2008 Primaries Thread

apparently he could ball so well cuz he had like crazy peripheral vision or some shit??

he's not that old either

Bradley's basketball ability was enhanced by his unusually wide peripheral vision. While most people's horizontal field covers 180 degrees, his covered 192 degrees. Vertically most people can see 47 degrees upward; Bradley could see 72 degrees.[3]

the next step in human evolution

new orleans is still a disaster area.

ground zero is still a hole in the ground.

more people without health insurance every week.

and soldiers dying every day.

but let's not mention any of this, let's be positive. jesus fc - born to lose

-- Tracer Hand, Monday, January 7, 2008 11:07 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

which is why spending time 'bush bashing' when you are trying to make the argument that through reasoned dialogue we can solve these problems is counterproductive to yr whole message (if you are obama)

is Shrum applying for a job? is Bradley?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpmbHvX9KtY

romney supporters in douchesack strategy shocker

when in the space of three years you've turned sentiment about the global hegemon from slight resentment/envy/admiration to outright fear and mistrust that automatically makes every global conflict 1,000 times more dangerous

i guess i'm tired of bill clinton's line that you need to talk about the other party as if they simply differ on the means to the same end that you want

Did any of you stop to think that maybe these people owned the signs? That they changed their mind after seeing McCain flip-flop on the bush tax cuts -- within a single interview? Or that they finally figured out he was lying about amnesty? Or maybe that they got tired of his playground bully shtick the other day?

These are not criminals. They realize they're being filmed and yet they are calm. Like you should be. Think, people.

when you are trying to make the argument that through reasoned dialogue we can solve these problems is counterproductive to yr whole message

i am trying to make the argument that we can solve these problems by booting as many republicans out of washington as humanly possible

yeah, i understand these signs are posted on public property etc etc and it's hard to source the video but it's still pretty amusing

EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD: THE 1ST THING OBAMA OR WHOEVER WILL DO IN THE GENERAL ELECTION IS TO TIE HUCKABEE MCCAIN OR WHOEVER TO BUSH - THERE WILL BE PLENTY BUSH BASHING JUST WAIT UNTIL THE PRIMARIES ARE DONE OK - WHOEVER SAID THIS WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH PROXIES IS CORRECT - LETS MOVE ON

thanx jh, we've been over that!

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

tracer, if you think that kicking republicans out of office and shoring up a massive democratic majority in the legislature is going to lead to less corruption over time, then you are most likely retarded.

the beltway consensus is that huckabee and obama are up because they represent a break from "the partisan politics of the past"

bullsh*t - they are up because they talk good and seem like winners; people just want things to get better than they are, for their looming insecurities about their finances, the environment, and the war to be stanched (immigration panic is a stand-in for these insecurities) and for an adult to be in charge - these challenges will require partisanship in order to get anything done over the republicans who will back and fill as long as it takes

haha jhøshea yeah ok

what we should talk abt is how obv conflicted bill is at the prospect of hil becoming president of the united states of america

i mean he really hates her right

elmo i actually don't really give a shit about "corruption" - i think it's actually the only way half the sh*t in the US gets done

Tracer Hand's War

as long as there are sterling ethical Dems like John Murtha around...!

Romney wins Wyoming GOP Caucus

Even Wyoming media shrugged. I had to struggle to find this on the Wyoming news site.

Bill Bradley got far less shafted by the media than Romney is now. Not shedding any tears here. "Interesting"

haha dig my selective censorship

jhøshea bill's autobiography contains another glowing encomium to hillary on like every other page - i guess you could say it's all calculated but it seems pretty real

actually democrats are less corrupt than republicans - which isnt saying much

sure part of that has to w/being the ruing party - but theres also just more tolerance for that sort of thing in their culture

looking like a winner is a big part of winning.

id say bill feels incredibly indebted to hillary - and intellectually he probably believes in her - but they have been married for 30 years so they do probably totally despise each other

but its his behavior more than any sort of reasoning that lead me to believe that hes not totally on board here - hes just seemed weirdly emotional and distracted the whole campaign

hey guys i feel better now

i think if elections were decided on the basis of logic and reason, we would have had Presidents Gore and/or Kerry. instead, we got Bush because Gore seemed like a robot, but then almost pulled it out when he got all fired up at the end. and we kept him because Kerry and Edwards presented a legal case clearly outlining the failures of the admin and people still went for the guy who admitted he kinda fucked up a little bit but was all aw-shucks about it. we won last time because people got shocked by katrina and finally got angry about the news, and we played to that against less attractive people.

if a partisan message decided elections better than one based upon personal characteristics, we would not hear regular interviews with undecided voters who fail to make any serious ideological distinctions between candidates, but want to vote for the person who seems the least "like a politician." if the message that one side is inherently better than the other got through to these people, it would have done so already. the best way to make it clear is by example - getting a transformational figure in office who can establish a solid majority that then produces solid results over time.

they have been married for 30 years so they do probably totally despise each other

i imagine just the reverse

"The people of Wyoming took the first step towards bringing true conservative change to Washington," Romney said in a statement. "I am honored to have won many of the first delegates awarded this primary season. As the Republican nominee, I promise to fight to seat all ofthe Wyoming's delegates at the national convention."

(I know I'm being an ass but lollers)

people still went for the guy who admitted he kinda fucked up a little bit but was all aw-shucks about it.

and who promised to save them from scary married gayz. "it's cuz people want a reglar guy" can easily mean "a reglar guy who panders to my bigotries." (obviously mexican terrorists will be the married gayz of this election. wonder if any gop operatives are trying to get immigrant-bashing initiatives on the state ballots, to really get out the nativist vote.)

the people who decided the election were not the people scared of married gayz

f the message that one side is inherently better than the other got through to these people, it would have done so already

Because it isn't true?

yes, we know about your strange ideas

tracer, if you think that kicking republicans out of office and shoring up a massive democratic majority in the legislature is going to lead to less corruption over time, then you are most likely retarded.

Bush and Gore, what's the difference?

^so fucking lame^ Keep those expecs at rock bottom.

sorry, but isn't it pretty elementary that majorities will seek to entrench their own advantage through corrupt means?

there's an old saw about power and corruption, but i won't insult your intelligence pretending i need to repeat it.

Yeah, keep those expecs of leaders who won't illegally invade foreign countries at the cost of thousands of lives and billions of dollars at rock bottom.

And honestly, as cynical as I can occassionally get about partisan politics, the issues of government transparency and reform are the strongest reasons why I cast my support for Obama.

Hillary now trying on Edwards' message: "This is very personal for me."

sorry, but isn't it pretty elementary that majorities will seek to entrench their own advantage through corrupt means?

duh. we also don't live in Zimbabwe. one side beats the other on policy every time.

^^lolz

joe trippi (GRAIN OF SALT) says hillary is broke http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/edwards_adviser_trippi_hillary_is_broke.php

what kind of reformer bona fides does Obama have?

or are you just going by "sit down with the insurance companies to fix healthcare"?

Yeah, keep those expecs of leaders who won't illegally invade foreign countries at the cost of thousands of lives and billions of dollars at rock bottom.

Yeah, Democrats and Republicans -- they'll all torture detainees, right? And repeal the Kyoto Treaty? Might as well go with Nader.

Clinton didn't sign the Kyoto treaty. Dems rolled over on torture (repeatedly)

what kind of reformer bona fides does Obama have?

-- Dr Morbius, Monday, January 7, 2008 1:06 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

or are you just going by "sit down with the insurance companies to fix healthcare"?

-- Dr Morbius, Monday, January 7, 2008 1:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

hey jerkass what are your solutions, then

He worked on ethics (lol) and death penalty reform in IL.

xp: I'm not running (this time), asswipe. Edwards's solutions will do.