but as MTA starts getting shittier and shittier and more and more ppl abandon it i imagine it will get sketchier and sketchier. right now even at weird hours im rarely the only person in the subway station or on the train.
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I see WAY more cops in nyc than I do in sf/east bay
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
http://chasness.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/death_wish.jpg
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
You're commute sounds heroic, iatee
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
luckily nypd is stopping and searching more and more black people every year, for your safety
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/stop_frisk_record_voNoD2KGtU2a2otqGTPgDO
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
ya I wish they would just merge bart and mta :(
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Once someone takes a swing at you and you decide to fight back, that's no time to start pulling your punches or worrying about 'going overboard' - you fight until the other guy no longer poses a threat.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:55 PM (1 hour ago)
is this what you really believe?
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
given the remarkably assholish track record of both SF and Oakland's PDs I'm not sure I really wanna see any more cops on Muni tbh. Like Mike White, I kinda wish the general populace was a little more assertive about (non-violently) policing themselves...
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Bra MattBar MattBrat TamBrat MatBat MartBat TramTab MartTab Tram
Not so promising
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
sorry i know it's been an hour and a half or whatever but damn
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think you can afford to get into fights if that isn't what you believe! Starting fights without having the will to finish them seems like the definition of getting your ass beat a lot.
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm agnostic about SFPD on MUNI. Not agnostic about OPD, Shakey.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
i get what milo is saying but he probably could have phrased it in a way that didnt make him sound like such an aggro hardman
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:17 PM (57 seconds ago)
I haven't been in a fight since 9th grade and it seems like sound reasoning to me.
― blow it out your bad-taste hole (WmC), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
when i lived in SF in 2004 i took MUNI a lot and never really felt threatened, unless im not remembering well. but i also wasnt out until weird hours of the morning
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Starting fights without having the will to finish them seems like the definition of getting your ass beat a lot.
^^^, with the caveat of also including not knowing when to flee/avoid fights where you cannot/will not prevail
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the chances that a noble bay area population will rise up and keep the peace are lower than the chances of the police getting slightly less jerk-y
― iatee, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
sweet butch 125 tag on the death wish poster. never noticed that before.
― SHORTS? seriously? fuck off. (ojo), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
i just finished reading the tipping point and he talked about the transit mess in NYC in the 70s/80s and it sounded beyond insane.
jesus xposting!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
kevin, sometimes looking like a hardman is worth its weight in gold. If you look like you're too much trouble to take on, most people won't.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
or were you trying to understand what was going on in a clearly fucked-up person's mind? sorry if so
xp what is "finishing fights"? the black guy posed absolutely no threat to the white guy and he knew it, what was the point of beating him to a pulp other than for the thrill or to impress people? would you apply the same logic to something bigger, like a country's foreign policy?
hi every republican i know
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, yeah. Ideally, no one ever fights, yada yada yada, of course.
But once you're engaged in a fight, worrying about being too aggressive is a v. v. v. good way of getting your ass kicked.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
but I HAVE seen it happen, on occasion! Once a bunch of passengers (surprisingly politely) escorted this clearly deranged white dude who was spouting every racial obscenity he could think of off the bus. Another time this old black guy shamed some black teenagers into refraining from harassing other passengers... it's not unheard of.
x-post
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
looking like a hardman is worth its weight in gold. If you look like you're too much trouble to take on, most people won't.
^^^this. totally OTM and necessary advice for urban living
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
the black guy posed absolutely no threat to the white guy and he knew it,
erm no
no WAY, there's no way he could know that, AND he came up to the front of the bus and threw the first punch.
xp
― blow it out your bad-taste hole (WmC), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
iatee, most of my buses are both super tolerant and also readily willing to help you off if you're a dick. The exceptions seem to be when the high school boys outnumber you and need to front so they feel their dicks are big enough and when there are drunken crews. The sad exception is when there's someone so smelly/psychotic and at off-hours (I take the bus at 6:30 and I'm willing to see a lot slide) where passangers are too willing to wait.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
xp what is "finishing fights"? the black guy posed absolutely no threat to the white guy and he knew it,
Motherfucker could throw one soft tap, I guess, but you aren't actually supposed to let the guy you're fighting get his shots in for fairness - and how would Motherfucker know if the guy had a knife on him or something?
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
i am loling at all the hardmen on this thread!!!
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
The exceptions seem to be when the high school boys outnumber you and need to front so they feel their dicks are big enough
girls are worse imho. a bunch of bitchy, shrieking teenage girls = me in hell
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Some people, when attacked, attack back until the person is incapacitated. That's the entire point of engaging in the fight. It's pretty clear that old white dude knew he was going to lose his shit and attempted to physically extricate himself from the situation. The problem was that neither one of them would let go of the verbal attack and, when the black dude threw that punch, it was pretty much game over.
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
lol I just meant that if you look mean/crazy/unpredictable enough most people who might otherwise consider fucking with you will not.
(cue Steve Martin joke about throwing up on his money whenever he leaves the house)
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
"the black guy posed absolutely no threat to the white guy and he knew it"
I am (o_O) at this.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
i just carry a gun with me, in my hand, at all times
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah max seriously who knew ilx was full of such manly men
xp alex dude get the fuck out, i mean once he was already on his ass and not even raising his hands to defend himself
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Again, I haven't seen this and we can talk racism until the cows come home, but assuming that someone in a adrenaline poisoned situation 'knew' something, is just foolish. You could be a racist white dude and still get your ass gratuitously handed to you by some black dudes you don't know. </Situationist>
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I haven't been in physical fight in years
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
"xp alex dude get the fuck out, i mean once he was already on his ass and not even raising his hands to defend himself"
You mean once the guy basically stopped and left the bus?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Another time this old black guy shamed some black teenagers into refraining from harassing other passengers... it's not unheard of.
I've seen a grandma-type chide two teenaged boys into stopping trying to kick out the subway car windows. It was cute.
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Not smart. In SF, the odds are very much against you unless you're willing to be cold-blooded. It's a greenhorn move unless you're a drug-dealer and even then, well, I guess you're a bit of a fuck-up anyway.
― L'obamalâtrie obligatoire (Michael White), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Not to mention the followup video, where everyone is off the bus and dude is taking a few more physical swipes at crazy?
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
i carry two guns actually
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
finally watched it. black guy lacks some real survival instincts that should have kicked in when he stood eye to chest with old white guy.
― self-important coozen (bnw), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
as far as mindsets go in a fight. i was told once that if you get in a fight convince yourself that they other guy really wants to kill you and take the necessary steps to make sure he doesn't. this bit of advice has served me well in the handful of altercations i've found myself in.
― carne asada, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe we should start a separate thread for "fight advice from regular ilx posters"
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
― max, Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:30 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
pistol grip pump at my side at all times
― El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I wear a jacket made of guns at all times
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
ha yeah, this is why most of my "fights" (which ended in high school) have been more like "ambushes"
― sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
"hard urban living for the kate bush fan"
― max, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
dude just read the oxbow dude's book:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JUdx0kipL._SS500_.jpg
― El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link