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x-post - I didn't sleep with a priest!!! Wait - is that what it sounded like?!

as an ex-Catholic I am going w/my initial misreading, that you totally slept with a priest

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

yer mum is awesome, gbx.

Nguyễn Bích U Phúc (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link

everyone loves a jesuit

― ENBB, Wednesday, March 16, 2011 2:50 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark

it's true!

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I would like that on a t shirt. Would wear.

ENBB, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link

the main church in my present parish is pretty social-justice-y & one Sunday the priest whipped out his acoustic & sang "Sixteen Tons" after a homily blasting corporate treatment of workers...a folky interlude I endorse.

Euler, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Here's the church I used to attend. See those railroad tracks just to the west? I swear the priest had a deal with Union Pacific to route a train through and shake the cantilevers during the Communion.

Also, home to a guitar mass where a few bars of "Freebird" seem to sneak in every once in awhile.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I was sorta OK with the folk group when they'd bust out Morning has Broken cause, well, Cat Stevens. It's a heck of a lot better than On Eagles Wings which I hope I never have to hear again. Ever.

ENBB, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

she's a cool lady

i do think it's a little...interesting (but not surprising) that all the stuff she loves about catholicism ('liberation theology' aside) is the kinda thing that would anathema to a child of the 60s. she likes latin masses, lol hueg cathedrals, ceremony, ritual, etc. though i do, too, really: the hugeness of the institutional space that the catholic church provides (there's an entire CITY somewhere that's ~all about~ catholicism!) appeals to a childlike sense of wonder, tbh. like if you elide/ignore the creepiness of some of it, there's this whole massive world of LORE that appeals to the fantasy nerd in everyone, with heroic saints and ruins and crypts and missing artifacts and so on

the personal relationship w/god that protestants coined did away with all that....except that now, if you talk to like campus crusade for christ ppl you get the impression that they've been imbued with a feeling that whereas catholic legend was about ppl doing stuff hundreds of years ago, being Born Again means that you're a "spirit warrior" RIGHT NOW.

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I love On Eagles Wings it makes me cry :(

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

and "Here I Am," too

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

And He will raise you up on eagle's wings.

Joseph Beuys II Men (jaymc), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Bear you on the breath of dawn.

Joseph Beuys II Men (jaymc), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Make you to rise like the sun!

Joseph Beuys II Men (jaymc), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man I had totally forgotten about Here I am

wait - let's see

Here I am Lord
It is I Lord
something something something

OK, that's all I remember but I could hum the rest of the tune.

ENBB, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

you didn't just sleep with a priest, you turned the sumbitch

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

i have heard you callin in the night iirc etc

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I grew up in a Swedish church, so what chokes me up is the stuff from the proper Covenant Hymnal, which I suspect is much the same as the Lutheran one.

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm also a fan of "Be Not Afraid" and "Gather Us In."

Joseph Beuys II Men (jaymc), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

But I do love a good hymn-sing!

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

x-post - I don't remember those. Then again, it's been a long time.

ENBB, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

be not afraid, ave maria, like a shepherd, sing hosanna

Would prob still get a well-sung cd of these

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

anyway i suppose i should say right now that i'm still waiting for 'secular catholic' to pass into the vernacular (like 'secular jew'), and that i try to slip into conversation whenever possible.

dunno. always had the impression that quite a lot of catholics don't ~actually~ believe in the literalness of the christian myth (the church doesn't: hence the its eventual embrace of astronomy and evolution), nor in much of its doctrine, but since they like some of it they stick around because mass can be kind of comforting and priests can be nice to talk to. its nice to have someone to talk to.

whereas my (skewed) view of protestantism has always been "either you're in or you're out." ain't no such thing as half-way baptists.

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

i like hymns, too!

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

gbx otm

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

wish ireland would embrace 'catholicism as a way of life' method of teaching as opposed to 'here is a list of fairytale impossibilities believe or go to hell' at five yr olds

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link

lol otm

ENBB, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I always think of a funny bit from this chick-lit book that I think really surpassed chick-lit, at least for someone else from the same crazy religious background as the author/narrator, about how you can have been NOT-Catholic for all the years of your adult life but still be considered by yourself and everyone else to be essentially "Catholic."

go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

tho dunno where gbx is at with prods, they're p much the same as us except for being totally evil in the north obv.

O those northern proddies

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

oh yuck, bad memories of old church singers hamming it up on GLOOORY TO GOD IN THE HIIIIGHEEEEEST

brigitte beardo (donna rouge), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh stooooooooooooooop

ENBB, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

there was always the one old guy in my vicinity who sang REALLY loudly and like a half-step off

brigitte beardo (donna rouge), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I feel like there is ALWAYS that guy.

ENBB, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

he gets around!

i did like, when i finally learned how to read music, actually being able to follow along in the hymnals

brigitte beardo (donna rouge), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm also a fan of "Be Not Afraid"

oh man I cry like a child at "Be Not Afraid"

Be not afraid;
I go before you always.
Come, follow me,
and I will give you rest.

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

literally teared up typing it

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

feel like i've met plenty of ppl that, if asked their religion, would say "catholic, i guess....but i don't really believe in any of it." i know loads of jews that say that, too, but i've yet to meet a protestant that would say that. most of the ones that left their faith are like "i WAS ____, but i quit." except for lutherans, i guess. but i think that's just because all the lutherans i know are MNan and probably don't want to cause a fuss by going to the trouble of rejecting their faith

xp to laurel

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

my Episcopalian/Anglican relatives are very very similar to my Catholic family (more so than my Russian Orthodox relatives). makes sense, since Anglicans are only Protestant b/c Henry the Eighth couldn't keep it in his pants and wanted a divorce.

Nguyễn Bích U Phúc (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link

tho dunno where gbx is at with prods, they're p much the same as us except for being totally evil in the north obv.

O those northern proddies

― the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah see but they're anglicans and my mum was always like 'o those anglicans they're basically just catholics who can divorce and who stole all the good churches' >:[

xp basically

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link

the english have an unsatisfying half-assed solution to everything.

goole, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I enjoy and wallow in my Irish Catholic guilt, btw, seems much more user-friendly than Jewish guilt.

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

every hates the episcopalians but its just cause we have all the money *counts his money*

max, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Catholic Lite

ENBB, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link

more presbyterians than anglicans in ulster iirc

buzza, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link

you can't quit catholic, real catholics just look smug when you mention being atheist or w/e the same way thirtysomethings look amused at 16 yr old goths

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link

o man what the heck is a russian orthodox anyhow

always seemed like it had the potential to be the most fun kind of christianity if only because they had better hats and weirder rituals and insane beards.

xp

you can't quit catholic, real catholics just look smug when you mention being atheist or w/e the same way thirtysomethings look amused at 16 yr old goths

― the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:14 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

this is what i mean!!!!!!

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link

hahaha

I flat out tell people I'm Atheist but I do think what GBX said is true of a lot of ppl.

ENBB, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

o man what the heck is a russian orthodox anyhow

always seemed like it had the potential to be the most fun kind of christianity if only because they had better hats and weirder rituals and insane beards.

yeah, Orthodoxy is all that ... plus all the crazy icons and the occasional liturgy in a weird dead language (Old Church Slavonic) that no-one even pretends to understand. they also have some crazy mystical traditions (see the Old Believers, who are even MORE Orthodox than the regular Russian Orthodox). and the main holiday for them is Easter (which always made the most sense to me, since the entire POINT of Christianity is that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead ... NOT merely that He was born (the emphasis of Christmas)).

downsides: LONG liturgies entirely on yer feet (Orthodox churches don't have pews), sketchy views regarding church-state separation (at least in Russia) and lingering anti-Semitism.

Nguyễn Bích U Phúc (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I always think of a funny bit from this chick-lit book that I think really surpassed chick-lit, at least for someone else from the same crazy religious background as the author/narrator, about how you can have been NOT-Catholic for all the years of your adult life but still be considered by yourself and everyone else to be essentially "Catholic."

― go peddle your bullshit somewhere else sister (Laurel), Wednesday, March 16, 2011 4:08 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

what book

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link

iirc they have a pretty cool idea about how doctrine is decided. protestants are concerned with conscience and it's primacy, catholics are more concerned with the authority of the magisterium. the orthodox basically has a community standard, the church decides what's what in conversation with itself through history.

xp

goole, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link

no wonder they all went commie

max, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link


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