2008 Primaries Thread

ILX Wisdom trumps Conventional Wisdom. Again!

Looking swell!

HRC can make the MSM's apparent dislike for her work to her advantage.

That ''I found my own voice'' line was a brilliant phrase.

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2008_01_clinton.jpg

nate - the candidates have less than 25 delegates so far. on super tuesday, more than 1500 delegates are awarded. so the answer to your question is no.

Well, you never know - it could come down to those last 25 delegates, couldn't it?

no, it won't

clinton and obama are tied in delegate count now, i believe

I still think her allegedly "shrill" response to the change theme was actually quite good.

i thought it sucked, actually

delegate numbers mean absolutely nothing at this stage

Isn't that a bit like saying that the score in a baseball game means nothing after the first inning?

-- o. nate, Tuesday, January 8, 2008 10:56 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

A 1-1 score after the first inning means absolutely nothing.

what won for her was sympathy and generations - more old people voted, fewer young ones did

Come on people! Media narrative means everything = big Hillary win.

but it isn't a 1-1 score. in baseball terms, it's still 0-0.

Media narrative means everything

right, and delegate count means nothing

obama's still winning the less-democratic groups, ergo obama is more electable afaic

A 1-1 score after the first inning means absolutely nothing.

By calling it a 1-1 score you're implicitly granting my point.

Will news people learn not to go all batshit from this? Likely not.

lol @ media

still, fuck hillary

It sounds like Obama and Hillary are both going after the Edwards supporters who might be getting ready to bolt after his lackluster showing in NH: they both made a bigger point of taking an anti-corporate stance than either did in their post-Iowa speeches.

PLZ STOP WITH BASEBALL ANALOGY

Obama's still going after the same independents he's always gone after

Hillary looks like 'this shit is tiresome - can you give me the keys already?'

Gabbneb OTM about what won N.H. for HRC. In 2004, when the youth anti-war vote was supposed to help Kerry win, Joe Scarborough -- watching people waiting to vote in line -- said, ''I dunno; looks like the same old voters to me.'' Not saying this will hold true in 2008, but don't count out the old, Baby Boomers vote yet.

hillary insults my intelligence. fuck you, hillary!

Obama's still going after the same independents he's always gone after

Yes, but he was more also vocally anti-corporate in his concession speech tonight than he was after Iowa. I'm listening to NPR and Brian Lehrer just remarked on it as well. Hillary also included some corporate-bashing in her victory speech.

Did Edwards give a concession speech yet?

Yes, he did.

Tom Petty rocks!

hillary pointing at imaginary friends in the audience

Was it a good concession speech?

As you said, the "found my voice" part was genius.

so teatro

Lesson: You don't want to be the ''inevitable nominee'' in the Democratic primary.

OTM

wolfblitzen is a douche

I kind of like this quotation from Yglesias:

The TV coverage I've been watching has implied that New Hampshire is a crazy comeback surprise and Iowa is somehow the "real" result. I think they're wrong. Iowa is the anomaly, because of the bizarre public forum that is the Iowa caucus. You know why Hillary does worse in a caucus? Because women who are leaning Hillary go to the caucus with their husbands, and he says "Let's go for Obama" or "Let's go for Edwards" and she says "Well, all right then" because she doesn't want to spend the next hour sitting alone in the Hillary group. I've sat through a caucus. This is how it works.

Hindsight's always 20/20 and all that ...

how often are primaries this close? it's still 2 pts between them

Yglesias is smart. Also, in a caucus -- where 2d choices are important -- I think the ''anti-HRC'' vote is magnified (unifies a lot of the anti-HRC vote).

Chris Matthews is all about a candidates looks (and machismo).

disliking edwards more than every

Is it possible that independents -- seeing the huge advantage for Obama in the polls -- decided to vote in the Republican primary, where their votes may count?

I think they said that the independent voters still went heavier towards the dems.

But Hills got more of a percentage of them than anyone expected.

stolen election, amirite??

maybe New Hampshire is just populated by racists?

Brian Williams just referenced "Dewey Defeats Truman." Well, c'mon. Let's not get silly.

I wonder whether black voters -- who (according to polls) were waiting to see how Obama did before deciding to support him, and had great hope after Iowa -- now stay with HRC in South Carolina?

chris matthews is such a sexist jackass. i don't know what happens after this but i will say, part of the commentary on here is why i'm spending hardly any time around ilx. you see a bunch of guys trashing a woman long enough, guess what - it's fucking annoying and on the internet, you can just go somewhere else. it's worse when it's coming from the national press corps trying to tell the country how to pick a president.

look at the gender gap in new hampshire. obama might be inspiring to some but in that debate when he gave hillary that snooty look and said "you're likable enough" in that utterly condescending, dismissive tone i was like, hey man, fuck you. seriously.

hrc - our first black female president lolz