I'd managed to avoid it :-/
― ailsa, Sunday, 20 June 2010 10:03 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh why did you post that i didn't know about that. damn.
― Nhex, Sunday, 20 June 2010 10:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I think it's quite possible that this iteration of Amy, the one the Doctor travelled with because her life didn't make sense, is actually dead. And any future Amy we might see is the woman Amelia was meant to grow up into before the cracks/their creator/the Doctor/the Alliance/whoever started messing with her timeline.
― Groke, Sunday, 20 June 2010 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Lots of talk this series about how easily time can be rewritten, so yeah, maybe.
― 8 (88), Sunday, 20 June 2010 10:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I keep going back to the bit that looked like Modern Amy lying about the whereabouts of Amelia Pond - where she said the Doctor was six months too late - and I think it might not be such a big fat lie.
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link
man i hope i don't have to remember stuff that happened longer than a week ago to appreciate the finale.
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Sunday, 20 June 2010 10:38 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, I avoid spoilers v v easily too
That Cyberman stuff then isn't consistent with Army of Ghosts/Doomsday or The Next Doctor.
how so? fucked if I remember anything about where they came from in Next Doctor, but they definitely all came in from the parallel universe in Army Of Ghosts. I figured they'd gotten scattered through time in the Dalek fight.
they should totally run into some original-universe Cybermen and have a fite. then defeat their doppelgangers by offering them some Cadbury Old Gold, the weakness had gotten about that lame by the last old-series episode.
― dyaon't (sic), Sunday, 20 June 2010 10:43 (fourteen years ago) link
OK, so one totally brilliant reference I caught: pastiche of 'stairway to heaven' music from A Matter of Life and Death in the Roman camp scenes.
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 11:55 (fourteen years ago) link
By next week, aldo will have found a way to blame the BP oil crisis on Karen Gillan.
― ô_o (Nicole), Sunday, 20 June 2010 12:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Jesus, yeah, pls don't complain about spoilers by spreading the pain. Bah.
― stet, Sunday, 20 June 2010 13:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT SPOILERS, I AM COMPLAINING ABOUT BAD JOURNALISTIC STANDARDS AT THE BEEB. Delete what you like upthread. I am also assuming this means none of you ever watch the 'Next time' section in multi-part episodes (which always undoes the cliffhanger) or will be watching the trailers for The Big Bang on Monday and Tuesday in case it resolves something ahead of the episode. And I don't think I've ever said anything bad about Karen Gillan, although I'll happily put my hand up to Amy-hate.
OK, I PROMISE ON THE THREAD TO ONLY DISCUSS THINGS WHICH HAPPEN ON SCREEN DURING THE EPISODES THEMSELVES.
Cyber-inconsistencies: in The Next Doctor, the Cyber Shades are a result of trying to make Cybermen out of something other than humans, which establishes using human bits is vitally important to Cybermen and they aren't just robots who think they need bits. Army of Ghosts establishes they actually need lots of bits - the heart stops beating when the one who thought she was getting married that they catch midway through conversion dies, and not just the head.
― BLOODY BOLLOCKS HELL! (aldo), Sunday, 20 June 2010 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone have an idea about the Greek letters under HELLO SWEETIE? They are:
Theta, Sigma - Phi - Gamma, Upsilon, Delta and Tau.
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 13:37 (fourteen years ago) link
..and for some reason the Tardis did not 'translate' them.
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link
They were the coordinates the doc followed to get to the Roman camp, I think.
― JimD, Sunday, 20 June 2010 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Not so sure: apparently someone has called the Doctor by the name Theta Sigma in some past thingy.
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link
"Theta Sigma" is an old nickname of the Doctor's from his college days! (This is old-series stuff - the person who called him it is, I believe, the one time lord I have NEVER seen anyone suggest River Song might be.)
― Groke, Sunday, 20 June 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link
KER-CHING. Which one is that?
Also: A Matter of Life and Death is an illusion with real-life consequences, prompted by David Niven's post-traumatic brain farts and a denoument where he's having neurosurgery because the brain farts are a portent of something worse. That music is just a monster massive tipoff for me because I was obsessed with that film, age 12.
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 13:47 (fourteen years ago) link
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Drax - the chance of this character ever appearing in the new series seem to me beyond minimal, he was a tool. So I think theta sigma is just an easter egg for old school and Greek-literate fans.
― Groke, Sunday, 20 June 2010 13:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I AM COMPLAINING ABOUT BAD JOURNALISTIC STANDARDS AT THE BEEB.Eh? You complained that they ruined the tension by having her talk about next season (ruining it for all of us, too). How is that different from a spoiler?
― stet, Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link
No, I'm complaining that they allowed it to happen in a BBC interview and publicised it further on the BBC. That's what I'm saying is the wrong bit. That THEY should know better.
I also refuse to believe any of you GENUINELY thought that was the end for her. I will buy a pint for anyone that GENUINELY didn't expect it to be reversed at some point next week.
Anyway, since I am now copping it from the top of the shop I will not post in this thread any further. Have fun.
― BLOODY BOLLOCKS HELL! (aldo), Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link
BOOOOOOOOO.
FWIW if certain info appears on Wiki or on a broadcaster's website, it's pretty much impossible to cocoon ILX from comments relating to that.
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
how long would an exploding sun take to effect the earth given that the light from it takes 8 minutes to get here?
(am just thinking about the last episode being 50 minutes of black screen that was suggested upthread)
― koogs, Sunday, 20 June 2010 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Due to the cracks proliferating through time and dramatic convenience all the other stars exploded at just the right time in history so that moffat could get a good shot of them going out.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 20 June 2010 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Do people really count whether or not the companion is returning next series as a potential spoiler?
― mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 20 June 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
It kind of is when she's just been killed. Not that I thought for a second she wouldn't be back.
I like that they brought Rory back like everyone expected only for him to not be Rory.
― slow motion hair ruffle (onimo), Sunday, 20 June 2010 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link
BBC have publicised Amy's return next series quite openly so doesn't count as a spoiler imo
― mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 20 June 2010 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Definitely is, I tend to avoid Dr Who related ephemera on bbc websites etc. (actually I tend to avoid anything that comes under the heading of entertainment "news" anyway, life is too short). I genuinely didn't know and didn't want to know till aldo blurted it out.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 20 June 2010 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link
You guys are way too harsh on Aldo. Noone could possibly believe she wasn't coming back next season. It's been well publicised she's in the next series.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Some of us are in foreign lands and don't have tv and don't see the "next time on". I don't really care in this case but I really enjoy not knowing anything about what I'm watching (ha) and no, maybe I didn't ever believe she'd not be back but I liked entertaining the possibility for a bit!
― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
'next week' stuff does get mentioned on these threads fairly often tho, plus posting future episode titles and basic summaries etc.
― mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Do people really count whether or not the companion is returning next series as a potential spoiler?Thing is, Aldo obv did, as he was complaining about the BBC doing it. If he thinks it's bad form, then it's bad form to do it here as well, surely?
(Also: aldo, if you're still here, it's not like I'm always talking ex cathedra or something. It's just personal (but not personal, like!)).
― stet, Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
SNAPE KILLS AMY
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I haven't watched this week's ep yet but am in a neighbourhood cafe to watch brazil-cotedivoire game and am maybe too thrilled that one of the wifi networks that comes up is called Bad Wolf :) (it is locked, of course!)
― you can't just buy a bathysphere (rrrobyn), Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean apart from anything else, spoilers aren't democratic. It doesn't matter how many people think something wasn't a spoiler, if one person does then the rest are wrong.
(also, heh, this is from two years ago - POLL: What constitues a "spoiler"? JimD and aldo disagree. Take sides here! )
― JimD, Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah but if only one person thinks its a spoiler then they should not read about the show on the internet
― mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Think that one was actually Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher.
― Stevie T, Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Honestly, I had no idea about this, and I do avoid Doctor Who story/casting news as much as possible. Considering the last two seasons I had no reason to expect it. I really don't think it's too much to assume that people like to talk about a show as it airs, but not necessarily stay in touch with behind-the-scenes developments, spoilers, casting news, and so on. Just because I like a TV show and I am on the internet doesn't mean I'm going to look for everything. But yeah I don't think Aldo was intentionally trying to ruin our fun, just being a little absent-minded; lesson learned.
― Nhex, Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought that was clever as well. Nice bit of twisting the knife to have Amy remember him just in time for it to turn out that it's not even him, oh, and he's going to try to kill her against his own will. Lovely.
Also Alex Kingston rules the school.
― trishyb, Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm wondering if she might be Moffat's spinoff. Would watch River Song's Torchwood.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link
picked up elsewhere but neat tip-off re Rory's Autonage: watch that scene where The Doctor pokes Rory in the chest. He sways back and forward, but makes a very plastic-sounding noise as her sways.
― mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 20 June 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link
This Alex Kingston rules the school.
but not this Would watch River Song's Torchwood.
would rather they kept River's story deliberately vague, then you can imagine all the Han-Solo type shit she gets up to.
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
^ cheers for Blossom theme tune in my head
Return of Rory was great. When he appeared, the group I was watching with were all so "OMG YAY RORY!!!" that we had to rewind to actually see what he said - the twist that he wasn't even Rory was ace. Otherwise I have little speculation because I'm accepting that I'm only half-way through a two part story, and not at the end of an arc that's just coming together.
(many xposts, JimD, I tried to find that thread earlier...)And, yeah, <3 Alex Kingston.
― ailsa, Sunday, 20 June 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Regarding the Sontaran, apparently the chap played by Chris Ryan in this episode was called STARK, while he was STAAL last time round, so he looks the same because he's a clone, not because he's the same guy.
― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Even setting aside the lol mingmong anatomy of a Cyberman nonsense upthread the idea of one being killed by a Roman sword seemed kind of odd except of course IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Unless you're the sort of person who watches this solely to pick holes in it, and in fairness there seem to be a lot of them.
I watched this twice, once last night after getting back drunk (where it seemed overwhelming and overcrowded and sort of incomprehensible) and once just now (when it was fantastic). Just so much better than any Rusty final-story cliffhanger since the first series. It was totally obvious from the start that the Doctor was going to end up imprisoned inside the Pandorica, but that didn't stop the end being great.
The "only the Doctor can pilot the Tardis" seemed like a big, big hint being dropped given that River had been flying the thing a scene earlier. My prediction = River is imprisoned because she's killed a future Doctor, her dicking around in time is what's causing the cracks. Because, y'know, the Doctor's quite important with that whole repeatedly saving the universe thing. The aliens are all wrong.
Not sure where Amy fits in at all. Still think it's possible that's, in some way, the real Rory. Given he has all his old memories and everything. Maybe the Pandorica opens several thousand years in the future - ie on Amy's wedding day?
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
But yeah, this is EXACTLY what I wanted from a Moffatt finale, total sense of mystery keeping you hanging on rather than more THE END OF TIME ITSELF bollocks.
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link
And the big baddie really can't be Davros, as he WANTED to destroy all of time and space.
― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Add some (more) vowels to this and you have my guess: OMG.
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
The big baddie - i.e. the silence will fall dude - has surely been playing the Alliance? Waits till the Doctor is out of the TARDIS (and in the clutches of the Alliance) before taking control of it and sending it to the explosion site.
(Though I'm not sure why he/it sends River to Amy's House first for her to uncover the plot. Great scene though.)
I'm starting to think Aldo's suggestion upthread - that we're not actually going to get a big bad reveal next week, it'll be held over to season 6 - isn't a bad one: a bit of longer-term planning wouldn't hurt the series at all.
― Groke, Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link
That was kind of batshit, huh? Not sure it all made sense, but it certainly was enjoyable.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 21 June 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I agree. Jack stopped being an interesting character once he ended up on Torchwood and we learned his boring emo backstory.
― ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 21 June 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link