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Fucking great, the BNP assholes are in this area...

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I take everything so personally - such a sensitive wee soul.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

ILX brings out the worst in SteveM, that's for sure.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

I think the Scottish Socialists are alright and all, but this one stupid lass wants to outlaw the word "NED". Well, fuck you my dear - but a ned is a ned and outlawing a word is so fucking stupid I don't think I like you much anymore. I hate Neds. They are cunts and I don't associate them with working class people either. Neds are invariable just twats. I have a middle class one living up from me.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

calum is right about that.. neds (chavs down here) are not just working-class. they become neds by their behaviour, not by their income.

― don (don), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

i am not worried about your comment there Pete. it doesn't bother me, alright?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

I owe you an answer to your question, pashmina.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

which lass was that crw that you spoke of?!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

she wasn't fit so he disagrees

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

Rosie someone. Her name slips right now, but she's not doing her party any favours with such inane mumblings.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

Certain posts on this thread symbolise what's wrong with ILX. Genuine, painful, life-affecting issues like being intimidated/threatened/robbed by nasty people* are rubbished by liberals-at-a-distance who are more interested in knee-jerk scorn and pointless prosthletysing on linguistic semantics. Have a fucking heart.


*find the bigotry in that, yo

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

This is a strange thread.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

oh no and now there's a ned on the thread!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

us funny brits, eh? (x-post)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

Avert your eyes from this thread Ned, it is not for you and your kind

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

Are the UKIP taking over the anti-Europe vote from the Tories?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

the BNP is what exactly? the british nationalist party?

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Genuine, painful, life-affecting issues like being intimidated/threatened/robbed by nasty people* are rubbished by liberals-at-a-distance who are more interested in knee-jerk scorn and pointless prosthletysing on linguistic semantics

Where are they being rubbished?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

you and your kind

hatin' on the Irish now!

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

Where on earth did ANYONE rubbish people being intimidated/threatened/robbed?

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

Avert your eyes from this thread Ned, it is not for you and your kind

I tremble! (Though not so much, based on who started the thread anyway.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

That's not me being necessarily argumentative by the way Mark, its more that I can't be arsed to trawl through this entire thread to find it. In any case, I wouldn't play down the relationship between "genuine life threatening issues" and nasty bigotry because what do racial/classist intolerance and those attempting to spread it feed on? Oh yes, fear.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

No I meant Ned is not a nasty person or a liberal-at-a-distance who is more interested in knee-jerk scorn and pointless prosthletysing on linguistic semantics........ at least I hope he isn't

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

b n p = the british nationalist party, yes, j nathalie.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

MDC OTM.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

Matt, address the problem of people living in fear because of the criminal/antisocial people in their neighbourhoods. How that isn't more of an issue than "what does ned mean" astounds me and makes me sad. But it isn't.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

Who said it was less of an issue?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

at least I hope he isn't

So do I, actually!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

I can tell you aren't Ned......... sorry........... I can tell you aren't, Ned

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

No-one said it was, for Christ's sake. But take a look at the number of posts a) that say "aww, sounds rough, rumpy" and b) that criticise her for the language she uses.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

Well maybe if she expressed herself using less offensive terms then people might show her a little more sympathy

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

Nice worldview, Dada.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry my worldview don't measure up to yours Father Markelby

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

Your loss.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

Incidentally, RP was being criticised with the language she used to describe anti-asylum seeker feeling - nothing to do with anything she experienced personally. In any case, its a red herring - I don't think class needs to be brought into the equation at all when you consider hatred and/or distrust of asylum seekers is currently prevalent across all strata of society.

Flip it on its head - if I were to go "I've just been beaten up by a big gang of black scum", would you lavish me with sympathy and ignore my language or call me out on it? They may be a) black and b) scumbags but that doesn't wash away the negative connotations, does it? Bigotry begets bigotry, even among 'liberals'.

I'm not sure what use me going "aww, that's rough" is, for anyone really.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

See also: Laughing at the proles: C/D?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, Fr. Markelby, I should have given that seminary one more go

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

In other words, one bad action doesn't legitimise a not-as-bad-but-still-slightly-dodgy reaction, in other words.

If there were people flinging around nasty racial abuse or threatening violence on this board they would get one thousand times the amount of stick Rumpy Pumpkin got above for one innocently meant if ill-advised phrase and well you know it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

Well the general tone of some of what she said was what i found offensive. In general, I'm sympathetic to her and don't think I was otherwise on this thread - who was unsympathetic? Dave? Marcello?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

If there were people flinging around nasty racial abuse or threatening violence on this board they would deservedly get one thousand times the amount of stick Rumpy Pumpkin got above for one innocently meant if ill-advised phrase and well you know it.

Is what I should have said.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, I'm too worn out to read back. But while nothing anyone has said in questioning rumpy's words is wrong or even unfair, people are sticking their head in the sand of semantics instead of confronting the issues of drug addiction, unemployment, violence, intimidation etc. which are IMHO more relevant than the meaning of the word "ned".

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link

equating charver hate w/racism is wrong, b/c racism = treating people unfairly over some physical difference which is wrongly percieved to make someone worse in some way, which is some intrinsic part of said person, no-one makes charvers go round ripping people off, shoplifting nike trainers, "tagging" publick transport, wearing stupid burberry caps & selling piss quality tack & whiz. Pah, fukc 'em all, motherfuckers.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

Mark, you seem very fond of complaining about our fiddling with semantics while Britain burns. When exactly *was* the last time you manned a metaphorical fire engine?

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

people are sticking their head in the sand of semantics instead of confronting the issues of drug addiction, unemployment, violence, intimidation etc.

i think semantics of what is a ned and confronting drug etc. issues are both important. but apart from some aspects of violence and intimidation both have not a lot of relevance to the BNP?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

which kind of was once the topic of discussion

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

Touche, Richard. I do actively do stuff to help my football club, but I'll be the first to say that's even less U+K in the arbitrary qualitiative list of wrongs I seem to be drawing up.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

When did Ned last see his feet because he really is a fat Miles Hunt lookalike git. In my opinion anyway.

― CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck you, he's a fat Kevin Shields lookalike git. Cheeky cunt.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

[before today, nathalie probably thought BNP = Banque Nationale de Paris]

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

The impulse that leads Calum to call out racist morons is the same as that which leads him to obsessively seek entree with the nicest poster on ILx (and that which leads him to invariably champion standard/non-marginal Brit youth music and politics). I mean, someone so unimpeachable couldn't possibly reject him, right?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

Rosie Kane is the scottish socialist. I lost all respect for her when she made those comments about neds.
Most people did.

― Andy Jay, Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

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