― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 15:57 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link
It seems like he's the number one guy to call when you need someone to direct a "weird" film. Him or Terry Gilliam.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link
"Mars Attacks" was fun but ultimately terrible.
"Vincent" and "Frankenweenie" are both pretty neat, though.
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link
― erico b. rakimington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:01 (twenty years ago) link
I saw the trailer for Big Fish and it looks pretty good, like about a Billy Liar-esque character on his deathbed (also what makes me come back to Billy Liar is the obscene resemblance between Tom Courtenay and Ewan McGregor).
Classic: Pee-Wee, Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare before Christmas, Ed Wood, Batman, Beetlejuice
Not-so-classic: Sleepy hollow, James and the Giant Peach, Mars Attacks
Utter dud: Planet of the Apes. God. Make me gag.
― Mandee (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Skottie, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link
oh come off it! batman is way better than 'ed wood'; and anyway -- eww with the hollywood romanticism! it's all bidness baby!
― enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:17 (twenty years ago) link
― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link
― kephm, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link
― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:25 (twenty years ago) link
― kephm, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:32 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link
no, you're not: i always figured this was the general consensus (the "oh the early stuff is always best!" hipster trope notwithstanding)
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link
Hitchcock and Herrmann might have something to say about that. Or Leone and Morricone. Or...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:03 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link
xpost
― kephm, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:05 (twenty years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Mandee (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link
― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link
Dud or Mediocre: everything else
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:31 (twenty years ago) link
The Terry Gilliam comparison's pretty interesting: Gilliam worked his way back into being allowed to write his own material after directing Twelve Monkeys/The Fisher King, and then blew it in one film (Fear and Loathing), and became box office poison (Lost in La Mancha), though now he's directing The Brothers Grimm (Heath Ledger/Matt Damon!) and Good Omens, both for next year. I don't know why Tim Burton gets more breaks.
! Ed Wood never got a film/director Oscar Nomination?
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
Fucking NO. Martin Landau did pick up an Oscar for best supporting actor -- I think deserved, though Samuel Jackson (this was the year of Pulp Fiction, remember) admitted he was sorta bored by Ed Wood and wished he'd won! Can't blame him!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link
thus no oscars
As noted, one Oscar.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link
maybe there are rights complications that have prevented it from being released on dvd?
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:50 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:20 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:18 (twenty years ago) link
ARAGAHDFASDFBAFA.
I think your duty is to ensure good people have access to this fine product.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:22 (twenty years ago) link
pee wee's big adventure is his best
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link
sleepy hollow tbh
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Friday, 29 March 2019 22:57 (five years ago) link
oh yeah let's do this again
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 March 2019 00:38 (five years ago) link
I still have trouble believing this movie exists.
― adam the (abanana), Sunday, 31 March 2019 09:52 (five years ago) link
idk i just don’t really need to see dumbo reimagined with humans? the trailers have left me p cold so far, i think will skip & wait til this one is streaming
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 March 2019 15:38 (five years ago) link
Disney’s obsession with maintaining its ip is a helluva drug
― mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 31 March 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link
Yeah, the notion of watching any of Disney's live-action photocopies is pretty unappealing, but the participation of late-period Burton is just rancid icing on the shitty cake.
― A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Sunday, 31 March 2019 16:10 (five years ago) link
the Jungle Book remake was surprisingly good, beauty & the beast was ok, but both of those i also waited til they were streaming to watch. i have no desire to see them in the theaterthe whole idea of this series of remakes is just kinda weird to me
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 March 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link
Disney-qua-Disney has done almost nothing but remakes and sequels for years now. I don't know what's up with that but I agree that it's weird.
― A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Sunday, 31 March 2019 16:20 (five years ago) link
I'm reading The Big Picture by Ben Fritz on why the mainstream movie landscape has changed. Disney did research and figured out that movies that cost over $100M are less risky than others. Also Disney is not in the movie business, but the movie brand business, and audiences like knowing what they'll see before they see it. Bob Iger likes Apple and Fritz likens Disney films to Apple: they only release a few new versions of old products every year, and not many complain about it.
― adam the (abanana), Sunday, 31 March 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
Does the 101 Dalmatians live action series pre-date this project or were they the first?
When pondering what might come of 90s nostalgia, I kept thinking about the popularity of films with either children or animals messing up people or disrupting someone's life. Home Alone, Baby's Day Out, 3 Ninjas, Beethoven, K9, Turner & Hooch. Arguably John Candy and Rodney Dangerfield have also served this purpose a bit earlier.
I caught a bit of 102 Dalmatians recently and it seems like the apotheosis of this. Glen Close is served humiliation after humiliation. Like someone saw Beethoven, was thrilled by Charles Grodin's cries of disgust and wanted to top that exquisite high.
Amuses me to imagine a generation making a wave of films trying to take this as far as possible. Horses Fucking Up Your Golf Course, Ducks Shit All Over Your Garden Party, Skunks At A Business Merger etc
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 31 March 2019 17:16 (five years ago) link
Not sure if the upcoming Cruella movie is a remake of a remake or a sequel of a remake, sure to be a hoot either way.
― A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Sunday, 31 March 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
this is just an update of Disney's core policy since their first feature film in 1937 though
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs - based on an 1812 fairy talePinocchio (1940) - based on an 1881 Italian serialFantasia (1940) - The Sorceror's Apprentice based on a 1797 German poemThe Reluctant Dragon (1941) - based on an 1898 Scottish short storyDumbo (1941) - based on a 1939 story & toy that tbf never came outBambi (1942) - based on a 1923 Austrian book[USA finally enters WWII so there's a gap here]Song of the South (1946) - based on 1881 version of "African-American" folk talesThe Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949) - one based on a 1908 Scottish novel, one on an 1820 American short storyCinderella (1950) - based on the 1697 French version of a folk taleAlice in Wonderland (1951) - based on an 1865 English novelPeter Pan (1953) - based on a 1904 Scottish playLady and the Tramp (1955) - started as an original story by a Disney work-for-hire guy!!! but then Walt bought a short from a 1945 issue of Cosmopolitan and told them to adapt thatSleeping Beauty (1959) - based on a fairy tale, especially the version by the same dude as CinderellaOne Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961) - based on a 1956 English novelThe Sword in the Stone (1963) - based on the 1938 novel that imagined the childhood version of a folk mythThe Jungle Book (1967) - based on the 1893-94 series of storiesThe Aristocats (1970) - commissioned by Walt in 1961 as two live-action TV adaptations of animal stories, any animal stories, just by GOD don't you dare come up with an original story. Story treatment bought in 1962 for a live-action feature. Approved by Walt to be an animated feature in 1963. Rewritten many times, evidently for the worse, but still ends up as Disney's first original animated feature imo.Robin Hood (1973) - based on the English medieval legend and also on French medieval legend Reynard The Fox and also on a dropped storyline from The AristocatsWinnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree (1966), Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day (1968), Winnie the Pooh and Tigger Too (1974) and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) - straight-up stolen from E.H. Shephard and the family of A.A. Milne, who have still not received any royalties as Disney sadly have not managed to make any single short, feature, anthology, TV series, toy, T-shirt, child's cutlery or any other merchandise that has made a profit. It's so sweet that out of the goodness of their hearts, they keep selling more!The Rescuers (1977) - based on a series of British novels, 1959-1978The Fox and the Hound (1981) - based on a 1967 American novelThe Black Cauldron (1985) - based on 1964-65 American novels that were based on Welsh mythologyThe Great Mouse Detective (1986) - based on the Basil Of Baker Street novels (1958-82) Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) - based on 1981 American novel Who Censored Roger Rabbit?Oliver & Company (1988) - what if 1837 Dickens, but dogs The Little Mermaid (1989) - what if 1837 Andersen, but with a penis on the VHS coverDuckTales the Movie (1990) - what if TV adaptation of 1952-70s Barks, but movie The Rescuers Down Under (1990) - what if Rescuers, but down under (but all the voices are American and Canadian and English and Welsh and Norwegian) Beauty and the Beast (1991) - based on French fairy taleAladdin (1992) - based on middle eastern folk tale added to a French version of The One Thousand And One Nights in 1710The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993) - based on a 1982 poem written by Tim Burton while he was work-for-hire at DisneyThe Lion King (1994) - feverishly promoted as The First All-Original Disney Animated Feature EVARRR!!!! but was totally ripped off of Tezuka's Kimba The White Lion (manga 1950-54, rip-off derived from 52-part anime, 1965-66)A Goofy Movie (1995) - movie version of 1992 TV version of 1932-infinity Disney shorts+etc character Pocahontas (1995) - thoroughly-researched biopic James and the Giant Peach (1996) - based on 1961 English novelThe Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996) - based on 1831 French novelHercules (1997) - based on Greek mythMulan (1998) - based on C6th Chinese balladTarzan (1999) - based on 1912 American serial Fantasia 2000 (2000) - what if Fantasia, but 2000
and then the 21st century is mostly sequels and TV adaptations and more fairy tales and what if King Lear, except bear? and what if song, but long? except for Wreck-It Ralph, which stands as the second original Disney animated feature ever. (Honorable mention to Bolt, where John Lasseter moved over from Pixar and fired the writer/director of an original film and told his new employees to remake it to his own specifications in 18 months while he stood behind them and smelled their hair)
there are 8 zillion live-action Disney movies that only Americans have ever heard of, but on first glance a wild amount of them are based on Scottish novels, and even The Absent-Minded Professor and The Shaggy Dog and Condorman are based on existing stories with the titles changed
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Sunday, 31 March 2019 20:47 (five years ago) link
Zootopia was a pretty solid exception, wrt recent Disney Animation Studios.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 March 2019 21:32 (five years ago) link
While I appreciate the sic-cyclopedia entry, I was speaking more about their recent tendency to lean hard on remakes and sequels of their own previous work as opposed to the familiar adaptations of non-Disney material. Between live action and animated films from 2017 through the end of this year, I count thirteen remakes/sequels of existing Disney properties, two newly-adapted properties (Nutcracker and Artemis Fowl), and one original film (Coco). It wasn't a whole helluva lot better in the years before that, but they were a little closer to a 50/50 split between 'fresh' material and autophagia.
― A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Sunday, 31 March 2019 22:18 (five years ago) link
presumably part of that tally is them buying things where new instalments link up, even if they’re not direct sequels? eg Marvel, Star Wars, vs historically “Disney”-branded stuffI count Pixar separately still, though they’ve obv become sequelier as they became more merged w/ Disney
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Sunday, 31 March 2019 23:58 (five years ago) link
Nah, I'm just counting movies that announce themselves proudly as a Walt Disney (or Pixar) production, no Lucasfilm or Marvel.
― A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 April 2019 00:51 (five years ago) link
ooooof
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 1 April 2019 02:12 (five years ago) link
i'm not esp likely to ever see this, but a glance at the reviews shows it's not a "photocopy"
but keep thinkin Tarantella is original
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 April 2019 03:03 (five years ago) link
I'm never going to see this, but the biggest red flag is that the cartoon runs about an hour and this one runs about twice that.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 April 2019 03:13 (five years ago) link
meh, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 April 2019 03:14 (five years ago) link
In case you failed to see it upthread...
Morbs, you temper your fabled vituperation over the weirdest things.
― WAS ACTING A FOOL AND FELL ON GRILL (Old Lunch), Friday, March 29, 2019 2:06 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 April 2019 03:36 (five years ago) link
Also golf clap for strawmanning all of the zero people in existence who ever called Tarantino original. Yeeeeesh.
― A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 April 2019 03:40 (five years ago) link
i was thinking about this yesterday and its now starting to make more sense to view Disney originals like...broadway musicals or whatever and these remakes as revivals.
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Monday, 1 April 2019 09:27 (five years ago) link
revivals which just happen to allow disney to extend the copyright on their properties
― mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 April 2019 09:28 (five years ago) link
thus keeping alive the goose that lays the dollar-crammed eggs
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link
I hope I live long enough to see like the fifth or sixth iteration of a Disney remake where it's just like this crude and barely recognizable rendition of Pinocchio standing in a stark white field for two hours and endlessly repeating 'Hi, I'm Pinocchio!' to the camera from a variety of angles.
― A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
Pinocchio (2042): Not as bad as I thought it might be, Pinocchio's enunciation was flawless, and Disney has really upped their game on the presentation of the glaring void in which all of their films are now set. *** + 1/2*
― A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link
My greatest dream is somehow stripping Disney of all their copyrights and filming everyone crying who will be hit hard in the bank balance by this, so I can watch these crying videos everyday for immense sexual pleasure.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 5 April 2019 18:34 (five years ago) link
I can't believe he got Mars Attacks! made. I can't believe he assembled that cast.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 02:26 (one year ago) link
really liked it when it came out and it goes up in my estimation every time i revisit, some kind of lunatic masterpiece
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 02:31 (one year ago) link
that and Ed Wood have become my abiding favorites
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 02:43 (one year ago) link
i haven't seen it in years but every so often, the phrase "the international sign of the donut" pops into my head
― Roz, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 03:00 (one year ago) link
It's definitely more Joe Dante than Tim Burton.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 03:10 (one year ago) link
Wednesday sucks, right? Is it just me? made it three episodes and decided "nah". the humor doesn't work at all and this cutesy goth thing is so played out.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 2 December 2022 23:11 (one year ago) link
i was the opposite- i’m surprised by how much i really enjoy it … like there are a lot of dopey jokes and puns and fan service but the mystery is kinda compelling & i like all the main characters also there is a great scene where she dances to the Cramps “Goo Goo Muck”
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 December 2022 23:18 (one year ago) link
clip here bc it’s truly excellent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE2bY2gOBhk
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 December 2022 23:20 (one year ago) link