San Francisco and what to do in it

yeah, i think i gotta try it sometime...

69 you sux. pete let's do scrabble at tony's sometime. i'd like to get your opinion of it.

dust off yr MAXILLAE

Zachary's isn't in SF

chill

there isn't an "Oakland and what to do in it" thread

not get shot

visit Fairyland

Emilia's in Berkeley is the best east bay pizza.

some of us would have to borrow kids to go to Fairyland

there is most def an Oakland thread (started by ADAMRL) and even a Berkeley thread if you so desire.

Little Star>>>Zachary's

not sure if that many >'s, but yeah, it is pretty good.

haha

The best Bay Area pizza I had (best ever! in fact) was Gioia which is not in San Francisco. But if you want good pizza you might have to cross that bridge, bitches.

When does Una Pizza Napoletana open up?

berkeley has a ridiculous amount of great pizza places for a city its size

i hear the arinell's in berkeley pales in comparison to the mission location?

sarah you can borrow my kid

i still sometimes eat zachary's but little star's much better deep dish pretty much ruined it for me. I actually like zachary's thin crust pizzas a little more these days, I think they are completely serviceable.

emilia's is good but not markedly better than gioia or however it's spelled.

arinell's in berkeley is terrible, or was the last time I ate there, which was 12 years ago.

i see everyone also said everything I said (bar the bit about sarah borrowing my son) so I should just shut up

okay, i have to try little star now.

it's amazing. their ingredients are very fresh, particularly the tomatos. zachary's taste like they have canned sauce in comparison.

guys, just to reiiterate: Tony's in SF won the WORLD PIZZA CUP in 2007. In Naples, Italy. The first non-native Italian pizza maker to win this distinction!

there's nothing that compares in my opinion, although I think the 69 is seriously under-rating Delfina and flour+water (or needs to go to those places with me). his short shrift dismissal is pretty "whoa".

Pizza in Naples sucks

let me guess, you spilled some all over your computer?

flour+water is pretty great and right around the corner from my house. always a line out the door too. I felt stupid when we went there because everyone ended up ordering the same thing (by mistake), didn't really get a sense of the rest of their menu at all

Tony's is great but I still prefer the pizzas I make at home. Can't wait for Giuliana's in the Metro hotel, though, since it'll be 1/25 blocks from my house.

I haven't done flour+water but Delfina's pizza is pretty good so I'm no really sure where 69 is coming from. Yeah, it's fancy pants and all but I had a fiddlehead fern/ricotta pizza there (albeit ages ago) that I still recall quite fondly.

basically, im just not hurtin for fancy pizza ever, and there's always six places in any big city that do it fine. coppi's, 2amy's, and pizzeria paradiso in DC; delfina, flour+water, and a16 in SF. and it's FINE! and ive never had pizza in naples, but ive had it in sorrento and venice and florence and rome, and all these american places are doing FINE at DOC-style pizza.

but like, i just want a great NY-style slice, and i cant understand why that is so hard to find here! the ideal is koronet in manhattan, but (and i understand this is a rare opinion) DC jumbo slice from adams morgan pizza boli's (not really the same as the normal pizza boli's slice, so cant really be compared to their non-jumbo delivery style) is better than any slice ive gotten in SF. my other DC pizza favorites (baffetto's, vace, astor mediterranean) are kind of non-standard slices, so its not like DC is busting at the seams with great slices either, but it's there!

btw y'all should definitely go to flour and water, if not for the pizza! maybe the same is true for delfina; ive never had anything but pizza there...

mario batalli (i know ymmv) said that the pasta chef at flour + water is the best in the usa, maybe the world (but to be fair this was when that chef was at spruce).

batalli is bomb. just saying. babbo and both mozza's are amazing.

everything i had at flour + water was amazing (except for a weirdly cooked fish). i'm w/pete on fancy pizza. could take it or leave it. delfina is meh to me. i'll still rep for pizzaiolo in temescal

when i said spruce i meant quince 2 posts up. weird.

batalli is mediocre, just my opinion, everyone has diff taste buds and culinary background/points of reference.

We went to Quince the other night, and were kind-of bummed-out. Everything was way too super-buttery and rich. We had a couple of pastas that would have been PERFECT in a broth, but were instead swimming in butter-based sauces. The gnocchi at Frances were much better than anything from Quince (and maybe better than any THING).

yeah flour + water poached the chef from Quince who made my meals very memorable there.

annie and i are going back for our third dinner at frances next month, and im already excited!

pizzaiolo is great but I've been there maybe ten times now and it's not very surprising any more. but I should maybe get something other than what I normally get (except I'm vegetarian so that limits my options).

Yeah, I was just at Frances and we had enough people to get the whole menu. Going back in July. Great place.

http://www.millenniumrestaurant.com/restaurant/index.html

bit expensive. worth it?

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Millenium? If that's the veggie place in a hotel in downtown (and judging by the menu I just looked at, I think it is) then that is the HANDS DOWN BEST vegetarian food I've ever had in my life. Most creative, most "ooh, I've never eaten that", most utterly OMG DELICIOUS food I've ever experienced.

Granted, I was eating on my millionaire brother's tab, but honestly - I understood after the meal why it was worth it.

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I'm a dyed-in-the-wool carnivore and I like Millenium fine.

haven't been to millenium in many, many years after 3 visits but Ubuntu up in Napa was undoubtedly the best vegetarian restaurant in these parts. Unfortunately it is either no longer or the chef has moved on but the 3 times I went to Ubuntu were really amazing. They had this cauliflower dish that I still makes me smile just remembering it.

Way down the line but I'll be back up there in two months for On Land during Labor Day weekend -- the evenings are booked by default but most of the days otherwise should be free. More as the time gets nearer!

aww we will be in portland so no dice this time nedder

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