2008 Primaries Thread

guys, everyone hated Gore's sighing and Kerry's smirking because they were women

what the fuck have I stepped in

am I the only one who doesn't watch Chris Matthews and doesn't give a fuck about anything he ever says or does?

Not to be all Morbs*, but there's not that much evidence that an Obama presidency will be very different from a Clinton presidency, so a lot of the vehement Clinton-hatred/Obama-love here is coming from somewhere else - misogyny or no.

*(the difference between me and Morbs being that I will gladly back either of these candidates in spite of not believing I will receive the moon they promise me)

There is definitely misogyny at work in this primary race.

I can't stand Matthews, but I like Obermann.

guys, everyone hated Gore's sighing and Kerry's smirking because they were women

-- gabbneb, Wednesday, January 9, 2008 12:12 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Anti-intellectualism in those campaigns doesn't preclude the possibility of misogyny in this one

you know what's great about tonight tho? most of us are actually gonna get a say in this thing.

there's not that much evidence that an Obama presidency will be very different from a Clinton presidency

bullshit

Okay, I didn't do a lot of column reading. Just tv watching. But seriously, all I ever saw was "Hillary is the next president. Cower in fear, GOP losers. It's time in this country that a woman runs things."

haha, anti-intellectualism

The number of aggro white dudes who still hate Hillary with a seething passion is kind of amazing.

do you really think people backing obama over hillary would be hating just as much if she wasnt doing a bunch of slimy unpleasant shit in her campaign? or would welcome this if she was a dude?

yup

Anti-intellectualism in those campaigns doesn't preclude the possibility of misogyny in this one

i don't think kerry and gore were being 'intellectuals'. the fact that hillary is a woman doesn't preclude the possibility that she possesses character traits that people find unattractive in more than one gender.

srsly, i think if you think this is about her being a woman, you are fatally not getting it

the people for whom gender matters that much vote for the other side no matter what

theres def a ton of dudes madd cuz shes got tits but that doesnt mean disliking any woman ever is sexist, and accusing liberal obama supporters of this is veering towards GOP 'dems hate condi cuz shes a strong black woman!!' bullshit

BTW, on the GOP side, what happened to immigration, the new ''third rail of politics''? I mean, soft-on-immigration John McCain won going away.

ugh look at these senators giving poor alberto gonzales such a hard time... why do they hate mexicans??

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flattery will get you nowhere, CNN

I would instantly gain so much respect for HRC if she'd tell Bill to stay home and dump all her old '90s-minded staff. THAT'S the thing I hate about her.

people in new hampshire don't have to worry much about learning spanish, daniel

Of course it's not only about gender. Obama is a great communicator and Hillary is mediocre at it, no doubt. But that doesn't explain the hatred.

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^^ so gonna happen

Fair enough. It's hard for me to evaluate, having recently moved to Earth.

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holy shit daniel w/ a zing

in a few cases it's because he didn't ever support the war and she keeps voting yay on cheneystyle fearmonger bullshit

but it's hard to shake the feeling that people really have a lot less patience for the lady-wonk than they do for the masculine version of same

zing sustained

majority of hillary haters i know are broads tho... dudes respect her professionalism & hard-ass stance

esp. non-dems

majority of hillary haters i know are broads tho.

^^same

Dear msnbc: Please give Rachel Maddow her own show. I don't have time to listen to the radio.

broads be catty

hurting, i'm not a hillary hater as far as policy goes, but her campaign has been slimier than obama's in my mind, and i think that might piss people off

too moist

i've got to go.

haha my fiancee hates hrc, tho, adding on to the ladies hate cool h train

1 week til Nevada debate. Obama will be getting schooled, methinks.

loool @ ron paul's gender gap (11% male, 4% female)

98% racists

100% Sean Hannity haterz

yo bumrush the colmes

At least this will save us from all the Obama-is-the-12th-Imam slough. But a fine montage it is ...

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wtf/lol @ 'NO ONE HAS REAL REASONS TO HATE HILLARY' try her war vote (still a big deal to me, fuck u dudes) and TRIANGULATING on EVERYTHING

My wife backs Hillary. I'm for Obama mainly because of the Iraq/Iran votes and a moment that turned me off in which Hillary made a really insensitive-sounding defense of the payroll tax cap.

I'm willing to take a gamble on the fact that an Obama presidency, would, in fact, be better than a Hillary presidency, but I'm skeptical. I'm not convinced Obama won't or hasn't made the same devil's bargains with corporate interests Hillary has. He's a better, more energetic speaker, and he talks a lot about hope and change, and he rattles off the same laundry list of problems any dem. candidate would and makes unrealistic claims that he's going to solve them. Which I forgive, to a extent, because he is campaigning.

Triangulating? Isn't Obama's whole "unity" and "non-partisan" schtick a re-branding of triangulation?

Triangulating? Isn't Obama's whole "unity" and "non-partisan" schtick a re-branding of triangulation?

-- Hurting 2, Tuesday, January 8, 2008 11:46 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

no, not at all

deciding you're randomly against flag burning = triangulating
convincing republican lawmakers to go along with videotaping police interrogations = unity and nonpartisan 'schtick'

i don't see obama making the kind of moves that hillary has in the past that suggest she is much more prone to making decisions based on short-term political expediency.

so what's the tough talk on Pakistan if not triangulation?

convincing republican lawmakers to go along with videotaping police interrogations = unity and nonpartisan 'schtick'

-- deej, Tuesday, January 8, 2008 11:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

in CHICAGO nonetheless, the city known for torturing black suspects up into the mid-1980s