― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link
dean, you wouldn't know anything abt racism would you? i hope your burrito gives you good culture
― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link
haha what?
― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link
And why on earth would I ever be on the 405? I never go east of the PCH.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link
The one that's a treat.
He does!
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link
Mike Davis to thread.
V, it's true that this is a well-established meme. I think the issue is that it doesn't line up with many Westsiders' lived experience (e.g., of paying mortgage-level rents to live in nondescript-to-grotty 1beds with shitty carpets in neighborhoods where cool, strong women still feel safer driving two blocks than walking after dark).
LA's recent Jiffy-Pop style real estate bubble exaggerates the effects (incl. gentrification), but the notion of Fortress Westside does seem to lose a bit of currency when we step outside the sociology and urban planning departments onto the mean streets south of Sunset.
There are probably more "gated communities" up the 101 than there are between Sunset and Ventura. I guess what I'm saying is, those gates have always made more sense metaphorically (incl. to Thousand Oaks homebuyers) than in real life. Hence the Concept of Security, but hardly the thing itself.
NIMBYism mostly has to do with noise and inconvenience, and while it's true that wealthier communities have always had the resources to (perhaps frivolously) fight development tooth and nail, once the Beverly Hills' of the world discover a particularly effective legal blocking tactic, the Bellflowers and Gardenas are just as quick to take it up. Which is why we ain't gonna be gettin' any more freeway any time soon...
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link
My favorite LA restaurant is Urasawa.
I am playing Pro Yakyu Spirits 2004 Climax right now, it's unbelievable.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Or, Roger completely OTM.
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link
very true. also my first impression.
― youn, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link
Let's make it happen, nigga, fuck rappin I'm bellinWith three time felons, nigga, who you tellin?Doug Lou Ellen that a fool sellinThirty-six ounces what that amounts isA whole chicken finger licken is the rumorCatch a tumor you say I'm dickin my consumerSuede Puma's as I walk down FlorenceWith warrants that don't go to court in TorranceTonight I'm buzzin thought I wasn'tMack 10 and W.C. is like my blood cousinsEleven strikes from armed robbery to stolen bikesA nigga likes your motherfuckin Nikes
I shift gears when I see tearsFuck a record, fuck a movieI rack my uziOn boosy niggaz that pretend to be friend to meWe the dopest niggaz on Hennessy in the industryI did a lick wellI'm in a thick cellGold teeth, two motors and pig tailsAnd when I hear Westside ConnectionI get the fuckin erection
So, fuck what you saying, fuck who you tellinI'm only bellin with some three time felonsNya, fuck what you saying, fuck who you tellinI'm only bellin with some three time felons
Rollin till the wheels fall offA nigga rollin till the wheels fall offWestside rollin till the wheels fall offA nigga rollin till the wheels fall off
― something about ice cube getting an erection (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― I shift gears when I see tears (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link
and for the record, youd have to pay me to get me to go to the 'west side'. its hard enough to get me to go to hollywood, let alone onto or past the strip. ive been to the beach one time since ive lived here (2 years). i totally prefer the lifestyle, the restaurants, the venues, the weird hole-in-the-walls, the people, the culture, and the safety of echo park/silverlake. yes, thats right...saftey.
im sure that some of you will argue, but from personal experience, i feel safer on the east side. sure, theres...well, lets call them 'riff-raff' (for lack of a better or non-PC word) on the east side, but there are far more crazies in the hollywood area (i dont know about santa monica or venice, cause i never go there). anyway, anyone ive ever encountered late at night on the east side has been relatively easy to steer clear of, get rid of, or ignore. in general they have beef with their people and wont bother ya if you dont start shit with them, ya know?
anyway, thats my nickel for the day. oh, and hi. im new. and thats the last time ill admit that. ;)
― shh! (wide-eyed), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
I'd be tickled to meet y'all at a FAP anywhere from the beach to downtown, but sadly I'm booked Friday. Now Saturday...
As long as it's not in the South Bay. Don't even get me started on the South Bay... ;-)
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 16 June 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link
i think the eastside-centric attitude seems a very recent development starting with the the hipster influx into east hollywood in the 90's and probably affected by hyper-inflated real estate values. i mean those same people who won't go east of western now lived (or would have lived) in miracle mile in the early 90's.
here's a useful map i found of LA city... http://www.losangelesalmanac.com/LA/lamap2.htmnote there are so many unofficial names and names post offices use or don't use. ie. if you live in northridge. you would say you live in northridge and write that as your address (even though it's LA city). if you live in silverlake you'd say you live in silverlake, but not address letters there. and places like miracle mile or larchmont are just traditionally known names not really recognized anywhere.
― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Thursday, 16 June 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link
please no
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 16 June 2005 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT THE WESTSIDE COMMUNITIES HAVE REPEATEDLY VOTED AGAINST THE METRO LINE BECAUSE OF RACIAL / SOCIO-ECONOMIC FACTORS OF NIIMBY-ISM BECAUSE YOU SEEMED TO BE "OH-SO-OFFENDED" BY THIS NOTION, SPENCER
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE DISPUTE THIS WITH FACTUAL INFORMATION WITHOUT TRYING TO TWIST MY WORDS, ACCUSE ME OF MAKING "GENERALIZTIONS," OR FUCKING CHANGE THE TOPIC AGAIN OKAY THX BYE
and im only going to fap if its on my damn balcony 4 now
― Vichitravirya XI, Thursday, 16 June 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 16 June 2005 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 16 June 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link
"Los Angeles's walled communities provide professionals from the real estate, entertainment and technology industries with an escape from the problems of the disenfranchised that lie beyond their well protected enclaves -- with tall gates, private security forces and 24-hour a day electronic surveillance."
How many can you balcony hold?
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 16 June 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post I didn't read the big article you posted upthread but I'll look at it now to see if that answers my question.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 16 June 2005 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link
roger i posted that just to demonstrate the history of racial segragation here
whats just making me want to tear my hair out is how adamant everyone on this thread is being in completely DENYING what has already passed into history, and what is common knowledge.
its like...okay:
the encyclopedia is wrong, spencer / ile is rightthe local times and alt weeklies are wrong, spencer chow / ile is rightall the pro-metro activist groups - which can be contacted online, try yahoo (im a member of that yahoo group) are wrong, spencer chow / ile is right
this is total madness and i dont know why im bother putting up with this thread. its only making my blood boil
― Vichitravirya XI, Thursday, 16 June 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Vichitravirya XI, Thursday, 16 June 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― I shift gears when I see tears (deangulberry), Thursday, 16 June 2005 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link
Ah, ya punk, missing out on Friday. But fear not, Arthur the Very Good is DJing on Saturday, and I'm frankly tempted to stay in LA for that after the Friday FAP and all. We'll see!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 05:25 (nineteen years ago) link
true, the metro line is a big mess and it sucks and it's unfortunate we don't have a transportation system and traffic is becoming catastrophic. but you can't just casually say 'i hate the fucking WESTSIDE so much' (and then say 'Spencer I don't hate the Westside' to what? try to back out of irresponsible stereotyping?) and not expect some shit. i mean i like some of your ideas on other threads, but Spencer's right in saying you're all over the place on this one.
― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Thursday, 16 June 2005 05:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 16 June 2005 06:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 16 June 2005 06:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― I shift gears when I see tears (deangulberry), Thursday, 16 June 2005 07:18 (nineteen years ago) link