and that the differences in rhetorical emphasis are largely responses to how the candidate is perceived by the public.

The crowd broke out into “Hillary, Hillary!” especially in response to lines like, “All of our problems are interconnected, but we treat them as if one were guacamole and one were chips.”

haha, "i've been trying to dip the subprime mortgage crisis into the iraq war, but maybe i've been approaching these problems the wrong way..."

they are all guacamole dont u seeeee

what we need to do is crumble the chips of subprime mortagage lending into the guacamole of targeted tax cuts, wrap it up with affordable health care, and bake the whole enchilada with a spicy molé sauce. of like, love.

spicy molé sauce of change, more like

as a Jew who loves Indian food, how can I trust that my interests will be represented in this mexican a la carte scenario

as a Jew . . . how can I trust that my interests will be represented in this mexican a la carte scenario

Convert.

MMM GIMME SOME MOLE

http://media.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/richardson.jpg

i'm not sure that one candidate necessarily does better than another depending on who's on the other side, but i'd still like (contra kos) the other side to pick first - http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/012892.php

wouldn't richardson be reppin' for his home state's green chiles?

tho kos may just want us to get romney, in the not-illegitimate belief that he's easier to pick off

lots of good stuff at washmonth today

hillary spontaneously wells up again - http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/012887.php

the some girls try too hard take on hillary - http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/012886.php

The one you're all waiting for: Hitch on HRC

that's the best he can do? oddly toothless

well it's kind of a c+p for him at this point

Asking us to remember the name of the chapter in his book about Juania Brodderick does him no favors.

Please, conservative elites, scream this from the highest mountaintops:'The McCain domestic record is a disaster. . . . most far-reaching amnesty program in American history. . . . And McCain’s stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was largely based on socialist, class-warfare rhetoric — tax cuts for the rich, not for the middle class. . . . consistently hostile to American enterprise. . . . granting of due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants (terrorists). . . . called for the immediate closing of Guantanamo Bay and the introduction of al-Qaeda terrorists into our own prisons'

But WTF: Mark Levin of the NRO says that Huckabee won't attack McCain's record because Huckabee "is apparently in the tank for" McCain? Waht?

he wants to be veep

But he can actually win, if evengelicals keep uniting behind him and the ABH (Anybody But Huckabee) vote is split b/w 3 candidates.

i think he's quite aware that he isn't going to win

from the hitch:

Well, the main "experience" involved the comprehensive fouling-up of the nation's health-care arrangements, so as to make them considerably worse than they had been before and to create an opening for the worst-of-all-worlds option of the so-called HMO, combining as it did the maximum of capitalist gouging with the maximum of socialistic bureaucracy.

kinda reads funny, like someone should tell ol' chrissy that hmos were invented in the 1970s.

wouldn't richardson be reppin' for his home state's green chiles?

Oh yeah you fucking KNOW it! Them're delicious. (And people kind of look at you weird if you ask for mole in my neck of th woods.)

Best thing about Richardson is he allows me to get intermittently excited about my state.

theres a funny 'i hate huckabee' facebook group that uses both conservative AND liberal arguments against him in their description, quoting both the cato institute AND slamming him for his pro-life stance

Proper term is "I Fart Fuckabees," hello9

Is it wrong or base of me that one of my main concerns about a Clinton presidency would be if the press got wind of fresh Bill philandering, followed by crushing one-term defeat?

xposts - haha i was to mark levin earlier tonight, he makes me laugh. hearing him yell about how much he hates mccain made me less worried about the prospect of a mccain presidency

*insert "listening" into that first phrase there. god i have so many typos.