JT Leroy is no joke perpetrated by anyone, he's BRILLIANT. And does make the occasional appearance. The only thing about the whole phenomenon that sucks is Ms C Love is angling to play the mum in the film of Sarah.
-- suzy, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (5 years ago) Link
lollololoolololol
― I am Robocop, Saturday, 23 June 2007 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
u is a sucka
; )
― RJG, Saturday, 23 June 2007 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Another Australian lit hoax I didn't know about is on that Wiki page - Wanda Koolmatrie, who turned out to be a male taxi driver rather than a female Indigenous member of the stolen generation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Koolmatrie
Interesting how so many of these hoaxes win literary awards, and the frequency with which they involve a white author purporting to provide an insider view of the life, culture and sturglle of a minority or oppressed group.
― moley, Saturday, 23 June 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, how they sturglle, those sturglling ones.
― moley, Saturday, 23 June 2007 23:35 (sixteen years ago) link
at least suzy didn't claim to be a personal friend.
― akm, Sunday, 24 June 2007 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Dude please, 2001? The book *had* just come out, I liked the writing, and yeah I have an old Cooper connection. BFD.
It could be a lot worse. One could be my former editor, who thought she was participating in phone conversations with JTL!
― suzy, Sunday, 24 June 2007 10:10 (sixteen years ago) link
this type of hoax is enabled and perpetuated by the type of person who is "in the know"--the type of person who pretends to know something when they just know someone (or know someone who knows someone, etc.) who has told them that they know something
― RJG, Sunday, 24 June 2007 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link
it's really not all that hard to fool people. people want to be fooled.
― scott seward, Sunday, 24 June 2007 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
nasdijj > leroy in all ways, he doesn't apologize or try to justify, he just spits incoherent venom at his enemies
-- J0hn D., Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:31 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
dunno who he's talking about or why spitting incoherent venom is what i'm looking for in a writer.
― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 24 June 2007 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
being fooled isn't embarrassing but lording it all over those who aren't "in the know" pretty much is.
― jed_, Sunday, 24 June 2007 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link
lol people still read books?
― 31g, Sunday, 24 June 2007 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link
it's funny how this writer's fiction turned out to be fiction
― Binjominia, Sunday, 24 June 2007 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
lol people still pretend to be "in the know" on the internets?
― am0n, Sunday, 24 June 2007 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
so is there like a reverse-backlash "wow! she's just like Andy Kaufman!" cult yet
― marmotwolof, Sunday, 24 June 2007 18:30 (sixteen years ago) link
is JT Leroy the small cat?
― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 24 June 2007 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I would love it if they introduced 'What is an Author' into evidence.
― Spencer Chow, Sunday, 24 June 2007 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link
english public schools had a standard question in their exams about the authorship of shakespeare's plays along those lines before yer foucaults and barthes were even born.
― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 24 June 2007 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link
everyone knows francis bacon wrote the plays
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 24 June 2007 21:47 (sixteen years ago) link
or was it marlowe
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1382/551965414_7897451a24_o.gif
― bobby bedelia, Sunday, 24 June 2007 22:02 (sixteen years ago) link
this is my favorite thread
― adam, Saturday, 28 January 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
omg can't believe jt leroy is guilty of fraud. what is this world coming to.
― Wrinklepaws
― buzza, Saturday, 28 January 2012 08:28 (twelve years ago) link
― Binjominia, Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:19 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― my super-power is to turn into a bowling ball (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 4 July 2013 06:39 (ten years ago) link
this is a good thread
― conrad, Thursday, 4 July 2013 09:23 (ten years ago) link
https://www.versobooks.com/events/1417-author-the-jt-leroy-story-with-an-introduction-by-juliet-jacques
― conrad, Saturday, 9 July 2016 13:34 (seven years ago) link
she's just like Andy Kaufman!" cult yet― marmotwolof, Sunday, 24 June 2007 18:30 (nine years ago)
― marmotwolof, Sunday, 24 June 2007 18:30 (nine years ago)
I gather the woman behind the whole thing has made a new documentary claiming just that about herself, at least by implication. Also that she recorded everyone's calls without their permission. Figure she's about to be in for a new world of legal hurt.
My girlfriend Kate and I just watched the other documentary that came out a year ago, The Cult of JT Leroy -- choppy at points but definitely a good portrait of a pretty fucked up situation. As much a portrayal of wanting to be part of the in crowd as anything else. As I said to Kate at one point, "Who was starfucking who here?" (Meantime the couple of telling clips from people who live and struggle through Leroy's supposed stomping grounds are telling in turn.)
The various posts at the start of the thread are definitely bemusing.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 05:04 (seven years ago) link
I only vaguely knew of this saga when it was happening/was revealed, but I really enjoyed her interview on WTF a week or so ago.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 05:38 (seven years ago) link
i LOVED this latest documentary. i don't really care how much laura albert says is true or not, i found the whole thing fascinating.
it was weird to me how identical her and savannah's voices/fake accents were. i wanted to know more about the relationship between them - how was laura conducting all these relationships over the phone, while savannah was maintaining them in person?? i had a general idea of the story before watching the doc, but no clue that the whole thing went on for like a decade - i was under the impression it had lasted maybe a year or so.
and all the recordings of conversations... THAT WAS FUCKING WEIRD. she recorded everything?? did the doc get permission from the people on the other end of the line to use those clips? i really wanted to here from more celebrities who were convinced j.t. was a real live person. i wanted to know what holes in the story people picked up on throughout those 10 years.
and laura's son! i wanted to know how he felt about all this.
― just1n3, Monday, 27 February 2017 03:08 (seven years ago) link
i only watched like 30 mins of this and bailed, maybe will revisit sometime, but my impression was maybe some of the recorded converstions were genuine but some struck me that they seemed reconstructed for the doc idk i could be wrong
― johnny crunch, Monday, 27 February 2017 15:03 (seven years ago) link
There was one taped convo where she was breaking up with her husband that I was a bit dubious about
― pointless rock guitar (Michael B), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:11 (seven years ago) link
i liked the doc but yeah i would have loved to hear more from savannah and the husband about their perspectives
― na (NA), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
maybe the recordings are part of the ongoing jt leroy mystique project(that's what i was thinking when i wondered the same thing about them)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 27 February 2017 15:23 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I started to wonder if they were just reenactments bit but they sounded real. So many questions.
― just1n3, Monday, 27 February 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
did the doc get permission from the people on the other end of the line to use those clips?
Nope.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/movies/asia-argento-and-others-are-angry-about-being-in-jt-leroy-documentary.html
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link