stuff that should have already happened
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
Mordy, maybe I made that up/transplanted it from another book??? I'm not finding references to it online now and I haven't read Bk 1 in a long time, but I thought that at some point Drogo had to um well that it had to be in public under the stars, in the manner of the horses that are the Dothraki lifesblood. It DID happen, didn't it??
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
he's whipped. that's all they're saying. xposts
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
jeez, I thought ppl were antsy about spoilers on the Doctor Who thread
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
we wouldn't build so many of our stories around ruthless rulers if we didn't find something fundamentally exciting about them.
I actually stopped reading the books because there wasn't anyone in them that I really found admirable, except maybe Arya. (I don't know why I don't find the Night's Watch compelling, but I don't.) Having actual human beings in the roles makes it easier.
― lukas, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
If I hadn't read the books I don't know that I would like people to be correcting me, or telling me what actually happened, every time I tried to discuss the show. More fun to discuss when everyone has the same data.
― rockapads, Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
So yeah I guess we need two threads for this now? One for those who've read the books and one for those who haven't?
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
not having read the books tho, i have no problem being brought up to speed on things the series might have omitted.xpost
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
my comment was based entirely on what was presented on the show
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
I mean seriously, what has this board come to if I can't use several cryptic posts to set up a "magic punani" joke
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
Going back to the show ... did anyone else hate the scene with Jon Snow and the undead wight? Didn't work for me.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
well it didn't bother me...
xpost
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
I thought it was OK. What didn't you like about it?
― rockapads, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
Laurel - I'm re-reading them now and the Dany & Drogo thing your thinking of is when she decides to ride him instead of being mounted. She takes him out to some soft moss in the middle of camp and they go at it.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't like how the wight looked and moved at all. It felt like a z-budget horror scene. Like something out of a Mark Borchardt production.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
had no problem with the zombie scene
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
lol. just wanted to make sure you wasn't giving the game away.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
the wight being such a fat football hooligan made it less scary
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
Hm, thanks. I thought that scene was the analog to/sign of her adaptation to her status in contrast to an earlier scene in which he was um the agressor and it was against her will. Must have confused it w another book in the intervening years, tho.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
daeny was clearly raped on the evening of her wedding, right? is that what you're talking about? didn't seem to happen in front of anybody though, at least not on the show.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
That might have been part of the problem. He certainly didn't look like a ranger. Was he supposed to be?
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, June 9, 2011 4:47 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
in the books, during the scene where danaerys introduces drogo to non-doggystyle sex, she drags him out into the middle of the camp. its a power display on the part of danaerys, and not rape (unless were talking a complicated definition of rape)
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
the wedding night sex, in the books, isnt rape either--he like... strokes her? all over? and then (barf) "slips a finger inside her" or something, and she is hrm "very wet" or something
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
i think its "to HBO's credit" that they have drogo rape her rather than pretend that he was able to seduce her somehow and that it makes it okay
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
It is what you think, laurel. It is the first time she asserts herself and takes command of her situation. Unlike other Dothraki wives, she is not a mare; she has power and will change things.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry - couldn't see xposts on the phone.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
No no there must have been this other book that we published that I picked up which also had a horse tribe of warlike people and their king took a wife from another society and their marriage had to be consummated out in the open in "horse" fashion in front of his entire assembled army or w/e and I must have conflated the two. I heartily apologize for this whole digression!!!!!
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
the wedding night sex, in the books, isnt rape either--he like... strokes her? all over? and then (barf)...
yes, barf. in the TV show, though the scene cut early on, it seemed non-consensual. she was weeping, forced down (iirc?), etc.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
not barf at sex or even at the idea that she might have been attracted to drogo, but barf at lousy descriptions of sex in pulp novels
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
no
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
no?
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
new
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/LladroYunie/OH%20NO%20THEY%20DIDNT/ew-3c.gif?t=1242084465
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
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― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
ned stark is gonna be furious when khal drogo brings the rest of alien ant farm to his iron maiden revival gig
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
khal drogo's playing conan in shitty-looking new conan movie
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
If the fight scene in this episode is any indication, I may have to watch the Conan film.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
Not afraid of being typecast then
― Number None, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
better to get stuck playing one kind of character than risk not playing any
― rockapads, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, casting OTM, can't imagine anyone better-suited to the part. maybe it'll be better than the previews...
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah fair play to him. If i had his brooding good looks and washboard abs i'm sure i'd be doing the same
― Number None, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
here's a pretty good (spoiler-free) article that argues that changes to catelyn and dany's character arcs have made them less interesting:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/2011/05/10/game-of-thrones-feminism/
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
She took his hand and moved it down [CENSORED CENSORED NAUGHTY BUSINESS CENSORED]. “Yes,” she whispered as she put [CENSORED CENSORED GEORGE SHE'S THIRTEEN WHAT THE HELL CENSORED CENSORED].
...
The damsel in distress has been a stock character in melodrama for as long as melodrama has been around. So has the long-suffering wife who pines for her husband while he’s off grimly doing what needs to be done in the public sphere. There are elements of these stock characters in Daenerys Targaryen and Catelyn Stark. (Dany even took a couple of levels in the “white woman sexually menaced by a swarthy ethnic type” prestige class.) But in the books, this is not all there is to them, not even the main part of what there is to them, and in the series, at least in the pilot episode, it’s all that they are. Why this flattening? Well, both of these stock characters are women who have been damaged by a patriarchal system. This is an aspect of Cat and Dany’s stories, so that’s fine. But in the book, they are also a part of the same system that is grinding them down. They’ve got a role to play in that system, and each of them accepts, excels at, and even to a degree relishes that role. And this is too much complexity for a TV show to stomach, even an aitch-bee-oh TV show. It’s like the writers are afraid that if Daenerys enjoys the sex, the audience will forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing. Or perhaps they’re afraid that the audience will think the writers have forgotten it. Whatever the motivation, the televised version of these characters is sadly diminished.
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
even an aitch-bee-oh TV show
Does HBO even trademark their network name to some crazy extent? Or is this just something that belongs in the IA thread? I hate when people do this for no other reason than to be "clever" or "funny".
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, like scare quotes
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, that was unnecessarily catty. but i did like the article (sort of) and didn't object to the silly spelling
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
um, not really equal imho. overuse of scare quotes is, but I think that was a pretty valid use of them.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link