Fucking great, the BNP assholes are in this area...

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cozen what am i then to call the person who talks thru his nose, wears checked cap pointing upwards, baggy sportswear etc who aggresively hassles me for money when walking through glasgow w.my sister? I mean, you could say the exact same thing abt "charver", but, I get onto the metro, and there's this group of fux0rz who, knowing that dressing like that, & talking like that gets one labelled "worthless charver scum" or whatever, nevertheless choose to dress like that, choose talk like that, choose to harrass elderly passengers, smoke "tack", tag, etc. Imean, so-one made ned/charvers etc dress like/talk like/act like neds/charvers etc, yet they still do. Self identifying, in't it?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:42 (twenty years ago) link

being a "ned" or a "charver" is 0 to do with being poor, it's to do with being a fucking knobhead, and visibly identifying yourself as such.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

That "ned" voice is hilarious, must take hours of practice

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, sorry, but neds and charvers actually do exist, and actually make actual working people's lives a misery.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

Okay - what about the drawn faced 'blues' taking neds? Or the herion addict neds? I am genuinely scared of these people!

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

Shouldn't we be starring out the B*P?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

Someone should perhaps de-google this thread.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

And what about those n*ds?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

D'ya think they'll come for us?

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

Pashmina, maybe but increasingly common usage does equate ned/charver with poor, or at the very least with anyone who happens to live on a council estate.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:50 (twenty years ago) link

Common usage by middle class fucking dickheads you mean?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:50 (twenty years ago) link

Yes.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:51 (twenty years ago) link

Ha ha, I thought so!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:52 (twenty years ago) link

Did you know: Glasgow fact #42 Ned is an acronym for Non Educated Delinquent.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:52 (twenty years ago) link

well, y'know, fuck chavscum & shit like that, I live on a 1/2 council-owned estate, you know? WTF am I to do, think of a new term just b/c some assholes yet again equate "working class" with "criminal class"?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago) link

charver i am told is/was a romany term meaning "thief" and "shit"!

Also an old n yorks. term for "lad", polari for "fucking".

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

why should it be degoogled? it's not exactly good publicity for the british national party. and the ned stuff is a bit low, if you ask me. looking a certain way does not give away yr entire personality.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

Listen, if you grow up working class, on a council estate, in the Glasgow area - you know who the neds are and you spend most of the time laughing at them

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

We all sometimes abandon words because they have managed to accrue unpleasant connotations though don't we Pash?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

gis yer jackit yer dobber

ned (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:55 (twenty years ago) link

Reading between the lines on the Environment piece.

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms - be the those forms oil, litter or asylum seekers.

We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. - The polluter here is refered to as an "other" and thus not a core member of the BNP support. Hence will be equated with those groups the BNP is again. (Note use of fascist friendly enforce here as well, with its attendant enforcers).

In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture - associated with inner city council estates associated with ethnic minorities. Modernism is juxtaposed against traditional values, and tied here to the 1960's a period of large immigration and therefore a bad thing.

with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale. Local -not foreign, hence understood by a local workforce. Human scale housing = traditional British family units, not accomodating alternative lifestyles or extended family living. Human scale can also be juxtaposed against the "masses" which are threatening the British way of life et al.


Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:56 (twenty years ago) link

The only unpleasant connotation of "ned" or "charver" for me is a young twoc-er/vandal/petty drug dealer/ person, who acts and dresses in a certain way. Sorry, but I don't give a fucking shit about people who think working class = criminal class think or say, because by their arithmetic I = criminal class anyway.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

Most convenient acronymic etymologies of words like that are incorrect, Rumpy.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:58 (twenty years ago) link

And I'm not giving up "ned" just because the middle classes have appropriated it and I will certainly not give up laughing at them and impersonating that stupid nasal voice they affect

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:58 (twenty years ago) link

The association of working class = criminal class grossly misunderstands the usage of the word working I find.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

I've lived on and off council estates/council owned flats all my life and I'm sick to my stomach at some of the non working addicts I have for neighbours. You spend the day at work then come home to find the communal gardens full of spaced out *insert non-derogatory tip-toe round them word here* who have been lapping up the sun ALL day. The ones I live with have dogs which really irks me - I can't have a dog cause I work full time boo hoo! Maybe if I started jagging up I'd finally be able to get a pooch - oh, AND get my bills paid for me!

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

Any idea of the origin of the word Ned Ricardo? Anyone?

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:00 (twenty years ago) link

I hate to say it Rumpy but you're beginning to sound like a potential BNP voter

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:00 (twenty years ago) link

the term ned was originally coined because neds all listen to reggae music, and reggae = raggett = ned raggett = ned!!!

thus o.e.d.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:02 (twenty years ago) link

qed.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

qed quaggett

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

Ken was the original term but was too confusing for people from the East of Scotland, ye ken?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:04 (twenty years ago) link

ha

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:07 (twenty years ago) link

i am not ken and nor is my wife

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

i mean, nora is my wife

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

I hate everything the BNP stands for - if I voted for them then half my family, including myself would have to move back to the Caribbean. I have run out of any patience I ever had for the minority that make my street a dangerously unpleasant place to stay. I cannot cross the road to go to the shop because I feel intimidated by the glassy eyed addicts who watch my purchases with avarice and beg for change every time I cross the door. I hate the smell of pish in my building, I hate that they lean casually on my car, and when challenged they'll say "Who the FUCK are you talking to?" Erm nobody kind sir, I'll just be parking the car two streets away and walking to my house in the future. Try living with it.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

do addicts really bother to vote? triumph for democracy!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

i mean like yeah addicts are shit and as are people who piss in building corridors but lumping all that with BNP is crashing my feeble mind.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not....

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

i'm sorry if i misunderstood :(

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

So am I. I'm also sorry to be so angry, it's out of character. ILX you bring out the worst in me!

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

it is understandable with the topic being such a sensitive and often personal one, and especially when as in your case it's so close to home.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:37 (twenty years ago) link

ILX you bring out the worst in me!

sorry to hear that, tho i wouldn't worry about people's comments on here THAT much as they don't you do they

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I'm a bit touchy 'bout issues like that. I should have read the thread title and stayed away. I try not to enter into serious stuff on ILX - I always end up ranting then spending the rest of the day upset.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

I take everything so personally - such a sensitive wee soul.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

ILX brings out the worst in SteveM, that's for sure.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

I think the Scottish Socialists are alright and all, but this one stupid lass wants to outlaw the word "NED". Well, fuck you my dear - but a ned is a ned and outlawing a word is so fucking stupid I don't think I like you much anymore. I hate Neds. They are cunts and I don't associate them with working class people either. Neds are invariable just twats. I have a middle class one living up from me.

CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

calum is right about that.. neds (chavs down here) are not just working-class. they become neds by their behaviour, not by their income.

don (don), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

i am not worried about your comment there Pete. it doesn't bother me, alright?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

I owe you an answer to your question, pashmina.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link


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