worst Kevin Smith movie

Then why does every single thread about him have to devolve into image posts about that? I mean, lets contain this one thread to shitting on his movies, can we?

He's like a soccer-dad Juggalo.

I don't hate Zack and Miri - beyond the gross-out stuff, it was more endearing than an average Apatow movie. (made the mistake of watching it with my girlfriend, who already had some questions about my female best friend, though).
Chasing Amy's gender politics didn't seem that gross when I was 15, probably would now. 15-year old me though "down on both knees getting filled out like an application" was hilarious.
J&SBSB was saved by Affleck and Damon.
Ditto Dogma.
Mallrats filmmaking incompetence is shocking.

I've seen

Clerks
Dogma
Zack and Miri
and parts of Chasing Amy

they all suffer from the same things, are bad for the same basic reasons

he dresses basically like i did when i was 13 & it was the 90s -- fat kid hiding dumpy figure in baggy hoodies & jeans. its weirdly comforting to know ppl still dress like that imo

in retrospect i wasnt even that fat but its the self consciousness that counts

i loved chasing amy when i was 13, ie. when i knew nothing about relationships but a lot about comics. i havent seen anything by this guy since dogma (or watched any of the other stuff since i was 15ish), but i cant front like his movies werent god-tier to me when i was 13-14. Cop-Out is clearly the worst of all possible worlds - directing someone else's hacky script, and it's a white/black cop buddy movie to boot. there's a funny story from the set of Cop-Out where he was trying to explain in a handwavy sort of way to his DP what kind of lens he wanted to use for a scene, but couldn't specify because he didnt know the names of his lenses, and a mortified Bruce Willis pulled him aside and told him he couldn't let people know that he didn't know his shit like that. Smith's widely resented in the industry, not just for being a tremendously unpleasant person but because he basically won the lottery with Clerks and spent the next 15 years not exerting the tiniest bit of effort to improve his craft.

Red State looks crappy to me, but it's got a nice cast.

"...and Chasing Amy is pretty horrible, especially considering how many people i knew who thought it was his 'good' movie at the time"

ditto. it's also kind of boring - maybe not for anyone accustomed to Kevin Smith's shtick though

clerks II & zack/miri are in the top 5 worst in theater movie experiences of my life

if you like more than two kevin smith movies you should stop watching movies altogether

i hope kevin smith himself chokes on a big mac, what an insufferable asshole

Cop Out is a perfectly adequate tribute to John Badham cop movies like The Hard Way or Stakeout... much better than Smith's usual garbage

if you like more than two kevin smith movies you should stop watching movies altogether

oh fuck off dude, like your taste is impeccable enough to offer this kind of judgement

When I judge his movies I subtract the dirty talk/actions that sometimes has a "wow" factor because it fails to wow me at all these days. I still judge a dirty joke just like any other joke though.

I think a lot of people enjoy the risky talk/actions a lot more than me

it's no wonder I don't care at all for Chasing Amy

oh fuck off dude, like your taste is impeccable enough to offer this kind of judgement

― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, January 17, 2011 3:35 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest

kevin smith is the worst! sorry \(o_O)/

http://www.baggystyleus.com/store/images/baggy_shorts/P8310017.jpg

He's a great talker, though, which is why I'd take any of his stand-up DVDs over any of his movies.

I think I hate Kevin Smith because the first thing I was made to watch of his was some "Jorts Live" DVD of him being self-important in front of college kids.

he's better than fuckin apatow at least

kevin smith is the worst! sorry \(o_O)/

So its cool that I wish death on you for being pretty much the worst too?

lol cool out, jon

he's better than fuckin apatow at least

― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 17, 2011 3:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

o man here we go

which movie would be worse? "zack & miri make a porno" or "kevin smith & jorts make a porno" -- there's nowhere to go but up right?

can i just pt out that nothing ksmith has done touches 'freaks & geeks' alone

(except for off of a southwest airlines flight for being a fat insufferable asshole. you can also go there.)

ok, i'll give you freaks & geeks

deej otm

and lo-fucking-l at Whiney telling me to chill out, i'm not the one popping in the thread just to wish death on someone

i didn't wish death on him!

i just wished that he would choke on a hamburger

I'll put Clerks and Mallrats over any movie that Apatow's made. And Dogma over everything but Forgetting Sarah Marshall

jorte

i might have to watch dogma tonight to try to figure out why on earth people like it. thanks, ilx.

i kinda liked cop out, at least the stuff with stifler and tracy morgan

can i just pt out that nothing ksmith has done touches 'freaks & geeks' alone

― *gets the power* (deej), Monday, January 17, 2011 4:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

f&g was paul feig's baby, wasnt it

judd was a writer/producer on larry sanders!

he's better than fuckin apatow at least

lol straight trollin

Larry Sanders
Freaks & Geeks

are all time great just on an acting/writing level that Smith can't even begin to imagine approaching

f&g was paul feig's baby, wasnt it

― Princess TamTam, Monday, January 17, 2011 3:49 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

a collaborative effort iirc

cool I already said not counting the tv shows

id still take 40 yr old virgin & FSM over the ksmith oeuvre i think? i have to see mallrats again tho. i guess if u are feeling nostalgic for 90s nerdstyle you might prefer those

Apatow is pretty harmless/kosher - hard to dislike the guy. His work is mehhhhhh

Also he did this
http://thezaz.nationallampoon.com/files/2010/02/heavyweights-dvd.jpg

i mean, i was like 15 when Mallrats dropped so obv its in my wheelhouse

saying Smith's movies are better than Apatow's are just wrong from a technical standpoint, Smith barely even knows where to point the camera, how to block a scene, how to edit a joke

x-post Yeah, F&F was Feig, but Apatow was of course a huge part of it. Apatow also worked on Ben Stiller show, The Critic, Larry Sanders. Factor in the films he's produced, flops and all, and it's no contest compared to Smith, whose shit trail is inexcusable.

i wonder if affleck's directing style is influenced by kevin smith.

I take Forgetting Sarah Marshall over any Kevin Smith movie. Not that you can credit Apatow as a writer for that (and he only helped on the story, not the script, for Pineapple Express.)

Like, whenever I read about a troubled production that lists Kevin Smith as among the many to take a stab at it, I think, jeez, those producers really dodged a bullet there. Would anyone make a worse big-budget superhero film than Smith?

Keep in mind I'm glad he keeps trying, because it gets him the material to spin stories like the Jon Peters/Batman/giant spider anecdote, which is golden. That and his behind the scenes Prince depiction.

i wonder if affleck's directing style is influenced by kevin smith.

― Philip Nunez, Monday, January 17, 2011 4:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

what

(You can be pretty sure that anything with Apatow's name on it he's had a hand in the writing, credit or no)

there are some like problematic aspects to esp. 'knocked up' but nothing on the level of the ideological o_O that is chasing amy's final few scenes

i wonder if affleck's directing style is influenced by kevin smith.

Doubtful because even with the weaknesses The Town had, it was still competently shot throughout.

In his best work (Clerks/Mallrats/Dogma) Smith has kind of a weird Simpsons-meets-Linklater mind for weird tangents and unexpected gags that emerge from otherwise dry social encounters. In his best (movie) work, Apatow is like American Pie for people who are just a few IQ points higher

american pie is awesome

stiffler's one of the greatest characters ever