TDK is massively overambitious, raising moral questions it has no hope of resolving
LOL
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:46 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
what an inscrutable post
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
maybe it just made him laugh out loud
― goole, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― so brycey (history mayne), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
The fight scenes are a mess though.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, i think thats a limitation of the batsuit, its so clunky you have to shoot around it
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
It did! Whenever i hear about this movie and all the DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS it asks i think back to the time I've seen it and kinda have to laugh. Maybe someone needs to point out some of these to re-jog my memory. I mostly remember lots of explosions and growly voices and token 'War On Terror' references.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
trying to condescend to something intellectually by saying you didn't really pay attention is... one way of doing it
― so brycey (history mayne), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
welcome to America
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
Whenever i hear about this movie and all the DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS
I don't think anyone here is saying there are DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS, just some complex issues that can't be resolved in a movie of this depth, and probably can't be resolved in the real world, either.
Whenever I hear people talking about a movie having DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS they're usually someone I've just met who seems nice enough but really isn't anyone I'm going to talk movies with.
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
its pretty much been confirmed that the catwoman costume's gonna be modeled on the recent redesign with the novelty oversized goggles and zipper pull
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:41 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark
O_O
what does this look like btw
― g++ (gbx), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
Whenever I hear people talking about a movie having DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS they're usually someone I've just met who seems nice enough but really isn't anyone I'm going to talk movies with
for god's sake don't peak into the Tree of Life thread.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
gbx:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2LBhxpmHVIc/TUTHzhsgDFI/AAAAAAAABvE/lHr1Xc-MJig/s1600/catwoman-blk-wht-1.jpg
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
oh ffs
― g++ (gbx), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/VJFpu.jpg
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
tdk really needed to lose the tapping concerns, the boat subplot and dent/batman/ann other love triangle, BB only needed to lose all of neeson after the training scenes.
Still good 'event' movies tho, psyched for next one, maybe he'll learn to streamline one of these days
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
the boat subplot
nah this was good
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
it was ok until he sanitised the point at the end, fair enough.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
Boat subplot was good. But really, you could have stuck it in a Die Hard and it would fit just fine.
I guess I mainly have a problem w the surveillance thing, which is brought out to obviously touch a post-9/11 nerve, and Fox even says he will resign if it's used after the emergency. But at the end of the movie they get the bad guy, destroy the thing, and Batman and Fox's consciences are clear, like nothing ever happened. Nothing really changed, other than a few discussions of how dangerous such a tool is. No consequences of it are ever shown, just feels like a morality tease to me.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Btw it really is an awesome movie and I love it and apologize if i seem to be trolling here. Just feel like some parts are 1-D 'Woah, deep!' signifiers and little else.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
The tapping thing was just really annoying as a visual device too
― Number None, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
agree the whole tapping/cellphone thing was totally stupid and unnecessary
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
You can acknowledge you're walking a line and make a point without obviously going over it to show the audience, imo. It'd be more egregious if they had a scene where Bruce Wayne was using the tech to spy on his ex-girlfriend and Harvey Dent imo.
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
well the main problem was that it was two movies mushed into one, and even if you'd separated them they'd both have a lot of padding.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
it seems strange that a movie that moves so fast could even feel like it HAS padding but welcome to the 21st-century i guess.
i like tdk for the set pieces and (some) of the acting and just a lot of the images. i think i'm probably more immune to the lolz that come from "batman stories that bite off more adult morality than they can chew" than most people because i HAVE been reading the comics for the last 25 years. i still nolan should ditch the costumes and the high concepts and just make a '70s crime thriller or its modern m. mann style equivalent next time out thought.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if i'd characterize TDK as about DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS, but it does (pretty obviously if i remember correctly) deal with moral paradox--that's kinda the Joker's whole M.O. in the movie.
― ryan, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
tdk is pretty much spoiled by DEEP MORAL QUESTIONS tbh
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
there is no DEEP MORAL QUESTION raised in a batman story that can't be answered by slapping a psychopath around.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
in itself, a DMQ I feel
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
The whole point of the Joker is that there's no moral question! He's implicitly amoral and is supposedly trying to get Batman to break his morals, but really I think that's a red herring and he's just a troll
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
it's basically impossible to write a batman story not spoiled by DMQs unless you're a fascist or aiming it at 6-year-olds.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
the whole point of the joker is that THEY'RE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME CRAZY-ASS COIN, DO YOU SEE? which has been the snooze-y subtext of every batman story since dkr/killing joke, if not before.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
"the whole point of the joker in tdk" i should say.
who do we have to talk to in order to get Neil Adams' "Batman: Odyssey" incorporated into this movie
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
DAN OTM
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://wolkin.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/odyssey3.jpg
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
j-j-j-j-jack your batman
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
(someone has to have made that joke already)
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:20 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest
Batman can be made into a fugitive w/o really affecting Bruce Wayne's life so much cos as far as most know they are two different people that have nothing to do with each other. And perhaps Batman's life will change very little as well. It's not like he's going to have trouble outrunning the police if they ever chase him, and it's not like he doesn't already spend Gotham nights lurking about in the shadows.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
question to comics fans: is that batman page supposed to be good or not
― goole, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
it is supposed to be AMAZING
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
not in the way neal adams meant it to be good, no
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
actually it's a series by a classic batman artist who is apparently batshit (lol) insane and has a plot that makes no sense, a bizarre hairy bruce wayne who breaks the fourth wall constantly, and no discernible plot
― mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
it is supposed to jack your mind into a puddle of goo
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
What does this have to do with the text you quoted?
Casting Batman as being as crazy as The Joker has nothing to do with his status as a fugitive or whether the police are helping him or hunting him; it has to do with the question "what is acceptable behavior?" and many many writers get a lot of mileage out of wondering whether putting on skin-tight body armor and throwing boomerangs at jewel thieves is an activity that should be considered "acceptable".
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
also:
http://outlawmoon.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/odyssey.jpg?w=470&h=288
to be fair to neal adams a.) he's 70 now so incipient dementia is not out of the question and b.) his '70s batman was actually hairier if that's possible
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
'numbed to vibrating oblivion'??
― goole, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
batman took his shirt off A LOT in the '70s. but then it was a sexier decade.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
probably Neal Adams most famous moment:http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/06/gl76a.jpg
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ErCm57Gp-gM/TWe1i-F2eWI/AAAAAAAAGM8/1aIeYx5OsPs/s1600/Batman+Odyssey+1.jpg
― HOOBASTANK is my co-pilot (DJP), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link