2008 Primaries Thread

Yes, I think that's right - although I think the purpose in the earliest states to grant women suffrage was to get enough population to achieve statehood.

At the same time, how long was it that black men had the right to vote, but were counted as 3/5 of a person?

(I can't figure out if Steinem's argument is deliberately disingenuous or just blatantly stupid)

the headline sez it all

did some western states like wyoming have woman's suffrage 40 or 50 years before th 19th amendment?

Hmm, yes, it appears they did. Interesting.

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By the end of the nineteenth century, Idaho, Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming had enfranchised women after an extreme amount of effort by the suffrage associations at the state level.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage

jeb are you seriously stating that people are choosing not to vote for HRC because they are secretly indulging in some submerged woman hatin'? what the fuck. that's not an "obvious matter of fact" so much as just... asinine.

why has everything i've read about either race or gender in this race seemed out and out creepy, at best? "omg the one guy is BLACK and the woman is a WOMAN holy shit there's something going on here has anyone noticed this??"

i'm about to discount everyone who's ever mentioned either at this point

but cynthia mckinney is black and a woman so she wins i guess

Interesting fundraising news on the Obama front... a funraising event was planned two weeks ago. This was the email sent out:

Dear Friends,

At this very time last year, I was asking many of you to participate in Senator Obama's first Presidential fundraiser here in New York. I want to ask for your help again, to Welcome Back Barack! Senator Obama will come straight from New Hampshire on Wednesday, January 9th to spend an evening with New York supporters at the Grand Hyatt. Last night, Iowans proved that America is ready for Change We Can Believe In. Be a part of the Obama movement so we can continue to spread the message, build the campaign, and fend off Republican attacks in the very near future. If you join the Sponsor reception, I will gladly introduce you to the next President of the United States, Senator Barack Obama, there will be a photo line there as well. Details can be found below and please click the link to contribute. See you on Wednesday!

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/nyhyatt?custom1=Arthur%20...

$500: General Reception
$1000: Question and Answer Reception
$2300: Photo and Chat Reception

All the very best,

Arthur

This was followed up by the following email today, indicating an surplus of big-money donors:

http://www.observer.com/files/imagecache/article/files/OBAMAEMAIL.JPG

can we discuss how graceless Bill Clinton looks when facing impending doom?

those wwe pictures, otm, i keep expecting hhh to bust from behind the curtains in that video

basically bill clinton u mad

what's going on with mccain?

oh um cnn.com confused me plz ignore

wow yea what was up with that bill video? he sounds horrible, and not very coherent.

Well, his plans ever since January of 2001 have been to live in the White House again one day and now, after a year of being convinced it would be a sure thing, he now has to fuss and squirm like a grumpy little baby who isn't getting his way.

i think he might just be sick?

SICK OF THE 22ND AMENDMENT

terrifying graph of candidates' net worth

omg

he's like the jolly greenback giant

HO HO HO
MITT ROMNEY

that's just as scary as romney_fudge.jpg

elmo can you tinypic that? bandwidth exceeded

xposta at the net worth thin - lol! b/c i am at work i'm on this huge widescreen monitor - flipped vertically, so i rarely have to scroll up or down. i just get this huge 16-inch smiling romney!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/08/candidates_net_wealth_small.jpg

damn it. here's the link to the andrew sullivan post with the graph:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/01/the-candidates.html

uh oh dr edward tufte to thread! shitty misleading graph!

Another fun graph!

Damn, Romney should have just paid off our deficit and said "Look bitches. Vote for me" and it would have worked.

I don't understand Obama's 2nd place showing in the Sicko graph, given the campaign's claim that he's not taking any lobbyist/PAC money.

also wicked bad job shopping those heads on - totes fun tho lol heug romney!

Contributions from the Health Industry - 2008 Election Cycle
HMOs, pharmaceutical companies, physicians and other health professionals. is key, i think.

so, doctors basically

seeing as how unions, corporations, and banks can't contribute

if a nurse gives obama money, it presumably goes on the chart. just like if a first-year analyst at an investment bank gives him money, it's a 'corporate contribution'.

and hey wow the two candidates raising the most cash raised the most from "the health industry"

astronomical turnout today, some polling stations are requesting additional ballots (particularly democratic primary ballots)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/08/559115.aspx

amazing how they give the most money to the people they think have the best chance of winning

yah the problem w/trying to divine too much from presidential contributions is corporate money tends to go toward the front runners regardless - unlike congressional campaigns where some candidates are explicitly owned by certain industries.

Is there anyway I can see the lolhueg Romney graph in larger form?

is there anyway i can get my romney in lol life-size cutout form?

Is there anyway I can buy Romney?

if u can make him president of the united states of america he'll do whatever u want

I finally figured out who Romney reminds me of, and I think it's fudge.jpg that did it: Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

GiantRomney is kind of hysterical!

http://modeshift.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/romney.jpg

He looks a bit like Vince McMahon, I never noticed that before.

that pic makes mitt look like an action figure, with little toy microphone and karate chopping hand

ASK A MITT ROMNEY

it is just because he's currently outside of the "clinton falters while obama surges" storyline, or has john edwards been that much less visible in the past few days? after he sided with obama at the debates, he just got swept under the rug, didn't he?

I wonder what that net worth chart would look like with Bloomberg on it.

Elmo, read Glenn Greenwald on the Edwards "disappearance."