2008 Primaries Thread

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CW is wrong on this point.

Actually I think the best thing for Hillary at this point would be for Edward to stay in the race and keep making nasty cracks at her.

Well, that may be true, but I think Edwards won't make that mistake again (to the same degree, at least).

Sully speculates that, apart from NH's non-conformist tendencies, more voters thought HRC did really well in Saturday's debate.

Ugh:

Look, Barack Obama’s an impressive guy; I don’t know anybody who dislikes him. But I think we should be encouraged that voters can stand up against an emotional 24/7 media Valentine for one candidate, and vote instead for a person they think will be a steadier and more reliable Commander-in-Chief (especially important in time of war). Hillary as insurgent against the liberal MSM—you go, girl!

Yes (re: debate, Alfred).

I still think her allegedly "shrill" response to the change theme was actually quite good.

We all did!

ILX Wisdom trumps Conventional Wisdom. Again!

Looking swell!

HRC can make the MSM's apparent dislike for her work to her advantage.

That ''I found my own voice'' line was a brilliant phrase.

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nate - the candidates have less than 25 delegates so far. on super tuesday, more than 1500 delegates are awarded. so the answer to your question is no.

Well, you never know - it could come down to those last 25 delegates, couldn't it?

no, it won't

clinton and obama are tied in delegate count now, i believe

I still think her allegedly "shrill" response to the change theme was actually quite good.

i thought it sucked, actually

delegate numbers mean absolutely nothing at this stage

Isn't that a bit like saying that the score in a baseball game means nothing after the first inning?

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A 1-1 score after the first inning means absolutely nothing.

what won for her was sympathy and generations - more old people voted, fewer young ones did

Come on people! Media narrative means everything = big Hillary win.

but it isn't a 1-1 score. in baseball terms, it's still 0-0.

Media narrative means everything

right, and delegate count means nothing

obama's still winning the less-democratic groups, ergo obama is more electable afaic

A 1-1 score after the first inning means absolutely nothing.

By calling it a 1-1 score you're implicitly granting my point.

Will news people learn not to go all batshit from this? Likely not.

lol @ media

still, fuck hillary

It sounds like Obama and Hillary are both going after the Edwards supporters who might be getting ready to bolt after his lackluster showing in NH: they both made a bigger point of taking an anti-corporate stance than either did in their post-Iowa speeches.

PLZ STOP WITH BASEBALL ANALOGY

Obama's still going after the same independents he's always gone after

Hillary looks like 'this shit is tiresome - can you give me the keys already?'

Gabbneb OTM about what won N.H. for HRC. In 2004, when the youth anti-war vote was supposed to help Kerry win, Joe Scarborough -- watching people waiting to vote in line -- said, ''I dunno; looks like the same old voters to me.'' Not saying this will hold true in 2008, but don't count out the old, Baby Boomers vote yet.

hillary insults my intelligence. fuck you, hillary!

Obama's still going after the same independents he's always gone after

Yes, but he was more also vocally anti-corporate in his concession speech tonight than he was after Iowa. I'm listening to NPR and Brian Lehrer just remarked on it as well. Hillary also included some corporate-bashing in her victory speech.

Did Edwards give a concession speech yet?

Yes, he did.

Tom Petty rocks!

hillary pointing at imaginary friends in the audience

Was it a good concession speech?

As you said, the "found my voice" part was genius.

so teatro

Lesson: You don't want to be the ''inevitable nominee'' in the Democratic primary.

OTM

wolfblitzen is a douche

I kind of like this quotation from Yglesias:

The TV coverage I've been watching has implied that New Hampshire is a crazy comeback surprise and Iowa is somehow the "real" result. I think they're wrong. Iowa is the anomaly, because of the bizarre public forum that is the Iowa caucus. You know why Hillary does worse in a caucus? Because women who are leaning Hillary go to the caucus with their husbands, and he says "Let's go for Obama" or "Let's go for Edwards" and she says "Well, all right then" because she doesn't want to spend the next hour sitting alone in the Hillary group. I've sat through a caucus. This is how it works.

Hindsight's always 20/20 and all that ...

how often are primaries this close? it's still 2 pts between them

Yglesias is smart. Also, in a caucus -- where 2d choices are important -- I think the ''anti-HRC'' vote is magnified (unifies a lot of the anti-HRC vote).

Chris Matthews is all about a candidates looks (and machismo).

disliking edwards more than every