i think lexrese is making quite an important subtle point, albeit in a defensive and accusatory way (so that for example when i agree with him and cite the fashion thing as a way to see what he's saying more clearly, he jumps down my throat)
the point about gay culture, lexrese, is partly this: that for some men — i'm one in fact — gay culture is less valuable because it gives me space to jump into bed with men than because it gives me space to refuse routine norms of manliness IRRESPECTIVE of who I'd prefer to go to bed with. This space wasn't there 30 years ago: now it is. So it;s an index of potential fluidity, but ALSO a sign of the need for (yearning for) such fluidity. I'm not saying gay men stand for all men: I *am* saying, the huge take-up of the "queer" option is NOT just a reflection of previously impossible or illegal genital sexualities — gender of partners for some (many?) may well be a secondary draw, compared to availability on non-conformist versions of masculinity. I also think there are drawbacks and problems to this situation; that it's an uneasy waystation en route to a solution, which elicits more resistance than assent.
― mark s, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kim, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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i think that you are ignoring some very important factors with this statement... such as that domestic violence is perpetrated against women and children much more than it is perpetrated by women against men. hence probably reported less.
― di, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
It's important to note that there's some very real dispute on this point: some studies have reported that the percentage of domestic violence, instigated by women in heterosexual couples, has approached 50% in some parts of the world (e.g. America and Western Europe, but probably not the Middle East). Even if that statistic is inflated, which certainly it might be, there's certainly little doubt that female-on-male domestic violence is very underreported, for reasons that are fairly obvious -- embarrassment, fear of not being taken seriously, fear that the abuser will claim to be the victim and take advantage of police expectations of gender roles, etc.
This doesn't much affect your point on children, however.
― Phil, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kim, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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― maryann, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
"For violent offenses, males have been victimized at higher rates than females, but the rates are getting closer. [If you look at the line graph they provide, in 1973 about twice as many men were the victims of violent crimes, and now about 42% more men are victims].
Rape and sexual assault were the exception to the gender pattern; females were raped or sexually assaulted at a rate many times that of males in 2000.
* Intimate violence is primarily a crime against women -- in 1998, females were the victims in 72% of intimate murders and the victims of about 85% of nonlethal intimate violence.
* In 1998, women experienced an estimated 876,340 rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault and simple assault victimizations at the hands of an intimate, down from 1.1 million in 1993. In both 1993 and 1998, men were victims of about 160,000 violent crimes by an intimate partner. "
here
The use of guns alters the demographic profile of crime. From this evidence it seems that in a country where men have access to guns, they are more likely to kill each other, whereas in countries where access to guns is more difficult, they will victimise women and children.
I don't really have any opinion on what the solution to this problem is or who is more at fault, by the way. I just hate random statistics.
― Kim, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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― Scott, Friday, 4 October 2002 00:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think often men are emotionally terrified by women in a way that isn't clearly discernible to women. (other than through the horrible experience of being beaten by them)
― "Leslie", Friday, 4 October 2002 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― Stephen Ancroid, Monday, 3 February 2003 23:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 09:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
Stephen Ancroid, I can't speak for all women (though I'm confident I could speak for many) but I promise I will never cut off your penis, or burst into your locker room after a big game, or have you impregnate me, so if you are one of the (some) men who hate women (and you do seem to be listing reasons for why some do, as though these are valid grounds for misogyny,) then I think it's a little unfair because an enormous number of us- probably most of us- will never go anywhere near your penis, not with a knife, nor a microphone, nor a vagina.
― estela, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― smee (smee), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
it's upsetting because it's true.
― g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm rather more inclined to think that this kind of thinking might explain bad reviews from women, personally.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
Condoms break. Not that rarely, too IME. Admittedly, chance of accident decreases, but, well, THIS REALLY SCARES ME.
― SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Arguably not a good idea in Thailand though.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― Stephen Ancroid, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 6 February 2003 06:45 (twenty-one years ago) link