tracy morgan - classic or dud?

maybe it was his penis

seems like this stuff was totally not in line with tracy jordan black-people-wear-jewellery material and totally in line with aggressive cathartic material that he's done for a long time. the reports from the show are all...

Rogers says before the rant, Morgan’s humor (specifically his comments about enjoying when women choke during oral sex) had proved too much for many audience members. But once Morgan launched into his anti-gay comments, more began to leave. Rogers said he stayed for the entire show. “I had to fight myself. I don’t really give in easily and I thought…if I stand up and leave, he wins. It shows him, ‘Hey, I got to you.’ He didn’t get to me. I wasn’t angry; I was just disappointed.I thought he was more intelligent than that,” he says.

you know...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQATFC4UA1g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvxByzdSRg0

I love Tracy- but this is sad as hell. It sounds more like an AA meeting than standup.
shermanhelmsleyIII 3 weeks ago

This is the saddest comedy I have ever witnessed.
jojolynne100 5 months ago

They weren't offended...it was just a dose of reality they weren't prepared for. You can't force 'em to laugh at other peoples misery.
mads888 1 year ago

That's pretty amazing for a standup routine.

yeah that is pretty next level.

HIS LEGG WUZ BLOWED OFF.... IN VIETNAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMM

i thought about that norm macdonald bit when this happened too. the difference is he did't say he'd stab his kid in the stomach.

huh? that norm clip is funny, not offensive

i guess i wanted to show that like the killing your gay son shit is fucked up but it makes sense in the context of the fucked up mean shit that he digs up onstage and it might be jarring and extra fucked up if you're a 30 rock fan that also digs safari planet.

it's like... there must be a lot of examples of people accidentally discovering redd foxx from corny sitcoms or like someone really loving sanford and son and buying a lawanda page album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4LJQY6WLxg

"And then I find out my son is a nerrrrd"
"I'm laughing already!
"...Its not a comedy"

it's like... there must be a lot of examples of people accidentally discovering redd foxx from corny sitcoms or like someone really loving sanford and son and buying a lawanda page album.

http://www.youtube.com/v/X4LJQY6WLxg&fs=1&hl=en

― dylannn, Sunday, June 12, 2011 4:22 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

well yeah, that happens all the time, almost every successful comic's standup is at least slightly more blue than the TV or film vehicle that makes them famous, Bob Saget being the most extreme example. but obv this controversy isn't solely about the fact that Tracy writes different kinds of jokes than the wacky zingers Tina Fey writes for him.

i know i know. just sayin, part of the problem was that he did it in front of an audience that had a lot of people in it expecting fun anecdotes about working with liz lemon. a standup comedian saying homophobic shit in a club isn't exactly tmz breaking news level stuff otherwise. but of course i really wish it was just a guy upset about macaulay culkin gagging on dicks jokes, rather than a line about stabbing his gay son.

will be accepted as sincere by his gay and lesbian co-workers

kind of dismisses the idea that 30 Rock talent/staff who are straight should also respond to this in a principled way, does it not?

that's the way some shrill blog will decide to interpret it to be most offended by fey, sure

Not offended, just think it's a pretty weak statement.

it builds in all these structures that re-insist that he fucked up in so many ways, what would like for her to have said exactly

‎
EthanSuplee‎: RT @WhoisGregGarcia: I hope one of my sons doesn't turn out to be Tracy Morgan. I don't think I could handle the shame.

Heard some absolutely appalling reporting about this on local radio this morning. The basic facts were correct, but really gave the whole thing a different focus. They reported that Morgan had gone on an "anti-gay rant" (okay, fair enough) where he talked about "beating his son if he came home gay" (uh, come on guys, I think it was a bit more than that). But worse was when they said "30 Rock creator Tina Fey quickly issued a statement in support of Morgan" (uh, really, I don't think she was exactly supporting him.

That bit about his handicapped uncle is amazing

Really that whole set is amazing

i've never seen tracy morgan's stand-up before now and i had no idea he delivered his jokes in the voice of a 60-year-old transvestite

Fey's statement is hard to find fault with AND funnier than i usu find her

^ agreed

this whole thing just makes me want to go OH LOOOOOAAAAAAARD

His standup delivery is chopped-and-screwed in a fantastic way.

woah Hoos, I didn't know you were Tracy's grandmother

Tracy Morgan Comes Out For Gay Marriage, Says He'd Love His Son If He Were Gay

Louis CK weighs in:

Well I've said a lot of things that were worse than what he said. I have my things that make it OK for people when I say them. I have my irony and different levels that I'm working at, so that makes it OK for people around me, for people that come to my shows. And people heard this Tracy shit mostly third-hand. He didn't stand on a public stage and say this stuff. He didn't make these announcements: "Here, America, are my views." Where you say something makes a huge difference about what you say and what it means and what you let yourself say.
There's a lot of times when I let myself channel bad ideas as a way to do comedy. I think it's something that's a healthy thing to do, honestly. And I think the person who really fucked people up and hurt people with Tracy's words was whoever took it out of that Nashville club and put it on the national stage—whoever called Huffington Post or whoever started this shit, and said, "Guess what Tracy Morgan said," and announced it to the rest of the world. He wasn't trying to say it to the rest of the world. So when I read stuff like, How are gay people going to feel when they read this? Well they didn't have to read it! They weren't part of that show. Maybe there were gay people there who were laughing. You don't fucking know. Nobody gets to say that they represent anybody and they're offended on behalf of the whole world.
You can see this shit really bothers me. I didn't carefully inspect what he said. I heard some of it, and it made me laugh. I didn't get the context, but I have to defend it, because if I was in his role, if I was in his situation, which I might be someday—which I already am for having said something on his behalf—I would want someone to step forward and say something. This is a freedom that I live off of. I think, whatever, if Tracy made a mistake, he certainly didn't deserve all of this. And I don't know him well, but he's a good guy. So I'm using that judgment, of just, hey, I met him and he's a good guy. And I get a sense of him as a father, and there's no way he would stab his kid.
It's a dumb thing to take at face value. You'd have to be a moron. And if you do, you are not allowed to laugh at any more jokes. You are not allowed to laugh at any jokes that have any violence or negative feelings attached to them, ironically or otherwise. I think there's a lot of hypocrisy in that. If anybody thinks that what he said is true and there's no comedy in it, don't come to my shows. I've said to many audiences that I think you shouldn't rape someone unless you have a good reason, like you want to fuck them and they won't let you. That's worse than what he said! And I didn't wink and say, just kidding. I just said it.

louis ck NOTM

Maybe there were gay people there who were laughing. You don't fucking know.

no, I'm pretty sure there weren't

that said, Morgan's remarks at that HuffPo link are rad, I think he's got his heart in the right place wherever it was before & for whatever reason - I don't think "he's only doing this to save his career," which people sometimes say when somebody does an about-face, is actually a criticism; I don't give a shit what people's motivation is for deciding to be cool, if somebody decides to be cool then that is good imo

i see where he's coming from but louis is.... offtm

louis' bit is funny because he deftly leads you down this weird road to seeing rape as a rational thing to do, which is unsettling and freaky and hilarious - and it ultimately POINTS UP JUST HOW FUCKED UP RAPE IS. and guess what, no one has complained about it. huh. if tracy morgan was trying to do the same thing it didn't work, and you just really need to be sure what you're doing works when you play with those subjects

i mean, i haven't been following this cause i don't really give a shit, but has tracy morgan said like, hey, that was meant to be an insight into the mind of an asshole rather than my own views or whatever?

I don't think those were his views. I think he was just doing a sort of stream of consciousness shock comedy thing, and it's easy to lose your way when you are just trying to think of the most shocking thing you can think of for laughs.

you could use the same sentence w/r/t michael richards tho?

The offensive part wasn't even the jokes that Michael Richards was making though. It was his reaction to the guy who cried foul in the audience.

I mean, it was already somewhat offensive, sure, but then he went off the rails.

yeah but it was supposed to be funny in a zing-y responding-to-heckler way

Michael Richards verbally attacked members of the audience using racist language. totally different.

like, Tracy Morgan was not threatening to stab gay audience members, or commenting on how 50 years ago it would have been perfectly acceptable for him to stab them for being gay.

so what if the n-word and lynching jokes were part of his act instead? that'd really be better?

depends what the jokes are tbh

(and no I am not going to write this hypothetical material for Michael Richards so don't even ask)

Feel like this should be in here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqcw77FckOQ

have really never found him funny

Curious what Louis CK thinks Tracy Morgan is suffering here. Morgan said some gross unfunny shit on a public stage (not sure why CK thinks a stage at louisville club isn't public), a guy told everyone that 30 rock's captain wacky was pulling this shit for dollars, everyone went "oh man, not captain wacky, that sucks, I dunno if I like him anymore." To which Captain Wacky didn't say "y'all missed some context, let me educate you" he apologized and went into hardcore damage control. Does CK think people shouldn't point out stuff they think is bullshit? Should America be like "woah, blog poster, that stand-up routine is none of our business, we didn't pay to see it?" I wish CK would find someone specific to disagree with cuz it sounds like he's spitting at strawmen here.

Maybe there's some magic wall where if you're a stand-up you get to vent and lash out and say dumb shit but if you're in the audience you're just supposed to keep quiet and support their commercial endeavors

That's kind of stand-up since Lenny Bruce or the Earl of Rochester, though, no?

so what?

Feel like this should be in here:

got fairly irritated with this schtick 1:30 in and quit watching tbh. I hate the whole "faggot" doesn't mean "gay"! just reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxOR3x8FBQ

(ie, an idiot professing an ignorance of how language works in order to protect himself)