REVEALED: THE ILX TOP 100 FILMS OF THE 1960s IN CINERAMA!

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a hint about #12 that no one will get: It was the first 60s movie I got on DVD

General Doinel (Charles McCain), Monday, 12 December 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

the miracle worker

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 12 December 2005 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

So taking my earlier list, and throwing away stuff that's probably not top-12 material (for example I love Sanjuro but there's no way it'll score higher than Yojimbo), we get

2001
A Taste of Honey
Bonnie & Clyde
Breathless
Dr. Strangelove

In Cold Blood
Irma La Douce
Last Year in Marienbad
Midnight Cowboy
Psycho

Rosemary's Baby
Satryicon
The Apartment
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly
West Side Story

Is there an obvious three on that list that won't appear in the top 100 at all?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm thinking a taste of honey, irma la douce, and in cold blood are 3 most likely odd men out of that bunch. i think more than 3 from that list ain't making it though.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Call 'em, then. And what do you think will go in instead?

(You've picked three that I put in more or less because I associate an aura of general appreciation with the names - I've never actually seen them, so I can't go "No way!")

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Satyricon. No chance.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

And Midnight Cowboy could go either way. I won't be surprised if it's top 12, but I also won't be surprised if it's not there at all.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure my #1 film ain't in the top 100 :'(. OK, I'm actually certain it isn't as I must have been the only one to vote for it.

Ayways, from you list I'd guess West side story won't make it (or rather I wish it didn't). Same with A taste of honey, it won't make it. Dunno for the 3rd one.

BTW, didn't anybody vote for Jungle book?

Jibé (Jibé), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

o i think midnight cowboy's a lock

i don't think these are locks (from least likely to place to most):

A Taste of Honey
Irma La Douce
In Cold Blood
Satryicon
West Side Story
Last Year in Marienbad


the rest, for better (breathless, the good, the bad, and the ugly) or worse (2001, rosemary's baby), are probably sure things.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

other possible sleepers not in Farrell's 15: Faces, The Manchurian Candidate, THE GRADUATE(!!), Doctor Zhivago

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

oh god, people, the graduate. please god no

gear (gear), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

when alex in nyc and dr morb yuppieromcom loving powers combine they give us - THE GRADUATE

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:18 (eighteen years ago) link

the entirety of redford/hoffman cinema from '67 to '79 could vanish and i wouldn't miss it one bit.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:21 (eighteen years ago) link

except straw dogs

gear (gear), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:22 (eighteen years ago) link

ok three days of the condor was pretty solid too.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:22 (eighteen years ago) link

where is the love for midnight cowboy?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:23 (eighteen years ago) link

gear are you deliberately trying to bait morbs by suggesting there might actually be better movies than all the president's men?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i agree with ebert's midnight cowboy take!

the only thing i get out of all the president's men is that i'd rather be watching robards in a leone film!

gear (gear), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i think manchurian candidate's got a decent (and deserved) shot at the top 5. i doubt a taste of honey is even close - did anyone besides me even vote for it?

strangelove seems like a good bet for #1.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Manchurian will win; it's an excellent but not-remotely-great movie. 2001 leaves ambiguous the questions it raises about human evolution and the cosmos; Manchurian leaves ambiguous the question "WTF is up with Janet Leigh?"

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

all the president's men is easily one of my favorte movies ever. gear, u r insane.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

from redford, i also like: three days of the condor, bridge too far, the sting, jeremiah johnson, the candidate and even the hot rock. note: i do not like butch cassidy.

hoffman i could take or leave. straw dogs has its moments, as does marathon man. the rest = very eh.

my guess at the top five:

01 The Good, The Bad and the Ugly
02 Dr Strangelove
03 Breathless
04 The Apartment
05 Band of Outsideres

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

greil marcus calls manchurian candidate the best american movie made after citizen kane and before the godfather, and i think he's right (and actually i might like it better than either, tho kane is very close). i saw it late at night last year by accident, not really expecting much, and was completely knocked out. there's something very mysterious and kind of scary about it that i find hard to sort out - it hits me a lot harder than more obvious political satires like dr strangelove (which i also love), for sure.

2001 i loved when i was 14, but it's really pretty empty-headed in a lot of ways. the HAL scenes are great, but i think i prefer real antonioni to kubrick-doing-antonioni, really.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned The Ghost and Mr. Chicken as a Top 5 possibility; if there wasn't too much vote-splitting with The Incredible Mr. Limpet or The Love God?, it can't be discounted.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

greil marcus calls manchurian candidate the best american movie made after citizen kane and before the godfather

That's Kael I'm pretty sure, unless GM stole it.

Armond White:

"In 1962, John Frankenheimer's The Manchurian Candidate was too wildly improbable to believe—-and that's why its satirical story about a Korean War veteran being brainwashed into a political assassin was such scary fun. The 60s assassinations that followed made the movie seem eerily prescient, and many viewers mistook that coincidence to be proof that it was a great movie.

Truth is, the '62 film, adapted by impish screenwriter George Axelrod from Richard Condon's burlesque thriller novel, was more kitschy than profound. Today it looks like a pretty scar hiding the malaise of the 60s. Its naïve shock (concerning war fatigue, political subterfuge, incest) doesn't do justice to the real-life sorrow that had once seemed unimaginable."

I don't go along with AW's idea that the remake is better (save Liev Schreiber is an improvement on Laurence Harvey).

As films adapted from Condon novels go, I prefer Prizzi's Honor. (Now, if the film had made Eleanor a junkie like the book... JD, the novel's INSANE compared to the film. Read it.)

I really should've voted for at least one Jerry Lewis movie. Not that anyone else did, apparently.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Schreiber was good as was Jeffrey Wright, but the remake was so fucking tepid! I really like the original a lot. Armond White is a fool.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Why do people think that "profound" is always better than "kitschy?"
Do they understand that the two things are completely interchangeable depending on which decade you were born in?

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The shot from inside the car as they screech around to pull up to the theater where Harvey is about to do his thing is fucking amazing.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Armond White's piece shows just as much future-influences-view-of-past as he claims others have.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

here's an except from marcus's (pretty brilliant) study of manchurian candidate which comes pretty close to describing my own reaction (tho obv i didn't see it in 1962):

"I remember first seeing it alone, when it came out in 1962, at the Varsity Theatre in Palo Alto, California, a Moorish wonderland of a movie house. The first thing I did when it was over was call my best friend and tell him he had to see it, too. We went the next night; as we left, I asked what he thought. "Greatest movie I ever saw," he said flatly, as if he didn't want to talk about it - and he didn't.

He said what he said stunned, with bitterness, as if he shouldn't have had to see this thing, as if what it told him was both true and false in a manner he would never be able to untangle, as if it was both incomprehensible and all too clear, as if the whole experience had been, somehow, a gift, the gift of art, and also unfair - and that was how I felt, too."

the rest here:

http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,6761,754309,00.html

that armond white excerpt almost reads like a parody of kael! "scary fun," "kitschy," and espec "many viewers mistook that coincidence to be proof that it was a great movie" (incredibly condescending!!)

i didn't bother with the remake, i'll check out the novel though.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

["profound" and "kitschy?"] are completely interchangeable depending on which decade you were born in?

Tom, you're not from the "it's funny cuz it's old" school, like the clowns at the Film Forum who laugh through the climax of Rififi, are you?

Manchurian works best as a nightmare comedy, as with the liberal senator getting shot right in the milk carton.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

and WHAT is the deal with Janet Leigh???

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Why do you even bother with the Film Forum, I mostly gave up on that place ages ago for unwillingness to deal with the chatty laughy student crowd mixed with the college crowd who was the equivalent of the Nihilists from Big Lebowski, except without any humor at all. Ugh.

The deal with Janet Leigh was someone convinced her to walk around only in her underwear for 90% of the film.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom, you're not from the "it's funny cuz it's old" school, like the clowns at the Film Forum who laugh through the climax of Rififi, are you?

If I was, I'd probably be a much bigger fan of Kubrick!

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Here we go:

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12. The Apartment
Billy Wilder, 1960
POINTS: 270
VOTES: 15

COMMENTS:

“Good movie. Shirl = rowr. Unlikely ending: IRL she wd stick as best fwends and break his feckin heart as she twirled thru endless rubbish boyfs (21st-century update: girlfs), before she suddenly lost her looks'n'figure WACK at 41.

“ You know I'm right.”

-- mark s

“My favorite Christmas movie.”

--General Doinel

“The Apartment is a damn near perfect movie. Even the unlikely ending is unexpectedly touching. "That's the way it crumbles, cookie-wise..."

“It's easy to say "They don't make 'em like that anymore," but they didn't often make 'em like that even back then.”

-- Justyn Dillingham

General Doinel (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

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11. Bonnie and Clyde
Arthur Penn, 1967
POINTS: 275
VOTES: 16

COMMENTS:

“Watching Faye Dunaway in Bonnie and Clyde puts me in a trance and turns me into a drooling, mouth-agape Homer Simpson.”

-- oops

“Bonnie & Clyde may be the funniest drama ever.”

--General Doinel

General Doinel (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

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10. Midnight Cowboy
John Schlesinger, 1969
POINTS: 278
VOTES: 14
#1’s: 1

COMMENTS:

“The Best movie starring Dustin Hoffman

“midnight cowboy and sunday bloody sunday are two movies that best explain sex to me, the ambiguity and tenderness and emotional complications that blossom into commitment and love.

“cowboy won the oscar, which must have been the time and place, cause it was so radical and isolating that it would seem to be out of place during that gladhaddening.”

-- anthonyeaston

General Doinel (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Cowboy has not dated well, Jon and Dusty aside.

Ally, it's not the FF's fault they have nitwits in the audience. Their programming is good, they show stuff (esp the premieres) you often can't see anywhere else.

Janet L was underwear-clad in Manchurian? is she a double agent or not (at least Demme addressed this).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

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9. Rosemary’s Baby
Roman Polanski, 1968
VOTES: 16
POINTS: 282
#1’s: 1

COMMENTS?

General Doinel (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Like the abusive husband that I am, I hated HATED the ending in a way that showed how much I was invested in the characters and how much I loved her baby come back baby I didn't mean it I'll change!

Also, Mia's short do: ME-YOW!

Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistent. (Leee), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

ever see that doc on cinematographers? The DP talks about how Polanski got the audience to crane their necks at a hidden-by-doorframe Ruth Gordon.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

visions of light was it, right? awesome stuff.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

That's it.

John Cassavetes' character = just another ambitious NY actor

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I remember that specific comment. Great movie in every respect. One thing I noticed last time I saw it- you ask the question "Why doesn't she run away?" and she DOES run away. You ask the question "Why doesn't she get away?" and that is answered too.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost w/ Morbius)

Right. Which answers yet another question: What's in it for the husband?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

He got a big part downtown, didn't he?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

He borrowed that tie from the other guy!

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Sinatra left Mia just before the shoot I think, so she was steeped in consorting with the Devil ...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait I'm not even thinking of Janet Leigh. I don't know what her deal was, the conversation in the train between her and Sinatra is completely redonkulous.

and no, it's no one's fault but the nitwits that nitwits exist. That doesn't mean I'm going to willingly go to a place that makes me sit with them for hours!

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

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8. The Graduate
Mike Nichols, 1967
POINTS: 287
VOTES: 14

COMMENTS:

“Just saw it for the first time last night (yeah, yeah, I know...last night..I never owned a TV either okay?)
But seriously, the last 20 minutes of this film are absolutely fucking classic--esp. the love crazed Dustin Hoffman wedding breakup cross-wielding-bride-stealing scene.

“I am tempted to say rebel w/out caause=50s as The Graduate =60's.”

-- turner

“the ending is classic of course, but it's the overwhelming mood of .... nothing .... that i love.”

-- paul barclay

“The Graduate is one of my favourite ever films, yes. Just beautiful, and unbearably affecting re: becoming an adult, despite Benjamin's situation bearing little resemblance to my own post-graduation. I don't like the end so much as the beginning, and that section where he is having the affair with Mrs Robinson, lazing around the swimming pool and doing little else.”

-- Nick

“i used to think this film was a bit overrated, but i watched it again for the first time in 5 years this morning and i don't know what i was thinking: it's pretty much perfect. dustin hoffman's performance is hilarious from start to finish.

"do you want a wood hanger or a wire hanger? they have both."

-- J.D.

General Doinel (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link


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