I expect he praised him in the same way Stan Boardman and pretty much all the stand-ups of their generation have done
I was listening to Jim Davidson phoning into the Jeremy Vine Show earlier, saying that Manning wasn't racist because he didn't think he was racist, rather he just thought he was funny because he made people laugh.
So, yeah, we're rid of Manning, now for the rest of the fucktards that think asking a black audience memeber if they're enjoying their night out in the comedy club because it makes a difference from swinging from trees funny, the ones that kept Bernard Manning in a job for so many more years than was ever necessary.
(not that I'm defending the first half of Davidson's argument at all, but there's a glimmer of a point in the second part - if no-one laughed, surely he and his ilk would just give up?)
― ailsa, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Manning left the country???
― JTS, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway I never forgave him for publicly traducing Peter Cook (who was sitting next to him) on the Joan Rivers Show
(xp) I actually thought the subtext of that was "You used to be very funny Peter - what are you doing wasting your time with this shit". Which was fair comment.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I watched it at the time and it seemed much more snide rather than admonitory, but fair enough, Ms Rivers didn't exactly give PC much to do (sometimes having enough FUCK YOU money can work against a performer)...
Ailsa xpost: well, Andy Cameron's still going...
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:47 (sixteen years ago) link
now for the rest of the fucktards that think asking a black audience memeber if they're enjoying their night out in the comedy club because it makes a difference from swinging from trees funny, the ones that kept Bernard Manning in a job for so many more years than was ever necessary.
you'd think black people would stop going to the gigs after that many years!
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:48 (sixteen years ago) link
A bit like David Cameron liking the Smiths innit.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I just figured "metropolitan elite" referred to london cultural stranglehold over uk.
I'm wary of generalisation wrt uk/northern working class, b/c I AM ONE, but I remember Manning turning up on I think "OTT" which'll have been late '70's/early '80's and my mother leaping up to turn the TV over before he even opened his mouth, I asked her what it was all about - she was disgusted both by him and his act. We were a bit like the Royles, but a little more pretentious/upmarket, maybe.
I don't recall any of my aunties & uncles liking manning's steez either, they all thought he was repulsive. My father in law thinks chubby brown is funny, but thought manning was beyond the pale.
One thing that annoyed me reading that mail comments page was all those bellends making out that manning represented northern WC humour. I'm northern WC, so are most of my IRL friends. I think manning was a hateful, unfunny shit, or at least his act was that. I can't remember anyone I know ever, ever expressing any appreciation for the guy. What a load of fucking bollocks.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link
David Cameron, Andy Cameron - Which Cameron Makes You Laugh Most?
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link
The Pash OTM
you guys are obsessed with Cameron
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Well he did release two of the most memorable football songs ever
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link
True Lies was a stinker tho
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link
What Pash said.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Cameron made a football record? I thought the only ball game he knew was the Eton Wall game.
― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, re that tirade against Peter Cook. I didn't know pete was "in character"!!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Farewell and god bless to a real comedian. He only put into words what we wanted to hear, jokes about present day life. If that meant immigrants or sexual deviants then so be it, that is life. A PC comedian is as funny as paint drying, we need to laugh about things to stop them from getting us down.- John, Tendring, England
- John, Tendring, England
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=462884&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link
OTT discussion/reminiscences conspicuously absent from Tiswas Revisited prog.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link
CONSPIRACY OF JOHN
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link
xxp r these people living in 1990
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link
It's a cop out to say that because you tell jokes about everyone equally your material should not be deemed as offensive. Like it or not Bernard Manning's humour did appeal more to the bigoted than anyone else although they would be the last to acknowledge their bigotry.- Kathy Jones, Herts, England
- Kathy Jones, Herts, England
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:03 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
Yes, I was wondering about that myself.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Manning's act was also really dated in race terms: lots of jokes about first generation black (Carribean, I suppose) immigrants, no material about asylum seekers or Poles. If you can't even be bothered to keep your racism up to date...
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Indeed, he was past it years ago, like 15 years ago
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link
It's like Freddie Starr surviving for 40 years on the same 40-year-old act, i.e. his Jagger will always be "Not Fade Away" and so on and so forth. His relative lack of exposure on TV (doing his act, as opposed to appearing on chat shows) probably worked in Manning's favour since he behaved exactly like the music hall acts of the pre-TV era, ceaselessly working the country with the same ten-minute act for decades.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link
The thing Ailsa is referring to, IIRC, was a coppers' night out, so dude probably didn't have much choice. The unexpurgated version of it is... eye-opening, I daresay it's online somewhere
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:40 (sixteen years ago) link
not as funny as the time the BNP booked that black DJ for one of their do's.
― blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:45 (sixteen years ago) link
But he did update it. Didn't you read his own obituary?
Indeed, my act was an equally big success on the other side of the Atlantic, though I had to adapt his material for American audiences. So Irish jokes became Polish ones, such as: "This Polish man gets a job in Californian zoo. One day a workmate says to him, "For $2,000, would you have sex with the gorilla in that cage?""The Pole thinks for a minute and then says, "Yeah, all right. But on three conditions. First, that I don't have to kiss her. Second, that you don't tell any of my mates. And third, that you give me a fortnight to get the money together"."I supposed the animal rights lobby would get me on that one.
"The Pole thinks for a minute and then says, "Yeah, all right. But on three conditions. First, that I don't have to kiss her. Second, that you don't tell any of my mates. And third, that you give me a fortnight to get the money together"."
I supposed the animal rights lobby would get me on that one.
Those pesky animal rights lobbys. Is there a comprehensive list of members of the PC Brigade?
xxxpost
― Bocken Social Scene, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Seriously who do all these people banging on about "the antidote to PC comedians" even have in mind?
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:49 (sixteen years ago) link
"A good racist comedian will always whup a bad PC one"
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link
(xxp) No no no, that's not an update, that's just substituting Irish=Thick UK bigotry for Polish=Thick US bigotry - both of which are out of date anyway (well, Irish=Thick is anyway). A modern Polish joke would more likely be about them working all hours for hardly any money...
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
... like, when I said (to Ailsa I think) about Celtic's useless Polish centre forward Maciej Zurawski, "He must the least hard working Pole in Britain". Y'see, I'm a racist comic who does keep up to date.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Hopefully this will see a return of John Thomsons's mid 90s comedy creation Bernard Right-On. "A Jew, a Pakistani, and a black fellow are drinking in a pub together. What a lovely example of an integrated community."
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svLyyzBC_qI
bernard right-on
― pisces, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link
My bad, I misread 'adapt' as 'update', and thought it was funny that he was just reinforcing that his "I just make jokes about things that are funny" is really just "my jokes are based on stereotypes".
Obv.
The BBC Breakfast News woman seemed even more emotional than usual today - I just saw a bit where she was holding up his obituary thing in the Mail as if he'd suffered the greatest injustices ever.
― Bocken Social Scene, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Bernard Manning - the People's Racist
― NickB, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought that was Emily Parr
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link
... no, my mistake, she is "The Racist of Hearts"
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link
It's like Freddie Starr surviving for 40 years on the same 40-year-old act, i.e. his Jagger will always be "Not Fade Away" and so on and so forth.
to be fair it's not like jagger's moved far beyond the mid-sixties either.
― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Then again, faced with a choice of Bernard Manning and Jeremy Hardy...
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
He should really think about adding a Louis J routine to his act (xp)
― Tom D., Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
What are Mick Jagger's views on veteran ostrich-straddling funnyman Bernie Clifton?
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Tom Hibbert's Bernard Manning interview in Q to thread.
Your wish is my command... (Hopefully these will load ok)
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He really was a charmer, wasn't he?
― Billy Dods, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1304/575444605_386910e462_o.jpg
― Billy Dods, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link
the writer there really comes across as a bit of a prick.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
We British used to have a saying: "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it". Since the election of New Labour in 1997, our country has been hijacked by a wicked Left wing attitude which, like all Left wing attitudes, involves control. Bernard Manning told jokes which were caricatures of people's behaviour. We all know that people's behaviour is determined by their age, sex, gender, race, culture, political beliefs, religion, etc. It is all of these elements that make us what we are. As soon as you behave in a way that makes you stand out from the crowd, you will be noticed and some people will make comments about it. Bernard Manning insulted people with humour. If you were on the receiving end, I can understand why you would not like it, but words were as far as he went. He did not commit gun crime, knife crime, drug crime, plant bombs, or kidnap people and execute them. The Left has sympathy with all of these criminals, but not Bernard.- Mr. J. Smith, Birmingham, England
- Mr. J. Smith, Birmingham, England
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link
the writer there really comes across as being a bit of a prick.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link
The Left has to do something about it, not Bernard.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link
hahaha.
The otherwise inept compere at a Stepney comedy club the other night suggested we honour his memory with a minute's racism.
― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:49 (sixteen years ago) link
didn't he do a lot of sexist jokes as well?
― blueski, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
He told jokes about 'em all Steve, and what's more they all came in his club, and they loved it. Each and every single one of them.
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link