Why Do (some) Men Hate Women?

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Women tend to see sexuality and other things that tie the sexes as a way to get things for men hence men start hating how sexuality is used against them

bnumsi, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
I think we should all work towards making things better for all gender.

mid, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't hate women, I just find most of them very uninteresting.

Marc, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
People hate people when they hate themselves. Its that simple

Scott, Friday, 4 October 2002 00:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm noticing that I was unsually 'posty' on this thread. I wonder what got into me?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

The obvious point is that a lot of men who hate women hate them because rightly or wrongly they feel they were humiliated by their mothers or sisters at an early age.

I think often men are emotionally terrified by women in a way that isn't clearly discernible to women. (other than through the horrible experience of being beaten by them)

"Leslie", Friday, 4 October 2002 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
I feel constantly threatened by the opposite sex because I think that they are judging me on terms that I don't understand. This pisses me off and makes me uncomfortable around them and yet I want their love and approval more than anything. I also want to have sex with the cute ones. This makes me "hate" them.

quid, Saturday, 11 January 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh my...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 11 January 2003 23:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's been such a mind-fuck to goback and read this thread, on SO MANY LEVELS... I can't even get through all of it, it's too painful and weird.

kate, Saturday, 11 January 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
In Thailand there is an epidemic of women cutting off their husbands penis! They have dozens of such cases a year, and guess what, the women never recieve any jail time, in fact it has become a national joke! Why are sex crimes against men considered funny, and why aren't these women going to jail?

Stephen Ancroid, Monday, 3 February 2003 06:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I suspect the knowledge of Thai law, custom and sexual relations here may be small.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thai law is worth getting to know!

g glitter, Monday, 3 February 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a question no one can seem to answer. Do male reporters have full access to female atheletes locker rooms??

tri, Monday, 3 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have heard that in the NCAA male reporters are only allowed in female locker rooms for a half hour right after the game, so the women just wait until they are gone before showering, male atheletes do not have this option, as female reporters ( and even non reporters as most any female can walk into a mens locker room these days) can go in and out anytime they please!

Stephen Ancroid, Monday, 3 February 2003 23:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

When it comes to unborn children, men have responsibilities without any rights. Legalized abortion allows a woman a choice of whether she will have a child but, under current law, a man's life can be held hostage to an unplanned pregnancy. Although a man cannot legally force upon a woman the responsibilities of motherhood, she can compel him to support her and the child financially whether he wanted a child or not.

Stephen, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 04:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

if men don't want children, they should at least make sure they wear condoms. if you don't wear a condom, its your own fault if suddenly you've got child support on yr hands.

di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 09:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree with di.

Stephen Ancroid, I can't speak for all women (though I'm confident I could speak for many) but I promise I will never cut off your penis, or burst into your locker room after a big game, or have you impregnate me, so if you are one of the (some) men who hate women (and you do seem to be listing reasons for why some do, as though these are valid grounds for misogyny,) then I think it's a little unfair because an enormous number of us- probably most of us- will never go anywhere near your penis, not with a knife, nor a microphone, nor a vagina.

estela, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Very well said.

smee (smee), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

People hate people when they hate themselves. Its that simple.

it's upsetting because it's true.

g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think this explains some of the vicious record reviews I've had from women. Rock critics hate themselves, but female rock critics hate themselves even more. And because male rock editors hate themselves for being males in a male-dominated job, they give the few females they employ free reign to attack male artists with particular venom. It's payback for their own sex, but, conveniently, not for their own profession (they fail ever to hand their jobs over to women -- is the editorship of the NME, for instance, even open to women? Do they go through the pretence of even interviewing women for that job, considering there has never been and never will be a woman at the helm?)

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think this explains some of the vicious record reviews I've had from women. Rock critics hate themselves, but female rock critics hate themselves even more

I'm rather more inclined to think that this kind of thinking might explain bad reviews from women, personally.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think it's the same reasons why any group hates any other group: they don't understand them (likes, dislikes, habits, thought processes, priorities, etc.) and are, consciously or subconsciously, scared of them.

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

if men don't want children, they should at least make sure they wear condoms. if you don't wear a condom, its your own fault if suddenly you've got child support on yr hands.

Condoms break. Not that rarely, too IME. Admittedly, chance of accident decreases, but, well, THIS REALLY SCARES ME.

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Here we go again with that 'hate'='fear' thing. Do ppl 'fear' cockroaches or bus queues?

dave q, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

sitting pretty, its true that condoms break, but i'm referrring specifcly to the kind of men who either refuse to wear them, or use any excuse possible to worm their way out of wearing them. from my understanding, (someone please inform me if i am mistaken) condoms break if there isn't enough lubrication. the point is, more men need to take responsibility for their sperm.

di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

The locker room double standard is indeed noteworthy (maybe it's because guys need less towel, I dunno), but as I learned from SNL, guys can get there revenge by walking up to female reporters naked and yelling "STEP UP TO THE MIC!"

Arguably not a good idea in Thailand though.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

ok, as i expected you have all turned my comments into a joke. But the point i was trying to make was DOUBLE STANDARDS! Sex crimes against women are taken seriously, as they should be, but sex crimes against men are considered humorous. Female reporters have unlimited access to male locker rooms, while male reporters have restricted, or no access to female locker rooms. In issues concerning children, father's are almost always screwed. I truly feel the tide has turned, and women have more rights than men!

Stephen Ancroid, Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I demand to see this hott female reporter in nude man locker room in action! Or at least in mpegs.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Reasonable explanation of male rock crit self-loathing, but how do you account for this in females?

Aaron A., Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

The reason they're considered humorous by some is because they're considered an oddity. While I definitely think its a sign that things aren't black and white that women have it worse than men, I definitely don't think it's time to assume men undeniably have it worse now. If anything, this is showing that it's stupid to assume that either gender is gonna have the (fair and/or unfair) advantage in every situation.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stephen, I am a woman, and I agree with you to an extent. However I feel your anger is misdirected! Allow me to address your concerns.
Thailand is a male dominated society, and the laws are made by men. I agree that sexual abuse against men is not taken as seriously as it is against women, but you cannot blame women for this! Most sex crimes against men, are committed by other men! And it is men who laugh, and make jokes about it, not women!
I agree that it is unfair to give female reporters unrestricted access to male locker rooms, while male reporters do not have the same rights in female locker rooms, but again, you cannot blame women for this! Most sports orginazations (even woen's leauges) are governed by men! So it is men who make the locker room regulations, not women!
I also agree that laws concerning custody, child support, and abortion are sometimes unfair to fathers. But once again, you cannot blame women for this! Most lawmakers are still male! So it is men making these laws, not women!
Stephen, I get the impression that one, or more of these issues has affected your life. Is so, I understand your frustration, however, I truly feel your anger is misdirected, you should blame male lawmakers, not the average woman!

lizzie Mac, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anthony-- The reason they are an oddity is because most are unreported! The reason they are unreported is because the public stigma would change a man's life forever!
lizzie-- The reason males make these biased laws, and regulations is because of pressure from women's groups! As far as my own life, i do not wish to get into that!

Stephen Ancroid, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you ever spent any serious time with a woman you'd have your answer.

Spooler, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

*nostalgically* Hey sisters, remember those incredible, stirring protest marches which won us the right to interview naked athletes in their locker room straight after the big game? Remember the severed Thai mens' penises stuck onto spikes, how proudly they waved? Remember the feasting afterwards, all paid for with child support cheques written out by hapless suckers who had not guarded their sperm properly?

estela, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

how much do you wanna guess these are all the same person

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 6 February 2003 06:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I bet they are all the person from the pubic hair trimming thread too.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 February 2003 06:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

stephen, i find it unlikely that a woman would get my job, regardless of how well qualified she was or how good at her job...

...the last 2 times people were interviewed for jobs in my bit of the company, its been expressly said, "well, you wouldnt really want a girl working here would you? i mean, if shed gone and done something youd need to go and check cuz you wouldnt trust itd been done properly".

last time we interviewed there was a girl, she was the most qualified of the 7 candidates, and the only one with hands on experience. she didnt get the job

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 February 2003 07:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gareth, I would say that someone in your company needs to get done for sexual discrimination.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 6 February 2003 09:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

the person who said that is at my level, he is not responsible for the hiring.

the way most jobs work is, not who is the most skilled, but who will 'fit in' the most. this is why my team is 6 straight white males

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think both women and men have responsibilities in birth control. Perhaps the woman could pay for (and take) birth control pills and the man supply the condoms? Better safe than sorry, right? Or the man pay for the b.c. pills and his gf keep up with taking them on time, etc...

I truly feel the tide has turned, and women have more rights than men!
Stephen- Where are you from?
This does not have to be a competition. It's about equal rights.

lizzie, Please stop shouting! :)

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Estela-- Thank you for proving my point, male issues are a joking matter to some. Have you auditioned for letterman? If you ever feel like dropping your Abbot and Costello routine, let me know, and we can have a serious debate. This reminds me of those bumper stickers that say "men have feelings too, but who cares!" I guess women truly feel that way.
Jess-- I can assure, that I am not Estela, Lizzie Anthony, or anyone else!
Sarah, I am from the northeast USA, And yes i truly believe that equality is not the goal, superiority is!

Stephen Ancroid, Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you are a male reporter, and you want to see naked women as part of your job, forget about sports, and start covering the fasion world!
If you have ever been behind the stage at a fashion show, you will see women changing their clothes in front of dozens of men! Make up people, designers, reporters, photographers, hair stylists, etc>> They have absolutely no privacy, just like male atheletes!

Brock, Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've heard a lot of people over the years suggest that feminism has gone too far and women are on top now. They have been, without a single exception, misogynistic and stupid.

Number of countries where women earn as much as men: zero. Number of women in the top 100 earning directors in the UK: zero. Number of women killed a year by their male partners in the UK: >100.

Obviously that doesn't weigh much against female reporters being allowed into male locker rooms...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

This reminds me of those bumper stickers that say "men have feelings too, but who cares!" I guess women truly feel that way.

what, all women?

i guess all guys like baseball too? gee, how about those knicks!

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

FUNNIEST COMEBACK EVER!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree with everything Martin said.


Stephen Ancroid, I wasn't joking, I was too irritable to be making jokes. Why don't you haul your Thai penis-severing "epidemic" over to the 'Make a bold claim' thread? To imply that Thailand is in the grips of extreme feminism, when the truth is that many Thai women and children are living lives of sexual enslavement, is patently ridiculous.

I don't care too much about the great locker room scandal. I see it as pre- rather than post-feminist, with the discrepancy based in the idea that men are seeing subjects and women are looked-upon objects. A subject would not be diminished by an object, therefore there could be no loss of power for a naked man who was confronted by a women, but the reverse would not be true. I think women would like to have the freedom to walk around freely in their bodies without being harrassed and objectified. It is sort of a cheek for men to complain about this issue.

I agree there are problems with family law, but I do think women, notable exceptions aside, still bear the main brunt of child-rearing and the law is trying to equitably address this (although indisputably failing in some instances). More women are living in poverty due to parenthood than men.

Finally, I don't think hatred between men and women solves any of these problems. I take issue with you coming on to a thread titled "Why do (some) men hate women" and raising these dubious points, the inference being that they justify misogyny.

estela, Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree that the locker room issue is irrelivant to the gender equality issue, but there is something I would like to add. The problem there stems from the fact that reporters think their rights overrule anyone else's. Not just sports reporters but the entire media. How often have you seen a reporter shove a mic into the face of a grieving relative of a murder victim?

DJ, Friday, 7 February 2003 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Worse still, their crotch

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 7 February 2003 00:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

now *that* i haven't seen

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 7 February 2003 02:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

The best position for women is on their backs, with their legs spread!

Ralfus, Friday, 7 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago) link


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