The Great Moving Right Show II: The Kirsty and Phil Years

stuff i think i think:

i. ppl who read and/or know a lot often suffer a rather crippling kind of faith-envy: "if only i was still so simple/innocent/young/ignorant that i could once more just BELIEVE" (the companion of this is ppl who read and/or know a lot pretending to themselves their faiths aren't actuallly faiths but common sense or objective science or whatever)
ii. satire IS generally conservative
iii. avant-gardes ARE symptoms not cures, but symptoms is what doctors study!

haha = adorno 101 (and 102 and 103)

Does the fact that Yuppie Wants Buy House and Get Botox! Now! type programs have replaced MDF Will Make Semi Nice and Budget Airline Staff / Crap Drivers Are Funny! as cheap 8 till 9 television entertainment show reflect the prosperous times we are living in? Or not.

Also that Alistair Stewart's Chase Car With Helicopter has been replaced with Street Crime Is Quite Funny To Watch.

reflect the prosperous times we are living in death of society?

It's faintly amusing / worrying that we have managed to trump the Americans in the TRUE CRIME stakes. Their Black Dude Being Chased By 700 Armed Police shows were always were better than our Joyriders Chased Round Council Estate shows but we trumped them with the film drunk people fighting outside Yates on a Saturday night genre of crimesplotation.

Is this just because I've got Booze Britain in my list of "favourite TV" on Facebook?

Nah. I watched one last week and was gripped. All that happened was a man punched a woman in the face but it was so sick and gripping in a way those American ones never are.

only because it was louis jagger.

But, yeh you are the expert I guess on these shows. They are certainly better than Sin Cities or UK Play. God I hate the guy off Sin Cities.

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Louis Jagger punched a woman in the face? That's awful.

i'm sure there's a funny side.

She was Muslim, it's OK.

That guy from Sin Cities truly is a Grub Smith for the new milennium

I hope he was able to justify himself.

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Ashley Hames
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Ashley Hames (born: 19 November 1970) in Stourport, United Kingdom is a British Presenter and Director with a wide range of credits to his name: he had his first taste of showbiz as the original News Bunny on L!VE TV.

More recently and indeed, certainly more acclaimed, Ashley has fronted three series of Bravo’s highest ever rating show, "Sin Cities", two fifteen part and one ten part series about sex from around the world, and "Man's Work", a series he presents for Bravo TV.

Ashley made his mark at Channel 4 where he directed and presented "Bad Trip", a controversial documentary uncovering his exploits with a Playboy model, a homeless alcoholic and other lethal weapons in Texas, USA. He also filmed and edited a documentary about cocaine for the channel’s launch of 4Later, as well as directing E4’s "Posh Rock", a series about wealthy teenagers in Cornwall.

Ashley is currently filming a new four part travel series for BBC2, to be broadcast in autumn 2007. "Guilt Trip" takes lovers of luxury goods to see the real ecological and human costs of their vices. In each episode, three members of the public, with their own extraordinary obsession with luxury goods, are sent packing on a potentially life-changing journey tracing their object of desire back to its roots. Guilt trippers must first meet hard-line ethical expert Lucy Siegle and a panel of activists, who devise a tailor-made journey – their own personal guilt trip. The panel sends the guilt trippers into a new world – designed to make them see the light. Alongside Ashley, their trip will take them to far-flung corners of the globe where they are shown the dark underside of their luxuries, from the illegal gold mines of Ghana to the grim sweatshops of India. But they also meet people who benefit from their obsession: workers who would otherwise be unemployed and communities that would be obliterated without their Western purchase power. When the guilt trippers return from their two-week journey they must face the panel – and a complex and difficult decision.

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It's the TV show that had to be made.

oh the wikipedia entry has been vandalised :(

This is a good thread, though I understand but little.

eat that, 'calum, fran, and dangerous danan'.

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TS: Calum, Fran and Dangerous Danan v "Paul Danan Dates Some Women For You"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican

So can we fairly use the term Peep Show Conservative?

Go on...
What does the "Peep Show Conservative" think about:
* The Iraq War
* Global Warming
* Imigration
* Race
* Mock The Week

I'm an ideas man...

What I mean is: South Park Republican is a useful and accurate shorthand to describe a new breed of right-winger in America. Does PSC work the same in the UK as a term?

You gotta work it out better. I'll answer my own question.

* The Iraq War - Boo hiss! It was a cock up though they may have supported the invasion circa 2003. The failure was clearly the result of Americans being fat / lazy / stupid. They may point out that "it's all about oil" or that it "was illegal".

What does the "Peep Show Conservative" think about:
* The Iraq War - doesn't
* Global Warming - he watched that save the world gig
* Imigration - foreigners make good nannies/footballers
* Race - see above
* Mock The Week - hilarious

* Global Warming - LOL load of old bollocks. If it's like Malaga in Kent I'm all for it! I don't see why I should stop driving / flying / dumping fridges if China / Russia / India / some corporation is chucking x tonnes of C02 into the atmosphere! Anyway everyone else does / has done these things, it's my turn!

I wonder if our strawry friend thinks about house prices much. How old would you say this stereotype is Dom?

As old as the end of the Blair Honeymoon? So coming up to eight/nine years old?

In a Guardian Weekend interview Robert Webb did say his all-time hero was Christopher Hitchens, fwiw.

No, what age is the typical incarnation of the Peep Show Conservative? Between 17 and mid 30s?

From university age to married age, but probably specifically between 21 and 30.

25-40 more likely surely?

So, not overly concerned with house prices yet. They are in a sense apolitical, they'll join a facebook group protesting speed cameras or walking slowly but probably won't vote in an election. Apart from Boris (legund!!!) politics is gay.

DG, this is more about, if it's about anything, the student generation who have grown up with Peep Show and Family Guy as their Spaced and Simpsons.

No, I think there's a certain... youthdom to all of this? The idea that, hey, you can be a right-winger and still kick it with "alternative" culture". Qf this: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=11218380117, an alternative comedy club (with Richard Herring and all your other DIY comedy heroes as regular workers) actually advocating the removal of the right to strike for trade unions. That's beyond right-wing and veering dangerously close into Fascism.

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is overt identification w/right not negotiable? i mean surely plenty of modern conservative characters would quite happily read G2 and watch the mercury music prize etc

...without any big C conservative affiliations

i mean surely plenty of modern conservative characters would quite happily read G2 and watch the mercury music prize etc

I _think_ that's kind of the crux of all this, and probably what man like mark s to turn up and point out "This really isn't a new development". I dunno, maybe me, acrobat, et al are just romanticising the left/right divide of the 60s and 80s.

Actually DG has a point that chime swith yours. Everyone want to be hip these days. No time for Mondeo Pop, we can combine hip young peoples young people stuff with reactionary views, easy. Vice paved the way. The failiure of the Nietzschized Left. We don't mind blacks and gays (they are funny though!) but don't get in out way chavscum!

there's got to be a good number of people who were against the CJB and other Major lolz etc but have kids and pay taxes now thus rightward drift but w/Toryphobia...but this is just nu-labour tho really innit

Calling it Nu-Labour does seem a little like... endorsing it? Or at least apologising for it. Post-Nu-Labour sounds more accurate, if ungainly.

Sort of, but it's anti Nu-Labour. Actually it's anti politics, Boris and J Clarkson are heroes cos they are outside politics, they tell it like it is. This generation barely remember John Major's era. It's a cake and eat it deal or something.

Yeah, Nu-Labour here are still seen as party of Political Correctness Gone Mad.

It's worth remembering that there was a lot of anti-war sentiment from the Countryside Alliance, and other people who thought that Blair was invading Iraq so he could force them all to convert to single parent homosexuality.

i think we've got 3+ separate groups under discussion here

Maybe, but you don't think they can all drink from the same font?

It's all Tory Fucks to me.

No. The thing is they aren't Tory Fucks. Or at least are unlikely to identify as such.