― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link
oh! i didn't know that one person like this actually existed! carry on with the generalizations then!
seriously though, from my experience, the "i don't leave the eastside" people are far more vocal and obnoxious about the sentiment. in fact, i can't recall ever meeting anyone who used the "i don't leave the westside" catchphrase.
― something about dan aykroyd coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link
The city of South Pasadena exists for only one thing - blocking the 710 freeway extension. Their hatred is ever-lasting, ever-intense, and completely unstoppable. So intense is their fury that the city incorporated long before the 710 came into being.
Everyone else in Southern California wants to call South Pasadena NIMBYville, and I totally agree.
Of course I work there and take the Gold Line three days a week. Pave the whole damn thing over as far as I'm concerned.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Hang out in Ocean Park/Venice more often. I know folks over there who think of anything west of BUNDY as "the mainland." And at least one Main Street retailer hawking tees with the logo AWoL (Always West Of Lincoln).
Oh yes, they're out there...
Easy enough for the Eastsidaz to take the same attitude. They've got Amoeba.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― something about dan aykroyd coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:51 (nineteen years ago) link
the bar is great, but the roof's even better!
― metal detective (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link
None received! I just felt misunderstood!
My ex-gf lives in South Pasadena, it's really nice!
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 06:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― metal detective (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 06:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Did you go to USC Vic? I took a couple of Boyd's classes which were a lot of fun. - I did indeed live through... all that. And it's never been about TS: Casper vs. Boyd for me, as MacPherson was hands down better than both
Have you folx been to the bar at Hotel Figueroa? Parking's terrible, but last time I was there was v. cool.
-- Remy (rem...), June 15th, 2005.
I think we did once! Wasn't that a Thanksgiving FAP with Brian?
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), June 15th, 2005.
No no that was at the HMS Bounty on Wilshire in Koreatown right across from the legendary Ambassador Hotel / Coconut Grove (depicted in The Aviator) - it's only gotten scene-ier since then, as apparently Ev@ Longoria or whatever she's called is a "regular." But it's still pretty chill, and getting drunk there is fun if you have any imagination coz the whole make-believing you're inside a boat thing is v easy to do.
I like the Hotel Figueroa, especially the Moroccan-themed bar / mezzanine inside, plus the ornate bathrooms downstairs, but every time i've gone there and hung out near the pool w/ a drink my friends and i have gotten a VERY weird vibe for whatever reason...as if we're surrounded by robotic USC frat-prepboys instead of real people. Which is probably true... fwiw The Fig is nice but I think the Bonaventure + the Biltmore easily pwn it hands down
dude, they are everywhere, really. Just to go back to overusing Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Los_Angeles
The Westside's traffic congestion is legendary. Although once served by the Pacific Electric Railroad's streetcars, it was the first region of Los Angeles to be developed largely around the automobile, and is notorious for its lack of significant public transportation. Its residents are also noted for their NIMBY attitude toward transportation projects such as the Exposition Boulevard light rail line and the Wilshire Boulevard extension of the MTA Red Line subway, although this has begun to change as traffic continues to attenuate the region's quality of life. The almost transcendently gridlocked San Diego Freeway is the primary transportation corridor in the region, and much of the area's commercial development is along it. The proposed Pacific Coast, Beverly Hills, and Laurel Canyon freeways undoubtedly would have sped up the region's traffic flow, but went unbuilt in the face of massive community opposition; unfortunately, a great deal of high-density development took place in anticipation of these roadways' construction, resulting in significant congestion on the area's surface streets. In particular, getting to Hollywood from the West Side is notoriously difficult, with major east-west streets between the regions jammed during virtually all waking hours.
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Culture
The Westside is generally thought of as the white part of the city of Los Angeles, in contrast to Latino-dominated East Side, the Latino and Asian areas such as Pico-Union and Koreatown in and around downtown, and the black and Latino neighborhoods of South Central. Despite the two areas' relative proximity, many Westsiders rarely cross the Santa Monica Freeway into South Central, or at least they go no further east or south than the University of Southern California campus and the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. In fact, a longstanding phrase amongst Westside natives is "Life ends east of Sepulveda."
East of Sepulveda? Thats frankly appalling. They're missing 80% of "the city" - but, by choice! I just cannot comprehend this viewpoint of self-denial, but then again I didn't grow up near a beach. Just asking you directly dean, what is it that compels you to not go "East of La Brea" ? You can't really deny that most of the city's historic, architectural and cultural landmarks and institutions (LACMA @ Stanley/Fairfax is close enough to count) are on this side. Why avoid it?
If we're ever to develop and progress further as a unified, distinct city we have to get rid of any of these provincialized/localized attitudes that only foster more divisiveness, esp along racial and socio-economic lines. ALL of Los Angeles should be for ALL TEH PPL RAH
― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:27 (nineteen years ago) link
we can't develop in any way unless we truly believe we are living in a GREBT PLACE OK...& WE R
― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― metal detective (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:36 (nineteen years ago) link
This is corny bullshit. Use your brain, Vic. Have you actually heard this in "real life"? Anyone who says this is a douchebag and you've got to be one too if you're this gullible.
Just asking you directly dean, what is it that compels you to not go "East of La Brea" ? You can't really deny that most of the city's historic, architectural and cultural landmarks and institutions (LACMA @ Stanley/Fairfax is close enough to count) are on this side. Why avoid it?
Remember your parody argument? Gee, now do you think I was serious?
― something about dan aykroyd coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― something about dan aykroyd coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link
And wasn't the original Zankou in Glendale?
― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link
The lack of a world class Metro is very unbelievable... and embarrassing. I mean come on, a city that had horrid "third world" traffic a decade ago replete with rickshaws and coolies - BANGKOK - even they have a citywide train now. Watching that LAPI film in a packed Egyptian Theatre screening with people clapping and cheering at all the old landmarks (some of which are no longer there...I also don't remember the black building's name...and that one rollerink that was in Xanadu) was a lot of fun, but I actually felt intensely sad when it went into the history of public transport (and Bunker Hill, etc), since one almost gets the sense that LA was egregiously swindled, and still doesn't fully realize it. Didn't the film mention that the decision to not implement a metro in the 50s was won by only two votes on the citywide council?
Echoing my last post: you dont want to see any place improve, or even care to, if you don't like it in the first place.... and if you don't like it here: leave!!
― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, she's great.
You can't really deny that most of the city's historic, architectural and cultural landmarks and institutions (LACMA @ Stanley/Fairfax is close enough to count) are on this side. Why avoid it?
Isn't that just a fancy way of saying the East side is better? The fact is most people don't often venture beyond their little neighborhood. Most people only come to the west side on a Saturday or Sunday during 3 months out of the year to go to the beach. Other than that, people might come out to go to the Getty or something. How is that much different from westsiders only venturing out occassionally to visit the MOCA or LACMA?
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Until I saw the prices for Rose Bowl tickets...who got da hook up?
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Hurrah! He is free! Perhaps.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
Vik, you're also saying some incredibly offensive things about certain groups of Angeleno's. The comments border on hate speech as far as I'm concerned.
Also, the Bounty has survived far worse than Eva Longoria (and has more famous semi-regulars).
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm more interested in hearing your (hopefully a bit elaborated) opinion on why there is no Metro, what lack-of-development led to it being this way. It's easy to claim offense, but why don't you add to the discussion and set it right then? I have civic proide but it's not that I have an excess of personal pride in that I won't be corrected - CORRECT ME CHOW! SET ME STR8 (good luck w/ that)
― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.visitwesthollywood.com/whpress/images/map.gif
The black line is The City of West Hollywood. The classic definition of the Fairfax district is not within the city boundary at all. Also, Fairfax continues for many miles south going through many different neighborhoods.
It seems like you're reading the most hysterical accounts of why people vote for what and taking it at face value, or you're making sweeping generalizations based on hackneyed assumptions about a person would or wouldn't want something in their neighborhood. Even if it is a NIMBY attitude, I find it difficult to blame a person for being self-centered at a highly local level (and I don't even necessarily believe that is what's going on regarding potential Metro extensions).
I think it's fine to discuss this and I'm really happy you brought it up, but I also think that you're jumping to extreme conclusions (perhaps in jest?).
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link