Inquiry into child abuse at Catholic institutions in Ireland

braggin 2010

"His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI has accepted the resignation of the Most Reverend John Magee, Bishop of Cloyne. This announcement was made today in Rome at 12:00 local time."

only took a year to mull this over too!

http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/images/guiness-ad-good-things-come-to-those-who-wait1.jpg

*applause*

heh i think guinness are trying to pull away from controversial advertising choices tbh

(they've moved away from 'guinness is good for you' this week, and have stopped the free pint to blood donors)

just <3 this racist sexist homophobic patriarchy!

god is love yall!

ya they are d best imo

http://www.morethings.com/music/sinead/sinead_oconnor_pictures/snl_1992war-pope/saturday_night_live10-3-1992sinead_occonor-war-pope85.jpg

'Ireland's KGB'

ireland's KGB are FF tbh

^^^

church are the politburo, maybe.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7065824.ece

not ireland, but here is an article about the catholic church's complicity in child abuse credited to "roger boyes"

loooooool

^ seconded. I mean, really?!

oh dear

his editor is s. odom-ladd

Peadar Astí is their Gailge correspondent

gaeilge. 13 fucking years of it as a core language and i can't even spell it.

i feel no national pride, apart from say sport related....ireland, jesus.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032502363.html?hpid=topnews

Email address at the bottom!

To Sinead O'Connor, Pope Benedict's apology for church sex abuse rings hollow

Why you, I oughta...

mikeglossy wrote:
If Sinead O'Connor is so passionate about this she should send a letter to Obama and his accomplices in Washington. Obamacare makes it possible for pedophiles and sex perverts to get Free Viagra complements of tax payers. I bet the WP in bed with Obama wouldn't print that letter would you, leftists WP?
3/26/2010 11:17:11 AM

Roger Boyes, tut tut!
I think that's worth a £1 just on it's own.

just ugh

jeez

davidabsalom

1 Apr 2010, 3:53PM

Donohue wants it to be an argument about paedophilia or homosexuality. It draws attention away from the real issue: the victims were in the care of the church and its officials and the church did all it could to protect the abusers.

that is what homosexuals do though, right? get raped by priests when they're 12? it's a lifestyle choice, i got no sympathy for those guys.

this fuck was on the last word (Irish national radio current affairs programme) after the printing of the cloynes/dublin archdiocese reports, and it was about the only time i've heard the host just give up on a guest and pull the plug.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8601084.stm

Oh and an apology to scottish victims of abuse
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8600595.stm

http://www.eoinbutler.com/home/isnt-sinead-oconnor-overdue-a-massive-grovelling-apology-from-absolutely-everybody/

also ice cold from beardy: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04/03/world/AP-EU-Church-Abuse.html?_r=1&hp

that sinead o'connor op-ed is OTM

As recently as 2007, 98 percent of Irish schools were run by the Catholic Church.

wha???!?!?! does that mean most irish kids are forced to learn catechism and stuff?

i only know a couple ppl that didn't go to catholic school

''I was speaking to an Irish friend recently who was saying that it's quite difficult in some parts of Ireland to go down the street wearing a clerical collar now,'' Williams told the BBC. ''And an institution so deeply bound into the life of a society, suddenly becoming, suddenly losing all credibility -- that's not just a problem for the church, it is a problem for everybody in Ireland, I think.''

how true is this? are catholic priests rly despised by a plurality of people?

its odd. i was talking to my mum a couple of weeks ago. those big chats yknow, 'do you believe in god etc.' nothing i would ever approach her with before cos i always thought 'ah well shes set in her ways and whatever' but theres a simmering resentment against the way the catholic church had kept her generation so firmly under its thumb. she HAD to go to mass back in the day no matter what and now she feels why bother? she feels cheated. i dont think theres a hatred against priests though. the parish priest in our diocese is a very decent bloke for example but she was telling me about certain priests when she was growing up who wouldnt even even look at regular folk. they would only consort with the local chermist or doctor. same guy became a bishop or some bullshit. like i said she feels duped, i dont think parish priests are living in fear right now, a bit of an exaggeration i think.

that's the sort of traditional 'there's good and bad' thinking you'd expect

that quote is interesting, 'difficult go down the street' suggests fear but then i doubt priests are being randomly and publically abused very often

could it be shame?

can u link to where that quote came from?

Parish Priest! to thread

the nytimes link from caek above

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04/03/world/AP-EU-Church-Abuse.html?_r=1&hp

how true is this? are catholic priests rly despised by a plurality of people?

nah as michael says people are very pissed off at church hierarchy and procedures, but they're not abusing/projecting on to their parish priests or anything.

And an institution so deeply bound into the life of a society, suddenly becoming, suddenly losing all credibility -- that's not just a problem for the church, it is a problem for everybody in Ireland, I think

rong. the church isn't a big part of irish life for anyone i know within ten years of my own age. this guy and basically anyone over maybe 40 is just either oblivious or kidding themselves, but the church is finished in ireland save participation in social rituals such as weddings, christenings, funerals what have you. the break from the educational lock they have at the moment is coming soon i think, and once it becomes something that parents will have to make a conscious effort to introduce their children into that'll be that. they're a service industry catering to an aging and unreplaced market.

that's great to hear

how will the education system be reformed?

as in that seems sort of difficult if they still run most of the schools

be lying if i told you i knew much more than it's an ongoing movement- atm there's choice in the secondary school system to the tune of maybe 50/50 (at a guess) between catholic-ethos-nominally-but-state-run and maybe the likes of christian brothers/nuns schools. the big movement for reform is coming in the national school system, where it must be well over 90% catholic-run.

this is just an indicator, but i'm sure there's been official movement on this in the past while:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0125/1224263035014.html

thanks

i'm no good at parsing searches this time of night on bank holiday weekends, but it shouldn't be difficult to get better information for yourself tbh.