Defend the Indefensible: Cocaine

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That leads me to a chemistry question I've always wondered about - is it actually possible for different batches of drugs ('good' LSD vs. 'bad', 'mellow' pot vs schwag, Jager vs. bourbon) to impart different feelings and reactions? LSD is LSD I would think - if you're hallucinating, the chemical composition has to be roughly the same.

"Good" LSD vs "Bad" is a matter of what else is in it, how it's made, etc. Sure, the active ingredient is the same, but always occurs in different concentrations (even from one side of the sheet to the next), and all the other shit that can end up in your acid can make it vary a lot. Same with Bourbon and Jager, roughly.

High grade pot and schwag are almost totally different drugs, though.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I developed quite the habit of bumming in college. This has been rectified by my not giving a shit

-+-+--++, Friday, 21 April 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

E caused me to curl up fetal in the nearest dark corner and obsess about every bad thing I've ever done, and everything bad that's ever happened to me.

That's exactly what happens to me when I smoke pot! I've taken E a handful of times and never gotten off on it, although a few of those times involved other substances so who knows, really.

I guess one by one, all the drugs I used to take stopped being fun for me and now I just drink beer. I'm pretty content that way, although I wouldn't suggest that anybody else need to adopt my person habits. When it was fun, it was really fun.

Safety First (pullapartgirl), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Alright...sorry, Dan. I'm getting a little punchy with the last 1.5 hours of the week promising to go as slowly as the others did.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

That's exactly what happens to me when I smoke pot!

That's what happens to me when I smoke shitty Mexican cornfield pot. But O! Canada!

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

E>>>>>Coke>>>>>>>>Weed.

Nothing against weed per se (stoned people are fine, if sometimes alittle dull) I just personally don't have a great reaction to it.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

"Cheap weed, OTOH, makes me paranoid, dehydrated and miserable..."

You guys are crazy! Cheap mexican pretendica is preferable to gnarly skunk, no freak-outs and "oh my god, my heart, MY HEART!" shit. I go out of my way to get crap mexiweed, just good, relaxing times.

andy --, Friday, 21 April 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

That's exactly what happens to me when I smoke pot!

It happens on pot, but less severe. It's more like bad thoughts keep creeping up on me if I'm bored.

That's what happens to me when I smoke shitty Mexican cornfield pot.

See the thing for me is that I feel like a lot of pot is too powerful. Maybe I've gotten bad stuff, but usually my friends rave about stuff from the same stash. I miss the days of a mellow smoke-out, where I didn't feel the need for anything but music. It makes me kind of antsy and hyper now.

I don't really do anything but beer and/or Jameson any more either. Seems like I'm too old for drugs now or something. Boo hoo.

josh in sf (stfu kthx), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

andy otm

josh in sf (stfu kthx), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, andy otm. it's rare to have a great time on good pot in my experience. it generally either freaks me out and/or makes me completely useless. with cheap pot, however, i can have a laugh, some drinks, enjoy stuff, make music, etc. and feel like i've used the stuff, made it worth my while.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

josh otm & andy otm.

will take the cheap mex mix over the high cost chronic anyday. Now-a-days designer chronic gets me hyped and racy - not the nice old fashioned calm & mellow high. I just steer clear these days and have a martini instead.

never did understand the joy of coke neither. just like 5 espressos with a numb nose and mouth. pfft. too much money for the jitters.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, like I said, it's like a different drug. To me. And I prefer to mix the really strong stuff with some tobacco and smoke it slow, rather than roll up a whole joint of it or (god) take a bong hit. Yeah, that'll incapacitate you, of course. But the cheap weed just makes me feel bad.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

It's amazing to me that no one has quoted Rick James yet on this thread.
: I don't do drugs; I smoke weed.

Holy makkara, Toivo! (OutDatWay), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, that should have said "Cocaine is teh suxx0r. Then again: I don't..."

Holy makkara, Toivo! (OutDatWay), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

The post-coke embarassment is nothing like post-E embarassment. Talking shit vs. everyone's my best friend ever and oh this carpet feels so good and ooooh need more water... A drug that turns you into an asshole is inherently better than one that turns you into a hippie.

NOTM. I'd rather embarass myself by telling people I think they're great than do it by telling people I'm great. In my recent experience, cokeheads are nothing but wankers. Some dude got brought along to our place last night, burst into my room where our drummer, a friend and I were sharing a scliff, and basically ordered him to play his request on the drums. At 3am. Since there was no drumstool, he wrenched a chair away from my friend and started shouting at the top of his voice to play a "tune" on the drums.
Only last week a very attractive girl who'd obviously been truffling it up was walking around our kitchen and flirting with anyone who came in, only to put them down and laugh in their faces.
Two weeks ago was the worst. This guy - this fucking guy wouldn't leave even though all his mates had disappeared home and given up on him. "Gimme a beer and then I'll go" etc. He even tried to steal my coat because he was only wearing a t-shirt and claimed it was okay because "We know each other's families" whatever that was supposed to mean. He knew my ex-girlfriend's mum is about as close as we were. I remember him from when I used to work in an off-licence and he'd come in with his pregnant beat-up girlfriend and shout at her and the staff. Total fucking prick. And all these people had been doing charlie.
I've tried it a couple of times and found it doesn't really give me a "high" other than the ability to chat to anyone and everyone about my stupid life. I have friends who've gone through stages and they would basically blank me or fob me off with some superior comment when I met them out and about and they were on it.
My town used to be a nice friendly place to go but now can be a little scary going out what with cokos and their smart alec nonsequitors and threatening attitdues. It's bullshit.

drug latin (dog latin), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

the problem with coke is that even though people who don't do it are making the right choice, you still feel like you're missing out. i don't feel much angst over never having tried being exposed to asbestos.

yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Just curious, has anybody else done so much that they became over-stimulated and fell asleep?

Yes! The first bump or line make me yawn like crazy. But then there comes a point where I am irrevocably awake.

I know the calm feeling too. It's like my body is vibrating at such a speed that it's humming smoothly and calmly.

One night w/ a certain ILXor who has not yet contributed here I was hanging out snorting big ol' lines, falling asleep sitting on the couch, waking, snorting, sleeping on through morning. Ugh.

It has been 10 months since I lasted used cocaine.

Whispy Fandango Triphop (unclejessjess), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i can ALWAYS sleep on coke. and acid.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

what does that say about my brain chemistry?

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

doglatin, it sounds like you have the misfortune to know a lot of jerks. i really doubt that the people you mentioned would behave much differently if you took the cocaine out of the equation. my friends who act like assholes on coke without exception act the same way when they've been drinking heavily with no coke. main difference is that they can carry on until like 9am instead of 4am.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

lauren is utterly OTM in my experience but now I'm sounding like a broken record about asses being asses no matter what drugs you give them.

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

also, it sounds like you barely know any of these people. why are you having wife-beating randoms back to yours late at night? i don't mean to sound bitchy, but a solution to the problem of aggro cokehead monsters taking over your town might be to enforce a stricter back-to-mine policy.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

a stricter back-to-mine policy.

which can be difficult once coke gets involved (see 9am effect)

Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

true, but i've learned to become merciless about the whole thing.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

once bitten, twice shy etc.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I would absolutely agree that any drug has a very personal effect on the individual user e.g. Stella being called wifebeater is a dumasshit excuse for dicks behaving like dicks simply because they drink the stuff. I like stella from time to time but i'm not an agressive sober person therefore am not an agressive drunk either, regardless of the particular beverage involved.

But I think coke is kinda different. It does fuck with your ego in a way no other drug does. It may not completely transform a person into a unrecognizable form - they're obviously still themself, just a characature - but it never turns you into someone who's more enjoyable to be around than when you're not on it. You may think you're a more interesting/exciting/witty/inciteful person but for everyone else you're pretty much a fucking bore.

That being said I do enjoy it but am aware and accepting of these effects but do it very very very occasionally.

uptoeleven (uptoeleven), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess one by one, all the drugs I used to take stopped being fun for me and now I just drink beer. I'm pretty content that way, although I wouldn't suggest that anybody else need to adopt my person habits. When it was fun, it was really fun.

This is how it's been for me, too. Coke was a very occasional thing for me a year or two ago, pot an all the time thing. Now, it's no coke and very rarely pot, and beer, well, a lot.

gbx (skowly), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

ditto to gbx.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Chances are good, though, that I'll start swinging away booze and back towards pot once school starts (hippies + skiing + mountain town).

gbx (skowly), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i've never done coke with lauren!

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I am hoping to take up pot again when I am in my late 50s. I'll bake stuff with it or something. It's better that way anyhow.

josh in sf (stfu kthx), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

also, it sounds like you barely know any of these people. why are you having wife-beating randoms back to yours late at night? i don't mean to sound bitchy, but a solution to the problem of aggro cokehead monsters taking over your town might be to enforce a stricter back-to-mine policy.

Okay, see I live in a medium-sized market town in the middle of the town centre above a pub. It is a VERY accessible place and I share it with three other blokes, all in our mid 20s. It is also a VERY big house and is basically built for partying and we like to have our friends come over at the weekends since the drinking hours round here are fairly unsociable (most places close by 11 or 12). The clubs round here are frankly shite and no one I know goes to them.. The novelty of having this place is yet to wear off and since moving here it's become a regular thing to invite our friends back for a drink or a smoke. The problem with being in quite a small town is everyone knows each other by at least 3 degrees of seperation. Once it's all back to ours, it really is ALL back to ours. Once you let 3 people in, they want to bring their mates and they want to bring their mates etc etc. Obviously we've become a fairly popular bunch but I can't help feeling some people are taking advantage of this and taking the piss. Only tonight someone asked me if we're having people back which kind of annoyed me since I only knew the guy not that well.
It's very difficult if you've got a small gang of people in your house and Mr Coko turns up with his mates and asks if Josie's in and if they can come in too - what do you say? And obviously it's not so easy to tell if these people are decent or not. Kick them out? Sure, but how - especially if they're coked up?
I could have a policy where no one's allowed round but on the whole people tend to be well behaved, respect the house and the guests and the people living there. But once in a while it's inevitable that some mong's going to start getting ridiculous about things. I'm quite used to dealing with drunks, being one myself but cokeheads are impossible to deal with, and it's very obvious who is drunk and who is doing something else since the kind of behviour I've witnessed in recent months is unlike anything I've ever seen. It is scarey and it is very difficult to reason with.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

it's also to do with, because the four of us are never quite sure who invited who (the wifebeater cunt had been invited back as a friend of a friend of my flatmate's, you see).

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

option a: stop having people round for a solid month or two, until things cool down and the lame-os find somewhere else to go. then start quietly inviting friends back, explain the situation and hope for the best;

option b: there's four of you and you're in your twenties => surely if there are people you don't know in your house who are flipping out, you and your friends can give them the heave-ho?

yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

if we kick them out we WILL kill them. There is a looong flight of steps to the main entrance and I ain't mopping up any blood. Besides we've got the deposit to think about.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

but yes, we've agreed to calm down and have a stricter policy, especially after last night when i hardly knew anyone who was in my house.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i like pton_mwaah's option a) the best - it might be nice to just take a breather for awhile, and not get into a rut. plus no hurt feelings since it's a blanket policy.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

by the way, it's 1am your time on a Friday night - are you typing this from a chandelier?

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

how did you know?!

no i have a wedding to go to tomorrow so i'm taking it easy. I can hear a girl talking quite loudly downstairs. This time I know who she is and it's Friday night, so I'll let my flatmates off.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I bum so much from my friend Renee that periodically I just buy her whole packs.

I do this quite often. I don't like having packs cause I tend to smoke them more often, and I can go for weeks without cigarettes if I don't have them around. So I buy packs for friends and feel less guilty about bumming a smoke from them every once in a while.

As for coke, I've never done it. I've never even been see it or had it offered to me, and I don't think I'd do it if it was offered. But every once in a while I have very vivid dreams of snorting big Scarface-stile piles of coke. I have no idea why.

joygoat (joygoat), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

yeh i get those dreams joygoat. very strange and vivid.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess I'm the bleeding-heart guy shitting in everybody's sundae on this thread, then, because I can't defend the indefensible. Never been able to reconcile poor Latin Americans smuggling coke into the U.S. (as is the case with most of the coke in the States) with obnoxious club kids flashing tit on LastNightsParty.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link

OTMFM

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

but but what about those poor latin americans picking bananas so americans can get their potassium

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link

They just don't support the economy the wat those poor Latin Americans picking coca leaves do.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

and you know, the bananas you're eating were probably smuggled into the states through some mule's lower intestines and then shit out. all so some fucking hipsters can have something nice and sweet on their corn flakes.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

You cannot deny that cocaine smuggling supports all kinds of bad shit. Heroin from Afghanistan is small potatoes compared to cocaine from Latin America. As I said before on another thread, when you do cocaine, you have blood on your hands. I'm not saying that as a judgement, but it's the truth. Cocaine is a walking, talking-way-too-much human rights violation.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

obviously i know that cocaine smuggling =/= banana picking. anyways, youve been watching too much maria full of grace. isnt most coke smuggled in speedboats, trucks, and submarines?

also, if "fucking hipsters" were the only people that did coke, it wouldn't be a billion dollar industry. so why are you people equating cocaine to hipsters.

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link


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