welp thats crystal swing explained
― am0n, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 03:55 (fourteen years ago) link
In May 1999 the Irish Taoiseach Bertie Ahern apologized for an overall lack of supervision and funding by past Irish governments. Despite the eminent position of the church in Irish society, suing it (as in the case of Sean Fortune) was found to be equivalent to suing any club or social group. In 2002 his government agreed to take on €128 million in church property and investments and in return it would pay compensation to all church abuse victims, so that bankruptcy could be avoided. This deal was estimated to cost over €1 billion to Irish taxpayers of all religions, and the relevant minister, Michael Woods, was criticized by some for undue leniency to the church.[15] Criminal actions could still be brought separately against alleged abusers. However out of the 100 allegations there have been only five criminal convictions
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 03:58 (fourteen years ago) link
these abuses seem to be considered as institutional failings and for sure there is a lot of anticlerical disgust but little acknowledgement of the psychopathology inherent in catholic dogma
it's very easy for people to be scathing about the church whilst really being quite accepting of its place in public life
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 11:49 (fourteen years ago) link
psychopathology inherent in catholic dogma
in what way?
― NotEnough, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 13:27 (fourteen years ago) link
"I also apologise to all those who feel I have let them down."
Not "I also apologise to all those who I have let down". Bastard.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
That use of "feel" is so typical of politicians/ public figures who don't really want to apologise but have to for the sake of their careers
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I've been known to use it as well when I don't feel responsible for the criticisms of others, but then I didn't facilitate the rape of children.
― Ask foreigners and they will tell you the gospel comes from America. (Laurel), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link
braggin 2010
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link
"His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI has accepted the resignation of the Most Reverend John Magee, Bishop of Cloyne. This announcement was made today in Rome at 12:00 local time."
only took a year to mull this over too!
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:48 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/images/guiness-ad-good-things-come-to-those-who-wait1.jpg
― Allbran Burg (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link
*applause*
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link
heh i think guinness are trying to pull away from controversial advertising choices tbh
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:56 (fourteen years ago) link
(they've moved away from 'guinness is good for you' this week, and have stopped the free pint to blood donors)
just <3 this racist sexist homophobic patriarchy!
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link
god is love yall!
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:04 (fourteen years ago) link
ya they are d best imo
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.morethings.com/music/sinead/sinead_oconnor_pictures/snl_1992war-pope/saturday_night_live10-3-1992sinead_occonor-war-pope85.jpg
― Allbran Burg (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
'Ireland's KGB'
― Michael B, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:25 (fourteen years ago) link
ireland's KGB are FF tbh
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:27 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
church are the politburo, maybe.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7065824.ece
not ireland, but here is an article about the catholic church's complicity in child abuse credited to "roger boyes"
― joe, Friday, 26 March 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link
loooooool
― Obama, Wellstone and Darwinfish, Attorneys (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 26 March 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link
^ seconded. I mean, really?!
― ailsa, Friday, 26 March 2010 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link
oh dear
― Jermaine Jenason (darraghmac), Friday, 26 March 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link
his editor is s. odom-ladd
― velko, Friday, 26 March 2010 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Peadar Astí is their Gailge correspondent
― Jermaine Jenason (darraghmac), Friday, 26 March 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago) link
gaeilge. 13 fucking years of it as a core language and i can't even spell it.
― Jermaine Jenason (darraghmac), Friday, 26 March 2010 00:45 (fourteen years ago) link
i feel no national pride, apart from say sport related....ireland, jesus.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 26 March 2010 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032502363.html?hpid=topnews
Email address at the bottom!
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 26 March 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
To Sinead O'Connor, Pope Benedict's apology for church sex abuse rings hollow
Why you, I oughta...
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Friday, 26 March 2010 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link
mikeglossy wrote:If Sinead O'Connor is so passionate about this she should send a letter to Obama and his accomplices in Washington. Obamacare makes it possible for pedophiles and sex perverts to get Free Viagra complements of tax payers. I bet the WP in bed with Obama wouldn't print that letter would you, leftists WP?3/26/2010 11:17:11 AM
― velko, Friday, 26 March 2010 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Roger Boyes, tut tut!I think that's worth a £1 just on it's own.
― not_goodwin, Friday, 26 March 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
just ugh
― egregious apostrophising (schlump), Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link
jeez
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 1 April 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
davidabsalom1 Apr 2010, 3:53PMDonohue wants it to be an argument about paedophilia or homosexuality. It draws attention away from the real issue: the victims were in the care of the church and its officials and the church did all it could to protect the abusers.
1 Apr 2010, 3:53PM
Donohue wants it to be an argument about paedophilia or homosexuality. It draws attention away from the real issue: the victims were in the care of the church and its officials and the church did all it could to protect the abusers.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 1 April 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
that is what homosexuals do though, right? get raped by priests when they're 12? it's a lifestyle choice, i got no sympathy for those guys.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 April 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link
this fuck was on the last word (Irish national radio current affairs programme) after the printing of the cloynes/dublin archdiocese reports, and it was about the only time i've heard the host just give up on a guest and pull the plug.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 April 2010 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8601084.stm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 2 April 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh and an apology to scottish victims of abuse http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8600595.stm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 2 April 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.eoinbutler.com/home/isnt-sinead-oconnor-overdue-a-massive-grovelling-apology-from-absolutely-everybody/
― caek, Saturday, 3 April 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
also ice cold from beardy: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04/03/world/AP-EU-Church-Abuse.html?_r=1&hp
― caek, Saturday, 3 April 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
that sinead o'connor op-ed is OTM
― Earning your Masters in Library and Information Science is beautiful (schlump), Saturday, 3 April 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link
As recently as 2007, 98 percent of Irish schools were run by the Catholic Church.
wha???!?!?! does that mean most irish kids are forced to learn catechism and stuff?
― by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 3 April 2010 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i only know a couple ppl that didn't go to catholic school
― plax (ico), Saturday, 3 April 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
''I was speaking to an Irish friend recently who was saying that it's quite difficult in some parts of Ireland to go down the street wearing a clerical collar now,'' Williams told the BBC. ''And an institution so deeply bound into the life of a society, suddenly becoming, suddenly losing all credibility -- that's not just a problem for the church, it is a problem for everybody in Ireland, I think.''
how true is this? are catholic priests rly despised by a plurality of people?
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link
its odd. i was talking to my mum a couple of weeks ago. those big chats yknow, 'do you believe in god etc.' nothing i would ever approach her with before cos i always thought 'ah well shes set in her ways and whatever' but theres a simmering resentment against the way the catholic church had kept her generation so firmly under its thumb. she HAD to go to mass back in the day no matter what and now she feels why bother? she feels cheated. i dont think theres a hatred against priests though. the parish priest in our diocese is a very decent bloke for example but she was telling me about certain priests when she was growing up who wouldnt even even look at regular folk. they would only consort with the local chermist or doctor. same guy became a bishop or some bullshit. like i said she feels duped, i dont think parish priests are living in fear right now, a bit of an exaggeration i think.
― Michael B, Sunday, 4 April 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
that's the sort of traditional 'there's good and bad' thinking you'd expect
that quote is interesting, 'difficult go down the street' suggests fear but then i doubt priests are being randomly and publically abused very often
could it be shame?
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 4 April 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link
can u link to where that quote came from?
― Michael B, Sunday, 4 April 2010 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Parish Priest! to thread
― jabba hands, Sunday, 4 April 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago) link