2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

yep - makes for an easy counter from Obama methinks

Sarah Palin is a red herring & the Palin bump will not be a lasting one

not saying Obama is invincible here but Shakey OTM - if Obama has at least a shred of competence (which he does and then some) this won't shake his campaign

Biden should leap on Palin's bullshit in this interview

ironically palin is also one half of a ticket which is headed by a guy who's about to die

so ironic

Who asked about Joseph Biden?

Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democrats’ vice presidential candidate, is an experienced, serious and smart man. But, boy, does he say some curious things. A day on the campaign trail without some cringe-inducing gaffe is a rare blessing. He has not been too blessed lately.

Just this week, he mused that Senator Barack Obama might have been better off with Hillary Rodham Clinton as his running mate.

“Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America,” Mr. Biden said Wednesday in Nashua, N.H. “Quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me.”

Earlier in the week, in Columbia, Mo., Mr. Biden urged a paraplegic state official to stand up to be recognized.

“Chuck, stand up, let the people see you,” Mr. Biden shouted to State Senator Chuck Graham, before realizing, to his horror, that Mr. Graham uses a wheelchair.

“Oh, God love ya,” Mr. Biden said. “What am I talking about?”

lolz (altho I don't think the Hillary thing is bad, he's just showing some "humility" there)

HAHA - Charlie Gibson sounds as bored as Fred Thompson at the GOP debates.

byroncrawford Clinton now helping Obama means Clinton knows Obama is gonna lose. about 1 hour ago from web

lolz Clinton "knows"

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080929/berman_ames

http://www.thenation.com/images/mccain.jpg

Sarah Palin is ABRAHAM LINCOLN WITH LIPSTICK.

lol byroncrawford tweets

guys, O'Biden are waiting until after 911.com(TM) to start tearing shit up

I am really hoping the press and the Dems pick up this "let's go to war with Russia!" thing

x-post Gabbneb

Vlad the imPalin was probably backed into the "let's go to war with Russia!" thing by Matt Damon, etc. being all 'this is who we're gonna send up against Putin?!'

even so its a colossally stupid thing to say and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the country is not itching to kick off a nuclear firefight over some country they've never heard of that didn't even exist 10 years ago.

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/6729/mccainofthehillzr1.jpg

Gibson: Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?
Palin: In what respect, Charlie?
Gibson: What do you interpret it to be?
Palin: His worldview?
Gibson: No, the Bush Doctrine. Enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq War.

guys i know black frames with "YouTube" logo in bottom right corner are mysterious & intriguing but i am not going to click on all of them, context plz?

apols

my top one is some weird AI-bot riff on the theme of obama as antichrist which is quite creepy

second one is a humorous sample of a news presenter talking mccain's 'religious nut eruption'

deej's video is sarah palin being interviewed about her take on the bush doctrine

re: "Not at Her Best" [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

And another e-mail: "Not at her best, huh? Let's see Obama, Biden or McCain do as well in a no subjects barred interview after Gibson had a week to prep. Did you see Obama get his head handed to him on a plate by O'Reilly? No comparison."

no comparison in the sense that one event is real, and the other, utterly fictitious?

(NB I only watched the first night of the Obama/O'Reilly thing)

Yeah, he came off condescending and asked questions of her no one ever thinks to ask The One, like how many countries he’d visited before becoming a senator. The exchanges were chopped to a fine mince too on the editing machine, which is why I didn’t include the bit where he asked her what insight Alaska’s proximity to Russia gives her into their actions and she said, “They’re our next-door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.” Did she really give a non-answer that goofy or did they just smear her by editing it that way? I would have given them the benefit of the doubt earlier but not after botching the prayer quote.

That said, it’s pretty clear she doesn’t know what he means by the Bush Doctrine and can’t answer the Pakistan question in anything but platitudes about stopping Islamic extremism. Even the gimme about the 9/11 hijackers’ motivations comes out garbled: She’s trying to make the basic neocon point that terrorism is a problem caused by political repression and solved by democracy, but it sounds as if she’s trying to patch it together from mental index cards, which … may in fact be what she was doing. Or maybe she was just nervous. Or thrown by Gibson’s demeanor. Not good, whichever it is, but 99% of the people who love her won’t care and the 1% who do can probably be brought around with a good interview tomorrow and, especially, a good debate with Biden. Now, tell me how brilliant she was and how wrong I am.

i love the idea that gibson is the leftwing equivalent of o'reilly

hard-hitting, buffalo-style charlie gibson journalism

the obama/o reilly interviews were fascinating

it was great to see him spar with someone, and he was otm and confident most of the time

the olbermann interview was a fukin snooze

I've grown to hate Olbermann in a big way.

i like olbermann in theory but generally speaking, the obviously partisan news personalities all get on my fucking nerves, it makes me long for some probably mythical day in the past when people just reported the fucking news without giving their opinions all the time.

I would settle for relatively partisan, but mostly content-based grousing, like "Senator Whoever said blah blah blah. This reporter would point out that no independent group has confirmed that statistic, and that Congresswoman X has never been a member of the group in question - nor would it be illegal if she had. Thank you, and here's Steve with the weather." The most vexatious thing about political news coverage - and this is obviously not an original thought on my part - is the emphasis on punditry and analysis that only goes as far as whether a given statement will help/hurt anybody, not whether it's actually true, which is what you'd kind of hope for the press to work on.

Confirmed: Obama appearance on SNL this Saturday

Those O'Reilly interviews were pretty brilliant, I thought.

all the fuss over the Gibson interview! She was platitudinous and screechy, but her remark about Russia has been wildly overplayed: if Georgia joins NATO, and it's attacked, then NATO will respond (I didn't think Obama was that great with O'RLY). Most vice presidents are coached by their teams; the bar is set too low for them to show their mettle unless their running mate is lucky enough to die in office.

Maybe ABC will air the rest tomorrow, in which he'll concentrate on issues that really tell us about Palin: her term as governor.

"term"

obama did as well as anyone can w/ that kind of horseshit interviewing. no gaffes, which was basically the opposite of what oreilly was aiming for

I thought Obama pretty much won O'Reilly over. By the end he was deferring to him - calling certain anti-Obama positions bullshit, and flirting about playing basketball with him. He's gonna vote for Obama, I think.

but he's always liked Obama! He's taken gingerly steps around him since January.

yeah all week he's been saying how much he "respects" him since he realized that he was a "driven, determined" person, which he said he could only learn after meeting him face-to-face

i think he's gonna vote for him too

obama did as well as anyone can w/ that kind of horseshit interviewing

he did do well but more to the point was that it was great to see him debate someone without the pressures of being "graded" by clueless talking heads or making sure he doesn't offend another candidate or something

these have been some of o reilly's highest rated shows ever, and not only did he end up deferring to barack in the end but barack proved that he knew his shit (confidently) and he proved it without the chance of being verbose (or "eloquent" or whatever he gets slammed for being) (in that regard o reilly being an argumentative dick turned out to be an unintended positive for barack)

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/_palin_family_shockers_what_sarahs_really_hiding/celebrity/65407

you name your kid "track" of course he's going to shoot up

"Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"

wtg charlie gibson