2008 Primaries Thread

i'm merely explaining to tracer that attacking hillary on style is not the same as the standard rightwing fear-based attack on her as craven harpy

meanwhile Thompson's doin' it so that the Mainstream Media can admire what fine pussy he gets every night.

but if you want to play just to play, i'd suggest that the guy who was a state senator a few years ago might have her beat there

thx for that image Alfred

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That list would be 100% more convincing to me if it didn't contain, like, Condi, who is perceived as even more screened-back / robotic / inhuman than Hillary is: are you seriously imagining Rice making warm forthright connections with people at pancake breakfasts here? The reasons I say that kind of thing isn't yet a wide-open option for women all go kind of double for someone like Rice.

I'd also note that I say that not solely in terms of some kind of suspicion of women or anti-woman bias, but because the current models we have of Likable Politician are all male/masculine models, and there's no reason they SHOULD map neatly onto women, who are still in the process of creating models of whatever kind of persona is the best one for a woman to communicate with an electorate.

Even the Thatcher model here is ... again, it involves not having the warm-human-connection thing someone like Bill Clinton had; one of the selling points of her persona was STERNNESS, for god's sake

Thompson, once again, is just helping out his good buddy Johnny Mac

Condi has her own challenges, sure. Maybe she doesn't belong on the list. But I can totally see her talking football with the folks.

or about pussy with Thompson.

oh DEAR

She talks about pussy with everyone so that's not a stretch.

oh the zings

did I mention I have a family member serving as Condi's bodyguard

oh the stories I wish he would tell me

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http://www.impawards.com/1996/posters/bound_ver1.jpg

can we get back to race relations again for a minute.

i know this was covered in this thread and the old one, but how do blacks view obama's background in terms of race and class? (not there is one answer for one group of people, obv)

i ask because i was watching a some reruns of the chapelle show late last night. and i was watching this "race draft" skit. tiger woods, played by chappelle w/the 'dorky white guy voice', is drafted by the blacks and it occurred to me that, like tiger woods, obama isn't (at least in one sense) 'black'

I don't think Mikulski is out.

(quite a revelation, i know)

oops that was an xpost to myself

there were many many months in the media (i.e. FOX) where the headlines were all like "IS OBAMA BLACK ENOUGH?" as though there would suddenly be some anti-Obama backlash and every black person would vote for Fred Thompson

I've heard a few black people say they weren't sure Obama was black enough but they also went on to say that they never voted anyway so I kind of tuned them out.

lol

obviously obama is 'blacker' than alan keys

i was watching one of the cable news channels and on the news scrawl it said jesse jackson is supporting obama, but his wife did a radio ad for hillary in south carolina

so maybe its just bros vs hos

obama is black enough to not get elected.

thats controversial

if i were to place a cash bet today on who'd be president i would def. pick obama

i mean no offense but i'm in no mood to assuage sudden white hand-wringing over the one-drop rule in 2008. fuck off, vote for him or don't.

grrr said i wouldn't post here, i've taken to cynicism with a born again fervor and when the dems lose I'MA GET PAID

I honestly can't conceive of a scenario where the Dems lose this election - barring some sort of unpredictable, world-shattering event that completely changes the playing field

THIS JUST IN: BRITNEY GETS CUSTODY

Dems screwed now

http://thepage.time.com/letter-to-afscme-president-mcentee

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/romney-i-can-post-up-against-barack-obama/

who is he kidding

don't think that line will last long if bradley's on the ticket

i mean no offense but i'm in no mood to assuage sudden white hand-wringing over the one-drop rule in 2008. fuck off, vote for him or don't.

-- tremendoid, Monday, January 7, 2008 11:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

sounds like you got your own issues. i just think its interesting. and, you know, maybe what the american public or factions thereof think about race is complicated.

omarobama bradley

apparently obama in a decent baller himself

"i too was seduced by jfk" - hillary staffer on the radio

if hilary people are conceding obama is jfk like then its over for her

it seems like today is the day the media decided this shit is over

artdamages you're right and i'm sorry and no fucking duh it's complicated URGE TO KILL RISING uh again i'm sorry.

its cool

i happened to be thinking about the question of obama, his race, his candidacy, and the possibility of his presidency, and I couldn't help but wonder -- and this is optimistic -- that an obama presidency could prove to be a profound touchstone for a conversation about race on a scale that this country hasn't seen since the civil rights era. whether people describe him as african-american, as 'acceptably black,' as multiracial, or however, everyone is going to have an opinion on the subject, and his candidacy is not going pass unremarked on this issue.

i just hope the process is more productive than ilx racism threads.

A survey taken late last month for CBS found that nearly 40% of black voters in South Carolina believed the country was not "ready to elect a black president," compared with 34% of whites -- a sentiment that Obama aides viewed as a far greater impediment to his election than flat-out racism among those who would never vote for him anyway.

two out of three of my black coworkers I interact with on a daily basis were retreading the "gonna get shot" narrative angle the morning after iowa

retreading the "gonna get shot" narrative

this had occurred to me, too ;_;

deej, source?

LA times
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