i hear you. i have employees, and one kid, to worry about.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
let's not turn this thread into an employees and kids contest
― iatee, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link
i have 0 employees and 0 kids. i win
― kkvaggzsta (k3vin k.), Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link
ps I have 90 employees and 14 (afaik) kids so I think I am worried about the economy a little more than you guys
― iatee, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link
i have already conceded the "kid-count" contest.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
iatee, you are an entrepreneurial force-of-nature
also a nonstop impregnation machine
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link
it's really easy to have kids when you have that many employees tbh
but I just worry about the economy so much
so much
― iatee, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link
you're doing all you can.
keep your chin-up. remember: When the world says, "Give up," Hope whispers, "Try it one more time."
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
bonely guy just thinking baout cha-ching$
― sveltko (k3vin k.), Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
There are signs that a trade order error might have helped cause the brief spike down in prices today.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6455ZG20100506
― o. nate, Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link
IT IS A CONSPIRACY.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i blame the tri-lateral comm'n
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Found out two brothers from high school apparently became solo traders or day traders or something via their OH FUCK OH FUCK OH FUCK Facebook updates. And they had such promise as human beings.
― a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link
today's day-traders are tomorrow's chapter 13 petitioners.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 May 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_djgssszshgM/S-FkRO566BI/AAAAAAAABJA/EqiF8n8HDyM/s1600/Budget_2020.png
― Obama is awesome, awesome, awesome (Dandy Don Weiner), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
how does that differ from today's spending breakdown?
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://digitivity.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/death-and-taxes-poster-512x339.png&imgrefurl=http://digitivity.org/868/visualizing-federal-spending-the-federal-budget-in-one-poster&usg=__W7B06eidberUXZjEFS37ReHkm4I=&h=339&w=512&sz=246&hl=en&start=1&sig2=ABMBV_Y701a-N3Cowyl9pA&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=5lkLekOxNeqaeM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=131&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfederal%2Bspending%2Bposter%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=-jHjS__QJoeqNs_z0bcC
― confederacy-themed bumper sticker enthusiast (will), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link
oh wait, better: http://www.deathandtaxesposter.com/
― confederacy-themed bumper sticker enthusiast (will), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
ok maybe not :/
― confederacy-themed bumper sticker enthusiast (will), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I assume the interest portion is larger in 2010 but don't know offhand. The entitlements are also a wildcard given that none of the proposed cuts in Medicare have passed, let alone their status each of the next ten years. Also, the interest payments could change given other economic conditions (inflation, deflation, changes in monetary/fiscal policy, etc.)
― Obama is awesome, awesome, awesome (Dandy Don Weiner), Thursday, 6 May 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppEJ8r7bQ2o
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Get's good at 1.10.
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link
SMH
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link
i always wondered what happened to wolfman jack
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link
It's the "as far as I know" part that amuses me.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
"American policies have the least redistributive effect of any first-world country on the planet"http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-schaller-socialism-20100518,0,454344,full.column"What else would you expect from a relatively small, mildly redistributive government in a society where 'who's your daddy' matters more than it does in most of the rest of the first world?"
― kamerad, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 12:48 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/whats-ben-gonna-do
― Aren't there some GOP msg boards I can post on? (Dandy Don Weiner), Thursday, 24 June 2010 11:39 (thirteen years ago) link
If the premise of that article is correct, that deflation is inevitable, then it makes a certain amount of sense. Lord knows, the implosion of mortgage-backed CDOs in late 2008 evaporated more than the few trillions that Bernanke has magically created to reflate the economy.
As I see it, we have already missed the chance to do what the logic of the doctrinaire free-marketers demanded we do, namely let the banking system collapse under the weight of its own accumulated greed and foolishness. This, of course, would have led to wreckage far beyond what anyone could accept. So, the purist free-market solution is already a non-starter.
Where we are today is only marginally better. We've bailed out the mega-banks and we've failed to make them pay the correct price. Now, one reason the banks were so eager to pay back their TARP obligations was to obfuscate what constituted that price, by making it appear that it was simply a matter of a few tens of billions of dollars. It wasn't. The correct price was re-regulation and a thorough housecleaning. Bad debts exposed and taken off the books as assets. Forced bankruptcy and new management. That was the correct course. It still is.
I hate to say it, but the Democrats hold the keys to the government and they could be doing the right things to solve this. They will be majorly to blame when their timidity and capitulation to the banks steers us into even more dire straits than we are in today.
― Aimless, Thursday, 24 June 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
would like to draw everyone's attention to this disturbing trend: http://christwire.org/2010/07/with-unemployment-benefits-extended-rates-of-domestic-masturbation-and-sodomy-are-poised-to-skyrocket/
― selected ambient worker (another al3x), Friday, 30 July 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i've been wondering a lot lately about the underlying problems with the economy (not the unemployment benefits/masturbation and sodomy-link). i was recently talking with a smart and accomplished friend of mine, who has been (somewhat by choice) out-of-work for a few years. he is somewhat sympathetic toward tea-partiers and survivalists; though, to be clear, he isn't part of either group. we saw a cnn story on survivalists storing canned goods, water and weapons. i asked "what exactly are they preparing for?" he said, basically, "idk, but these groups are full of guys who aren't bums. they want to work. years ago, they'd graduate high-school, and get a good job. now they can't. and they're angry and disoriented about it." i guess all that's obvious, but as i say, it got me wondering.
when the economy has legitimately boomed in the past, it was supported by one or more big industries, e.g., steel, coal, automobile-manufacturing. but many of those jobs have been shifted outside the united states or been eliminated through technological developments (indeed, whole industries have withered). so what can take their place, creating a sustainable future for the group my friend mentions? the group that isn't going to college, but wants to work. i've said before that i think -- maybe hope -- that green technology and energy, smart cars, and other emerging technology might fill this gap. my uncle thinks that there's no reason we can't thrive in the medical research and technology areas.
anyway, obviously i have no conclusive answers. i don't believe the answer, or the right attitude, is to say "we're in inevitable decline." but i wonder what planning the administration has done to try and drive the economy to where it really needs to go (instead of a stopgap solution).
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 30 July 2010 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE WATCHED ALL THOSE ALEX JONES AS THE JOKER VIDEO CLIPS THIS EVENING.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 30 July 2010 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Just maybe!
But the question is an intelligent one regardless.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2010 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
why is the us bureau of labor statistics monitoring my masturbation
http://i30.tinypic.com/29f6yoy.jpg
― baby i know that you think i'm just a lion (schlump), Friday, 30 July 2010 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been wondering what our government has been doing to help our economy as well. And I'm not just saying this because I'm a republican because I ain't a republican. But all I hear is doom and gloom for our economic future. Even the CBO is pumping out gloomy info and they tend to have slightly more optimistic predictions
― @( * O * )@ (CaptainLorax), Friday, 30 July 2010 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
daniel esq I have been wondering the same thing lately and have come to pretty much the same conclusions. what's a blue collar guy gonna do in a world like this?
― dyao, Friday, 30 July 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
in some ways i think the administration had it exactly right: large-scale infrastructure projects and research grants -- even financed by foreign debt -- is a great means of jump-starting the economy short term. it can create many jobs at once, putting people into useful positions (e.g., america's roads and highways were badly in need of repair), which will pump funds bottom-up, leading to more taxable income. and i still suspect the impact of those projects has yet to be felt. but those are only temporary measures. you still need a thriving industry for future prosperity (and to create the wealth that will generate a need for other services in the community, which is where even more jobs would be created).
ford's introducing the volt. this is the kind of innovation that i think (maybe "hope" is the better word) that could revitalize the economy in a sustainable way. right now, the car will cost 41K, but they're just seeding the market. the price will come down soon.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 30 July 2010 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
don't think cars and roads are the answer
― iatee, Friday, 30 July 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i really was using the volt by way of example, not ultimate solution. i see your point.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 30 July 2010 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
lets bring back guilds and apprentices
― max, Friday, 30 July 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
not really for economic reasons, just cause i like the middle ages
you ever read that book "the year 1000" max? the chapter on what a city must have smelled like then was awesome
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
you probably get used to it
― max, Friday, 30 July 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a cool if not super-challenging book is more my point
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i can read challenging books dude
― max, Friday, 30 July 2010 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
are you intentionally misreading me to make me paranoid if so you are succeeding I just meant the book is kinda cool but it doesn't really go super-deep on stuff
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ rather a challenge to tease "you are suggesting I can't read challenging books" out of this tho
I was saying like I imagine a fair bit of what you read is advanced-level stuff, this book I'm talking about which I now deeply & painfully regret bringing up is more popular-history-for-the-talk-show-circuit stuff but is kinda interesting for all that
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
in that respect it is probably similar to 'a world lit only by fire' and 'the last apocalypse' which are popular histories abt the same topic--the grim reality of the middle ages.
― not everything is a campfire (ian), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know if "blue collar" as we've known it for two hundred years will survive. The natural process of extinction that began during the Carter and Reagan administrations -- when deregulation and globalization were in their nascent phases -- is almost finished.
― balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 July 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
this is an interesting discussion.folks who say the british drank so much gin because the drinking water was polluted by waste etc. xp