2008 Primaries Thread

Is it possible that independents -- seeing the huge advantage for Obama in the polls -- decided to vote in the Republican primary, where their votes may count?

I think they said that the independent voters still went heavier towards the dems.

But Hills got more of a percentage of them than anyone expected.

stolen election, amirite??

maybe New Hampshire is just populated by racists?

Brian Williams just referenced "Dewey Defeats Truman." Well, c'mon. Let's not get silly.

I wonder whether black voters -- who (according to polls) were waiting to see how Obama did before deciding to support him, and had great hope after Iowa -- now stay with HRC in South Carolina?

chris matthews is such a sexist jackass. i don't know what happens after this but i will say, part of the commentary on here is why i'm spending hardly any time around ilx. you see a bunch of guys trashing a woman long enough, guess what - it's fucking annoying and on the internet, you can just go somewhere else. it's worse when it's coming from the national press corps trying to tell the country how to pick a president.

look at the gender gap in new hampshire. obama might be inspiring to some but in that debate when he gave hillary that snooty look and said "you're likable enough" in that utterly condescending, dismissive tone i was like, hey man, fuck you. seriously.

hrc - our first black female president lolz

Chris Matthews: Voters are racist/sexist, and only show it when an ''Archie Bunker voice'' asks them who they'll vote for.

yeah, he should know his place, right?
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lol hillary. lololol. burn the witch. the media and the big blogs will have to try harder next time (i'm sure they will).

Daria's right about that ''You're likable ENOUGH'' line by Obama. I think it hurt him. It made him look petty and frat boy-ish, not high-minded and transformative.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't hate Hillary because she's a woman. It's because she's Hillary Clinton.

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daria how would you feel if someone claimed the hillary campaign's near constant attacks on obama were because of her racism?

A persecution complex is a term given to an array of psychologically complex behaviours that specifically deal with the perception of being persecuted for various possible reasons, imagined or real.

But I think you misjudge Obama's motives for saying that, Daria. I don't think he was showing his sexism. I think it was a way of showing himself as an aggressive frontrunner (gently jabbing down at your opponents). But it was unbecoming and, given Obama's image, the line made him look bad.

Agreed that line was a bad idea. Totally unnecessary. She was in the middle of her own Kodak moment and it was bad form for him to spoil it.

I don't know how you can follow the meta-coverage on the press in this race and not understand that there's some deeply rooted misogyny at work here. esp in the mean girls high school sense

of course there is - im not saying there is no misogyny ever im saying obama isnt the source of it just cuz he took a shot at somebody he's running against

I didn't notice any, even subversive, misogyny directed at her for a full year when she appeared to be on the fast track to the White House. It's only when her candidacy became an uncertain proposition. News dudes always dismiss the underdogs in ugly ways.

I think daria is just saying she agrees that that was a shitty line

I didn't notice any, even subversive, misogyny directed at her for a full year when she appeared to be on the fast track to the White House.

are you fucking serious

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Dar-i-A!

not that obama is the source of all woman-hating on the campaign trail. that shit was set in motion decades ago when all these bloggers and reporters were in 7th grade e.g. you either hated that girl who sat in the front of the class and always raised her hand, or you were bill clinton

I didn't notice any, even subversive, misogyny directed at her for a full year when she appeared to be on the fast track to the White House.

was it damp under your rock?

guys, everyone hated Gore's sighing and Kerry's smirking because they were women

what the fuck have I stepped in

am I the only one who doesn't watch Chris Matthews and doesn't give a fuck about anything he ever says or does?

Not to be all Morbs*, but there's not that much evidence that an Obama presidency will be very different from a Clinton presidency, so a lot of the vehement Clinton-hatred/Obama-love here is coming from somewhere else - misogyny or no.

*(the difference between me and Morbs being that I will gladly back either of these candidates in spite of not believing I will receive the moon they promise me)

There is definitely misogyny at work in this primary race.

I can't stand Matthews, but I like Obermann.

guys, everyone hated Gore's sighing and Kerry's smirking because they were women

-- gabbneb, Wednesday, January 9, 2008 12:12 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Anti-intellectualism in those campaigns doesn't preclude the possibility of misogyny in this one

you know what's great about tonight tho? most of us are actually gonna get a say in this thing.

there's not that much evidence that an Obama presidency will be very different from a Clinton presidency

bullshit

Okay, I didn't do a lot of column reading. Just tv watching. But seriously, all I ever saw was "Hillary is the next president. Cower in fear, GOP losers. It's time in this country that a woman runs things."

haha, anti-intellectualism

The number of aggro white dudes who still hate Hillary with a seething passion is kind of amazing.

do you really think people backing obama over hillary would be hating just as much if she wasnt doing a bunch of slimy unpleasant shit in her campaign? or would welcome this if she was a dude?

yup

Anti-intellectualism in those campaigns doesn't preclude the possibility of misogyny in this one

i don't think kerry and gore were being 'intellectuals'. the fact that hillary is a woman doesn't preclude the possibility that she possesses character traits that people find unattractive in more than one gender.

srsly, i think if you think this is about her being a woman, you are fatally not getting it

the people for whom gender matters that much vote for the other side no matter what

theres def a ton of dudes madd cuz shes got tits but that doesnt mean disliking any woman ever is sexist, and accusing liberal obama supporters of this is veering towards GOP 'dems hate condi cuz shes a strong black woman!!' bullshit

BTW, on the GOP side, what happened to immigration, the new ''third rail of politics''? I mean, soft-on-immigration John McCain won going away.

ugh look at these senators giving poor alberto gonzales such a hard time... why do they hate mexicans??

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flattery will get you nowhere, CNN

I would instantly gain so much respect for HRC if she'd tell Bill to stay home and dump all her old '90s-minded staff. THAT'S the thing I hate about her.

people in new hampshire don't have to worry much about learning spanish, daniel

Of course it's not only about gender. Obama is a great communicator and Hillary is mediocre at it, no doubt. But that doesn't explain the hatred.