2008 Primaries Thread

i mean, marc cooper does the same "constant bile all around" schtick -- he's not fan of democrats. but he's actually an indespensible reporter on a number of topics (immigration, the southwest, NA gambling, LA, etc etc) and he's done shit beside run a crabby blog! like...escape from pinochet

you should read cooper, morbz, you'd like him probably

(xpost) hahahaha okay that's true

paul supporters tell hannity that fox sux.

all they need is pitchforks.

Can we go back to Kristin Chenowith stepping off of McCain's bus?

lols

I subscribe to The Nation, I've read Marc Cooper.

My hope died somewhere around 1984, just pity me. And take note of the date when "MORBZ WUZ RIGHT!" breaks through the clouds. (it might be during the debate where McCain and Obama both vow to renew the USA PATRIOT Act)

should i be skeptical of joe klein?

there was a controversy over a klein column on fisa. i tried figuring out what that was all about, but i was too lazy. glen greenwald called him out though and greenwald is super thorough and even-handed (and long-winded).

did i miss the lols upthread at the o'reilly/secret service scuffle?

that was gold

Joe Klein should teach a master's class on hackdom.

I assume someone already posted a McCain/Wilford Brimley photo. (Wilford is about Chuck Norris' age, anyway...)

Paul supporters chasing Hannity = funny
Paul supporters appearing to be exclusively twenty-something yr old males = equally funny

there was a whole lot of funny going on in that clip.

will Hannity whine about the violation of his Constitutional rights?

Hannity will whine about the violation of his constitutional walk

there was a controversy over a klein column on fisa.

yeah he wrote some column in Time saying the democrats' plan on FISA was to require a court order to wiretap every foreign terrorist, tie law enforcement's hands etc etc ..... the whole thing was wildly RONG and it came out that the information was fed to him by Hoekstra (gop hack)

Klein sucks

and for days he not only stuck to his story, but accused critics of "partisanship."

yeah and klein is still on CNN all the Time as a talking head

how can that be? what kind of trust does 'joe klein' deserve?

lol u mad

anyway, ok joe klein blows!

obama carrying on diplomacy while campaigning, does not blow.

I think Dick Morris is proof enough that there is no such thing as a "discredited" pundit. (Not that Cokie, Sam, George etc have an iota more credibility.)

how can that be? what kind of trust does 'joe klein' deserve?

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, January 8, 2008 5:15 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

are you being facetious here or what? i have no idea what three quarters of your posts mean

thats how i roll!

i have no idea what three quarters of your postsILX mean

well it makes reading your posts a delight (xpost)

see what i did there?

I guess Gloria Steinem's been waiting for Hillary to fall behind in the polls, so she could write an op-ed like this:

Women Are Never Front-Runners

Gender is probably the most restricting force in American life, whether the question is who must be in the kitchen or who could be in the White House. This country is way down the list of countries electing women and, according to one study, it polarizes gender roles more than the average democracy.

That’s why the Iowa primary was following our historical pattern of making change. Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot, and generally have ascended to positions of power, from the military to the boardroom, before any women (with the possible exception of obedient family members in the latter).

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/7317/thumbs/r-HILLARYPRIMARIES-huge.jpg

Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot

who the fuck is she kidding

I always feel weird reading complaints about black men gaining social status before women. It seems to tread reeeeeeally close to crypto-racism.

Black suffrage - 1870
Women's suffrage - 1920

Care to dispute this timeline?

um, jim crow?

yeah all that 'civil rights' stuff, what were they on about

While what Glo-ri-ah says on enfranchisement is LITERALLY true, it's yet another instance of liberal my-suffering-is-bigger-than-yrs crapola.

Morbs otm

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everyone thought that the women's vote would END ALL WAR and we can see how that idea played out

zzzzzzz

is she gunning to be HRC's Secretary of Defense?

I say she's gunning for "galpal"

I’m supporting Senator Clinton because ... she also has an unprecedented eight years of on-the-job training in the White House

oh plz, so very lame

Steinem in a-lady-should-be-well-married Jane Austen move!

speaking of sexism and hillary

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/7224/thumbs/s-IRON-large.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjS8_WWhjao

haha

Irrelevant, but it should be posted:

http://memosphere.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/fancyfred.jpg

http://i7.tinypic.com/6l9lxde.jpg

From an online biography of Frederick Douglass:

Black voters came out strongly for the Republicans in the 1868 elections, helping Grant win the presidency. With Grant in office, the Fifteenth Amendment passed through Congress and was submitted to the states for ratification. This amendment guaranteed all citizens the right to vote, regardless of their race. Douglass's push for state approval of the amendment caused a breach between him and the woman suffragists, who were upset that the measure did not include voting rights for woman. Old friends such as Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton accused Douglass of abandoning the cause of women's rights. At the annual meeting of the Equal Rights Association in May 1869, Douglass tried to persuade the woman suffragists that voting rights for blacks must be won immediately, while women could afford to wait. "When women because they are women are dragged from their homes and hung upon lampposts, .....then they will have the urgency to obtain the ballot," said Douglass. One of the women in the crowd cried out, "Is that not also true about black women?" "Yes, yes," Douglass replied, "but not because she is a woman but because she is black." The women in the audience were not convinced by Douglass's argument, and some of them even spoke out against black suffrage. Douglass's relationship with the woman suffragists eventually healed, but women would not receive the right to vote until 1920.

Woodrow Wilson: "Why would women want the vote? Aren't they supposed to be smarter than us?

Epic Turnout would be a nice drag name

Care to dispute this timeline?

Well, of course not. I am a feminist, I just think the whole "see? even BLACK PEOPLE have more rights than women now!!!" routine is a bit weird. And it's usually brought up (as it was in this case) when comparing the two is really unnecessary.

nate since you seem to be a robot, yes, i know black men voted during reconstruction.