Sopranos - Season 2

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Shakey, that site we both bought the complete box from is out of business now. I'm glad we got while the getting was good...

WmC, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link

there's a BIZARRE CGI shot in one of the S2 episodes... when the garbage gets dumped on the deli owner's parking lot and he's calling to complain about it and the garbage is in the foreground and it's clearly a static plate that's been pasted in... so weird

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

the livia cgi shit was the low point of this show

? where does this happen

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

the episode when she dies, she has a scene with tony... nancy marchand died suddenly so they didn't get a chance to film anything with her.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link

huh - haven't gotten there yet. Don't remember it jumping out at me before. Oddly I DO remember that garbage thing you mention, that was weird.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link

like, real garbage is so hard to come by, you know?

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:55 (fifteen years ago) link

obviously the shot was fucked for some reason or they were unhappy with it so it was a last-minute fix, i'm sure. totally weird tho.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't remember the shot, but I remember rewinding the Livia scene once I saw her haircut change about eight times.

өөө (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link

don't remember the trash shot.

өөө (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link

don't remember pleasant plains rewinding the livia scene.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link

someone needs to pay more attention

Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I bet I pissed off a lot of Sopranos viewers when I did that.

өөө (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link

the livia cgi might have bothered me less if the dialogue didn't feel like it was just scraps from previous episodes and the conversation between tony and livia in that episode didn't come across like him talking to a computer program. would have worked better as a dream sequence.

omar little, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link

do not envy david chase in that position tho. also had to scrub his whole season arc apparently.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

nancy marchand kinda got a raw deal too.

өөө (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, what?

өөө (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

where is Cheers episode w/her as Frasier's mom

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link

oh here it is

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha. Martin Crane's Tony's step-dad.

өөө (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link

haaaaa!

s1ocki, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

fwiw I didn't really notice the CGI'd Livia scenes and probably wouldn't have registered them at all except for the comment on this thread about the changing hairstyles. With a character as semi-senile and prone to repetition as Livia, having a bunch of lines cut in from other scenes was not all that distracting. (How many times does she say "I wish the lord would take me now" or "I gave my life to my children on a silver platter" etc.)

Also these scenes were in Season 3, not season 2... maybe I should revive that thread...

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 15 December 2008 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link

already started a new one!

and it was one season, in season 3--not a lot. and it's REALLY obvious. serious uncanny valley.

s1ocki, Monday, 15 December 2008 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link

not season 2 but just rewatched the series finale and when aj pretentiously mispronounces yates its so sad - i keep thinking abt it

ice cr?m, Saturday, 20 December 2008 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link

would love a listing of every single song used in the entire run, so many perfect moments

http://www.sopranomusicguide.com/ This site is real comprehensive, probably 97% of the songs used are listed.

his cold, dead eyes

"Don't gimme your fucking Manson lamps." Jesus, what an awesome line.

Jouster, Saturday, 20 December 2008 08:38 (fifteen years ago) link

S3 pretty much sucked. I actually stopped watching the show about halfway through season 3 and didn't pick it back up again for over a year. Livia CGI, the sudden introduction of Ralphie (terrible character all the way through imo), and being subjected that pointless and brutal rape scene, didn't make up for how great an episode Pine Barrens was.

I'd been watching every episode with my friend/roommate at the time, and he quit watching after the rape episode and never really got back into the show again. I'm glad I gave it another shot, because seasons 4 & 5 were pretty fucking great.

fwiw (rockapads), Saturday, 20 December 2008 09:06 (fifteen years ago) link

"Don't gimme your fucking Manson lamps." Jesus, what an awesome line.

oh man, thanks for reminding me of this.

өөө (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 20 December 2008 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link

haha totally.

s1ocki, Saturday, 20 December 2008 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Matthew Bevilaqua: NOT GUILTY

John Harris buying a toaster (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 23 December 2008 02:07 (fifteen years ago) link

the phrase "manson lamps" has become so deeply entrenched in me and my wife's vocabularies that I didn't even remember it being from this show until we recently re-watched that episode

There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 23 December 2008 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link

My favourite Sopranos coinage: coozehound.

chap, Tuesday, 23 December 2008 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I think there's an understandable dropoff in season 3 due to Nancy Marchand's death, but the high points of the series are pretty high. Don't understand the complaints about the "Employee of the Month" episode (would you guys prefer a prosaic rape scene to a horrific one?) especially in that that is really a huge, key episode for Melfi as a character - the final shot, where she explicitly refuses Tony, is a major moment, and really well done. The rape incident spotlights all of the relatively arbitrary moral boundaries that are examined over the course of the series, especially between the mob-affiliated and the non-mob-affliated, and that stuff is crucial. I don't think the rape was badly handled or exploitative at all, it is perfectly in tune with the series' overarching themes of doing what is right vs. doing what is easy vs. doing what your inner psychopath tells you...

There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 23 December 2008 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

ya any time the sopranos tried to be witty about showbiz it just failed completely... always makes me cringe

― s1ocki, Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:51 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark

the episode in this season with jon favreau and the spaced out producer or whatever - every scene is cringe inducing

swag serf (J0rdan S.), Friday, 19 June 2009 08:01 (fourteen years ago) link

is that the one with alicia witt? daaaamn.

idk, i like some of the showbiz stuff. that one daniel baldwin/tony moment in the last series makes the whole cleaver plot worthwhile imo

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 19 June 2009 08:03 (fourteen years ago) link

aj as existentialist is about as unconvincing as if they has turned him into a transsexual

swag serf (J0rdan S.), Friday, 19 June 2009 08:15 (fourteen years ago) link

so much Glenlivet in this show.

wilter, Friday, 19 June 2009 08:20 (fourteen years ago) link

tony's mom riding that thing down the stairs is my favorite shit ever

whiney g. gordon liddy (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 June 2009 07:25 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe this comes back to haunt him but was a bit put off by how easy tony skated on the airline tickets thing - i mean i know he has a great lawyer and whatever but it's great that they balance out tony's skill as a boss with the fact that like anyone else he has to get lucky once in a while just to stay alive and this felt too glossed over for my taste.

i agree with everyone upthread talking about how great carmella became in this season - i loved when she would show her "married to a mob boss" side like when she snapped at janice after meadow was busted having the party at livia's house also the way they ended her thing with the contractor by having her hunt him down just to thank him. the only thing is when she got wooed by the coat - i think in real life that would've made the situation worse but it's a small nitpick. just in general falco was amazing - her stares at the contractor, when she runs away during richie and janice's wedding toast.

my two cents on junior is that he was obv never good enough to be the boss - this is pure speculation on my part but if they chose jackie over junior even tho junior was tony's dad's brother, that must say something - but he was high up enough on the food chain to live well, he just decided not to live like tony. i guess he was still making side deals with richie to move coke and whatever but when his lawyer tells him that it will cost at least 400k to have people review the fbi wiretaps on him he's kind of like "ah fuck it"

also the dream sequences in this are amazing - i think having tony finally come to the decision about pussy in a dream was brilliant - as someone who runs from the facts of life (me!) will tell you, they eventually catch up to you in your sleep.

the best thing that happened this season was dropping the storyline of christopher the actor/screenwriter whatever whatever - shit was mad boring

whiney g. gordon liddy (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 June 2009 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Is the ep where Tony totally fucks over the T-1000 in this series? That one's great.

chap, Monday, 22 June 2009 11:02 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe this comes back to haunt him but was a bit put off by how easy tony skated on the airline tickets thing - i mean i know he has a great lawyer and whatever but it's great that they balance out tony's skill as a boss with the fact that like anyone else he has to get lucky once in a while just to stay alive and this felt too glossed over for my taste.

they had to scrap the airline tickets plot when Livia died - they had originally had a whole story arc mapped out about it but it hinged on Livia testifying against Tony

Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 June 2009 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

thus it makes sense that Livia dying would blow the FBI's case as well (no witnesses)

Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 June 2009 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

thank u shakes

whiney g. gordon liddy (J0rdan S.), Monday, 22 June 2009 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Livia's death also explains some of the weird tones/stories in Season 3, they had to really scramble to re-write the entire season and come up with a different direction.

Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 June 2009 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link

i really liked the alicia witt episode

combination pizza hut and shanty town (Lamp), Monday, 22 June 2009 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Great season...I really think Season 3 was the last "very good" Sopranos season before it veered way off into soap opera territory in Seasons 4 and 5 (which despite some saying it was a return to form, I thought was overrated). Season 6, well I never finished as the first half alternated betwen dull and ridiculous.

III IV V (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Monday, 22 June 2009 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

"Home Movies" season 6 premiere is one of the best episodes in the series

Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 June 2009 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

daaaaaaaaaaaaamn jamie-lynn was fiiiiiiine this season

LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

ya any time the sopranos tried to be witty about showbiz it just failed completely... always makes me cringe

― s1ocki, Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:51 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark

"Hey Marty - Kundun, I liked it!" is hilarious, one of my favorite lines from the show

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Monday, 7 March 2011 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

just finished s2, surprised myself by how much i was getting into this season by the end after thinking it started off kinda weak (finale was kind of a microcosm of this - i thought it was gonna be a throwaway finale a la buffy but then it really kicked into gear at the end there). i sort of hated richie aprile and expecially janice but can admit that the guy who played richie did a hell of a job. dude was just a major prick and i never understood why tony put up with him for so long.

parts of this season did seem pretty rushed though and there were some throwaway scenes - like did the italy story really require an entire episode? what became of that, furio joined the crew, beat up that asian lady, and... AJ goes through a lolexistential crisis and then...well we don't know, they never revisit that (it does seem to rub off on tony a bit tho). chris gets shot, almost dies...and then he's not in the next episode at all, only mentioned once, and is out of the hospital the following ep, and now he's about to be made. cool?

my biggest gripe was with the tony/dr. melfi relationship. she was such a highlight of season 1 and then was seriously underused this season. i know they tried to show her 'personal' life a little more, with the alcoholism and general sadness of her existence, but none of that really interested me for whatever reason. her relationship with tony was one of the best parts of the show and it seemed like every episode wasted 5-10 minutes with them sitting in her office staring at each other; each visit was the same. like livia this season, she seemed like more of a plot device than an actual character.

all that said i really just love tony and carmela and christopher and pauly/sil so much i can't help myself. i just wish the plotting were a bit tighter and the whole thing had a bit more, idk, meaning. lol

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 July 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

if anyone replies remember i've only seen through season 2

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 22 July 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link

manson lamps

Hungry4Ass, Sunday, 22 July 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link


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