2008 Primaries Thread

xp: Giuliani paid them

CNNs crack team of investigative journalists dig up stuff that's been on the internet for years! way to go guys!

Drew Westen asks if Bush gave Hillary New Hampshire - http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=c9dee2e5-ab83-47c9-8d1c-8163177eb1d4

and now, some Roseanne v Oprahma fun!

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/01/rosanne-barrs-blog-disappears-after-she.html

Oprah, you play the race card and the gender card too.

You are a closeted republican and chose Barak Obama because you do not like other women who actually stand for something to working American Women besides glamour, angels, hollywood and dieting.

When Americans find out that Obama backs right wing corporate racist anti worker bullshit, they will not vote for him, and the victory will go to the most racist right wing republican ever.... Mccain, who is a fascist!

lolz. Barr is completely nuts btw (altho she made way more interesting TV viewing than Oprah)

jamie lee curtis @ huffpo on hillary almost as insipid as barr

let me guess -- pro?

Why is a woman's natural emotionality, as well as incredible sense and judgment and compassion and strength, a liability. None of you would be here were it not for a woman's strength -- you men try giving birth, something Mrs. Clinton has done. Most of all, don't we really want a president with a heart, a big, open, warm, loving, mother's heart to lead us out of this bleak despair, into the light of hope and peace.

she is so dismally off the mark i wish i could embed the foghorn sound here

holding to her argument, my mom would make the best president because she's given birth 7 times

I second that "emotionality"

(Jamie Lee might not be writing this if her intersexed status had been resolved differently)

wau

Drew Westen asks if Bush gave Hillary New Hampshire

sooo sick of NH conspiracy theory b.s. yes any election w/ a surprising outcome MUST HAVE BEEN STOLED OMG

It was refurbished.

oh I kinda misread his last paragraph

but still, did anyone here even know Bush made a speech that day

anne rice endorses hillary, struggles for relevance

God, I think I would start asking these people if they could please be quiet about the endorsements.

"If you have a social need, you're with Hillary. If you want Obama to be your imaginary hip black friend and you're young and you have no social needs, then he's cool."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2238148,00.html

and it's only gonna get nicer from this point forward.

anyone have any insight as to why CNN "unearthed" those ugly Ron Paul newsletters and asked him about them in the last couple days (as opposed to, say, almost a year ago when we were all discussing them?)

The New Republic just went back and got paper copies of even more damaging shit than what was previously known. Instead of two or three newsletters incidents, there's 20 years of racist/anti-Semitic/militia-nut goodness.

Ron Paul devolution.

for a second I thought that said the fr33 r3publ1c

Ron Paul may be a racist nut, but he does say some surprisingly reasonable things at times. Like this morning I heard him on the radio talking about how ludicrous the notion of a US Navy destroyer being threatened by a few Iranian speedboats is.

yeah, his turn on russert was hilarious!! competing forms of nutcasery + reasonableness, one alternating after the other.

uhhh - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

how ludicrous the notion of a US Navy destroyer being threatened by a few Iranian speedboats is.

uh USS Cole bombing yo

damn x-post

like, the earth isn't really threatened by global warming, just a few people on it

to at least be fair, a ship docked in a friendly port and a patrol off the coast of iran are slightly different situations. plus i doubt as "speedboats" a zodiac with a suicide bomb on it and a small, fast iranian vessel have much in common.

i mean, paul lives in a universe where most people think an IRGC flotilla is gonna speed up the charleston tomorrow if we don't kill everyone west of the river jordan

"If you have a social need, you're with Hillary. If you want Obama to be your imaginary hip black friend and you're young and you have no social needs, then he's cool."

This is the kind of talk that's going to shift the debate back to grounds on which Obama can win. It will be amazing if the tsunami of social forces that contributed to HRC's win in N.H. are repeated (but with respect to race, not gender), by her, to hand Obama the nomination.

Having said that, there's a ton of interesting stuff in that Guardian article that quote comes from (linked above).

In fact, HRC and her advisors have been making a lot of mistakes in the past few days when it comes to comments about race.

speaking of folx struggling for relevance:

"Oprah, you play the race card and the gender card too. You are a closeted Republican and chose Barak Obama because you do not like other women who actually stand for something to working American Women besides glamour, angels, hollywood and dieting! When Americans find out that Obama backs right wing corporate racist anti worker bullshit, they will not vote for him, and the victory will go to the most racist right wing republican ever.... Mccain, who is a fascist!" - Roseanne Barr.

from sullivans dish, but the link he had dint work. whatsup roseanne, where you bin?

check Dr. Morbius' link, above

i really do try to stay current and read this thread, der.

Encounters with Iranian patrols in that part of the gulf are a common occurrence, and it seems unlikely that an official Iranian patrol-boat would be sent on a suicide mission against a US ship - unless maybe it was Al Qaeda pretending to be an Iranian patrol? You can never be too careful, I guess.

what is "Al Qaeda" now? how hard would it be for a coupla rev guard guys to do something on their own?

there was obviously a lot of confusion about what was going on during that confrontation... even so, the point stands that if Paul's contention was that a small boat can't hurt a US Navy warship, he's dangerously wrong.

shakey for president!

shakey mo otm

in general Paul's reasonable statements = broken clock being right twice a day

oh man the roseanne blog is like marissa-level crazy

Changing the Vibration

An energy vampire changes the "vibration" in a group. They know how to do that but they don't know why they do it. They do not know how to run the energy through themselves and discharge or transform it. They hoard it and are all mentally ill as a result.

Posted at 11:14 AM - Permalink

comedy gold

... at the top is nothing but ROT, (fascists like to have sex with little boys)..the log cabin republicans (closeted gays), brought the most bigoted anti-gay ideas to the masses...Log cabin republicans are in charge of the republican party and have been since Reagan. They also helm the catholic church and the evangelical movement. Ralph Reed is so far into the closet he can't see daylight for the red dress he has pulled over his head. Karl Rove is a gay man too, from Salt Lake City Utah. He is Bush's brain...think about it, about the endless sneer they all have..."What a laugh we will have when we meet up with Roy Cohn and J. Edgar Hoover in our special place reserved for us in Hell! Not just anyone can get into that club!"

Posted at 7:30 PM - Permalink

when did Roseanne go bonkers?

she's always been like this

she has in lucid moments admitted she's nuts for years.

the log cabin republicans (closeted gays)

^^ that's the kind of crazy i can roll with

I imagine she's been confused ever since her parents tried to raise her as both a Jew AND a Mormon lolz

(also lol at celeb HRC supporter calling anyone else "corporate anti-worker")