2008 Primaries Thread

Anyway - on reflection, I think that Obama probably is a bit more dovish on the whole than Hillary is. Even though I suspect that he might have voted for the Iraq resolution in 2002 if he had been a US Senator, I also am pretty certain that even if Hillary had just been a state senator from New York in 2002, she still wouldn't have made an anti-war speech like Obama made.

clinton's NV chair is harry reid's nephew?

As with his endorsement of Lieberman in '06, I don't care that Obama's "I don't know how I would have voted" line was a save-a-Kerry comment.

Still, Bill Clinton taking someone to task for opportunistic rewriting of their history = sickmaking

the hilary camp keeps using that tact

it's TACK, not TACT

THANK YOU

tack 1 (tk)
n.
...
4.
a. A course of action meant to minimize opposition to the attainment of a goal.
b. An approach, especially one of a series of changing approaches.

tact (tkt)
n.
1. Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending.
2. Archaic The sense of touch.

nothing to do with yesterdays events, but a friend of mine just threw this up on his blog and i figured this was as good a place as any to share:
Mike Huckabee congratulates Canadians

a. A course of action meant to minimize opposition to the attainment of a goal.
b. An approach, especially one of a series of changing approaches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tack_(sailing)

I'll just pick out the highlights, but in the course of a single column Rove manages to flag Obama's "trash talking", "his days playing pickup basketball at Harvard", and the alleged fact that "he is often lazy."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/063354.php

wow

kerry endorsing obama == edwards is toast?

Kerry is poison. Edwards is safe!

what slot will Bush fill in the Hillary admin? ;-D

I think that Obama probably is a bit more dovish on the whole than Hillary is.

He is. For additional evidence, look at their foreign policy advisors. Democrats who supported the Iraq War and who generally have a more hawkish view of the use of U.S. military power dot HRC's advisory team. Democrats who opposed the Iraq War and who generally have a more tempered view of the use of U.S. military power dot Obama's advisory team. I linked to some of the articles making this point on the old thread.

the way i said it made the link sound tenuous, but dick durbin has been a huge obama advocate - he was going door to door talking to people in NH for him - and he was one of the senates 23 senators voting against it

they're also from the same state

So's Hillary.

durbin is actually a representative here

durbin started the "draft ('draft') obama" movement

but ok

my man George Miller has come out for O, considered a signifier of where Pelosi's sympathies lie

Brand Hillary - http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4114520&page=1

i just misread the Edmund Hillary RIP thread title. hmnn...

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As with his endorsement of Lieberman in '06...

Apparently Ned Lamont disagrees with your assessment...

rove is a despicable human being, but.. are "trash talking" and "playing pickup basketball" really offensive racial code?

he's saying that O, like Harold Ford before him, isn't really like that nice, clean-living JC Watts. he's calling him a Sprewell, rather than a Grant Hill (who's endorsed O, btw, even tho his mom once roomed with C). the people who like that sort of thing can come up with the bad words on their own, just like the people who get off on his calling O "prissy." but I dunno, maybe we should give karl rove the benefit of the doubt, you know?

rove is a despicable human being, but.. are "trash talking" and "playing pickup basketball" really offensive racial code?

Yes, it is.

dont forget "lazy"

I'm really not getting it. Trash talking isn't serious, it's part of the game. Trying and failing to understand why anyone would be like "He's competitive at sports..? Oh hell, I'm not voting for THAT guy." This is America dude.

The "lazy" part is shitty (the RNC's done press releases saying that before) but I'm just saying, the stuff about basketball seems like kind of a stretch

"You're callin' ME lazy? Let me get back to ya after some of this here coffee..."

http://www.baldiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/fred-thompson.jpg

http://www.baldiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/fred-thompson.jpg

I'm really not getting it.

Thompson's gonna endorse McCain tomorrow, maybe?

wow @ daria.

woe be to obama if he takes the bait (any part of this campaign season becomes an all-out 'referendum' on race and/or gender = goodbye dems; hence, goodbye dems) but still wow. this is what i was alluding to when I said talk radio could easily play saboteur but post-imus (lol) i figured it would have to be instigated by someone with nothing to lose, enter one rove.

Some have argued that Rove has a legacy to protect and a bet on which candidate will best protect it - http://intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com/2007/08/karl-roveclinton-gambit.html

But what if it's more than a bet? What if, say, Bill made a non-aggression pact with HW - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/18/bill-clinton-george-hw-bush-will-help-president-hillary/

More on Miller - http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/10/193650/880/621/434673

wtf bill

anyone watching the GOP debate? NROWorld's gloating that Big Fred's doin' great.

NROWorld being addicted to one-liners as they are, no wonder they think that.

a thompson revival would be an excellent subplot to this already rich campaign season

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/7684/thumbs/r-GOP-DEBATE-SC-large.jpg

frank lutz's focus group luvs thompson

btw frank lutz's fox news focus groups are the nadir of human civilization

^^^^ This.

McCain (to audience about Huck):

"FUCKWIT!"

Gah. I pray Huckabee crushes McCain like a grape in South Carolina.

LOLZ:

...Was Thompson's performance tonight a one-off? The old lion finally, overawingly—but, alas, temporarily—roused? Will he settle back into slumber tomorrow? And just what was he up to? Clawing Huckabee out of sheer annoyance? Or establishing himself as king of the jungle? And if the latter, why not a paw or two in the direction of McCain?

uh yah why ever could that be?

lol @ Furry Fred Thompson

of course making a deal with BushCo would be totally out-of-character for the Clintons this go-round - http://www.newsweek.com/id/69545 (and http://www.slate.com/id/2177540/nav/fix/#burklecoup)

"President Clinton believes in redemption and moving forward," says spokeswoman Jennifer Hanley.

amazingly, so does BushCo! - http://www.newsinkling.org/cia-leak-investigation/waxman-white-house-is-blocking-fitzgeralds-cooperation-in-plame.html

and, oh look, the Clintons' book agent got Rove a book deal with Carville's wife - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/orl-a2fill2207dec22,0,2196213.story. Who, as it happens, was a member of the White House Iraq Group, and is reported to have testified before the Plame grand jury.

hey, who do you think might be attorney general in a Clinton administration? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/nyregion/11cuomo.html?ref=us

nice job linking to mickey kaus homie