Now Is The Winter Of Our Dusty-dusty 2015/2016, What Are You Reading Now?

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Lillian Faderman - The Gay Revolution
Muriel Spark - Aiding and Abetting

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 December 2015 12:56 (eight years ago) link

anne hébert - kamouraska
jill leovy - ghettoside

flopson, Friday, 25 December 2015 18:10 (eight years ago) link

i am reading LUCRETIUS

it is AMAZING

i think i should start doing drugs just in its cosmic psychedelic mindblown honor

j., Friday, 25 December 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link

Which translation? Or are you among the few who can read the original latin?

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 25 December 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link

ronald melville for oxford, which dates to the late 90s. it seems to be quite sound. i've never read it before but i've studied epicureanism and it's clear he's trying to be accurate enough to get the arguments right. sublime verse too.

j., Friday, 25 December 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link

one must admire any philosopher who introduces the concept of atoms into the wider world, in verse!

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 25 December 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link

and w/ reflexive aplomb

And often it is a matter of great importance
How these same atoms combine, in what positions
They are held, what motions they give and take.
For these same atoms form sky, sea, land, rivers, sun,
The same compose crops, trees, and animals,
And have different motions, different combinations.
Why, in my verses everywhere you see
Are many letters common to many words,
But yet you must admit that words and lines
Differ in meaning and the sounds they make.
Such power have letters through mere change of order;
But atoms can bring more factors into play
To create all things in their variety.

j., Friday, 25 December 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link

Started Moby-Dick - Sure am all abt the canon this xmas season!

xyzzzz__, Friday, 25 December 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link

this year's christmas dickens is Pickwick Papers. which i've not really got that far into (for external reasons) and it doesn't feel much like the dickens that i've liked (i have 3 left after this, Nickelby, Chuzzlewit, Twist. and Drood.)

koogs, Friday, 25 December 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link

been thinking about reading edwin drood as my first ever dickens and then working my way backwards, i dunno.

halfway through gurdjieff's meetings with remarkable men. enjoying the tall tales but feel that i'm maybe not picking up on some embedded esoteric subtext contained within (or if it's even actually there or not). planning on sourcing a copy of the first part of all & everything (beelzebub's tales to his grandson) for reading next year, in any case.

no lime tangier, Friday, 25 December 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link

i started with Our Mutual Friend and read the second half first, entirely by accident.

am only reading PP during this trip home because a local pub* gets a one line mention in it, figured it was fitting.

* former royal coaching inn, now a Wetherspoons.**

** https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/gloucestershire/the-royal-hop-pole-tewkesbury

koogs, Friday, 25 December 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link

I read that same Lucretius translation a little while ago. It is amazing.

This strange cataclysmic ending scene:

And all the holy temples of the gods
Death filled with lifeless bodies, and everywhere
The shrines of the celestials, which the priests
Had filled with guests, stood loaded high with corpses.
For reverence now and worship of the gods
Counted for little, present grief was all.
No longer too the ancient customs stood
Of burial, which the city was wont to use.
Confusion and fear were everywhere, and in sorrow
Each buried his own as circumstance allowed.
And sudden need and poverty inspired them
To many actions horrible and shameful.
They placed their own kin on the funeral pyres
Of others, and with frenzied cries set light to them,
And often in the fighting that ensued
They shed much blood rather than leave the bodies.

jmm, Friday, 25 December 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link

dope as hell

j., Friday, 25 December 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link

Save it for the Lucretius spoilers thread.

ledge, Friday, 25 December 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link

Lol

Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 December 2015 23:26 (eight years ago) link

Started Viv Albertine clothes Music Boys after buying it yesterday.
& before that From A to Biba which I'd had sent to my mum's place.
& before that Bukowski's Ham on Rye which was a charity shop find.
Now just got Gathering of Promises about Texas psychedelia
and Always in Trouble the Esp-Disk Oral History.
So need to work out which I'm reading first.
Also got a bio of 4AD cos it was 2 for £5 in Fopp and I'd seen the julian Cope novel One Three One which I'd meant to read so also have those 2.

Stevolende, Saturday, 26 December 2015 00:08 (eight years ago) link

been meaning to read the esp-disk oral history thing since it came out. wonder just how much stollman dissing made it into print. & wasn't aware of the texas psych book, looks interesting... still need to get around to eye mind: the saga of roky erickson and the 13th floor elevators.

no lime tangier, Saturday, 26 December 2015 00:23 (eight years ago) link

nabokov - invitation to a beheading

for a book club, which is nice. thank god it's short though, falling so flat for me. i used to think i loved nabokov, having only read 'ada', but this is really musty imo. and apparently one of his most well-regarded.

COOMBES (mattresslessness), Saturday, 26 December 2015 02:46 (eight years ago) link

It's one of my least favourite, fwiw--the other one that i didn't think that great was Look at the Harlequins

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Saturday, 26 December 2015 02:56 (eight years ago) link

I am reading The Quiet American and rereading Chuang Tzu.

jmm, Saturday, 26 December 2015 03:30 (eight years ago) link

invitation to a beheading is one of my favorite books ever and one that made me cry irl
and i'm reading lolita. i read it when i was 17 or so but totally forgot everything about it except the obvious.

#amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Saturday, 26 December 2015 03:32 (eight years ago) link

Still reading Kevin Kwan's "Crazy Rich Asians" and dipping into the "The Poems of Nazim Hikmet".

o. nate, Saturday, 26 December 2015 04:40 (eight years ago) link

reading: Her Infinite Variety by Louis Auchincloss. from 2000. aka Y2K. i would like to own a complete leather-bound Auchincloss collection. for my law library.

scott seward, Saturday, 26 December 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link

he basically wrote the same book and got sloppier but what a book!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 27 December 2015 03:40 (eight years ago) link

been meaning to read the esp-disk oral history thing since it came out. wonder just how much stollman dissing made it into print. & wasn't aware of the texas psych book, looks interesting... still need to get around to eye mind: the saga of roky erickson and the 13th floor elevators.

― no lime tangier, Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:23 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not really got very far in either new book so far.
But Eye Mind was a good read and one I should reread not having read it more than once.
the Gathering oF Promises which is by Ben Graham seems to mainly focus on the IA related bands so I hope it does get further volumes on lesser known garage bands from the region and the up to present day thing that was initially supposed to be part of it added.

ONly read as far as the Stollman biography at the beginnning of the ESp bok so only knw about his parents and then his college time so far but also looks promising.

Stevolende, Sunday, 27 December 2015 13:01 (eight years ago) link

What genres do you especially enjoy reading? And which do you avoid?

I love thrillers. And I hate self-conscious literary fiction. As soon as reviewers say, “He/she makes beautiful sentences,” alarm bells ring. I like fiction that’s interested in the world, not in other fiction.

What do you plan to read next?

The new Lee Child.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/books/review/david-hare-by-the-book.html?ref=books&_r=0

ditto. snagged the new Child from dad yesterday.

scott seward, Monday, 28 December 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link

did anyone else read City on Fire? i'm nearly finished and somehow i'm still unsure what i think of it.

Karl Malone, Monday, 28 December 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link

Kicking off the year with Plato's Republic, which I have not read since summer 2006. I would like to learn it a lot better.

jmm, Friday, 1 January 2016 00:26 (eight years ago) link

tr.?

j., Friday, 1 January 2016 00:27 (eight years ago) link

G.M.A. Grube revised by C.D.C Reeve. Last time it was Allan Bloom. I don't know which is best.

jmm, Friday, 1 January 2016 00:42 (eight years ago) link

i used the grube in school and for some reason have the belief that i should read it properly in that version rather than the reeve revision which i've read more than once for teaching purposes since then anyway. maybe it's just the cover. but i've been feeling like i need to bust out of my hackett ghetto for plato. i've been eyeing the update that loeb recently published (to keep the greek in eyeball range if not understand it), but i haven't been able to justify spending the $25 per volume.

j., Friday, 1 January 2016 00:48 (eight years ago) link

the Bloom commentary is fascinating even though he's obv on the side of wrong

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 1 January 2016 08:59 (eight years ago) link

In a Lonely Place by Dorothy B. Hughes

(plot has p much NOTHING to do w/ great Nick Ray/Bogart film, but this is clammy and excellent)

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 January 2016 10:27 (eight years ago) link

Muriel Spark - The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie

Last year was a pretty slow reading year for me, so starting 2016 with something this lovely can hopefully provide decent encouragement.

tangenttangent, Friday, 1 January 2016 16:02 (eight years ago) link

I read Aiding and Abetting last week. She had the, uh, spark through the end of her life.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 January 2016 16:04 (eight years ago) link

Have you read bio and autobiography, Alfred?

Green Dolphin Street Hassle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 January 2016 16:09 (eight years ago) link

i read the autobio. which is a first volume never succeeded by another. it was ... i guess it was disappointing in how doggedly unrevealing it was, is what i would say.

which is aiding and abetting? the lord lucan one?

carly rae jetson (thomp), Friday, 1 January 2016 16:11 (eight years ago) link

i read 'reality and dreams' last year; i think it was the only novel of hers i read that year, which was unusual, for me; either i've read around five or none. an ex sent me a copy -- they were posting a lot of books to people they thought would like them rather than just give them to a thrift store or try and sell them, despite the much greater inconvenience and cost. something about this speaks to how i feel about late spark, somehow.

carly rae jetson (thomp), Friday, 1 January 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link

I haven't read the autobiography. Yeah, A&A is about the Lucan case. Her manipulation of word of mouth accounts and experimenting with chronology are impressive for such a short book.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 January 2016 16:19 (eight years ago) link

I think I own Aiding and Abetting, so maybe that's another for this year! This is the first Spark I've read and I'm really enjoying how dialogue-heavy it is. It reminds me a lot of Waugh at his most acerbic. Word count for 'prime' so far is about 200.

tangenttangent, Friday, 1 January 2016 16:33 (eight years ago) link

Finished Crazy Rich Asians by Kevin Kwan. It's unabashedly genre fiction but enlivened by what feels like a genuine insider feel for the details of a subculture which doesn't often feature in books of the genre: wealthy Singaporean Chinese society. It seems like there are some pacing issues: the first 400 pages could have moved a bit faster, and then everything happens in a rush at the end. Also it's obviously setting things up for a sequel so lots of threads are left hanging. Not sure I'll ever read the sequel but I enjoyed it.

Now I'm reading The Cold Song by Linn Ullmann, occasionally interleaved with Poems of Nazim Hikmet (tr. Blasing and Konuk).

o. nate, Saturday, 2 January 2016 02:25 (eight years ago) link

I read most of Hugh Kenner's critical study, Ulysses, but decided that unless I was going to reread Joyce, my interest in the last 50pp was growing unsteady.

So, now I am reading Nathaniel's Nutmeg, Giles Milton, a narrative history of Europe's trade with the spice islands during the age of discovery, centering around various English voyages and the early East India Company. It sets a tone considerably breezier than a scholarly history would be, while remaining sober enough to avoid excessive burbling and the stylistic atrocities that show up in so much popularized narrative history.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 21:54 (eight years ago) link

Just finished Antal Szerb's Journey By Moonlight, it's an absolute delight. Probably going to recommend this to everyone I know.

Need to get further in Juan Filloy's Caterva but got distracted by King Leopold's Ghost.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 00:37 (eight years ago) link

Yes, gave my copy of the Szerb away - need to get another.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 10:17 (eight years ago) link

Just finished Iain Sinclair, LONDON OVERGROUND.

Despite being lazy ('Again I remembered interviewing Allen Ginsberg in 1967') and self-referential ('as I said in Downriver ...'), going on about the usual suspects ('Bill Griffiths is the true prophet of place', 'Angela Carter takes mythic ownership of Brixton') and paying far too little attention to the reality and extent of the Overground (which he doesn't realize goes to Crystal Palace) -- this book does have something. There were passages where I really felt I was reading great work, flashes of blazingly good, poignantly apt prose that only Sinclair's talent could produce.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 11:36 (eight years ago) link

Aimless, I think Kenner's book Ulysses is one of the very best critical books I have ever read.

It might be the single best book specifically on Ulysses.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 11:37 (eight years ago) link

I agree. I bought the Kenner on your recommendation, albeit a recommendation you made in an ILB thread many years ago. Kenner seems extremely sharp on Joyce, Pound, Eliot, et. al.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 18:07 (eight years ago) link

currently zipping through lawrence wright's "the looming tower," which is really great. beautifully written and enthralling. also just started rachel carson's "silent spring," which i picked up on a whim a few months back. surprised to find that the drawings were done by louis darling (with his wife lois), who illustrated beverly cleary's early books.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link

currently reading "the big short", which i got as a xmas gift years ago but never read. thought i would read it before seeing the film adaptation so i can "actually," everyone i talk to about it

flopson, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link

Marilynne Robinson's Lila, which I enjoyed and admired but didn't love, not like Gilead. Great writing as usual, I liked the character, didn't mind that the whole book was just the sustained note of her thoughts. Maybe I just got a bit fed up with Ames saying he'd been thinking about why God allows good people to suffer for the best part of his seventy-plus years, but give him a few more days and he might just crack it. I do wonder how much my conception of her books differs from her own, she does an incomparable job of humanising religious thought - I never would have imagined enjoying the ramblings of an old preacher half as much as I do - but for her there will still be the greater truth behind it.

ledge, Saturday, 9 January 2016 13:40 (eight years ago) link

I've been reading Chekhov short stories from the Penguin classics volume titled Lady with Lapdog and Other Stories.

Yesterday I also started to read a self-published memoir I found at the local charity shop. It has an ISBN, but even if I noted it here, I doubt anyone would ever run across a copy anywhere for any reason. It takes place in NE Oregon, where the author grew up on a ranch a couple of dozen miles north of the Wallowa mountains - a place where I love to hike for weeks every summer.

It is all very quotidian, the sorts of stories rural families accumulate, about the time Uncle Dan rode at the front of the July 4th parade and his horse bucked him off, or when the salamander plugged up the drain pipe and the kitchen flooded. (NB: neither of these stories are in the book.) Still I like reading such things from time to time. They are generally very soothing.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 9 January 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link

What a strange coincidence. Just glanced at an electronic copy of that memoir this morning, which was open on my laptop, but didn't have a chance to really plow through. Got to wondering about the origin of the word Wallowa, whether it was related to Walla Walla, then got to up to look for a book on Chief Joseph which come to think of if I didn't actually get.

Green Dolphin Street Hassle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 January 2016 19:51 (eight years ago) link

Bruce Bawer - Prophets & Professors: Essas on the lives and Works of Modern Poets
* Scott Fitzgerald - Tender is the Night
Joseph Roth - The Emperor's Tomb
J. Hoberman - The Dream Life

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 January 2016 19:55 (eight years ago) link

Found it

Green Dolphin Street Hassle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 January 2016 19:59 (eight years ago) link

wondering about the origin of the word Wallowa

I can answer that. There is a book called Oregon Geographical Names, by Lewis MacArthur that records the origin. It comes from a Nez Perce word describing a kind of weir they built of osier willow to trap fish. A large fish trap was built at the outlet of Wallowa Lake (a huge 5 mile long glacial lake), which gave the lake and the river their name. Decades later, it was also given to the mountain range behind the lake and to Wallowa County.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 9 January 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link

reading The Recollection by Gareth L. Powell. never heard of him. Paul Cornell says that Gareth Powell is going to be a major voice in SF. never heard of Paul Cornell either. Colin Harvey and Warren Ellis are also big fans of this book. never heard of them either. they could have all been in Supergrass as far as i know.

anyway, it IS a page-turner. two stories at once with alternating chapters. and nice and simple to follow for a simpleton like me.

scott seward, Saturday, 9 January 2016 20:34 (eight years ago) link

Scoop: Boot's just now gotten his two passports to Ishmaelia. Everybody's ridic, but so far, spacey white sons of Empire are left behind by enterprising Negroes and Women, especially the networking beauty in the tiny black car(s), who knows no bounds, it seems. Not so much zings as short, sharp, storytime jabs, tirelessly delivered by Johnny Ramone.

dow, Saturday, 9 January 2016 22:08 (eight years ago) link

Paolo Sorrentino, Youth: novel written simultaneously with the making of the same story as a movie, and unforunately this is very obviously the script given the minutest amount of effort needed to turn it into prose, and not very good prose either. Hope the film is better

Shūsaku Endō, White Man: told as the memoirs of a cross-eyed sadist Nazi collaborator in Lyon, just before the Nazis flee the oncoming Allies. Like a minimalist version of Tournier's Erl-King/Ogre

Helle Helle, This Should Be Written i the Present Tense: intertia-struck Danish woman lets her life go to bits, pretends to go to uni, cheats on boyfriend, etc. Actually very good! Apparently she is Denmark's most popular novelist, despite/because of having identical first and last names

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Sunday, 10 January 2016 06:27 (eight years ago) link

2Stoned Andrew Loog Oldham's 2nd volume of memoir. Here he starts pretty loosely chronologically then goes back to touring the US with the Stones in 65 or 6. Think it's forward from there so Immediate etc coming.

Got Inside the Dream Palace on the Chelsea Hotel as my bog book at the moment. Only got as far as plans to build it in the 19th century so far. Need to get a bookmark for it so I don't waste time lonking for my page.
Also need to finish Ford Maddox Ford which I was about 2/3 through before Xmas.

& I have the 4AD bio Facing The Wrong Way as my travel etc book for buses etc. Got as far as Prayers on Fire or possibly a little after. Interesting so far anyway.

Stevolende, Sunday, 10 January 2016 10:05 (eight years ago) link

with Scandinavia in the rearview mirror for now here's my latest library haul:

Christopher Hitchens - And Yet
Brian Moore - The Mangan Inheritance
Stacy Schiff - The Witches: Salem 1692
Mary Gatskill - Veronica

an emotionally withholding exterminator (m coleman), Sunday, 10 January 2016 13:41 (eight years ago) link

I read the Gaitskill in November and got the Hitchens as an Xmas present to myself.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 January 2016 13:45 (eight years ago) link

Finished Moby Dick - really incredible: such a weird book, so audacious with its content and language. Just made what was pretty much a perfect xmas period even better.

Ernesto Sabato - The Tunnel. Read this in a single, long-ish commute. Starts off with the plot of The Outsider, demystifies and amplifies it into his own achievement.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 10:12 (eight years ago) link

really enjoyed your thoughts on Robinson, ledge - her thinking seems so worth reflecting on, worth the time to draw out. I haven't done Lila yet bought bought it in hardback as soon as it came out because Gilead, that's just one of those books that sticks with you.

I'm reading Blindness, having just finished Cain, I love Saramago to pieces and may do The Gospel According to Jesus Christ next

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 13:19 (eight years ago) link

I've recently enjoyed a few addiction memoirs (White Out by Michael Clune), Blackout by Sarah Hepola) & looking for another heroin one I read Jesus' Son by Denis Johnson which I think I heard of in the 90s & wow that was not really my thing at all.

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 13:47 (eight years ago) link

I got a heap of books for Christmas, so it's been my new year's resolution to read more. Right now I'm reading Marlon James' 'A History of Seven Killings', which of course is on everyone's radar but is definitely really really good. Also tucking into Steven Pinker's 'Sense of Style' which is one of the best books on the English language and writing I've ever come across.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 15:39 (eight years ago) link

really enjoyed your thoughts on Robinson, ledge

Thanks! Let me know what you think when you get round to it.

ledge, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link

Eve Babitz - Eve's Hollywood: a NYRB reissue. Pretty artless but very entertaining

James Morrison, Tuesday, 12 January 2016 22:46 (eight years ago) link

I saw that and its rave reviews, but I didn't like the little bit I read.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Ray (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 04:16 (eight years ago) link

But now your description sort of makes me want to read it.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Ray (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 04:18 (eight years ago) link

Oh man, the NYRB holiday sale catalog had a bunch of blurbs casting her as the Anti-Didion, or the younger, fun Didion: she still tattled on the tails of Tinsel Town, but she was young and fun you bet. However, I also read a bunch of excerpts meant to sell this same point (in Paris Review, I think), and I never say this but omg LOL what a self-satisfied self-indulgent klutzy sisassypants she seems to be. So cute how she never bothered to look up correct spellings of common words contained in her semi-zingers, all her friends seemly agree. Was she some kind of ironic fave, like William Hung etc.?

dow, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 04:58 (eight years ago) link

But you know NYRB and Paris Review, so maybe I should give her more of a chance.

dow, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 05:00 (eight years ago) link

er "sassypants," "seemingly" (blush, but bet she typed too fast too!)

dow, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 05:01 (eight years ago) link

All of that is kind of true, and yet and yet and yet... Partly it is just that her anecdotes are actually very interesting, no matter how they're told

James Morrison, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 10:32 (eight years ago) link

I was really put off by the lackluster style as well but if Mr. Morrison recommends...

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Ray (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 10:39 (eight years ago) link

I have a hunch that the translator David Magarshak bears much responsibility for this, but I am not finding the Chekhov short stories very impressive. I expect I'll soldier on, but I wouldn't recommend this version.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link

Haven't read those, but enjoyed his versions of The Idiot and Bros K. Will give Babitz a decent chance if ever come across one of her books.

dow, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:43 (eight years ago) link

OK, I must admit the Babitz became significantly less charming as it went along and she got older and more up herself.

Now reading Hermione Eyre: Viper Wine -- sort-of historical novel about real-life 17th Century society beauty obsessed with staying young and her doting explorer husband, recast in this book as something of an alchemist and sort-of time-traveller, leading to all sorts of cheerful and funny anachronisms. Really good so far

James Morrison, Friday, 15 January 2016 00:51 (eight years ago) link

Simenon - Tropic Moon. probably the only Simenon I'll ever need. As noted its a tad similar to the African passages in Celine's Journey... but its handling of a kind of mood -- that of corruption and degradation is so intense. It would be a lot more known about if Maigret hadn't overwhelmed the shelves, took NYRB to curate it and in that sense its one of the finer things they've bought out.

Vasily Grossman - Armenian Sketch. Read this in a sitting - always in this conversational mode, but its so much more than that. Doubt travelogues are as good as this - its so digressive. And it doesn't exactly gets you to go to Armenia (although sign me up) because you almost certainly wouldn't get what Grossman is able to get out of it (or Mandelstam, probably goes double for him). The descriptions of people, food, architecture, culminating with the humanist speeches at the wedding (and Soviet politics are also never far away) - its a performance of a writer fully able to transmit what he sees, hears and feels to his pen.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 January 2016 22:43 (eight years ago) link

Christopher Isherwood - Mr Norris Changes Trains
Jacob Weisberg - Ronald Reagan
Louise Bogan - The Blue Estuaries: Poems

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 January 2016 23:02 (eight years ago) link

I finished The Cold Song by Linn Ullmann. I've been meaning to read more fiction this year, so I went through the NY Times notable books lists from a couple of years ago to find some things that sounded interesting and are in paperback. This is one of those. It was kind of an odd combination of a dysfunctional family drama and a murder story (not a mystery, it uses the horrific elements for suspense and tragic effect and as a springboard to other themes, somewhat in the vein of The Shack or The Lovely Bones). It's definitely not a feel-good story. The characters are kind of selfish and self-absorbed and pretty much completely fail to rise to the occasion, but they remain somewhat sympathetic nonetheless. Not sure why the author thought this particular combination of themes was compelling, but I guess, yeah, sometimes awful things happen and they just make things worse for people who already have problems of their own.

Now I'm reading Guantanamo Diary. It seems like this will be 300 pages of me thinking "Wow, that's really fucked up."

o. nate, Monday, 18 January 2016 02:04 (eight years ago) link

Ullman is directors Liv Ullmann and Ingmar Bergman's daughter, so some pedigree for grim dysfuntional family dramas there, i guess

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Monday, 18 January 2016 04:54 (eight years ago) link

Vasily Grossman - The Road. Short stories and articles. So far the stories are sorta ok and develop the theme of the novels (short stories are boring me more and more these days tbh) but this only really gets going in the account of the Nazi concentration camp in "The Hell of Treblinka". Grossman's writing is full of moral force, and a coolness in the face of inhumanity, but also managing to be conversational and tender. I can't see any of the various journo-historians w/an agenda (LOL Anne Applebaum) and number-of-dead counters getting anywhere near this.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 18 January 2016 12:25 (eight years ago) link

Marianne Fritz: The Weight of Things -- odd, intense, elliptical little Austrian novel about women betraying one another, motherhood, madness, step-parents, all that fun stuff

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 01:20 (eight years ago) link

Fritz seems fascinating, especially for her later novels, which sound radically resistant to translation: http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/10/01/the-nonessential-on-marianne-fritz/

one way street, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 02:27 (eight years ago) link

Thomas Bernhard was not a fan... http://www.asymptotejournal.com/special-feature/adrian-west-on-marianne-fritz/


A contrasting view was held by Thomas Bernhard, who addressed his esteemed publisher, Siegfried Unseld, with characteristic charm in 1986:

Before my departure I have had another glance at your recent publishing catastrophe: the 3,000 pages you have had printed and allowed to appear are the greatest embarrassment I have been acquainted with to this day. To print and bind over 3,000 pages of mindless proletarian trash with all the bombast of a centenary event belongs, quite frankly, in the record books: as a world record of stupidity. I am not speaking so much of the begetter of this idiocy, rather of the fact that the publisher has handicapped himself by releasing this fatuous vulgarity.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 03:37 (eight years ago) link

iow, Thomas Bernhard was not her intended audience

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 04:36 (eight years ago) link

I for one would consider it an honor to be on the wrong side of Thomas Bernhard. I mean, he's a noted curmudgeon, no?

Blecchstar Linus Must Comp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 04:46 (eight years ago) link

indeed! oddly enough, though, the earlier parts of the Marianne Fritz book made me think of them--similar bitterness about post-war Austria, its complacency, etc

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 05:52 (eight years ago) link

and, tbf, the book he was criticising apparently had pages looking like this
http://www.asymptotejournal.com/admin/data/NMIII.jpg

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 05:53 (eight years ago) link

I'd have to say I also am not her intended audience.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 06:32 (eight years ago) link

You don't have to say it, we guessed already

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 07:28 (eight years ago) link

Oh, and I'm reading and enjoying Bill Schelly's Harvey Kurtzman: The Man Who Created Mad and Revolutionized Humor in America - such a sad story, in many ways.

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 07:30 (eight years ago) link

I'd have to say I also am not her intended audience.

I'd hasten to add that the book I read was NOT like that page at all

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 08:44 (eight years ago) link

Yes I think that was her debut work.

I will be starting on Josef Winkler "When the time comes" shortly - also translated by Adrian West and he said somewhere her main work will never be translated but I don't see why you couldn't get at least a volume's worth across to English to get the flavour of the work - looks like a cross of Stein and Cardew's Treatise.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 11:40 (eight years ago) link

love this from that paris review thing:

"In general, the detractors of long, complex, unorthodox, or vexatious books have their counterpart in a small but fervent cult of readers: Joyceans, Nabokovians, those who claim to think highly of William Burroughs. In many cases, the esteem that accrues to difficult authors has little to do with their being read; a genius is born not of resolute bookworms slogging through arcane texts but of that critical mass of reviews, essays, and dissertations required to generate the clichés the reading public needs in order to sound intelligent—to make the comparison, no less inept for its ubiquity, of Knausgaard to Proust, or to apply the adjective Kafkaesque to any story about bureaucracy."

scott seward, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 14:27 (eight years ago) link

Wow.

Blecchstar Linus Must Comp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 14:38 (eight years ago) link

He is an idiot, even if I'll always like him for bringing Josef Winkler into English.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 16:39 (eight years ago) link

Ugly THings #40 which is as good as the previous ones I've read and is almost book size. THis smoring I read the interview with Stu Boy king the original drummer with the Dictators tracing the history of the band at least up until they kicked him out.

Also read the thing on the Wrecking Crew which makes me want to see the new documentary thing.

Also reading Facing the Wrong Way the 4Ad biography still. Very interesting. Got as far as Dead can Dance''s Spleen and Ideal

Stevolende, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 16:50 (eight years ago) link

Wrecking Crew doc interesting but mildly disappointing as these things can be.

Blecchstar Linus Must Comp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link

wrecking crew doc gave me some chills just because the people involved are so friggin' cool and it's kinda unbelievable that they were a part of so many amazing things, but, yeah, it's not that illuminating. more like one of those labor of love things done by someone who isn't that probing. cool just to hear those people talk though. and see them.

scott seward, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 17:47 (eight years ago) link

Yup

Blecchstar Linus Must Comp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 17:51 (eight years ago) link

Hadnt even realised there was a 4AD book, sounds very promising

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:25 (eight years ago) link

Suhrkamp, whose director, the legendary Siegfried Unseld, hoped to market Fritz as a “female Joyce.”

A female Arno Schmidt wasn't good enough?

alimosina, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:28 (eight years ago) link

4AD book was in Fopp as a 2 for £5 choice. I mainly grabbed it to get the Julian Cope novel 131.
Very interesting so far. I didn't know much of the history. Just familiar with bits of the music.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:37 (eight years ago) link

Lately I've been reading Alex Mar's Witches in America, which is breezy but facile: Mar tries to put her own personality, suspended between the longing for connection with greater forces and a reflexive skepticism, at the center of her reportage on various traditions of American paganism, but she mostly winds up seeming smug. The book is interesting enough on the merits of its subject matter, but even as Mar interviews self-identified necromancers and hangs out in swamps to undergo Crowleyan initiations, the prose never really becomes lively enough to dispel the impression that this is the kind of book about researching witchcraft a Slate contributor would write.

I've also finally gotten around to Balzac's Pere Goriot; in some ways I think I like Balzac less for his own sake than for that of the writers for whom he opens a path, but I appreciate his attention to the phantasmagoric grime of city
Iife and the way he undercuts the possible sentimentality of the plot by hinting at the perverse qualities of Goriot's consuming paternal love.

I've also been reading Elizabeth Hardwick's Sleepless Nights and Seduction and Betrayal: the former is one of the most successful attempts to construct a novel by the juxtaposition of lyrical fragments that I've read lately. (I'm also just a sucker, for boring personal reasons, for writers who recollect youth in Kentucky with a cold eye from a northern remove.)

Finally, I've posted about her in the ILE obituary thread, but in the days since the writer and activist Bryn Kelly's intensely saddening death, I've been reading and rereading her essays and blogs: her story "Other Balms, Other Gileads" is still one of the most moving things I've read about the everyday experience of HIV stigma today, although it doesn't quite prepare one for the scathing humor of her pseudonymous writing on medical bureaucracy and queer relationships as the Hussy and the Party Bottom. Links to most of her writing can be found here: http://topsidepress.tumblr.com/post/137350042394/i-love-your-profound-insecurity-i-love-you-even

one way street, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 00:30 (eight years ago) link

*Witches of America, that is

one way street, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 00:47 (eight years ago) link

Finished Pickwick Papers. Not great. His most successful novel I'm told, certainly the best selling whilst he was alive. But I found it bitty.

Started War And Peace. Not sure the chapter a day scheme suits me so I'm going for a book a month. There are 15 I think. First one is a manageable 150 pages.

koogs, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 00:55 (eight years ago) link

Kevin Barry - Beatlebone --- very funny, lovely writing, even makes a shit like John Lennon seem likeable

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 01:44 (eight years ago) link

after four years finally finished against the day... guess i'd have to read the whole thing straight through again to make some kind of sense of all the interweaving narrative strands that i'd completely forgotten about. one day, maybe.

no lime tangier, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 11:42 (eight years ago) link

Hate it when that happens.

Starman Jones said it's 2 legit 2 quit (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 11:42 (eight years ago) link

that's one of the reasons i keep restarting 'mason & dixon' instead of just finishing it

j., Wednesday, 20 January 2016 17:38 (eight years ago) link

now trying to decide whether i should read the last two thirds of finnegans wake or alternatively try to find where i got up to in tristram shandy

no lime tangier, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 18:47 (eight years ago) link

I went back and finished up the second half of Pierre Hadot's The Veil of Isis, which I put aside last year. That is a cool book, about the idea in Western culture of nature as veiled and elusive (and, apparently, many-breasted)

http://a405.idata.over-blog.com/364x600/4/18/31/72/Images-2/Lucrece-Frontispice.JPG

I also have a bit left in Jay Garfield's Engaging Buddhism, which I probably should not have stuck with since it isn't quite what I was looking for, and I'm nearly finished Kierkegaard's Fear and Trembling, which is amazing.

jmm, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 20:28 (eight years ago) link

JUst had Girl In A Band delivered this afternoon so read the first chapter of that so might be the first thing I read from now with something being slightly put back. Looks very interesting, sorry to read the bitter feelings though.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 22:59 (eight years ago) link

now trying to decide whether i should read the last two thirds of finnegans wake or alternatively try to find where i got up to in tristram shandy

― no lime tangier, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some ny resolutions you have made for yrself!

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 23:21 (eight years ago) link

Tristram Shandy will be waaaaaay more rewarding

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 23:53 (eight years ago) link

posted in the hope it will amuse you all as much as it amused me, a letter from Hunter S Thompson to Anthony Burgess...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX73jDVU0AA4l4R.jpg

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 21 January 2016 05:52 (eight years ago) link

does burgess's non-clockwork stuff belong on the unfashionable writers thread? who the hell reads that stuff? and there is a lot of it too.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 January 2016 13:52 (eight years ago) link

i just counted. 33 novels. and then there are 30+ other non-fiction things. and is any of it in print in the u.s. other than ACO? the U.K. is obviously a different kettle of kipper. is he big in europe still? i must know.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 January 2016 13:58 (eight years ago) link

Also, i started the third in Ann Leckie's Ancillary trilogy. Ancillary Mercy.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 January 2016 13:59 (eight years ago) link

xpost
Burgess def seems like one of those post-war Brits whose books are largely going out of print (the odd 'hit' like Clockwork Orange excepted) - Angus Wilson, William Cooper, John Braine, John Wain, even Kingsley Amis and Graham Greene.

The biography of Burgess by Roger Lewis is prob the most entertaining hatchet job I've ever read.

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 21 January 2016 14:02 (eight years ago) link

yeah, greene was in print here consistently for decades and now you would have a tough time finding anything new.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 January 2016 14:12 (eight years ago) link

i mean i'm guessing that greene sold more in the u.s. than all those other people combined with the exception of clockwork which was a book that everyone had to buy even if they never read it.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 January 2016 14:14 (eight years ago) link

with amis i would come across tons of paperbacks of lucky jim over the years and not much else. and he wrote a ton. even his kid doesn't seem that popular around these parts anymore. feel like london fields was the height of his popularity and that was quite a while ago.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 January 2016 14:17 (eight years ago) link

There's a Europa edition of Earthly Powers in print. I finished it but didn't like it very much. I've read that and Clockwork and I don't think Burgess is a writer for me.

jmm, Thursday, 21 January 2016 14:28 (eight years ago) link

NYRB have been reissuing some Kingsley Amis, and I think they are going to issue a vol of his poetry

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 January 2016 14:55 (eight years ago) link

Burgess is a funny one - I think he's got a little cult still, people with a real mania for Earthly Powers in particular (met someone recently who's read it like 6 times, it's their favourite book), but yeah… he wrote so much, but I've only ever really seen Earthly Powers, Clockwork Orange, the Enderby novels and Nothing Like the Sun knocking about in shops.

woof, Thursday, 21 January 2016 16:11 (eight years ago) link

his books are still in plentiful supply here in secondhand book shops, anyhow. other than clockwork think i've only read his 60's bond knock-off/parody tremor of intent. do have a copy of 1985 but looking through it seems like it's nothing but an old reactionary's lament for the way of the world.

no lime tangier, Thursday, 21 January 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link

Nothing Like the Sun and Dead Man in Deptford (his Christopher Marlowe novel) both hold up well, and I see Earthly Powers in used bookstores fairly often, but among my reader friends I don't really ever hear him talked about outside the context of Clockwork Orange.

one way street, Thursday, 21 January 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link

Oh, and Re Joyce is one of the better introductions to Joyce I've read (I don't know what this says about its availability now, but I remember having it at hand during my first time going through Ulysses as a teenager).

one way street, Thursday, 21 January 2016 17:16 (eight years ago) link

Bowie otm re Earthly Powers.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 January 2016 17:19 (eight years ago) link

Yes in my 2nd hand trawls the Burgess I come across the most are intros to Joyce.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 January 2016 18:10 (eight years ago) link

sometimes see copies of that truncated fw that he edited, and just wonder what the purpose of doing that would be? never looked inside, so maybe it has valuable editorial matter...

no lime tangier, Thursday, 21 January 2016 18:44 (eight years ago) link

Best novels of his I've read are Earthly Powers a Clockwork Orange, The Wanting Seed and a few others from the same era: Honey For The Bears and The Doctor Is Sick.

Oh and search the first volume of the autobio Little Wilson and Big God. But destroy the second volume You've Had Your Time. Follows the classic pattern of: this it is was really like to be me in the Old Weird AmericaBritain, End of Book I, *Fame and *Fortune, Remarriage* Begin Book II And then I wrote... Darn these kids, etc.

Starman Jones said it's 2 legit 2 quit (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 January 2016 18:45 (eight years ago) link

if anyone can ever find burgess's intro to the u.k. edition of last exit to brooklyn online lemme know. be interested in reading that.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 January 2016 19:09 (eight years ago) link

I've read maybe six or seven books by Burgess. I especially liked the first of his Enderby books, and generally found his novels to be competently written with just enough intellectual skew to give them added point and interest.

He was smart and well read, and it showed, but that's never really enough on its own, is it? He had an idiosyncratic set of opinions and prejudices, but the majority of them were reactionary and backward-facing. The best I can say for him is that he never wrote a book Oprah could endorse.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 21 January 2016 19:30 (eight years ago) link

btw, I am currently reading a large collection of short stories by Isaac Bashevis Singer, one of the Library of America compilations.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 21 January 2016 19:31 (eight years ago) link

william golding will likewise always have one book in print in the states. man do we love that one book though.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 January 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link

Heh, just the other day I was reading the Paris Review interview with Gore Vidal and was surprised by this part:

VIDAL

I wouldn’t say that I am fanatically attentive. There’s only one living writer in English that I entirely admire, and that’s William Golding. Lately I’ve been reading a lot of Italian and French writers. I particularly like Italo Calvino.

INTERVIEWER

Why do you think Golding good?

VIDAL

Well, his work is intensely felt. He holds you completely line by line, image by image. In The Spire you see the church that is being built, smell the dust. You are present at an event that exists only in his imagination. Very few writers have ever had this power. When the priest reveals his sores, you see them, feel the pain. I don’t know how he does it.

INTERVIEWER

Have you ever met him?

VIDAL

Once, yes. We had dinner together in Rome. Oxford don type. I like his variety: Each book is quite different from the one before it. This confuses critics and readers, but delights me. For that reason I like to read Fowles—though he is not in Golding’s class. Who else do I read for pleasure? I always admire Isherwood. I am not given to mysticism—to understate wildly, but he makes me see something of what he would see. I read P. G. Wodehouse for pleasure. Much of Anthony Burgess.

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 21 January 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link

interesting to see that vidal rated fowles (somewhat). & speaking of, there's a nice appreciation of golding in his wormholes collection of essays/occasional pieces.

no lime tangier, Thursday, 21 January 2016 21:42 (eight years ago) link

yeah I've picked up a few burgess books 2nd hand but only read enderby & clockwork orange, earthly powers appeals to me & I keep meaning to read it. picked up a book of essays embarrassingly titled homage to qwertyuiop and iirc the 1st essay was moaning about feminism and I stopped reading, this may be an unfair (semi)recollection tho. I liked his listicle book about the best novels since the war

eoy_saer (wins), Thursday, 21 January 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link

99 Novels? That is fun.

Starman Jones said it's 2 legit 2 quit (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 January 2016 01:17 (eight years ago) link

I'm proud that I finally finished L. Randall Wray's Modern Money Theory: A Primer on Macroeconomics for Sovereign Monetary Systems, over a bit of a winter break, along with volume one of Descartes' Philosophical Writings (Cambridge). Wray doesn't write very well, but this seems to be the only book length summary of modern monetary theory (MMT) at least for the general public. I also started a couple books by Abba Lerner (one of the foundational figures for MMT), but am going to need to backtrack in one fo them since I was reading it in doctor's offices and car service waiting areas, where I couldn't concentrate. Lerner is actually a very enjoyable writer, if a little twee at times.

Not sure I will be able to finish off anything of that sort until the next time I have extended time off, unfortunately.

_Rudipherous_, Friday, 22 January 2016 21:04 (eight years ago) link

burgess's two autobiographical vols are excellent, and I liked A Dead Man in Deptford a *lot* when it came out, but haven't really returned to it since. Read a number of other things (Any Old Iron, Honey for the Bears) and they're... not v compelling. That feeling you get with Nabokov, where it feels like his eye is on something else, a separate and only partial visible set of mechanisms influencing the main events, which in Nabokov often works extremely well, in Burgess gives a feeling of... I was going to say detachment, but it's not quite the right word - they don't speak very directly though.

Current/recent reading:

Love in a Dish by MFK Fisher. A really enjoyable set of essays on food, eating and taste. you feel the importance of qualities in life, and of being able to show sensual discernment. judgment and decision-making well-informed by ones affections and tastes.
The Places In Between by Rory Stewart. Again, tremendously enjoyable, intelligent and informative, with an underlying peculiarity of personality. Written before he became a Tory pol, but I couldn't help continually trying to square that with what I was reading. Setting that to one side he is an extremely competent writer - stage managing, for instance, the first example of a dead goat polo match in Afghanistan since the removal of Taliban government extremely well. Some sections rise something above that:

On a blanket on a mud roof, a large dog still slept, the night’s snowfall dusting his coat. While I looked at the dog, a small group of boys looked at me. It was two hours’ walk to their nearest neighbour, so the children spent all their time with their cousins. When they were fifteen or so, they married their cousins.

Still, it's not really about style. Stewart's descriptions of his experience walking through the interior of Afghanistan, from Herat to Kabul, in 2002 is totally compelling. He is adventurous to the point of folly, to the point of a mania or pathology in fact. Several times it seems like he's deliberately courting foreseeable death either by weather or violence. As I say, it's hard not to speculate about him - there's that mania for walking, something that looks like a wish for annihilation either through religious reverie or death, the kinship, noted a couple of times, between Scottish border country, with its windy dwellings and community headmen, and Afghanistan. There's his close and unsentimental sympathy for the people he hosts, and his clear intelligence and judgment. A stated major factor in him becoming a politician was to campaign against ill-informed institutional intervention in Afghan politics. There's his High Tory Catholicism (which I infer from him mentioning having a rosary, but I may have misread) - that's a combination which I associate still with concealed intellectual alienation. There are obvious comparisons to people like TE Lawrence. He's not stupid, but suspicions remain that he extrapolates distrust of national institutions in Afghanistan to distrust of them in the very different circumstances of Britain. He's been successful and not stupid in the areas of broadband legislation and environmental infrastructure though. I presume he participates in that conservatism that says people are happier within existing structures, an argument used too often against reform, and post-thatcher results in a deliberate and atavistic conversion of social structures into cash for chancers, corporate business and landlords.

Anyway, it's an excellent read and very informative on the way very domestic and tribal Afghan politics intersects with international politics.

The Argonauts by Maggie Nelson. Started and enjoyed, but put down. I'm a little bit suspicious of such free-flowing observations, but it's done with vim and concision, so I'll probably pick up again. I really like her manner of including quotations within the body of her text only as italics, with a marginal note to indicate source.

Europe at Midnight - Dave Hutchison. Second book in trilogy discussed in previous thread. I enjoyed reading it a lot, though I'm struggling to remember anything significant I wanted to say about it now. In recollection its shifting allegiances and fragmentary plots feel messy, but that wasn't really the experience of reading it.

Fizzles, Saturday, 23 January 2016 12:45 (eight years ago) link

A readable paper on some of Lerner's ideas (not that anyone asked):

http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp272.pdf

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 23 January 2016 20:50 (eight years ago) link

Interesting and perceptive comments on The Places In Between. I enjoyed that quite a bit when I read it several years ago. Apart from his occasional essays in the NY Review of Books, none recently though, I haven't really kept up with his career since then.

o. nate, Saturday, 23 January 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link

The Places In Between by Rory Stewart. Again, tremendously enjoyable, intelligent and informative, with an underlying peculiarity of personality. Written before he became a Tory pol, but I couldn't help continually trying to square that with what I was reading.

Just read Alan Bennett's diary in the LRB, where he said almost exactly the same thing. sounds great! (the book, not being a tory MP)

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Sunday, 24 January 2016 02:14 (eight years ago) link

Speaking of post-Kentuckians, one way, have you read Mary Gaitskill, and if so, what did you think? (question from another ex-resident, though not native)

dow, Sunday, 24 January 2016 06:15 (eight years ago) link

just finished jd salinger's collected stories - the highs were high, the lows were still p good but a little boring. particularly liked "the laughing man".

now i have a big backlog of books since i did a kind of winter panic binge in the same way as i do with wine/beer/whiskey/rich tinned food - not sure what i'll start next.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 24 January 2016 10:57 (eight years ago) link

just been to the excellent cosmonauts exhibition at the science museum and want to read a load of russian sci-fi or experimental lit. haven't read sorokin so might just go for the ice trilogy. recommendations wd be good tho.

did start Shredded, the apparently v good account of the clusterfuck at RBS, yesterday, but as I say my heart is elsewhere right now.

Fizzles, Sunday, 24 January 2016 13:51 (eight years ago) link

Speaking of post-Kentuckians, one way, have you read Mary Gaitskill, and if so, what did you think? (question from another ex-resident, though not native)

― dow, Sunday, January 24, 2016 1:15 AM

dow, I've read a little of Gaitskill's work: Bad Behavior, Two Girls, Fat and Thin, and Veronica, out of which Veronica is probably my favorite. Two Girls handles abuse and struggles with embodiment powerfully and unsentimentally, but its ending felt too neat with the two protagonists fumbling toward connection without the novel really dealing with the messiness of that kind of intimacy, so I appreciate Gaitskill's more complex treatment of conflictual friendship in the later novel. The Mare doesn't have the most promising premise, but I would like to read it this year.

one way street, Sunday, 24 January 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link

The Mare was pretty good: imagine an As I Lay Dying structure giving order to a National Velvet horse story. She creates one of the more convincing moms in recent lit memory.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 January 2016 20:28 (eight years ago) link

I don't really clamor for new horse stories, Alfred, but the rest of yr description does sound appealing.

one way street, Sunday, 24 January 2016 21:01 (eight years ago) link

i remember not liking two girls but it was ages ago. wasn't there an ayn rand character in that book? bad behavior is a cool time capsule though. read that first. kinda her best in my humble internet opinion...but again haven't read it in decades.

scott seward, Sunday, 24 January 2016 23:25 (eight years ago) link

Her short stories are marvels imo

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 January 2016 23:55 (eight years ago) link

veronica might be one of my favorite novels. i came to mary gaitskill through her amazing granta essay from 2009, "lost cat". apparently it's now paywalled on the granta site, but someone has reposted it <a href="https://catastrophysicist.wordpress.com/lost-cat-by-mary-gaitskill/";>here</a>

1staethyr, Monday, 25 January 2016 01:23 (eight years ago) link

yikes, forgot to convert that to bbcode.

anyway, this isn't fully formed but: "sensitive" always seems to me like the most apt word to describe her writing, and one of the things that i like/find interesting about it is the way her characters can seem almost psychically empathic in ways that make me think of theories of affect. the lost cat essay definitely reflects that radical sensitivity (altho it also makes clear her biggest weaknesses)

1staethyr, Monday, 25 January 2016 01:37 (eight years ago) link

Bad Behaviour was one of my great discoveries of last year. "Heaven," in particular, is shattering.

pitchforkian at best (cryptosicko), Monday, 25 January 2016 01:40 (eight years ago) link

fizzles, rs' dad's telegraph obituary is worth reading

smoothy doles it (nakhchivan), Monday, 25 January 2016 02:12 (eight years ago) link

Fizzles probably knows these already, but the Strugatsky Brothers (ie Hard to Be a God, Roadside Picnic) are great. There's a Theodore Sturgeon-edited Soviet SF anthology that's also very good.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Monday, 25 January 2016 03:29 (eight years ago) link

Don't think I'd ever read any Gaitskill before the (sensitive, empath, even) onslaught of Because They Wanted To, femme top and all. This is back when I was reading nothing but short stories---no novels, that is; couldn't take the time to get that involved---but What a collection. That's what got me back into contemporary fiction.
Another unexpected express ride, just recently: Amazon's Look Inside option gave me a whole amazingly compressed, eloquent essay from The Essential Ellen Willis: born in 1941 to intelligent, educated blue collar parents in Queens, her childhood ambition is to be a smart, successful, no-BS man---and a dish, an adorable woman of the world. So there she is at 20, receiving her degree---and already married, despite her reservations. Wants to be a Writer--but off to Africa, because hubbie accepts a job there, working for Uncle Sam. Still, she had a glimpse in Berkeley: she secretly considers herself an anarchist, in the gestalt/consciousness-raising sense: no good to be a libertarian if you can't liberate the minds nad bodies of (insert your own example the budding Koch brothers,for instance) among many other self-styled radicals who want to replace one kind of authortarianism with another whether they realize it or not. And: many, though certainly not all, of these people are---men.
She never uses sexism as an alibi, but does, in a few pages, map her own experience, and others observed, in trying to find a way through the conundrums and double binds of gender roles-- via Relationship, office and/or antiwar movement politics---up through the year of publication, 1969. The ending is in mid-flight, mid-war.
Talent and professional skills are required to write like this, but you can't really write like this: you write your own version of it, if and when you can live it, passionately and and compulsively and coherently truthfully enough to testify.

dow, Monday, 25 January 2016 04:42 (eight years ago) link

Also with more punctuation (sorry).

dow, Monday, 25 January 2016 04:47 (eight years ago) link

Stewart had at times considered a parliamentary career. He had discussed with friends an idea that might help prepare him: he would live in a housing project for two or three years, to better understand British poverty. (It frustrates him that he never did this.)

smoothy doles it (nakhchivan), Monday, 25 January 2016 10:39 (eight years ago) link

As a student, Stewart liked to turn the mundane into the extraordinary: when he wounded his hand on a broken champagne bottle, he asked to be stitched without anesthesia. Emily Bearn, a British journalist, has written of an evening in Oxford, when he wandered into a room and recited poetry while she was throwing up into a wastebasket.

smoothy doles it (nakhchivan), Monday, 25 January 2016 11:22 (eight years ago) link

#wildTimes

xyzzzz__, Monday, 25 January 2016 11:30 (eight years ago) link

ppl got very into his speech about hedgehogs.

I think I basically like having him around.

woof, Monday, 25 January 2016 12:07 (eight years ago) link

That Middleland thing he and the BBC cobbled together in the middle of the Scottish independence referendum was a right load of old pony though.

The Return of the Thin White Pope (Tom D.), Monday, 25 January 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link

thanks for the recommendations, James. I think I had the Theodore Sturgeon collection in mind without realising it - remembering getting it out of the library when i was in my v heavy SF phase, but don't remember much apart from the cover.

also, never read any of the brothers Strugatsky, so have immediately purchased those!

Fizzles, Monday, 25 January 2016 19:47 (eight years ago) link

also, don't mind having rs around, but feel those "what does it *feel* like to be a human being" experiements in empathy and experience are salutary. its mistake is perhaps not all that serious, and I'm sure rs is aware of it, but it lies in the difference between something experienced through choice and the same thing experienced through birth, accident or whatever fate is.

his father's obit (thanks nakh - it was good), indicates the same spirit - it is the distancing effect of being able to experience many things. still, he doesn't seem too much of a cunt and clearly has a desire to use what he learns for the benefit of others as well as learning for the benefit of himself.

Fizzles, Monday, 25 January 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link

just been to the excellent cosmonauts exhibition at the science museum and want to read a load of russian sci-fi or experimental lit.

if not too early for what you're looking for: think some of khlebnikov's prose might just reach the outer-realms of sf. definitely qualifies for the experimental part, anyway.

no lime tangier, Monday, 25 January 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link

cheers nlt. in fact i think that may hit the nail on the head as the way the early part if the exhibition is curated focuses on how the artistic imagination of kazimir malevich and ilya chashnik was converted into impulses towards and visions of the cosmos that were then scientifically and culturally realised. it's that abstraction, extreme to the point of mysticism, (and often with a lot of odd hokum in there - blavatsky always seems present) that's interesting, as it feels like they came to drive a wider cultural purpose and define its peculiar character.

Fizzles, Monday, 25 January 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link

also with the rs thing, I've realised i was trying to say that people such as stewart have a tremendous and only partially realised desire to *belong* - there's a bit in the book where a british soldier calls him a fucking nutter and he's delighted at the praise: he likes the mess room company of soldiers. anyway, that's surely enough about him.

Fizzles, Monday, 25 January 2016 20:28 (eight years ago) link

I really enjoyed a mid-60s paperback, Paths In The Unknown: The Best of Soviet Science Fiction, which had 0 editorial & translator credits (intro by noteworthy American SF anthologist-author Judith Merrill, who is amazed by short-term quality leap in Soviet SF as represented here, but she's frustrated by some of the translations, which I had no prob with, as a total ignoramus). I talked about several of these stories on the older (b. 2011) Rolling Science Fiction, Fantasy, Speculative etc.

dow, Monday, 25 January 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link

damn i really need to get on to that thread but yet again i failed to get on it when it started and am now daunted by its length. will check out your posts, dow.

Fizzles, Monday, 25 January 2016 20:52 (eight years ago) link

David Thomson's "How to watch a movie"

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Monday, 25 January 2016 23:41 (eight years ago) link

Presumably, in his case, it's best done while masturbating furiously over Nicole Kidman in a nude scene

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 03:17 (eight years ago) link

ugh

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 06:32 (eight years ago) link

François Laruelle’s Principles of Non-Philosophy.

markers, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 07:14 (eight years ago) link

I have nearly finished Antony Beevor's WWII book. I feel this is a massive achievement.

Peter Miller, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 08:51 (eight years ago) link

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2006/sep/24/biography.film. To give some context to my distasteful remark. Or any Thomson book that mentions Kidman, really.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 08:56 (eight years ago) link

I know the context.

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 09:06 (eight years ago) link

I picked up Hume's Treatise, which I've never read in full. It's pretty dazzling. There must be upwards of a thousand individual arguments in this book. It's fun getting into his system and seeing how everything flows from his basic distinction between impressions and ideas, which itself he's only able to articulate as a difference in degree.

jmm, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link

Couldn't it be like, "I get the impression that you're avoiding me; here's my idea about why, and my idea about how such relationships as ours are affected by technology," ideas which also come from impressions, and somewhere else (judging by the gaps, leaps past the empirical and experiential, or so it seems)."

dow, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:19 (eight years ago) link

"Also my idea about why I mess up punctuation in posts, but not emails."

dow, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:20 (eight years ago) link

There's no mention of wanking over Nicole Kidman in the Thomson book but it is dreadful for other various reasons

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link

Hume is quite funny in parts, although that's kind of beside the point. A couple passages I half remember but have never been able to find again: one in which he comments that there is nothing so remotely related to a man that he is incapable of feeling pride about; and the other (which especially struck home with me at the time I was reading a fair bit of moral philosophy, though just scratching the surface really) was something about thinkers being satisfied with the thought that what they are thinking about is important, regardless of the impact of that thinking on real life. Sorry, I'm sure I'm probably missing a key twist. It's been quite a while since I read his Treatise, so I don't have anything else to add.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link

Never tackled the full treatise, but hume always seems very engaging and pretty wise. I really ought to read more of him.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link

Couple of Brazilians. Raduan Nassar - A Cup of Rage. This is an intensely insane novella about a night of passion and its aftermath. I found it funny too, but I'm like that. Each chapter is a sentence each (one of these is about 25 pages). Dissolves in your mind straight after you finish it, leaving a smell. Onto Clarice Lispector - Hour of the Star. The quote on the back says somehting around this being a Brazilian Joyce. Maybe there is some Beckett at moments. Her sentences are as worked over (maybe more so, its ridic actually, must've been a nightmare to write like this) but there is this fervent mysticism to it that I imagine could be like another not so popular Brazilian like Paulo Coellho (whom I've never read and who I think I'd hate from what I read about him). Nassar - like Hilda Hilst - is a lot more in that modernist lineage (one that stretches all the way to De Sade as much as Beckett - Brazilian modernism ftw)

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link

I could never get into the Lispector I tried, though I'd wanted to. I can't remember exactly what I read--probably a short story collection (or maybe just part of one).

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:08 (eight years ago) link

I have the passion according to g.h. sitting on my bedside cabinet and ive never been able to get into it. just find it incredibly hard to read.

Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:09 (eight years ago) link

A Jest of God by Margaret Laurence

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:14 (eight years ago) link

Totally understand how Lispector could be alienating but I find lots to like. You could burn out on them. I do want to get The Complete Short Stories. Must've been an insane project, its translator gave a really good interview about it.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:30 (eight years ago) link

the only lispector I've read are the handful of stories translated by elizabeth bishop, istr these are supposed to be really bad translations or something but I really liked them

microtone policing (wins), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 22:41 (eight years ago) link

Lispector transcends translation -- even a 'bad' translation will make an impact.

But Dodson is v thoughtful and the book contains every story she wrote.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 23:03 (eight years ago) link

Re: Thomson, I'm sure the new one is poor, he writes too much, about a subject that obviously no longer really engages him. And yes, there is something embarrassing - or grossly sexist, if you prefer - about the way he writes about a great many female actors, not just Kidman. But at the same time I detect a strain of puritanism in some of the criticisms aimed at him for openly expressing his scopophilia - cinema is a machine for desiring and I think Thomson is brave for at least trying to articulate this, however clumsily.

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 23:25 (eight years ago) link

Raduan Nassar - A Cup of Rage. This is an intensely insane novella about a night of passion and its aftermath. I found it funny too, but I'm like that. Each chapter is a sentence each (one of these is about 25 pages). Dissolves in your mind straight after you finish it, leaving a smell.

^^^ yeah, this was mad but fun. Although I found the narrator's obsession with the alleged sexiness of his own feet fairly off-putting

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 00:20 (eight years ago) link

to be fair, I'd probably be more charitable to Thomson if I actually liked Kidman

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 00:21 (eight years ago) link

julien gracq, 'reading writing'
locke's essay
a bit of emerson

bit more of rilkes neue gedichte

started reading a bit of celine's 'journey to the end of the night', it's all very modern and loose and slangy

j., Wednesday, 27 January 2016 04:00 (eight years ago) link

What's the Gracq like? I've read a couple of novellas by him, liked them a lot.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 04:40 (eight years ago) link

Went back to God Save the Kinks earlier. Started it when I bought it over Xmas. Just got as far as You Really Got Me. Not sure how much I like the writing style but did want a history of the band since I was picking up most of at least their 60s lps over the last few years. & it was in the 2 for £5 offer in FOPP.
Think it was another book that I picked up mainly to get the other book I picked up but can't think what that was at the moment. Still do want toget the 60s history in some detail.

Got as far as Thomas Wolfe in Inside the Dream Palace the Chelsea Hotel history.

& as far as Throwing Muses and Pixies touring in Facing The Other Way the 4AD story

Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 16:26 (eight years ago) link

Jon Savage's book on the Kinks is pretty good for an official bio; they prob turn up in his collected reviews etc. too.

dow, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 17:05 (eight years ago) link

I've laid aside the Isaac Bashevis Singer short stories for now. There's some remarkable stuff in there and a large part of its value rests in being an acutely observed compendium of Ashkenazy jewish culture in the 20th century.

Now I am reading Netta Larsen's short novel, Passing, that regards two main women characters who are African Americans in the 1920s, but light-skinned enough to 'pass' for white. One chooses to 'pass' and the other doesn't, although she happily takes advantage of her ability to move about much more freely in society than if she were dark-skinned.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link

What's the Gracq like? I've read a couple of novellas by him, liked them a lot.

i've never read any of his fiction. it seems like an ideal book of criticism to me, it's basically only about canonical works or authors, it views/organizes most things through general reflections on broad literary phenomena (chapters called 'reading', 'writing', 'the novel', comparison to cinema, etc.), but it's written in catches and turns, so that he rarely seems to be trying to make a point, just to state long-considered reflections. his judgments always sound assured, and he has an insider's perspective on career/craft development, but a non-literary-world-game-player's amateur perspective on reading for pleasure and private satisfactions. it seems quite french (and the works mentioned are predominantly french). i read it whenever i want to recompose my mind, it's so measured and well-wrought.

j., Wednesday, 27 January 2016 20:57 (eight years ago) link

that sounds great!

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 22:43 (eight years ago) link

Dave Hutchinson: Europe at Midnight -- really good, just my cup of tea: like Alan Furst writing SF about topology/maps/borders/parallel universes
Diane Williams: Fine, Fine, Fine, Fine, Fine -- intensely irritating, a sort of platonic ideal of the worst of the McSweeney's aesthetic
Amelie Nothomb: Sulphuric Acid -- concentration death camps as reality TV - fairly entertaining but I don't believe a word of it

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 January 2016 22:57 (eight years ago) link

Actually, having read some more of it, Amelie Nothomb: Sulphuric Acid has turned out to be facile crap.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Friday, 29 January 2016 03:36 (eight years ago) link

i don't know helen macdonald but her most recent book made some year-end lists and i LOVE that she mentions sylvia townsend warner in the new york times in 2016 so i'm a new fan of hers. also she says she likes sci-fi. dunno if i really want to read her hawk memoir but people say its great.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/books/review/helen-macdonald-by-the-book.html?hpw&rref=books&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

also, i like that her hawk memoir was partially inspired by henry green.

also, she was the coolest kid reader:

What kind of reader were you as a child? Which childhood books and authors stick with you most?

I was an obsessive reader, the kind of child who’d read the back of the cereal packet six times over breakfast. My favorites were Gerald Durrell, Willard Price, John Masefield and two books about schoolboys running away to live feral in the woods: “Brendon Chase,” by “B.B.,” and “My Side of the Mountain,” by Jean Craighead George. Susan Cooper’s “Dark Is Rising” sequence and Ursula Le Guin’s “Earthsea Quartet” were the best of all.

scott seward, Friday, 29 January 2016 22:32 (eight years ago) link

i guess i really have to read wolf hall, huh? i mean you don't have to hit me over the head a million times. i can't keep seeing people mentioning that book all the time and not be curious. just doesn't SEEM like something i would ordinarily read.

scott seward, Friday, 29 January 2016 22:34 (eight years ago) link

George MacDonald - The Princess and the Goblin
Gabriella Ambrosio - Before We Say Goodbye
Ishmael Beah - A Long Way Gone
Guillermo Verdecchia - Fronteras Americanas

pitchforkian at best (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 03:16 (eight years ago) link

A Majority of Scoundrels, Don Berry, probably the best 'popular' history written about the fur trade in the west of North America. The author has a very engaging narrative voice and an excellent command of the details. Berry just recounted the story of Hugh Glass, subject of The Revenant movie, but when you embed that story in the context of the whole early fur trade milieu, it just seems like part and parcel of the craziness.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:13 (eight years ago) link

D Eggers, THE CIRCLE

the pinefox, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:29 (eight years ago) link

recently finished joe wambaugh's echoes in the darkness abt the philly main line murders. Started off p compelling but something abt the writing style and the characters really started to grate and I was happy to be done w it tbh

also joyce carol oates black girl, white girl. setup + tone reminded me a lot of Curtis sittenfeld's prep which I wonder if shes read this. anyway, its good; felt it was nearly young-adult (ish) and would be good for like a jr in hs to read prob, not too long, not super foreign to relate to, etc

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link

Gillian Slovo: Ten Days -- novel about mass riots in the UK, heavily based on the 2011 outbreaks, based on lots of interviews with participants on both rioter and police sides. Interesting, but fairly pedestrian prose.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 23:39 (eight years ago) link

I spent the last week not reading Hume and instead reading David Brion Davis’s The Problem of Slavery in Western Culture. It’s a 1966 history of moral thinking about slavery, mainly concentrating on New World slavery up to the late 18th century. I learned a lot. I will definitely be reading the two sequel volumes on the "Age of Revolution" and the "Age of Emancipation" (the last one just came out in 2014).

jmm, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 00:36 (eight years ago) link

charles stross, glasshouse -- solid sci-fi with some gender issues
geraldine brooks, year of wonders -- well-written and i am morbidly fascinated with the plague, but the protagonist was too saintly and the conclusion was quite a stretch
timothy snyder, bloodlands -- humanity deserves extinction

mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 00:58 (eight years ago) link

Hallucinations by Oliver Sacks.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 02:10 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/QbBu6va.jpg

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link

^Either that is carefully staged, or the owner of that bookshelf should be beaten without mercy.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 17:54 (eight years ago) link

Shkreli?

badg, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 17:56 (eight years ago) link

oh god, apparently it is Shkreli. How is that even possible?

sacral intercourse conducive to vegetal luxuriance (askance johnson), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 18:08 (eight years ago) link

just finished
Ben Yandell - The Honors Class: Hilbert's Problems and Their Solvers

a biography of mathematicians who solved some of 23 problems listed in 1900. Repitition is a problem: the standard story is a European who went to Germany for higher education, became a professor, and had to flee to America in the late 30s. Sometimes they go insane (e.g. Goedel would only eat his wife's food and starved to death when she was in the hospital.) The long chapter on Kolmogorov was quite interesting and I want to look into his work -- it has a lot of crossover with the later chaos/complexity theory.

remove butt (abanana), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:38 (eight years ago) link

Was interested in that because it won that one award for math writing and l really liked any of the other books I came across that had won it.

Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:52 (eight years ago) link

The prize is named after an ilx0r, I believe.

Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 22:53 (eight years ago) link

Muriel Spark: Symposium -- just started this, anatomy of a dinner party from hell, typically fine Spark nastiness

Carter Scholz: Gypsy -- SF novella about a desperate attempt to achieve interstellar travel, running up against all the non-negotiable indifference of physics and entropy. Really, really good and moving. Beautifull done, really, and takes only 100p where most writers would pad it out to 600 and do it much much worse. Can't recommend this highly enough, tbh. Sholz seems to have been writing since the 1980s, but hasn't published much.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 23:46 (eight years ago) link

'anatomy of a dinner party from hell' sounds like my shit

flopson, Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:05 (eight years ago) link

Recently started The Horse's Mouth, and right off it delivered: "Sun in a mist. Like an orange in a fried-fish shop." I was dimly aware of the trilogy, but not that this is vol. 3. Should I read the first two first?

dow, Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:45 (eight years ago) link

Don't think so.

Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 February 2016 02:14 (eight years ago) link

Muriel Spark: Symposium -- just started this, anatomy of a dinner party from hell, typically fine Spark nastiness

Carter Scholz: Gypsy -- SF novella about a desperate attempt to achieve interstellar travel, running up against all the non-negotiable indifference of physics and entropy. Really, really good and moving. Beautifull done, really, and takes only 100p where most writers would pad it out to 600 and do it much much worse. Can't recommend this highly enough, tbh. Sholz seems to have been writing since the 1980s, but hasn't published much.


This latter sounds great, thanks. Spark sounds good too, don't think I ever got round to reading that one.

Glissendorfin' Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 February 2016 02:15 (eight years ago) link

Nakh - How is Wine for Dummies?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 4 February 2016 08:53 (eight years ago) link

Carter Scholz also wrote criticism for The Comics Journal for a while

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 4 February 2016 09:17 (eight years ago) link

just started lucia berlin's a manual for cleaning women, read about 5/6 of the stories from it last night. it's really good. deadpan, funny, enigmatic at times, and grim - a lot of it has a kind of catholic texan or mexican setting.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 February 2016 09:40 (eight years ago) link

catholic texmex

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 February 2016 09:40 (eight years ago) link

that is a lot of stories to read in one sitting

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 4 February 2016 10:28 (eight years ago) link

the wine for dummies book is at least playfully amusing given that said dummy is filmed drinking a bottle of wine retailing at....$11,995.00

there was an article about rupert murdoch where the hack describes him having (i think) kant's critique of judgment on his bookshelf and noted how choosing that instead of the critique of pure reason for example showed the depth of his erudition

nakhchivan, Thursday, 4 February 2016 10:36 (eight years ago) link

that is a lot of stories to read in one sitting

they are quite short. i went from "not enjoying this too much" to being unable to stop. v good stories.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 February 2016 10:49 (eight years ago) link

Recently started The Horse's Mouth, and right off it delivered: "Sun in a mist. Like an orange in a fried-fish shop." I was dimly aware of the trilogy, but not that this is vol. 3. Should I read the first two first?

I read them backwards starting w/horse's mouth, over several years, many books in between, still enjoyed. always something gained from chronology I suppose, but not necessary here.

an emotionally withholding exterminator (m coleman), Thursday, 4 February 2016 13:17 (eight years ago) link

see i got 'a manual for cleaning women' thinking it was going to be a much weirder sort of experience and when i realised i'd parsed the title wrong i put it down

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:05 (eight years ago) link

(not a joke)

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:05 (eight years ago) link

how did you read the title originally? i guess it's short stories in a fairly classic way.

i felt strange leaving it on my desk when the cleaner came in - it was the only book on an empty desk. i hid it a few weeks ago but became lax over time. hope she didn't find it and feel like she's in a horror movie.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:16 (eight years ago) link

'a manual for cleaning the dirt off women'

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:47 (eight years ago) link

essentially yes! i had literally never heard the term 'cleaning woman', only 'cleaning lady'. i guess it's some sort of weird class thing.

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:52 (eight years ago) link

i think i kind of read it both ways, though the story with that title makes it clear.

i would say "the cleaner" - think that's common in the uk, strange that it's freed itself from gender norms.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:55 (eight years ago) link

yes, certainly 'the cleaner' before 'cleaning lady'. but, again, 'cleaning woman', never. i had thought, perhaps, that the latter was american, but i guess not.

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:55 (eight years ago) link

i guess like "dinner lady" or whatever is p common too. lollipop lady - did they have those in the us?

what's weird is that "lady" is more posh than "woman", right? lords and ladies. is it a case of posh people's shame causing them to give the person who cleans their house a grander title?

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:59 (eight years ago) link

i'm from luton, mate, i don't know how american children get to school. i think it involves SUVs -- i think re lady vs woman it's to do with a particular sector of the lower middle class assuming a kind of affected posh shame, though, i don't know what actual posh people call them. 'scouts'.

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:05 (eight years ago) link

it's interesting how totally wrong 'dinner woman' and 'lollipop woman' sound if you try those out, they don't even sound like valid english phrases

anyway so yeah i should actually read this book is what you're saying?

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:06 (eight years ago) link

yeah it's good. recommend it.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:13 (eight years ago) link

we had lunch ladies here. at school.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 February 2016 16:15 (eight years ago) link

i made a mental note of that book - along with the "hawk lady" book that i mention above - when it showed up on the NYT top ten of the year.

scott seward, Thursday, 4 February 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link

will keep that one in mind.

i'm doing a writing course at the moment and the first night the teacher used stories by lydia davis, kafka, ben marcus, and an irish writer called joanna walsh.

was familiar with the first 3 and i have joanna walsh's non-fiction book about staying in hotels, which i love, partly because i love hotels. there's a good extract here - http://granta.com/hotel-haunting/

but i really liked the two stories of walsh's he gave us - both from this: http://galleybeggar.co.uk/store/3am-books/fractals - it's kind of like lydia davis, sparse, sometimes feels personal to the writer, confessional at times.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 4 February 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/Qpi4Jpj.gif
xpost

remove butt (abanana), Thursday, 4 February 2016 16:32 (eight years ago) link

Lucia Berlin sounds remarkable, and very close to (current) home and past literary interests. With the Black Mountain connections, I'm surprised her name is unfamiliar to me.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 4 February 2016 19:20 (eight years ago) link

Thanks for the reassurances about reading The Horse's Mouth first, guys. Good interview here (and note, in right rail, other contributors to this Fall-Winter 1954-1955 issue, incl Andy Warhol already):
http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/5071/the-art-of-fiction-no-7-joyce-cary

dow, Friday, 5 February 2016 02:09 (eight years ago) link

Peter Stamm - All Days are Night
Elena Ferrante - Story of the Lost Child

I think those two are quite similar - all the big and small emotions are flattened as things that happen (almost more so in Ferrante, as the 'operatic' element kicks in) but for this Nothern and that Southern European author its life presented as processes the characters are made to go through. So the flight and to, then back, to where you come from in the Ferrante but also that alienation (coded as alienation) of characters drawn up by Stamm (there is a flight of sorts too). In both art and its practice is unable to save anyone, only providing punctuation as we carry on from time spent in life and the various jails it has to offer: failed marriages, oppressive families. Happiness is presented as moments of light from the cell window, at other points its solitary confinement.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 5 February 2016 09:34 (eight years ago) link

I literally just bought that Stamm today

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Friday, 5 February 2016 10:14 (eight years ago) link

Didn't find the emotions to be flattened in The Neapolitan Novels, though obv we're meant to feel the onslaught of events, emotions, information/sensory overload at times---as Lila-Lina has those moments of maltdown, re "dissolving boundaries," when the rationalized order of things reminds us it's an illusion, and she lives in dread of this experience, as a control freak, but building to rebellion vs the bullshit promises/establishment of control etc--um, the other thing is, I read the books as they were published in the US, so had some breathing spells. Reading them one after another sounds flattening indeed, exhausting!

dow, Friday, 5 February 2016 15:27 (eight years ago) link

Although, according to interviews, the whole thing was written pretty quickly, and the narrator gives the impression of that, typing away while looking for Lila, or maybe still competing, trying to cover her ass vs. headlines OLD HALF-FORGOTTEN LIT CELEB BROAD'S OUTLIER LIFELONG FRENEMY SOURCE FOUND DEAD, EPIC SUICIDE NOTE TELLS ALL, as well as, as she pretty much admits, suddenly sees/is seized by a way to tell all and jump past the unknowable (is she really an opportunist hack? She can't know---views of literature do change, and change again---and we never see her earlier writing, just get "and then I wrote" paraphrasing, ditto with Lina, who is not the only control freak, eh first-person narrator---writing, as a pro or an outlier, is there as slippery fuel for development of central characters, wherever they go)(watch out, other characters)

dow, Friday, 5 February 2016 15:48 (eight years ago) link

Also watch out, readers---I don't rec reading nonstop.

dow, Friday, 5 February 2016 15:49 (eight years ago) link

i plan on reading all of them in one go. i am a fan of immersion. if its something worth immersing myself in.

scott seward, Friday, 5 February 2016 18:00 (eight years ago) link

I have all three and im going to read them all in row, about 100 pages in on the first

Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 5 February 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link

you and douglas adams have the same definition of trilogy, i take it.

ledge, Friday, 5 February 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link

xpost "cover her ass" *just in case* those headlines (not a spoiler)(although saying it isn't is, sorry damn)

dow, Friday, 5 February 2016 23:37 (eight years ago) link

you and douglas adams have the same definition of trilogy, i take it.

― ledge

ha, I have the first three with the fourth on order from the library, bit of a brain fart

Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 5 February 2016 23:46 (eight years ago) link

I finished reading the Poems of Nazim Hikmet (translated by Randy Blasing and Mutlu Konuk). A while back, I read Philip Larkin's collected poems straight through (like a novel) and this is another one that works well that way. The poems stay pretty close to the life, and the life is eventful enough and the main particulars easy enough to summarize that the connections draw themselves pretty well without in-depth background knowledge. A big chunk of these are prison poems and another chunk are exile poems. (I was reading this at the same time as Guantanamo Diary, so there were a lot of emotional resonances there, making for difficult reading at times.) It's hard to imagine these could be translated better.

o. nate, Saturday, 6 February 2016 03:36 (eight years ago) link

the (exceedingly short) novels of friedrich dürrenmatt

no lime tangier, Saturday, 6 February 2016 07:24 (eight years ago) link

dow - the speed of events is such there is no space to feel much? Its not so much onslaught as that. Mostly I think its good that I dunno - her father's death is give maybe a couple of paras as is the changing of the neighbourhood due to immigration. Did laugh at the passing mention of 9/11.

I had breathing spells because I got them via Inter-library loans. One of them lasted a year - mostly because the 4th wasn't yet translated by the time I finished the 3rd.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 6 February 2016 09:27 (eight years ago) link

I finished reading the Poems of Nazim Hikmet (translated by Randy Blasing and Mutlu Konuk).

Ritsos' Diaries of Exile possibly works in a similar way. Maybe some of Vallejo's stuff too.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 6 February 2016 09:28 (eight years ago) link

dürrenmatt is great!

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Saturday, 6 February 2016 10:52 (eight years ago) link

Sorry for assuming you were gobbling up The Neapolitan Novels, xyzzzz. New paperbacks---wanna check the Stanwyck bio, though some (not this Times writer) say it's way too detailed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/books/review/paperback-row.html?smid=tw-nytbooks&smtyp=cur&_r=0

dow, Saturday, 6 February 2016 22:58 (eight years ago) link

xpost: have only read the two barlach novels so far, but yes, liked their mix of surface realism and phantasmal grotesquerie.

no lime tangier, Sunday, 7 February 2016 07:26 (eight years ago) link

just finished Peter May's The Blackhouse, which i was hoping would be Scottish equiv of scandi-noir being based on Lewis but it didn't get there. wasn't helped by things like this:

‘Are you sure you’re okay?’
‘Sure I’m sure.’
‘You’re not infectious or anything?’
‘Of course not. Why?’
‘Because you look bloody terrible.’
‘Thank you. That makes me feel a whole lot better.’

which seems ok until you realise these are 6/7 year old kids talking. he also used the phrase 'puked and vomited' in the last chapter. puked AND vomited. aren't they the same thing? luckily, it was cheap.

koogs, Monday, 8 February 2016 11:33 (eight years ago) link

tørgny lindgren's "sweetness"

ş̢͢҉͟w̷̢͜͜͡e͢͝d̀͟͝͡ģ͜ (cozen), Monday, 8 February 2016 20:39 (eight years ago) link

Just got Women Crime Writers of the 1940s & 50s: eight novels in two volumes, edited by Sarah Weinberg, published by the Library of America. Several concise pages of introductory material here:
http://womencrime.loa.org/?page_id=187

dow, Monday, 8 February 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link

Sarah Weinman, that is.

dow, Monday, 8 February 2016 21:50 (eight years ago) link

Nice line-up in that set:

Laura by Vera Caspary (1943) -- this was a bit arch for my tastes at the time, should re-read it
The Horizontal Man by Helen Eustis (1946) -- don't know this one
In a Lonely Place by Dorothy B. Hughes (1947) -- great book
The Blank Wall by Elisabeth Sanxay Holding (1947) -- also great, nicely claustrophobic
Mischief by Charlotte Armstrong (1950) -- don't know it
The Blunderer by Patricia Highsmith (1954) -- classic Highsmith nightmare material, really good
Beast In View by Margaret Millar (1955) -- very underrated writer
Fools’ Gold by Dolores Hitchens (1958) -- don't know it

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Monday, 8 February 2016 22:07 (eight years ago) link

starting on cortázar's first novel the winners

no lime tangier, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 05:07 (eight years ago) link

Patrck McGilligan - Young Orson
* Shakespeare - Julius Caesar

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 11:43 (eight years ago) link

Shifted some stuff around near the bed which lead me to pick up Viv Albertine's Clothes, Clothes, Clothes , Music, Music, Music, Boys Boys, Boys which I started over Xmas again. I'm finding it very interesting. Just got as far as Viv becoming Mick Jones steady after Steve Jones tried to seduce her very unsubtly by demanding a blowjob off her. So punk is starting to happen. She's got a guitar that mick Jones helped her select but no sign of teh Slits as yet.

Still reading through the 4AD history Facing the Other Way which has got into the 90s and the generation or wave after Throwing Muses and Pixies. Still mainly reading this on buses which is why it's taking so long to get through, though book is a few hundred pages long.

& still reading Inside the Dream palace teh Chelsea Hotel history on the bog. Got as far as Warhol making films in the mid 60s so maybe about 1/2 way though the book.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 12:31 (eight years ago) link

åsne seierstad, "one of us"

ş̢͢҉͟w̷̢͜͜͡e͢͝d̀͟͝͡ģ͜ (cozen), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:09 (eight years ago) link

I finished Guantanamo Diary. I imagine some day this will be assigned in schools as a cautionary tale of a time when America lots its moral compass, but maybe I'm being too optimistic. Slahi has a very appealing and relatable authorial voice, and even a subtle sense of humor. Some of the scenes are just so absurd that they must have happened: such as the guard who promises to watch a movie with Slahi before she gets transferred out of GTMO, and so on her last day they watch "Black Hawk Down" together.

o. nate, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 03:04 (eight years ago) link

Just finished our own Phil Dellio's collection Interrupting My Train of Thought, which I've been reading a few entries at a time over the last few months (I tend to always have a music and/or film book--and this one has a lot of both--on the go for breaks from my school reading as a means of sanity-preservation). Great stuff, with a bit of it coming from ILX. If you ILXers keep turning out such quality (published) writing--see also, Us Conductors, Wolf in White Vans, several 33 1/3 volumes--I'm gonna have to create a special ILX section on my bookshelf.

Oh, and I created a S*****y playlist with 194 of the songs mentioned in the book, in case anyone was looking for 14 hours of musical distraction or accompaniment.

pitchforkian at best (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 04:08 (eight years ago) link

Didn't know of Interrupting My Train of Thought, and not sure who he is on ilx, but i read the buying-nixon-books essay on the amazon preview pages and it seemed very promising

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:31 (eight years ago) link

Tbh i dont know who ANYONE is on ilx, and can't keep track when people change their usernames, so he could be me for all i know

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:32 (eight years ago) link

A Question of Upbringing by Anthony Powell. Had read the first two or three Dance... novels many years ago, but couldn't remember a damm thing about them, beyond the odd name (Widmerpool, Jenkins.) Now I can see much more clearly the humour in the writing, and the debt to Proust; very much enjoying the movement between England and France, school and university, childhood and adulthood, and so on. Planning on persevering with the whole sequence this time.

Am also in the process of moving, to a smaller flat, after eight years of accumulating...stuff...all in the same place. Looking at all these bloody boxes of books, the Kindle finally seems a LOT more appealing.

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:46 (eight years ago) link

wait, Phil. D, right? i never knew that. until now.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:17 (eight years ago) link

"Tbh i dont know who ANYONE is on ilx,"

I'm me!

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:17 (eight years ago) link

i was in a good book with lots of ilxors! if you've never read it i think you can probably find it for a penny on amazon.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:18 (eight years ago) link

Interrupting My Train of Thought is by the ilxor known as Clemenza, I think

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:19 (eight years ago) link

ah, okay. i guess phil d. would have been too obvious.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link

Sorry--Interrupting My Train of Thought is indeed clemenza's.

What was this book with you and other ILXors, scott?

pitchforkian at best (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:33 (eight years ago) link

Have fun with Powell, Ward. I read the sequence in 2007, and while it was rewarding it wasn't as complex as I wanted. Widmerpool faded in and out of plausibility.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link

"What was this book with you and other ILXors, scott?"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007FGT02Q/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1

WITH ESSAYS BY: Matt Ashare * Tom Breihan * Aaron Burgess * Jon Caramanica * Daphne Carr * Jeff Chang * Ian Christie * Kandia Crazy Horse * John Darnielle * Laina Dawes * Geeta Dayal * Rob Harvilla * Jess Harvell * Michaelangelo Matos * Anthony Miccio * Amy Phillips * Dave Queen * Ned Raggett * Simon Reynolds * Chris Ryan * Scott Seward * Greg Tate * Derek Taylor * Douglas Wolk

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:52 (eight years ago) link

9 or 10 ILXoRz!

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:52 (eight years ago) link

xpost

Thanks Alfred - complex in terms of narrative incident and architecture, or in terms of profundity of thought (or both?)

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:38 (eight years ago) link

Tbh i dont know who ANYONE is on ilx

I'm your favourite living author! I just need a small loan to publish my next book...

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:46 (eight years ago) link

I have once again started War & Peace, after a couple of short failed attempts in college.

Kindle this time, went with the Briggs translation which is nice & breezy so far (maybe a bit *too* glib with modern turns of phrase but i aint mad)

I'll circle back in a month when i'm inevitably mired lol

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

GOOD LUCK AND GODSPEED. i don't think i could do it...

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 20:48 (eight years ago) link

i cheated & watched the miniseries that just aired on tv, that way i can keep the names straight by having a face to picture. it's worked so far!

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 20:55 (eight years ago) link

sooooo many names tho, jfc

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link

there should be a kindle version where they turn all the names into jones, smith, etc.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link

mr veg suggested i give them nicknames lol

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link

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xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 22:05 (eight years ago) link

I'm away from home for several days and brought The Places In Between, Rory Stewart, which I've now begun, along with several alternates in case I get bored with it. So far, he manages to sketch his brief encounters with various Afghan officials, soldiers, and villagers with sufficient vividness that one gets distinct (if simple) ideas about them, rather than their being mere clichés of travel literature. His ability to speak Farsi and to cope with various local dialects of it certainly helps.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 22:14 (eight years ago) link

I'm currently reading Miriam Toews's All my Puny Sorrows; I've been reading it slowly, because this is probably not a great time in my life to be reading about suicidal depression (not to sound worrying), but I'm impressed with Toews's simultaneous lightness of tone and resistance to sentimentality. I'm also going slowly through Jane Bowles's letters in Out in the World: it's wonderful to have more of Bowles's prose, but there's a claustrophobic quality to the letters, which largely describe a life spent struggling against silence, and Jane's comparisons of her own work to Paul's are often painful to read.  I've also been reading Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow and Angela Davis's Abu Ghraib-era interviews in Abolition Democracy. The former is a brilliant and damning comment on the American legal system, but remains strangely tied to the discourse of liberal reformism and barely engages with abolitionist voices or the legacy of Black Power movements; the latter draws crucial connections between the prison industrial complex and militarism abroad, and makes me hope intensely that Davis still intends to finish her book on prisons.

one way street, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 23:22 (eight years ago) link

I'm enjoying the Women Crime Writers of the 1940s & 50s set dow described upthread. I had some cognitive dissonance reading Laura because it was impossible not to visualize Lydecker as Clifton Webb even though he's described as a big fat guy with a van dyke. First-person narration by Lydecker, McPherson, and Laura adds some complexity not possible in the movie but also makes the proceedings less unified. I'm curious how this TCM Effect will influence my readings of In a Lonely Place and The Blank Wall (filmed as The Reckless Moment).

Brad C., Thursday, 11 February 2016 13:41 (eight years ago) link

Think the film version ofIn A Lonely Place is supposed to be very different from novel? Haven't read it yet.
one way street, feel better, okay? Hope so. Speaking of Jane Bowles, I recently clicked on the collection Your Sister's Hand In Mine---most of which I've already read, but I know I'll buy it---and Amazon emailed me, thinking I might like these (among other more familiar suggestions):

Joy Williams, The Visiting Privilege: New and Collected Stories

Mina Loy, Insel(Neversink)

Neila Larsen, Passing

Leopoldine Core, When Wretched: Stories

Djuna Barnes, Nightwood (New Edition)

Larbi Layachi, A Life Full of Holes

Elizabeth Hardwick, Sleepless Nights

Millicent Dillon, A Little Original Sin: The Life of Jane Bowles

Anybody read 'em?

dow, Thursday, 11 February 2016 22:07 (eight years ago) link

Passing and Sleepless Nights are both very good. Aimless a little upthread was reading Passing, too.

Nightwood is an acquired taste, one I was unable to acquire. Have the Loy but haven't read it yet.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 11 February 2016 22:50 (eight years ago) link

I've been curious about Insel, have a copy of Nightwood around that I've been meaning to read.

Currently slowly going through The Siege of Krishnapur by JG Farrell, it's not as entrancing as Troubles so far but what is?

JoeStork, Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:10 (eight years ago) link

didn't know mina loy had written a novel! need to acquire a copy asap.

i liked nightwood fine, but i really liked that collection of early stories virago press put out.

no lime tangier, Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:14 (eight years ago) link

xposts: further suggestion based on your list, h.d.'s fiction is well worth a read too.

no lime tangier, Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:17 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, the stories were much more my thing than Nightwood.
http://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9780860685869-us.jpg

Weirdly, both the Loy books I've got have the same cover. I mean, when the photo is that cool I see why you use it...
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/P/1564786307.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/P/1612193536.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:19 (eight years ago) link

Joy Williams is one of my favorite living authors, but i don't know what is in that collection. but i would read it no matter what was in it.

scott seward, Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:22 (eight years ago) link

okay, 13 stories never collected before. will buy that when i see it somewhere. i've been meaning to RE-read her stuff for ages. cuz it's been awhile for the older collections. i have almost everything. missing a few things. don't have her guidebook to the Florida Keys, but i would buy it if i saw it.

scott seward, Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:25 (eight years ago) link

i just think it's cool that they would put a huge retrospective volume like that out in 2015. so many people who have been writing as long as she has get lost in the shuffle. and its not like her stuff ever sold like crazy.

scott seward, Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:28 (eight years ago) link

Ack, not When Wretched, it's When Watched!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FPbbyBtKL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

dow, Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:28 (eight years ago) link

Wondered why I couldn't find it--Amazon just kept suggesting Magic: The Gathering cards when I looked for it, which seemed peculiar

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Friday, 12 February 2016 00:27 (eight years ago) link

reading Patrick Modiano -- here's what I posted on Facebook earlier this week:

Very strange, after the subdued & reflective tone of the three novellas collected in the volume 'Suspended Sentences', to go all the way back to "La Place de l"etoile" (the author's debut), a wildly uneven postmodern goof of a book, about a thinly characterized self-loathing Jew who is simultaneously obsessed with & repulsed by the French "national character" (not excluding its virulent anti-semitism) -- e.g. at one point, he beats up his provincial schoolmates for being insufficiently reverent towards the canon of minor French novelists, then in the next chapter finds himself drawn into an international scheme to abduct and traffic French girls from the countryside, which he abandons halfheartedly before chapter's end. I'm not finished with it yet, but this is a lot closer to the angry settling-of-scores I was expecting from Modiano, who wears his fascination with the occupation and its collaborators on his sleeve; I'm curious to see how the ambitious 22 year-old author of "La Place..." grew & evolved through the other two novels collected here.

"meaningless or meaningful / As architecture," (bernard snowy), Friday, 12 February 2016 01:31 (eight years ago) link

Yes, been meaning to check him out!
Haven't seen anything by Joy Williams in a long time, but her early stories incl. subtle displacement, more or less in passing ---somebody can't find their $1000 sunglasses, early 70s $---never mind. the author's got some other lenses---then her first novel, State of Grace, where the opening monologue was somebody carefully pulling a cloud of images out of her ear, then they all settle into focus, oh shit (nominated for National Book Award, as well it might have been, lost to Gravity's Rainbow).

dow, Friday, 12 February 2016 01:49 (eight years ago) link

Finished "La Place de l'étoile" last night -- a strange book indeed. Pastiche of Celine & parody of Proust eventually give way to Kafka, as the shifts in tense & narrative perspective (from first- to third-, even occasionally second-person) become so frequent & jarring, sometimes within a single paragraph, that he had begun to suspect incompetence on the part of the translator &/or proofreader.

"meaningless or meaningful / As architecture," (bernard snowy), Friday, 12 February 2016 12:15 (eight years ago) link

åsne seierstad, "one of us"

cozen, Friday, 12 February 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link

"one of us"? Like in Freaks?

Tin Machine Mole (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 February 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link

Jonasson - The 100 year old man who etc. etc.
For a book club, which I didn't attend because I was sick. But, I'm 2/3rds through so I might as well finish. It has two parts: a ridiculous adventure yarn where the title character kills a team of criminals one by one, either accidentally or in somewhat self defense; and Forrest Gump, the movie, where staying out of politics is a position spelled out by having every -ist get killed, while the title dude survives by not being into politics -- a stupid philosophy that is not conducive to comedy.

remove butt (abanana), Friday, 12 February 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link

The laundrette in my new building has a bookshelf with a copy of that, I wasn't tempted to read it because I saw the film and it was unadulterated waste

offshore syntax maven (wins), Friday, 12 February 2016 20:31 (eight years ago) link

really enjoying 'europe in autumn'; thanks to fizzles and james m. for mentioning its sequel

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 February 2016 01:41 (eight years ago) link

Joy Williams is one of my favorite living authors

Can't stop mentally autocorrecting this to be an ilxor.

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 February 2016 03:03 (eight years ago) link

_Muriel Spark: Symposium -- just started this, anatomy of a dinner party from hell, typically fine Spark nastiness

Carter Scholz: Gypsy -- SF novella about a desperate attempt to achieve interstellar travel, running up against all the non-negotiable indifference of physics and entropy. Really, really good and moving. Beautifull done, really, and takes only 100p where most writers would pad it out to 600 and do it much much worse. Can't recommend this highly enough, tbh. Sholz seems to have been writing since the 1980s, but hasn't published much._

This latter sounds great, thanks. Spark sounds good too, don't think I ever got round to reading that one.


Just finished Gypsy today. Exactly as described, thanks so much, James, am seeking out more of his stuff. When you talk about 600 pages, you aren't talking about KSR, are you? Haven't yet read any of his longer stuff myself, also understand those two guys are hiking buddies.

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 February 2016 03:09 (eight years ago) link

Didnt actually mean KSR--I enjoyed his starship novel last year too, though I think Gypsy was a bit better--just referring to SF novel bloat in general, where the material for a cracking short story or novella is bulked up unnecessarily for the market. See also literary fiction too, I guess.

Anyway, I'm glad Gypsy and Europe in Autumn are getting some love!

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Saturday, 13 February 2016 03:31 (eight years ago) link

not sure what to think of this, but I'll give it a chance. fun to try to draw the line between realism and fiction.

calstars, Saturday, 13 February 2016 23:04 (eight years ago) link

Another vote for Sleepless Nights, would like to read again someday. Seem to remember a really good description of seeing Billy Holiday. Also enjoyed what I have read of her Collected Short Stories.

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 February 2016 03:06 (eight years ago) link

The title of the other one I am thinking of is actually The New York Stories f Elizabeth Hardwick.

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 February 2016 03:19 (eight years ago) link

NYRB Winter Sale---50 books at 50% off (wondering about Poets In A Landscape and Pages From The Goncourt Journals)(maybe the Cendrars):

http://www.nyrb.com/collections/winter-sale?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NYR%20Winter%20Sale&utm_content=NYR%20Winter%20Sale+CID_093896182073cb3e11f6921e1ab46742&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_term=Browse%20the%20books

dow, Sunday, 14 February 2016 04:24 (eight years ago) link

An early version of the Billie Holiday chapter in Sleepless Nights is available here, incidentally, and it conveys the tone of the book fairly well: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1976/03/04/billie-holiday/

one way street, Sunday, 14 February 2016 05:42 (eight years ago) link

Didnt actually mean KSR--I enjoyed his starship novel last year too, though I think Gypsy was a bit better--just referring to SF novel bloat in general, where the material for a cracking short story or novella is bulked up unnecessarily for the market. See also literary fiction too, I guess.

Anyway, I'm glad Gypsy and Europe in Autumn are getting some love!


Yup. Europe in Autumn looking good, maybe that's up next.

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 February 2016 15:40 (eight years ago) link

Started into 131 by Julian Cope this morning after finishing the Viv Albertine book last night. Very touching that Viv Albertine.
131 is a bit more comical using Cope's usual idiomatic style, not sure how much of that is sui generis. I haven't really come across any people who talk like that myself but there you go.
THink I've read a number of people struggling with the book so not sure how far I'll go with it since I do have a number of other things I want to read, but so far so good.

Stevolende, Sunday, 14 February 2016 21:09 (eight years ago) link

Philip Schultz: The Wherewithal. -- verse novel about (deep breath) the Holocaust, Polish pogroms, the Zodiac killer, Vietnam War, a kafkaesque take on wirking in californian social security, being an inadvertant murderer... Very good, but somewhat overstuffed, and not everything quite meshes together

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Monday, 15 February 2016 10:20 (eight years ago) link

you had me at holocaust followed by zodiac killer

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Monday, 15 February 2016 11:14 (eight years ago) link

:Picked up Children of the Revolution out of the debris around my bed and started into that again. Just read a history of Mott The Hoople up to All The Young Dudes that has me wanting to pick up physical copies of their lps.

Stevolende, Monday, 15 February 2016 11:40 (eight years ago) link

glad to see your debris field is bearing fruit; I still need to find time to weed out the library books from mine

got zines but I'm not a scenester (bernard snowy), Monday, 15 February 2016 15:44 (eight years ago) link

stevo, Mott's Brain Capers was one of my most-played albums of and in the 70s, but most of their LPs were good. if sometimes uneven, incl the comps-with-rarities, Rock & Roll Queen and Greatest Hits. Live, recorded on Broadway, improves on some early studio tracks, and is mesmerizing overall (or was; haven't listened to any of their records in a long time). It's much longer on CD, but I haven't listened to their CDs at all. Nevertheless, they play themselves in my head fairly often.

dow, Monday, 15 February 2016 19:20 (eight years ago) link

Yeah was listening to soundfiles of Brain Capers yesterday. Pretty great.

About time I got through the Dave Thompson book though since it's been somewhere around my bedroom for the last couple of years.
& I should know more about the Glam scene really since I do enjoy bits and pieces from that era.

Stevolende, Monday, 15 February 2016 19:26 (eight years ago) link

While sticking my head pretty far into in The Horse's Mouth, also thinking I need to get John Berger's A Painter of Our Time, and this---anybody read it?
http://brooklynrail.org/2016/02/art_books/john-berger-on-artists

dow, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link

I finished mopping up the last of the gravy from A Majority of Scoundrels last night and picked up The Thirty Years War: Europe's Tragedy by Peter Wilson to wind up the evening. It is enormous, as any book must be that tries to cover that conflict. So enormous that I cannot imagine myself finishing it unless Wilson proves to be an unusually gripping storyteller, but I can imagine sticking with it long enough to make a small start on filling this gaping void in my historical knowledge.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link

Just had the book With The Beatles featuring the photography of Robert Whitaker drop through the mailbox. It's more visual than text based but does have some comments I think mainly from the photographer.
Got some beautiful photos in it.
Oversized so wonder how a copy of it disappeared in the mail to me just before this one was ordered. Very glad to have a copy.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link

I should probably mention also that I finished The Places In Between last week while vacationing. It was a very readable travel book, more vivid than most. I'd recommend it, just for its minor, but shining, virtues. As usual with the travel genre, one learns many small and interesting things, but the sinews that hold it all together are rarely very strong. Because the essence of the genre is to give minor pleasure it just as rarely matters.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link

I haven't read that specific selection of Berger's essays, dow, but a lot of his writings from the sixties through the eighties are among my favorite works of art criticism (as an outsider to that field, at least); at his best, he's able to make the act of looking remarkably vivid (as that reviewer says) while maintaining a dynamic sense of historical context.

one way street, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 21:31 (eight years ago) link

read milan kundera - laughter and forgetting this week. i loved the author when i was in high school but i've pretty much lost the taste for it.

flopson, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link

Mildly curious to have a go at one of Berger's novels - probably has to be G.. Anyone read it?

Alexievich's Voices from Chernobyl, an overwhelming experience. Most things I read can be considered sad (even depressing but I don't think about it in those terms) but because its re-cast as fiction - which has that effect to protect you so that you can get inside the horror, or simply serves as material to be mastered. Nothing like that here. Alexiviech gives you no breathing space as you find yourself inside a collage of decay, irresponsibility and destruction, and a destruction of everything - humans, animals, plants, children, food. In the end there is something of the writer as editor of people - she allows them their voice, but its much better than a mere documentary in her re-workings. Look forward to more sometime. Moved onto Josef Winkler's When the Time Comes which convincingly at the Genet-like transcendence, the collage here is of death and pain, but its done with such artfulness and prose-poetic rhythm that you keep turning the pages. Images are continuously re-thought - death is looked at telescopically in these images that make it sound almost attractive (the body is simply returned to the earth, its so normal it happens all the time, like life) and yet it is all collages in this inorganic manner too - all seems like a painting (and a medieval one too, at times I thought this was sent hundreds of years ago instead of the mid-20th century). He is the kind of writer tnat you need to live inside for several books at a time (if you can bear it) so I'm looking forward to reading Garden of Bitter Oranges when its published later this year.

NYRB Winter Sale---50 books at 50% off (wondering about Poets In A Landscape and Pages From The Goncourt Journals)

Started on The Goncourt Journal! Its compulsive reading atm: a mixture of acid bitchyness, passges of excellent crit (the way they lay into Flaubert after a reading of Salammbo, whom they otherwise have much affection for). Also has plenty of misogny - which in turn reflects on various inadequacies - the men as portrayed here can't stop talking about women. Must've been a key text for Proust.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 22:17 (eight years ago) link

There's a really virtuosic pastiche of the Goncourt journals late in Recherche, iirc. (I mean, I think it's virtuosic but haven't read enough of the actual brothers to properly judge.)

one way street, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 23:20 (eight years ago) link

Alexievich does sound like a harrowing writer, xyzzzz__; I'll have to come around to her.

one way street, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 23:27 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, that Chernobyl book, it really really got to me. Frequently quite horrific. Annoyingly, I see it's coming out soon in the UK in a revised/updated/expanded edition, so I seem to have been harrowed by the inferior version.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 00:55 (eight years ago) link

The Dalkey Archive version is pretty good. I don't know what 'superior' would mean.

ows - in a sense she gets across a raw suffering (which is a cliche peculiar to Russian Lit). She presents things as they appear to have been in a documentary fashion but is also able to cast the net sideways (bits on how Chehkov and Tolstoy - as good as they are - are useless as offering anything to the readers then). Its a bit like the film Come and See. Klimov said somewhere that he didn't show everything, otherwise people wouldn't be able to stand it. Comparison of media aside (and I know its a big aside) Alexiviech probably goes a bit further, as she can show by writing it in a piece of paper and possibly trusts her readers to be able to withstand it some more because: 1) we are far away from it, reading and 2) its harder to picture things in your mind off the page. That 2nd point is more personal, I can switch that off.

This really has a feel of science fic at times.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 10:12 (eight years ago) link

Flopson -- I'm reading The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, too -- my first Kundera. Shortly after checking it out from the library, I met a young woman who had just read it for a class. Must be something in the air...

too late to TLOPogize (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 13:28 (eight years ago) link

There's a really virtuosic pastiche of the Goncourt journals late in Recherche, iirc. (I mean, I think it's virtuosic but haven't read enough of the actual brothers to properly judge.)

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One more thing: I think the Goncourt's are all over Recherche... There is a Proust account on twitter - basically someone re-writing Proust as tweets, and for a lot of the time it could double as a Goncourt twitter.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 13:42 (eight years ago) link

This really has a feel of science fic at times.

Speaking of which I really enjoyed Roadside Picnic. Can't believe I hadn't read it before in fact as I've been peripherally aware of it for a while. It's great at leaving lacunae into which you can project, which in itself is the nature of the Zone.

In addition it's populated by people trying to get by in life, in the normal way, in a totally destabilised environment. Something PDK does well too - people have jobs and needs and families etc. One of the best books I've read I think.

Also read some Khlebnikov prose, which was quite futurist in many of its PROCLAMATIONS about MACHINES, but also contained some stark landscapes and proto-science fiction material as no lime tangier said. Only I wasn't very compis mentis when I read it as I'd given myself a fucking huge headache by playing bloodborne for too long, and I kept on getting the landscapes confused (crypto-Lovecraftian cities of monstrosities superimposed onto futuristic pre-revolutionary industrial russia) so I'm going to give it another proper go next week.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 13:47 (eight years ago) link

The Zone is referred to in Voices of Chernobyl btw. But it also discusses Chernobyl as the end of physics.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 14:28 (eight years ago) link

"Flopson -- I'm reading The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, too"

it's because i mentioned him on that unfashionable writer thread. i spoke his name and now he is alive...

scott seward, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link

Just got 1966 by jon Savage through the post. Not really had a chance to do more than give it a peripheral look, BUt am seriously looking forward to reading it.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 16:26 (eight years ago) link

Very favorable Christgau review, posted now on his site, of the 2-CD musical companion to Savage's book, with more tracks than the songs commented on in the latter, I'm told (additional commentary in the CD booklet).

I'm gonna order the Berger books I mentioned (already got xpost G, high time I read that too), and an amazingly inexpensive Robert Walser New Directions book with tipped-in art, mentioned in this amazingly amazing view of ND's pocket universe (also need to get Beauty Is A Wound, based on description here)
http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/how-staying-small-helps-new-directions-publish-great-books?mbid=nl_160216_Daily&CNDID=27752069&spMailingID=8551884&spUserID=MTA5MjQwNTU0OTUwS0&spJobID=861641249&spReportId=ODYxNjQxMjQ5S0

dow, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link

Having read another 60 pages of Thirty Years War I can definitely say that Peter Wilson is not an unusually gripping storyteller. I'll keep ploughing ahead, but I very much doubt I'll plough to the end.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:36 (eight years ago) link

I've read C. V. Wedgewood's Thirty Years War, which was fairly readable (and somewhat shorter than Wilson's). I guess the drawback is that it's missing the latest scholarship. It did a good job of sketching the different phases of the conflict, major battles, motivations of various rulers and generals, and high-level politics. What I felt like it was missing was a vivid sense of what life was like for a soldier, peasant or burgher caught up in the war. I intend to read Simplicissimus at some point, which hopefully delivers a bit more of that.

o. nate, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:52 (eight years ago) link

New Strugatsky Brothers translation coming in a few months, 'The Doomed City': http://www.amazon.com/Doomed-City-Arkady-Strugatsky/dp/1613749937/ref=sr_1_1/177-0272354-7602832?ie=UTF8&qid=1455746192&sr=8-1&keywords=strugatsky+doomed

Arkady and Boris Strugatsky are widely considered the greatest of Russian science fiction masters, and their most famous work, Roadside Picnic, has enjoyed great popularity worldwide. Yet the novel they worked hardest on, the novel that was their own favorite, the novel that readers worldwide have acclaimed as their magnum opus, has never before been published in English.

The Doomed City was so politically risky that the Strugatsky brothers kept its existence a complete secret even from their best friends for sixteen years after its completion in 1972. It was only published in Russia during perestroika in the late 1980s, the last of their works to see publication. It was translated into a host of major European languages, and now appears in English in a major new translation by acclaimed translator Andrew Bromfield.

The Doomed City is set in an experimental city whose sun gets switched on in the morning and switched off at night, bordered by an abyss on one side and an impossibly high wall on the other. Its sole inhabitants are people who were plucked from twentieth-century history at various times and places and left to govern themselves under conditions established by Mentors whose purpose seems inscrutable. Andrei Voronin, a young astronomer plucked from Leningrad in the 1950s, is a diehard believer in the Experiment, even though his first job in the city is as a garbage collector. And as increasingly nightmarish scenarios begin to affect the city, he rises through the political hierarchy, with devastating effect.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 21:57 (eight years ago) link

wow, sounds great. i really like the postscripts in the editions I've been reading about how they had to fight through the institutional and cultural stupidities to get what they could published. in hard to be a god one of them (I can't remember which, Arkady?) says to his brother - i just want to write Dumas style swashbuckler with cardinals and sword fighting! no satire! and so his brother relents and they write it. then there's a bout of concerted cultural and journalistic attacks on the arts, dictating what should and shouldn't be written, and Beria's denouncing decadence, so they rewrite with a Don Rebia purging an alien medieval land of all enlightenment (later changed to Don Reba). bloody odd book of course for that very reason, but enjoyable.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 22:05 (eight years ago) link

This one, posted by James Morrison on Rolling Speculative etc, is billed as a century of science fiction from Russia and the Soviet Union (just came out a couple months ago, James says):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016C3KATY?ref_=pd_ys_nr_all_8

dow, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:49 (eight years ago) link

started roadside picnic last night after the mentions here. in 3 pages it explains more than the film ever does.

koogs, Thursday, 18 February 2016 09:19 (eight years ago) link

Lol

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 February 2016 11:44 (eight years ago) link

andrei voronin, a young astronomer plucked from leningrad in the 1950s

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01556/andriy_voronin_1556340a.jpg

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 18 February 2016 11:56 (eight years ago) link

Speaking of New Directions in the New Yorker, ND's going to publish a new Delmore Schwartz collection; here's Ashbery's intro, which I meant to just skim but couldn't:
http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-heavy-bear-on-delmore-schwartz?intcid=mod-latest

dow, Thursday, 18 February 2016 22:47 (eight years ago) link

Cool!

Ordered some more Carter Sholz from the library. Will report later, I guess.

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 February 2016 00:40 (eight years ago) link

Just started more Carter Scholz myself: a short collection of stories he wrote with Jonathan Lethem about Kafka ('Kafka Americana')--best one so far has Kafka getting TB treatment and moving to the US to become a scriptwriter for Frank Capra

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Friday, 19 February 2016 01:24 (eight years ago) link

Sounds good. Had requested that one too, still Pending and not yet In Transit.

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 February 2016 01:36 (eight years ago) link

speaking of the New Yorker, i was visiting my parents and my dad had bought that hardcover collection of 50's new yorker stuff and i wish i had stolen it from him. lotsa gold in there.

scott seward, Friday, 19 February 2016 03:45 (eight years ago) link

Read more Kafka Americana at lunch, another great Scholz story has Kafka, Wallace Stevens and Charles Ives all at an insurance sales conference in some vast inescapable European hotel

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Friday, 19 February 2016 04:47 (eight years ago) link

From the description alone I like.

Thank You For Cosmic Jive Talkin' (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 February 2016 06:08 (eight years ago) link

Feel like I used to own a copy of that book but never read all of it, or maybe I read one of the stories in some other venue, "K is for Kafka," is that one?

Thank You For Cosmic Jive Talkin' (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 February 2016 06:15 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, 'K for Fake', riffing on Orson Welles--it was in an issue of McSweeney's, too, according to the copyright info

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Friday, 19 February 2016 06:43 (eight years ago) link

Yesterday I picked up a well-designed, nicely printed hard cover collection of selections of Thomas Carlyle that was put out around 1950 as part of The Reynard Library, which was a very nicely done series. This copy was in very good condition with a dust jacket, for $2.

So, I read the first selection last night, an essay "Signs of the Times". TC was a gifted haranguer, but he spoiled whatever value his ideas had by affixing them to the most extreme hardline position he could achieve, so whatever was reasonable in them is mixed up with total nonsense and spoiled.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 20 February 2016 19:20 (eight years ago) link

i'm reading a ton of things at once as per usual, but also doing a writing class at faber, and this week the teacher gave us karl ove knausgaard, like i think the opening of the first book. apart from ruining my streak of having read all the stories he'd given us and seeming like the wanker mature student of a 12-week class - i find it p interesting.

i mean, some of his observations are brilliant, but parts of it also seem facile, stupid, or poorly explored.

for instance (and this nearly ruined the whole thing for me, insofar as it's a six-page sample that was finished when i finished it)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb23i4TW0AEw8E0.jpg

i mean... is he really, REALLY incapable of finding a simple reason, besides cellar coolness, as to why a funeral home might not be on the eighth floor of a building and an insurance office would? like damn this wooden box full a 15-stone policy is a nightmare to move.

are the books full of this kind of thing? i'm aware this is pedantry but this was so bad as to make me a lot more suspicious of the rest...

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:51 (eight years ago) link

I gave up on Karl O. K. after ~200 pages of the first volume of My Struggle. He didn't seem to have much to say and took his own sweet time to say it. His digressions into broad social observation struck me as particularly useless.

My current book is Kipling's first novel, The Light That Failed, which he wrote at age 24. It is an interesting mixture, exhibiting the pacing of a born storyteller and flashes of excellent style, all muddled up with a lot of juvenile posturing and painfully immature judgment.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 17:42 (eight years ago) link

The Light That Failed is very enjoyable, but you're otm about the posturing etc. Still well worth reading, though. Seems to be out of print, which is a bit of a surprise.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 21:20 (eight years ago) link

i don't think that's pedantry in the slightest tbh; it undermines the total observation. also you lose trust in the author (not just in the quality if their observations, but in the intellectual materials they've used to construct their world), and if you're going to spend a lot of time in his company that's fatal. xpost to LG.

currently reading Wittgenstein's Remarks on Frazer's Golden Bough. it's good. has as its principle "what it is that is deep about magic would be kept" and criticizes Frazer for categorizing the magical and religious notions of the peoples he writes about as "mistakes".

Fizzles, Thursday, 25 February 2016 11:34 (eight years ago) link

Fizzles that Wittgenstein sounds amazing, is it in German or English?

Also I agree that the Knausgaard seems like an essay-novel in the Musil tradition, but minus the intelligence, to the point of veering into Literary Seinfeldism: "What's the deal with morgues?" & so forth

Currently reading The Atrocity Exhibition; forever uncertain what to think of it, or how to feel; perpetually on the brink of setting it on a bench somewhere & walking away fast

Posts found in a bottle by (bernard snowy), Thursday, 25 February 2016 14:19 (eight years ago) link

Holy smokes, there's a Wicker Man on the cover of that Wittgenstein book!

The Kidd With The Erasable Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 25 February 2016 14:27 (eight years ago) link

Upcoming edition anyway.

The Kidd With The Erasable Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 25 February 2016 14:28 (eight years ago) link

German with facing-page translation. It's very very slender. What's good about it is the fairly light application of methods of philosophical thought you get in Philosophical Investigations - the care not to see causation in proximity - to a quite focused area. It's all quite liberating, every paragraph has you saying 'yes!' and punching the air slightly:

Even the idea of trying to explain the practice - say the killing of the priest-king - seems to me wrong-headed. All that Frazer does is to make this practice plausible to people who think as he does. It is very queer that all these practices are finally presented, so to speak, as stupid actions.

But it never does become plausible that people do all this out of sheer stupidity.

When he explains to us, for example, that the king must be killed in his prime because, according to the notion of the savages, his soul would not be kept fresh otherwise, we can only say: where that practice and these views go together, the practice does not spring from the view, but both of them are there.

funny, i was thinking about The Atrocity Exhibition yesterday - was reading Benjamin's essay on Paris, the Capital of the Nineteenth Century, which contains a section on World Exhibitions:

World exhibitions glorify the exchange value of the commodity. They create a framework in which its use value recedes into the background. They open a phantasmagoria which a person enters in order to be distracted. The entertainment industry makes this easier by elevating the person to the level of the commodity. he surrenders to its manipulations while enjoying his alienation from himself and others. .. World exhibitions propagate the universe of commodities.

I didn't really get round to applying this to Ballard particularly, though it feels kin, as does this bit in fact:

Fashion stands in opposition to the organic. It couples the living body to the inorganic world. To the living, it defends the rights of the corpse. The fetishism that succumbs to the sex appeal of the inorganic is its vital nerve. The cult of the commodity presses such fetishism into its service.

Have to be careful though, "similar words used in a similar way" does not equal "the same". i did end up here because of a comment on form and function in High Rise, so am just letting all percolate through at the moment.

Fizzles, Thursday, 25 February 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link

I too was just now thinking about Ballard, but it was while I was staring at this picture. Aviation, crashes, filming, death.

woof, Thursday, 25 February 2016 15:40 (eight years ago) link

i like those long articles i have read by knausgaard but there is no way i would ever read those books. would much rather read kipling. so maybe he is the new DFW for me. will read his wide-eyed reportage, but don't need the fiction.

scott seward, Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link

i have been ignoring all the talk about him, so the concept was p fascinating to me when i heard about it. but yeah i dunno if i would read the books, that bit i screengrabbed annoyed me too much.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:36 (eight years ago) link

i'm still reading 2nd volume of ferrante but i also picked up francis davis's Like Young and i couldn't put it down and man he really sends me that francis davis. he's so good.

scott seward, Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:37 (eight years ago) link

lmao @ literary seinfeldism

flopson, Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link

i like those long articles i have read by knausgaard but there is no way i would ever read those books.

vol.5 and/or 6 is about Brevik and Hitler, a section of that sounds like one of those excellent essays he has been knocking off so I am looking forward to that.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 25 February 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link

Thanks for Wittgenstein's still very relevant take on Frazer, Fizzles. Recalls my impressions of Dawkins, Maher, Hitchens and many lesser lights on Isalm, for inst.

I also like this:
http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/modernism_in_sf

Even better, I think:
http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/postmodernism_and_sf

Lots of links in those; I just now read this, which seems pretty astute:
http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/ballard_j_g

dow, Thursday, 25 February 2016 18:05 (eight years ago) link

I too was just now thinking about Ballard, but it was while I was staring at this picture🔗. Aviation, crashes, filming, death.

why i want to fuck noel edmonds.

Fizzles, Thursday, 25 February 2016 18:20 (eight years ago) link

it's the trad ballard plot - smith is the professional drawn into the orbit of the charismatic psychopath edmonds, climax is Smith crashing a helicopter with his wife beside him.

woof, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link

this fits somewhere

woof, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:08 (eight years ago) link

Finished Percival Everett, ERASURE (2001). Terrifically intelligent and challenging novel.

the pinefox, Friday, 26 February 2016 13:18 (eight years ago) link

Love that book. He's an a,amazingly versatile writer. Have you read anything else of his?

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Saturday, 27 February 2016 02:41 (eight years ago) link

I have not yet! But very impressed by this one. So much in it.

I was going to comment: I love KAFKA AMERICANA.

Knausgaard's comment above about death relating to the ground seemed not that ridiculous to me, on the face of it. But I haven't read his books and thus can't understand what he does or why, yet.

the pinefox, Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:05 (eight years ago) link

I just started Northanger Abbey last night. The straightforward pleasure of Austen's narrative voice is hard to beat.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:27 (eight years ago) link

Been trying to get back into reading for fun (yet again, I have breaks for various reasons, often involving academia or depression). Recent reads have involved some classics that I have inexplicably ignored, a couple of my beloved experimentals, and some things I never thought I would ever read but ended up loving.

A rough list of the last few months from memory:

Sophocles - Oedipus Rex + Oedipus at Colonus (not got around to Antigone yet)
Margaret Atwood - Oryx & Crake (goodish but a bit underwhelming, for some reason I never read the Handmaid's Tale at school so my mum has loaned me it to read soon)
James Baldwin - Giovanni's Room
Raymond Roussel - Locus Solus
Italo Calvino - Invisible Cities
Georges Perec - W, or the Memory of Childhood
Patrick Ness - Chaos Walking trilogy (my YA-loving friend lent these to me, they are young adult sci-fi books and I really really like them, got some quite high-concept stuff going on while remaining very accessible for kids/teens)
Christine Brooke-Rose - Xorandor (and just started Verbivore)

I think there might have been a couple of others recently that I have forgotten. That's one problem of getting back into reading at a relatively high speed (though I'm probably still slower than most of you) - I forgot that I need at least a couple of days between books to let them settle in. Also I have such a bad memory it's feasible that I might have posted about some of these before.

emil.y, Saturday, 27 February 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link

finished a cortázar collection from the late sixties/early seventies (a change of light & other stories). some almost straight up horror and hard-boiled pulp type stuff mixed in with the more recondite material... wasn't so sure about the one with the ghost of chopin thwarting the invasion of an unnamed latin american country, but otherwise some good stuff in there.

then some early bolaño: the skating rink & nazi literature in the americas (really liked the latter & going to have to find a copy of distant star)

now: perec's things, a story of the sixties

also, i really need to read some roussel!

no lime tangier, Sunday, 28 February 2016 02:21 (eight years ago) link

Emil.y, i think you've hit some real gems in your return to reading! Giovannis room and invisible cities are wonderful books. And you remind me i need to dig out that christine brooke-rose book i bought when that thread about her was revived, and then never got round to reading.

Handmaids tale is not a perfect book, but still a very very effective one. By far her best SF work (though i say that as someone who thinks the rest of her SF is actually pretty risible)

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Sunday, 28 February 2016 03:43 (eight years ago) link

Packing for a long spell of nomadism, think I can manage a bag of books (everything else goes into storage tomorrow). How do you decide what books to take? It's maddening. And I can't find anything in the damn boxes.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Sunday, 28 February 2016 11:39 (eight years ago) link

Might take Invisible Cities with me, if I can find it - one of my favourites.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Sunday, 28 February 2016 11:39 (eight years ago) link

no lime tangier, some Cortázar and Bolaño works coming up soon on my list of "books I bought ages ago but still haven't read", so I think we might have very similar reading interests. Definitely recommend Roussel, both Locus Solus and New Impressions of Africa.

I'd never read any James Baldwin before and adored Giovanni's Room, have since picked up some of his non-fiction, so hopefully will get around to that soon.

One book that I did forget to list was Ishmael Reed's Mumbo Jumbo - very sharp Afrofuturist satire with excellent formal elements.

emil.y, Sunday, 28 February 2016 16:36 (eight years ago) link

I've read a couple of bolano's books, and I have 2666 or whatever sitting somewhere if I can find it. Grr.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Sunday, 28 February 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link

hrabal is hilarious

flopson, Sunday, 28 February 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link

He sure is.

I want to read James Baldwin later this year too.

So I finished Pages from the Goncourt Journals. So much in here, even though its very much the chronicle of two people who gave their lives to one thing: literature - partly because that's what they were good at (and not much else; women were such an obsession because they were a mystery - almost alien beings), but also because the stuff they were writing about like Flaubert and Zola was the stuff that 'won'. So while the subject is cult (Lit in general is a minority interest) they display a tabloid-like ear for both dialogue and speculation - people's lives and tribulations. A snatch of conversation that lingers on for long after you've read it. Something from his cousin:

Just imagine: they [the cousin's rural family] are people who for five generations have married for love

But there is are bits indicating a panorama of Paris in the 19th Century: one of the brothers - Jules - dies (at 39) Edmond carries on (3/4 of this is Edmond) and the entries surrounding his brother's death are touching and dignified. The Paris Commune starts up and this is chronicled as engagingly as what he is usually interested in.

But literature is what they gave themselves and there are insights at what the coming century will bring. The feud with Maupassant (his descent into madness and death doesn't stop Edmond from pissing away in his grave, but the charge of Flaubert minus sticks). There are snatches of a hilarious portrait of Mallarme, just this person that is beyond any comprehension. Edmond notes the weirdness of Baudelaire and so on. And then:

I am interested in novels in which I can feel the transcription in print, so to speak, of creatures in flesh and blood, in which I can read a little or a great deal of the memoirs of a life that has been lived

Where so much 20th century fic goes to (and where these Journals have been in although ironically you get a sense the life is often frustrating, in a they-are-rich-but-are-they-happy sorta way)

and regarding novels about high society:

...but unfortunately, to write novels or plays about that world you mustn't belong to it

Which is basically Proust.

I have finished some other things. Margerite Duras - The Vice-Consul. I love her devices for uncovering so much pain, but that whole world of people who went away (in this case to South Asia, where she grew up in) to get away and were lost. Almost dangerous in the wrong mood but the distancing and the drawing of characters who conceal as much as reveal keeps the reader marching on - the timing between both modes is really well done. The films based on this stuff just increase the fascination. Jean Rhys - Voyage in the Dark has sentences so worked over, which is v apt as it mirrors that sense of someone being suffocated, of being unable (and unwilling) to fit in - before outside forces inevitably distort and crush the already fragile sense of self and resistance and search for love and fulfillment. I've read a few of her fictions but also feel I am getting just started with Rhys. It takes time. Finally Han Kang - Human Acts. I loved The Vegetarian, where resistance and opposition was dramatised as a simple dietary switch. Here this is a lot more full-on, this time its a journalistic novel surrounding the repression of student uprisings in early 80s South Korea by the military government. I get it but also find it kinda stiff, kept thinking to my earlier read of Alexiviech's Voice of Chernobyl, how she is able to set and let oppressed voices fly away and speak and simply be whatever they are able to be at that time. Something I need to reflect more on.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 February 2016 00:02 (eight years ago) link

Wow--loved 'The Vegetarian', didn't even know she had another book in English. It sounds interesting, even if not fully successful. Is it the same translator as Vegetarian?

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Monday, 29 February 2016 00:40 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I should read more Duras, having loved The Lover, but maybe I haven't because I also found myself thinking that she knew a lot about guys like me. But finally---with most bridges, burned or not, having dissolved---what could words hurt-?

dow, Monday, 29 February 2016 02:25 (eight years ago) link

Also, have any of y'all read Simone de Beauvoir's The Mandarins? What did you think? And what's a good English translation of The Second Sex?

dow, Monday, 29 February 2016 02:34 (eight years ago) link

I've only read the Parshley translation, but according to Toril Moi, both of the available translations of The Second Sex have their problems (the earlier Parshley version is significantly abridged, while the newer version by Borde and Malovany-Chevallier is sometimes stilted and inaccurate): http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n03/toril-moi/the-adulteress-wife

one way street, Monday, 29 February 2016 04:07 (eight years ago) link

han kang sounds like someone i need to read

i have been reading the wake. the novel in invented anglo saxon from a year or two ago, not the other thing

also eve babitz's memoir, which was delightful

renata adler's selected journalism or essays or whatever they called it, which as a collection was terribly organized (though i guess ... they had what they had) despite some fantastic writing. though the first couple pieces, the civil rights one and the israel one, seem ... curiously naive (or, possibly, so arch i'd totally failed to parse it); i'd put it down in frustation at those but the national guard and g. gordon liddy stuff was fantastic. i don't know if i needed 200 pages of jeremiads against the supreme court and the new york times, but they certainly weren't bad --

what else. zuleika dobson, re which: i am adopting a policy: if anyone tells you they think this book is not terrible, never trust them again

carly rae jetson (thomp), Monday, 29 February 2016 09:52 (eight years ago) link

Wow--loved 'The Vegetarian', didn't even know she had another book in English. It sounds interesting, even if not fully successful. Is it the same translator as Vegetarian?

― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Monday, 29 February 2016 00:40 (9 hours ago) Permalink

Yes. Deborah Smith has started a press for fictions from the South Asia as well:

http://tiltedaxispress.com/

And I think she is doing a new book by Bae Suah too.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 February 2016 10:35 (eight years ago) link

xposts: thanks for the roussel recommendations, emil.y... the little i know about his work comes via robbe-grillet's short essay and reading somewhere or other about the surrealists' early appreciation of him.

no lime tangier, Monday, 29 February 2016 10:55 (eight years ago) link

Knausgaard's comment above about death relating to the ground seemed not that ridiculous to me, on the face of it. But I haven't read his books and thus can't understand what he does or why, yet.

it was the ambiguity of his speculation about why this is that i found ridiculous, though i don't expect you to read posts.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Monday, 29 February 2016 11:38 (eight years ago) link

Speaking of Northanger Abbey, I'm reading Frances Burney's Evelina.

Many similarities to Austen, although she seems to drag us even deeper into the madness, the rules upon rules of good manners, of language, interpreting meaning based on slight nods, shifts, having to live with snobs and fops of the most vapid kind who use and abuse these rules. Not to say it's an always subtle dance - the intensity with which the men of the book harass our heroine is something else - observing her fighting off one suitor after another is great fun, but also surprisingly violent. She paints a picture of a society where male sexual aggression taking even threatening physical form is the norm - in 'quality' upper class company. Of course she falls in love with the only guy in the book who isn't up in her face.

The book can be hysterically funny. What she definitely shares with Austen is the ability to make crystallized weapons out of sentences and build up to the most vivid descriptions of idiocy.

Great stuff.

abcfsk, Monday, 29 February 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link

Also a sweet peek into the fashionable London of the late 1700s with all its gardens and venues of entertainment.

abcfsk, Monday, 29 February 2016 17:58 (eight years ago) link

When the curtain dropt they all rejoiced.

"How do you like it?"-and "How do you like it?" passed from one to another with looks of the utmost contempt. "As for me," said Mr. Branghton, "they've caught me once; but if ever they do again, I'll give 'em leave to sing me to Bedlam for my pains: for such a heap of stuff never did I hear: there isn't one ounce of sense in the whole opera, nothing but one continued squeaking and squalling from beginning to end."

"If I had been in the pit," said Madame Duval, "I should have liked it vastly, for music is my passion; but sitting in such a place as this, is quite unbearable."

Miss Branghton, looking at me, declared, that she was not genteel enough to admire it.

Miss Polly confessed, that, if they would but sing English, she would like it very well.

The brother wished he could raise a riot in the house, because then he might get his money again.

And, finally, they all agreed that it was monstrous dear.

abcfsk, Monday, 29 February 2016 18:05 (eight years ago) link

evelina is a fantastic novel. captain mirvan's incessant trolling of lovel is a++.

adam, Monday, 29 February 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link

And of course the only-sometimes innocent Evelina was "compelled to laugh" at his dirtiest trick.

abcfsk, Monday, 29 February 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link

yes, i love Evelina. that's the only Burney I've read.

horseshoe, Monday, 29 February 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link

I've got her journals and letters lined up next, but itching to read the next novel.

abcfsk, Monday, 29 February 2016 19:29 (eight years ago) link

xposts: thanks for the roussel recommendations, emil.y... the little i know about his work comes via robbe-grillet's short essay and reading somewhere or other about the surrealists' early appreciation of him.

― no lime tangier, Monday, February 29, 2016 10:55 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If that's the guy I think it is I have a biography of him somewhere I bought a few years ago that I never read.
Isn't he the mega rich guy who supposedly travelled the world on a cruise ship but never left his cabin.

Stevolende, Monday, 29 February 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link

Made me think of l ron hubbard rather than roussel!

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 03:00 (eight years ago) link

reading some good stuff

updike - of the farm
rupinder gill - on the outside looking indian
greg Jackson - prodigals

johnny crunch, Friday, 4 March 2016 15:49 (eight years ago) link

i always argue with a specific friend of mine about patents/ip law even though none of us know anything about is aside from intuition and folk anecdata (someone patented the peanut butter sandwich, etc) so i bought 3 books on patents/innovation policy and we're gonna cycle read them. i'm starting with the first

james bessen and michael j meurer - patent failure
- pro patents in theory but critical of practice especially since 90s when patent litigation has exploded. very empirical focus

michele boldrin and daniel k levine - against intellectual monopoly
true to their thesis this book is available for free download on their website http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/general/intellectual/against.htm

mariana mazzucato - the entrepreneurial state
less directly related to patents but more generally about the positive role of the state in innovation (internet, us gov actually made a profit off solyndra, etc etc)

flopson, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:08 (eight years ago) link

Currently reading the lovely pocket-sized Pushkin Press translation of Un beau ténébreux by Julien Gracq, a writer with whom I was not previously familiar. Very lyrical & beautifully written novels set at beach resorts are not typically my thing, but this one is scratching an itch for me...

bernard snowy, Friday, 4 March 2016 18:36 (eight years ago) link

When we read Evelina in my 18th century lit course twenty years ago the class liked it more than any Austen.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link

xp (I say "not typically my thing" because the opening chapters of one of my very favorite novels, Thomas l'obscur, could almost be read as a parody of the tendency observed in Gracq & others)

bernard snowy, Friday, 4 March 2016 19:28 (eight years ago) link

February was so dismal for reading. I couldn't concentrate on anything. This was after getting through about seven books in January. In the last couple days I've read some Edgar Allen Poe and Georges Simenon and this seems to be working.

jmm, Friday, 4 March 2016 20:35 (eight years ago) link

In a "Ask Greil" response on greilmarcus.net, GM mentions some novels:

02/15/16
...Jonathan Lethem’s You Don’t Love Me Yet, the best rock-band novel, even though in the course of the book they barely perform. Dana Spiotta’s Eat the Document, about the sixties as a teenage boy’s blessing or curse decades after the fact. People swooned over Lauren Groff’s ginned-up, unbelievable-from-either-side Fates and Furies—or felt they had to, as the incandescent, uncanny Arcadia was ignored. It’s one of the great excavations of hidden American history in fictional form and a story where absolutely nothing is predictable.

dow, Saturday, 5 March 2016 00:27 (eight years ago) link

GM OMT--You Don't Love Me Yet is underrated.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Saturday, 5 March 2016 04:01 (eight years ago) link

Sounds interesting.

Review of the latest Dan Spiotta book led me to the link i posted here: Luna

Jesperson, I think we're lost (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 5 March 2016 04:05 (eight years ago) link

Recently:

 Johnson, Alaya Dawn: A Guide to the Fruits of Hawai’I (Novella) - award-nominated SF vampire/human power relationships exploration; not bad
 Bertino, Marie-Helene: Safe as Houses {Stories) - really good short stories, with a lot of surreal elements
 Rosenkrantz, Linda: My Life as a List (Memoir) - from the woman who did 'Talk', as recently NYRB-resurrected; brief, charming memoir of being a Jewish kid in the Bronx in WW2, occasionally suspecting her mother was a spy for Hitler
 Joseph, Paterson: Sancho: An Act of Remembrance (Play) - really good monologue about the life of the slave-born multi-talented composer/writer/actor who was friends with/championed by, among others, Laurence Sterne and Samuel Johnson, among others
 Scholz, Carter: Radiance (Novel) - sole solo novel by new ILB favourite, really good and grim, office politics in the nuclear war industry during the time of Reagan/Bush 1's SDI frolic

Please forgive wanky formatting, have c&p-ed from a list I'm trying to keep to remember what I've read at the end of the year

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Saturday, 5 March 2016 07:04 (eight years ago) link

it's frustrating to me that they look like tickboxes

carly rae jetson (thomp), Saturday, 5 March 2016 09:53 (eight years ago) link

Just finished October in 1966 by Jon Savage. Pretty interesting really.

Just had Sid get arrested for the Death of Nancy in Inside the Dream Palace.

& Ivo has sold 4AD in Facing The Other Way

Stevolende, Saturday, 5 March 2016 10:46 (eight years ago) link

There's not much point in making brief commendatory comments on a Jane Austen novel, but I finished Northanger Abbey and, of course, it is chock full of small perfections and excellences.

I did find it a shame that Austen put her normally level-headed heroine through several pages of acting like a ninny, merely to score some editorial points against Gothic romances. It would have been a better novel if she'd omitted that minor piece of it, as it was superfluous to the plot and pulled her main character out of character.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 5 March 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link

JUst found taht my local remainder/2nd hand bookshop has got a range of Michael Moorcok books from 2 years back in these include anthologies of several of his characters including a Jerry Cornelius short fiction thing which I'll go back for. But I just bought a copy of THe Nomad of Time.
THink i'll be back for several others,
Maybe this should have gone more in the recent purchases thread cos it might takle me a while to actually read these.

After I finish the 4AD history I'll probably get back into the copy of Stoned2 by Andrew Loog Oldham I started before Xmas. BUt I have been meaning to read more Moorcock for a while. Though do wish I had got through more of him in my teens or 20s.

Stevolende, Saturday, 5 March 2016 19:28 (eight years ago) link

rupinder gill - on the outside looking indian

This title is catnip to my poor undiscriminating pun-loving heart, how does the book measure up?

I don't know, Catherine Morland is pretty naive and silly throughout the book. Are you referring to her morbid suspicions at the Abbey? Because for someone ignorant about the motivations of more or less everyone she meets I wouldn't say it's all that out of character. And it does drive home the point of the novel.

abcfsk, Saturday, 5 March 2016 20:37 (eight years ago) link

xp its really cute. have only read abt half so far. its a memoir abt sortof having a second adolescence after feeling stifled in her youth by her traditional indian parents

johnny crunch, Saturday, 5 March 2016 20:40 (eight years ago) link

Catherine Morland's innocence and naivety is obvious on every page of Northanger Abbey, but these do not equate with empty-headed silliness. Her strange fantasies about General Tilney's faking his wife's death and burying a weighted coffin, then secretly keeping his wife in a dungeon and feeding her at midnight after the servants and his children were in bed, so that no one would know she was still alive - these do not reflect her normal trusting outlook and goodness of heart. Instead, she's briefly transformed into an over-excitable silly goose, which she has shown no propensity toward beforehand.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 6 March 2016 01:29 (eight years ago) link

People get the strangest ideas in the dark! It's not the most believable turn of event, but I just thought it funny. And I do think there's a point to it, and to having a climax of sort to her reading induced fantasies.

I moved on from Burney's Evelina to her journals and letters:

Mr. Stephen Fuller, the sensible, but deaf old gentleman I have formerly mentioned, dined here also; as did Mr. Rose, whose trite, settled, tonish emptiness of discourse is a never-failing source of laughter and diversion.

"Well, I say, what, Miss Burney, so you had a very good party last Tuesday?—what we call the family party—in that sort of way? Pray who had you?"
"Mr. Chamier."
"Mr. Chamier, ay? Give me leave to tell you, Miss Burney, that Mr. Chamier is what we call a very sensible man!"
"Certainly. And Mr. Pepys."
"Mr. Pepys? Ay, very good— very good in that sort of way. I am quite sorry I could not be here; but I was so much indisposed—quite what we call the nursing party."
"I'm very sorry; but I hope little Sharp is well?
"Ma'am, your most humble! you're a very good lady, indeed!—quite what we call a good lady! Little Sharp is perfectly well: that sort of attention, and things of that sort,—-the bow-wow system is very well. But pray, Miss Burney, give me leave to ask, in that sort of way, had you anybody else?"
"Yes, Lady Ladd and Mr. Seward."
"So, so!—quite the family system! Give me leave to tell you, Miss Burney, this commands attention!—what we call a respectable invitation! I am sorry I could not come, indeed; for we young men, Miss Burney, we make it what we call a sort of rule to take notice of this sort of attention. But I was extremely indisposed, indeed—what we call the walnut system had quite—-Pray what's the news, Miss Burney?—in that sort of way, is there any news?"
"None, that I have heard. Have you heard any?"
"Why, very bad! very bad, indeed!—quite what we call poor old England! I was told, in town,—fact—fact, I assure you— that these Dons intend us an invasion this very month, they and the Monsieurs intend us the respectable salute this very month;—the powder system, in that sort of way! Give me leave to tell you, Miss Burney, this is what we call a disagreeable visit, in that sort of way."
I think, if possible, his language looks more absurd upon paper even than it sounds in conversation, from the perpetual recurrence of the same words and expressions—

abcfsk, Sunday, 6 March 2016 07:56 (eight years ago) link

Margerite Duras - Summer Rain
Cesare Pavese - Told in Confidence and Other Stories
Ann Quin - Passages

The Duras has her main theme (a love ravaged) in among an immigrant family on welfare in a 'sink estate' and that aspect doesn't quite come off (although I'll have to reflect on this a bit more - maybe I am not used to Duras really depicting this in her fiction). The scenes between the family and teacher had its comic moments. The Pavese is a bunch of short stories - 'Nudism' has his masterful descriptions of nature and those windows into an eroticism I hadn't quite seen as clearly. Ann Quin had a renewal theme - from a love that is frustrated and never quite comes through - that could be fruitful to read alongside someone like Jean Rhys, Duras or Pavese - except the former is so much more elliptical. They all talk about what is essential.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 6 March 2016 12:57 (eight years ago) link

I'm really curious about that Ann Quin novel; I've only read Three, which was troubling, and vivid in a claustrophobic way.

one way street, Sunday, 6 March 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link

I think Three might be my favourite, but Passages is possibly her most accomplished. (Lots of qualifiers there, ha.)

emil.y, Sunday, 6 March 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link

Read Three such a long time ago, can't remember a thing about it

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 March 2016 08:48 (eight years ago) link

I am now reading Fathers and Sons, Turgenev, in the Rosemary Edmonds translation published by Penguin Classics in 1965. Very readable so far. I will be interested to see how Turgenev describes his main "nihilist" character, compared to how Dostoevsky would frame such a character: as a craven, fiery-eyed monster.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 17:42 (eight years ago) link

I finished The First Bad Man by Miranda July. It was pretty consistently enjoyable, often quite funny and ended up packing an emotional punch (especially applicable to any parents out there). Probably the best part was the relationship between Clee and Cheryl, though I don't want to ruin it with spoilers. I think July's fearlessness as a writer is both a blessing and a curse, but more often a blessing. Some of the overtly wacky California stuff, like the color therapist, seemed kind of superfluous to me.

o. nate, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 03:04 (eight years ago) link

Started reading London the Biography by Peter Ackroyd. Been meaning to for years, probably decades. Bought it for a nominal price plus p+p last year and it's been sitting there.
But will be interesting I think.

Also gone back to Stoned2 after finishing the 4AD bio.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 09:58 (eight years ago) link

When we read Evelina in my 18th century lit course twenty years ago the class liked it more than any Austen.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, March 4, 2016 1:40 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

shaking my fist

horseshoe, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 12:45 (eight years ago) link

rereading Pride and Prejudice bc i'm teaching it. it's pretty dece.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 12:46 (eight years ago) link

i've never taught Austen before. try to imagine how annoyed by me my students are lately.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 12:47 (eight years ago) link

Richard Wright, Black Boy
Dionne Brand, What We All Long For
Marjane Satrapi, Persepolis
Thomas King, Truth and Bright Water

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 14:02 (eight years ago) link

i got new(ish) penguin classics eds of:

clark ashton smith
algernon blackwood
arthur machen

and i have to say, the opening of the story s.t. joshi chose to open the smith with does not fill me with excitement about descending this particular rabbit hole:

"I, Satampra Zeiros of Uzuldaroum, shall write with my left hand, since I have no longer any other, the tale of everything that befell Tirouv Ompallios and myself in the shrine of the god Tsathoggua ..."

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 10 March 2016 09:46 (eight years ago) link

That Machen anthology is a bit odd too, in that it doesn't include The Great God Pan

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 10 March 2016 10:29 (eight years ago) link

Is that Penguin Classics the White people and other Weird stories one?

Stevolende, Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:14 (eight years ago) link

if you find a good opium dealer you will be all set with those books.

scott seward, Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link

how do you think one pronounces the name 'tirouv'. 'terry'?

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 10 March 2016 22:26 (eight years ago) link

stevolende, yes it is. aw fuck they're ALL s t joshi. gughghghgh

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 10 March 2016 22:27 (eight years ago) link

AMEN to o. nate's take on Miranda July's The First Bad Man.

dow, Thursday, 10 March 2016 23:10 (eight years ago) link

Really liked this Rivka Galchen essay The Only Thing I Envy Men in the New Yorker, part of a longer essay Little Labors coming out later this year.

When I discovered how brilliant Muriel Spark’s novels were—they also were mostly out of print when I found them—I did feel a bit of fury, an emotion I nearly always deny myself, but that was that. (My daughter’s middle name is Spark.) And yet I had never envied men their literary place, and I still don’t, and I had never envied men much of anything, ever … until very recently. I now envy men, but for just one thing.

Fizzles, Friday, 11 March 2016 09:44 (eight years ago) link

I found this over on Twitter. I RTed off Helen Dewitt who seemed chuffed by the mention of The Last Samurai

xyzzzz__, Friday, 11 March 2016 09:56 (eight years ago) link

When on earth was Muriel Spark out of print? the mind boggles.

carly rae jetson (thomp), Friday, 11 March 2016 10:00 (eight years ago) link

aw fuck they're ALL s t joshi. gughghghgh

Do all the introductions say how (x) is pretty good but not quite up to the level of lovecraft?

technically tom (ledge), Friday, 11 March 2016 10:20 (eight years ago) link

xp
I think quite a lot of her stuff was oop till quite recently - like The Bachelors has just come back out, but I can't remember seeing it in bookshops ever (outside those odd 90s omnibus volumes), ditto The Public Image. Don't know if I've ever seen a new copy of Robinson on shelves. Usually, Girls/Prime/Ballad and a changing cast of three or four others were all I'd see new (2nd hand totally different, obviously).

woof, Friday, 11 March 2016 13:07 (eight years ago) link

rivka galchen is great

johnny crunch, Friday, 11 March 2016 13:33 (eight years ago) link

reading the Penguin edition of Thomas Ligotti stories -- I started last night with "The Last Feast of the Harlequin", which was gripping (if ultimately disappointing)

bernard snowy, Friday, 11 March 2016 14:03 (eight years ago) link

Perhaps my experience is slightly skewed by living in Scotland, but I see quite a lot of secondhand Spark out and about (tho' yes, Public Image and Robinson are nowhere near as common as her best-known trio - Prime in partic is everywhere)

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Friday, 11 March 2016 14:08 (eight years ago) link

i bought a lot of new trade paperback spark editions in the late 80's. they had a bunch with similar covers/designs back then. had to dig in 2nd hand stores for some of the more oddball 70's ones.

scott seward, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:13 (eight years ago) link

in the u.s. obviously.

scott seward, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:13 (eight years ago) link

speaking of the new yorker, i tried to read a recent don delillo story in there and zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....didn't make it.

scott seward, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:15 (eight years ago) link

i have to remember to never ever do this again:

"and their odd obscurity, seemed to cluster around . . . something."

it's fine, really. just remind me not to do that if i do that.

scott seward, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link

it is a little weird that a 25 year old writer in 2001 would be "clumsily seeking out books by women". like it was hard to find good ones?

scott seward, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:29 (eight years ago) link

i wish that thing had been about muriel spark. i could read about her all day long.

scott seward, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:41 (eight years ago) link

No, it isn't hard once you get started, but when you have 'lofty' ideas of literature, it can seem as though the world of Proper Literature and High Art and Experiment solely belongs to men, with perhaps the exception of Woolf, though she's not as good as Joyce anyway (am reframing my thoughts as a teen here, feel free to mock that attitude but it was what I was socialised into). I don't think I discovered Quin and Lispector and Sarraute &c &c until I was around 25ish.

emil.y, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:51 (eight years ago) link

that makes sense. it's terrible though! women rule.

scott seward, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:55 (eight years ago) link

i would also never mock anyone's teenage attitude. i feel like i've been preaching the gospel about my fave women writers for so long i forget sometimes that they are not household names.

scott seward, Friday, 11 March 2016 21:57 (eight years ago) link

i think katherine anne porter was a real teen epiphany for me. and willa cather. and katherine mansfield. i am glad i found them early. most of my reading back then was olde tyme american dude stuff like sinclair lewis and thomas wolfe and stuff like that. dreiser. stuff i would never read now but i would totally read porter, mansfield, and cather in a heartbeat now! they live with me. dreiser not so much.

scott seward, Friday, 11 March 2016 22:02 (eight years ago) link

But the way Dreiser wrote about women, Sister Carrie and Jenny Gerhardt based in part on the lives of his older sisters I think, making their ways through A Man's World, in rough new-money Chicago and New York--that's as far as I've gotten, but sure am glad I read those.
Yeah, Ferrante's said that 19th Century male authors were her first literary heroes, took her a while to check out Eliot etc. Not at all like The Neapolitan Novels' little Lenu and Lila getting into Little Women so early.
The first female writers I can remember being impressed by: some of the few then extant in science fiction mags/collections, like Margaret St. Clair, and, a few years later, the poet Denise Levertov, in the crucially good-and-available mass paperback literary mag, New American Review---which also sometimes incl. Ellen Willis on political events/issues, like the head-clearing "Lessons of Chicago," though of course I knew her more as a rock critic, one of the first, still in the New Yorker then.

dow, Friday, 11 March 2016 22:30 (eight years ago) link

are there any good books by men but

cozen, Friday, 11 March 2016 22:49 (eight years ago) link

i also could not finish that recent delillo story

johnny crunch, Friday, 11 March 2016 23:00 (eight years ago) link

okay, i'm totally remembering now that i did a book report in front of my english class in high school on ayn rand and i'm cringing a little.

scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 01:40 (eight years ago) link

and i'm also remembering that 99% of the books we read for class in school were by men.

scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 01:43 (eight years ago) link

need to know more about this book report tbh

mookieproof, Saturday, 12 March 2016 01:58 (eight years ago) link

ugh, it's embarrassing. a youthful infatuation with the fountainhead. the really embarrassing part was my teacher had to correct me when i said ayn wrong. i pronounced it Ann. still not as embarrassing as the report on heroin that i gave in my american studies class where i turned off all the lights and played "heroin" by the velvet underground on a boombox. the 80's were rough.

scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 02:02 (eight years ago) link

Getting to listen to "Heroin" in high school >>>>>>>>> reading Rand

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Saturday, 12 March 2016 02:03 (eight years ago) link

only 25 people heard that heroin report, but they all bought boomboxes

mookieproof, Saturday, 12 March 2016 02:28 (eight years ago) link

I feel like your teacher didn't really have to correct you. That was on them.

on the pressing issue of the in-print status of Muriel Spark: a quick GIS gives what at a glance are 70s, 80s, and 00s penguin editions; possibly there was an interval in the 90s when her fifth or sixth best novel was criminally unavailable, sure

but this is entirely beside the point of the article, really, and I apologize for the derail

carly rae jetson (thomp), Saturday, 12 March 2016 02:35 (eight years ago) link

Sorry the above GIS was for woof's test case of 'the bachelors'. results more ambiguous for 'public image'.

carly rae jetson (thomp), Saturday, 12 March 2016 02:36 (eight years ago) link

still not as embarrassing as the report on heroin that i gave in my american studies class where i turned off all the lights and played "heroin" by the velvet underground on a boombox.

This is not embarrassing, this is awesome. Ayn Rand, however...

emil.y, Saturday, 12 March 2016 02:38 (eight years ago) link

these are the ones i bought originally:

http://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9780380715701-us-300.jpg

scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 03:09 (eight years ago) link

same artist did all the covers, i think.

scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 03:09 (eight years ago) link

i have more but they don't fit on my antique elephant spark shelf.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12802845_1568892823424364_717876855892152915_n.jpg?oh=2dc21fc57ae2c7eac61d51f812a21e67&oe=578F5573

scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 03:19 (eight years ago) link

still haven't read the mary shelley book but i will someday.

scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 03:21 (eight years ago) link

Is Don Quixote worth a read? Im intimidated by the size of it

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Saturday, 12 March 2016 23:42 (eight years ago) link

Yes, yes, definitely yes.

emil.y, Saturday, 12 March 2016 23:59 (eight years ago) link

It is frequently fun, though at times the sadness wracked me, and it GETS META.

emil.y, Sunday, 13 March 2016 00:00 (eight years ago) link

You know you like an author when you have multiple copies of the same book, just because you can't stop yourself from buying another one. I saw two copies each of Symposium, Loitering with Intent, The Comforters, Collected Stories, and Mandelbaum Gate in that line-up.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 13 March 2016 00:56 (eight years ago) link

Spark is amazing -- when she's good she feels like the most quietly assured novelist of the postwar period.

As for "women" wriers, it's no surprise that Willa Cather is never given the same emphasis as Faulkner-Hemingway-Fitzgerald when she's them most skilled novelist of the bunch.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 March 2016 01:04 (eight years ago) link

I get it: Fitzgerald and Hemingway are men, and they wrote good stories, and I learned a lot from them, but A Lost Lady and The Professor's House are better executed than anything they published longform.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 March 2016 01:09 (eight years ago) link

Spark's shelley book is really good, and really focuses onher 2 SF novels in particular, which I enjoyed alot. Its divided in2 halves, one the life and one the litcrit

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Sunday, 13 March 2016 06:55 (eight years ago) link

the really embarrassing part was my teacher had to correct me when i said ayn wrong. i pronounced it Ann.

what's embarrassing here is that you've since bothered to learn

willa cather really, really great, yeah. the best thing the nerd-competition extracurricular i did senior year of high school gave me was impetus to read death comes for the archbishop twice in a day.

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 13 March 2016 06:59 (eight years ago) link

was in my hometown's single remaining bookstore the other day and the girl who works there said someone had just been in yelling at her about not having ayn rand, and i was like uh you have too much ayn rand, you literally have four copies of anthem alone, not to mention the collected letters i already bought from you for safekeeping and the biography i want to read but which you've priced at $17 presumably to repel unworthies like me, and she said yeah but he was looking in the philosophy section, and we loled and loled

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 13 March 2016 07:07 (eight years ago) link

And now I am lolling hard at this.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 13 March 2016 07:26 (eight years ago) link

did she give you a discount on the biography

carly rae jetson (thomp), Sunday, 13 March 2016 08:01 (eight years ago) link

so far on my late-victorian 'weird' penguin classics set i'd say: man, arthur machen is a much better writer than clark ashton smith. surprising no one

carly rae jetson (thomp), Sunday, 13 March 2016 08:02 (eight years ago) link

Mairtin O Cadhain - The Dirty Dust. Maybe the first time in a long while I've read something where the culture of talk is rendered like this (the equivalent might be in passages of Davies' Distant Voices, Still Lives, and there is a film of this). It has quite a few tidbits (and everything is fragmented by this multitude of voice) on Hitler and a fervent nationalism (O Cadhain was a former member of the IRA). I wanted to quote a partic bit that was so Celine-like but I had to return the bk back to the library. Also every chapter does have a page or two of 'literature', which I can see as both pisstake but also really good.

Something tells me that English isn't able to cope with the mass of insults in this book. I think a 'free' translation might've worked better. Glad its around even if it hasn't worked.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 13 March 2016 08:45 (eight years ago) link

xp And then read The Female Quixote

abcfsk, Sunday, 13 March 2016 09:22 (eight years ago) link

just bought my first muriel spark, actually. driver's seat. i'm doing a writing class at the moment and the teacher picked an excerpt. i really liked the repeated "she is neither good-looking nor bad-looking". pretty hard-hitting even as it is subtle.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 13 March 2016 11:13 (eight years ago) link

i don't even remember that! so much in those books.

carly rae jetson (thomp), Sunday, 13 March 2016 12:10 (eight years ago) link

it felt a really incisive and artful way of reminding me i'm a man.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 13 March 2016 12:13 (eight years ago) link

Been reading a lot of Muriel Spark recently - devoured A Far Cry from Kensington and the Abbess of Crewe in the last week, and I'm just starting on The Bachelors.

There's a copy of her autobiography in the library as well - should I wait till I've read most of the others or does it matter? Don't know if there's much about the books and the process of writing in it or if its more general.

.robin., Sunday, 13 March 2016 12:58 (eight years ago) link

it mostly (entirely?) covers pre-success years; it's not all that interesting, tbh; i read it on a train journey and remember remarkably little. it's frank without being at all revealing.

carly rae jetson (thomp), Sunday, 13 March 2016 13:06 (eight years ago) link

i think kensington and the other couple of late novels with a 50s/60s london setting and a female protagonist at the pre-beginnings of a literary career perhaps tell you more about that moment of her life than do the autobio? idk. which one is kensington, anyway, is it the one with the 'pisseur du copie' bit?

carly rae jetson (thomp), Sunday, 13 March 2016 13:08 (eight years ago) link

Aiding and Abetting is a delight and easily finished in an afternoon.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 March 2016 13:31 (eight years ago) link

Yeah Kensington is the 'pisseur du copie' one!

.robin., Monday, 14 March 2016 00:15 (eight years ago) link

loved that bit

carly rae jetson (thomp), Monday, 14 March 2016 01:00 (eight years ago) link

i need to do a re-read of her books. well, not all of them, but there are a bunch i haven't read in years. and i am older now and my memory is terrible so they will be all new to me.

scott seward, Monday, 14 March 2016 02:31 (eight years ago) link

i'm at the point i was at with philip k dick in my early twenties where my ideas about the late vs early styles are falling apart because i can't remember what happens in what anymore

carly rae jetson (thomp), Monday, 14 March 2016 08:14 (eight years ago) link

At Lady Molly's - Anthony Powell

The Ern Malley Affair - Michael Heyward

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Monday, 14 March 2016 09:58 (eight years ago) link

Now reading Joan Didion's The Last Thing He Wanted. It is interesting, but after 60 or so pages the elaborately constructed artifice of the narrative voice is wearing on me. She knows how to convey the particular sort of hesitation involved with simultaneously confronting and wishing to evade the story one is telling, but she is so committed to that narrative tic that it is a bit of a 'one note samba'.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 14 March 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link

Wolfgang Hilbig - Sleep of the Righteous. Probably the best writer I found in the last six months. On the surface this is a book about the East German Stasi, but it delays any plot until the end (and its a short book), instead concerning itself with some of the most toxic moods and environments that I've not seen drawn this vividly for a long time.

I really want to get I but its a hardback available for nearly 20 quid.

Marguerite Duras - Outside. A collection of articles she wrote for the french press from the late 50s till the 80s. Pieces range from the political to interviews w/Bataille and the like. Breezing through for a more rounded portrait than anything else.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 March 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link

as it happens I am reading dusty-dusty. Karamazov. Second attempt, I don't remember why I got bored of it last time around.

thomasintrouble, Monday, 14 March 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link

As she's been mentioned a lot recently, decided to read Muriel Spark's Loitering with Intent, which I hadn't read before and which someone had bought me for Christmas.

Mischievous and immense fun, of course. a book that is literally a sheaf of papers - the novel Fleur Tablot is writing, and the accumulating memoirs of the Autobiographical Association with which the novel becomes interleaved. Life imitating art is a phrase that's overused, I think, and it's kind of unclear what it means a lot of the time. But this book scumbles the line between the two by design and with the aid of a group of weak-minded aristocratic (mainly) grotesques. Its main themes are the writing of life, ie biography, specifically autobiography, and writing itself; this is a book where the business of writing is seen to be done. (This was one of Kinglsey Amis's irritations - writers in books who don't seem to write and are only apparently there to be articulate and have time on their hands - and though that's hardly a distinction, I mention it because I think he makes that observation in a review of another excellent book about death and writing life in art, Elizabeth Taylor's Mrs Palfrey At the Claremont.) But yes, the book's full of how she gets her writing done, the times of day, the business of proofing and writing and typing out, and getting published etc.

It is also obviously autobiographical itself, and it seems likely that the conundrum out of which the book sprang was how to write some of her own autobiography.

The other theme is living itself, specifically the good life (John Henry Newman's Apologia Pro Vita Sua and Renaissance figure Benvenuto Cellini's autobiography are frequently referred to.) Fleur Talbot is observant and not particularly kind, but is interested in people. The members of the Autobiographical Association seem uncertain about what might have been interesting in their own lives. It's required that they're specially selected 'for their weakness and folly' in order that they encourage the introduction of fiction into their lives. Speaking of which, Spark's great at pithy truth bombs:

Well, what I found common to the members of Sir Quentin's remaining group was their weakness of character. To my mind this is no more to be despised than is physical weakness. We are not all born heroes and athletes. At the same time it is elementary wisdom always to fear weaknesses, including one's own; the reactions of the weak, when touched off, can be horrible and sudden.

Oh Christ, I've got to to go to work - you realise once you look just how much there is in her books; there was another thing about people who talk about 'being frank' or 'to be frank' being slap bang in the centre of the book, and how that's contrasted to being interesting about your life - there's a specific bit Fleur says about writing autobiography that puts it well, but I can't find it right now.

Oh and I used the word 'theme' up there though something about her books makes me shy away from the word; they're not so grand, more like a scherzo, though the themes she deals with - Life, death and God are of course themselves as grand as you get, this combination is definitive I think.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 07:53 (eight years ago) link

i hope other people here have read Elizabeth Taylor. Besides me and James. So great. Since Fizzles mentioned her...

scott seward, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 15:37 (eight years ago) link

I have read the other Liz (well, I've read In a Summer Season - "her most sex-infused work", according to Wikipedia - and based on that have several others by her waiting in the pile. Virago in the UK have done a p dece job of keeping her novels in print.)

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 16:00 (eight years ago) link

The other Elisabeth Taylor starred in an adaptation of Spark's Driver's Seat. Found that out a few weeks ago and really want to watch that.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 16:02 (eight years ago) link

Oh Christ, I've got to to go to work - you realise once you look just how much there is in her books

^^^^^ A real inspiration in compression without clottedness: so much substance, yet she really seems to break the 180p mark. A lot of would-be great novelists could learn a lot from her in this area alone.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 01:04 (eight years ago) link

finished nathalie sarraute's the planetarium. this was great, though did find myself having to go back and reread sections to figure out who was actually saying what (not always successfully) as the dialogue even within sentences seemed to switch between different characters.

& now started on michel butor's passing time, set in a dingy northern english manufacturing town.

no lime tangier, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 01:27 (eight years ago) link

Shalamov's Kolyma Tales at the moment. Some beautiful writing and some of the people in his short stories are still finding fleeting moments of beauty and having long internal daydream monologues about nature/poetry and celebrating the occasional petty victory of an "easy day" in an atmosphere where casual cruelty, severe privation and death is the daily norm. They are beautifully crafted stories, but they don't feel like fiction at all, in fact they feel more real than some of the first hand accounts of Gulag life from the archives. Then some of his characters die in a mostly undignified fashion or talk about how they have become ghosts, who are not even sure that their previous life of freedom isn't a work of fiction any more. It is really wonderful stuff.

calzino, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link

Is Don Quixote worth a read? Im intimidated by the size of it

― i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:42 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, yes, definitely yes.

― emil.y, Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:59 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This has started circling my consciousness recently, and I find that somehow books tend to float to the surface when I'm 'ready' to read them (probably the subconscious arrangement of overheard literary flotsam rather than divine providence...probably). There's usually a grouping of things on the same theme on these occasions. Anyway, yes. I think it's time.

Recently finished [Pedro Páramo] by Juan Rulfo, which was astonishing. It's a tiny masterpiece. Such incisive character observations...you get some 70 searing insights into inhabitants of a forgotten Mexican town and all within the space of about 120 pages. Such inventive narrative devices employed too... Oh and it is the embodiment of perfect surrealism. Currently treating myself to Bolaño's Woes of the True Policeman, which I need longer to process, but needless to say the labyrinth has both deepened and revealed more of itself. It's so hilarious too.

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 22:00 (eight years ago) link

Oh! Pedro Páramo should have been in italics...not its own bracketed format. Though that would be nice.

[pedroparamo]A horse can be heard circling ILX, but no one can see it[/pedroparamo] (and this is emitted as a mist from the screen)

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link

i recommend don quijote to everyone, it's not daunting or difficult, frequently funny, playful and meta.

uncle tenderlegdrop (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 22:09 (eight years ago) link

I keep looking for the vol. of Rulfo's short stories.

Shalamov's Kolyma Tales at the moment.

One for the ages. His poetry was one of the major discoveries of last year.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 23:18 (eight years ago) link

reverse order (very little to report): lightning field by dana spiotta; the first bad man by miranda july; america, america by ethan canin

youn, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 23:41 (eight years ago) link

Not his fault, but I always get Ethan Canin and Ethan Hawke mixed up, see his books and go 'This guy's writing is still a thing?'

Yes yes yes to Shalamov's Kolyma Tales. As you calzino says, almost unbearably bleak/sad/cruel at times, but the writing is brilliant.

Just got an advance copy of Cortazar's poems, coming later in the year from City Lights--have only read his fiction, so looking forward to this.

Now on Elizabeth Greenwood: Playing Dead -- a history/investigation of people faking their own deaths, and how/why one might go about it. The prose is very mid-level magaziney, but the subject is so interesting that I mostly don't mind.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 17 March 2016 01:37 (eight years ago) link

I liked Mr. Metarey and the explanation for the thrift and economy of WASPs, and the very act of not throwing things away but letting man-made things and labor also have an organic life. And the father and the mostly mute neighbor who moves rocks.

youn, Thursday, 17 March 2016 23:22 (eight years ago) link

Should I persist with The Kitchen God's Wife? It was lying around the house and I picked it up in an idle moment but I'm not really into that kind of intergenerational guilty secrets potboiling family drama.

ledge, Friday, 18 March 2016 10:13 (eight years ago) link

Yesterday+Wednesday, I read the first half of John Banville's The Sea. The passage where the narrator moves from recollecting his childhood imagination of adult life, through the history of the 1920/1930s as he finds it reflected there, into the story of his wife's life as he knows it -- really powerful, haunting stuff

bernard snowy, Friday, 18 March 2016 12:27 (eight years ago) link

I should give that a go again, definitely my favourite of the two booker prize winning novels whose titles start with 'The Sea'. I am a Banville fan but I tried 'The Untouchable' last year and the narrator was such a douche I just couldn't enjoy it. Curiously I had the same problem with the other booker prize winning novel whose title starts with 'The Sea', but I managed to finish that at least.

ledge, Friday, 18 March 2016 14:47 (eight years ago) link

As much as I love ornate prose, Banville often reads like a parody of orotund expression. I still recommend The Untouchable though -- the concise British version of Harlot's Ghost.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 March 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, Banville over-writes. I will say "The Book of Evidence" is a good read though.

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Friday, 18 March 2016 18:47 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, The Sea, might try some more. How are the mystery novels? Wondering about the Banville in his pseudonym's approach to genre.

dow, Friday, 18 March 2016 19:45 (eight years ago) link

The mystery novels are dour and a bit dull. I really rate The Untouchable, Book of Evidence and the Revoltions trilogy.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Friday, 18 March 2016 23:49 (eight years ago) link

never been tempted to read him. have looked in his books. put them down.

scott seward, Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:12 (eight years ago) link

Likewise. Even the one(s) written under a pen name.

The Very Low Funk Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:35 (eight years ago) link

other people i have never read: a.s. byatt, margaret drabble, maeve binchy, nadine gordimer, iris murdoch, doris lessing.

think i started a few by doris lessing and never finished them. these are just off the top of my head. there are a lot more where that came from!

wait, is the other Sea one the iris murdoch Sea one?

scott seward, Saturday, 19 March 2016 02:15 (eight years ago) link

why don't i read iris murdoch? i'd probably like her.

scott seward, Saturday, 19 March 2016 02:17 (eight years ago) link

you're not actually allowed to read both byatt and drabble. if you do they come round your house to make you pick a side

carly rae jetson (thomp), Saturday, 19 March 2016 02:23 (eight years ago) link

i think i started to read possession and just knew right at the start i was never gonna read it.

scott seward, Saturday, 19 March 2016 02:26 (eight years ago) link

After finishing Didion's The Last Thing He Wanted, which was readable, but a bit of a jumble, I have been reading an obscure H.G. Wells novel forming part of a Collected Works that I purchased for $1.99 for my Kindle, called The War in the Air. (I may be misrembering this and only succeeding in producing a paraphrase of the title.) It shows Wells' characteristic strengths (strongly imagined) and weaknesses (rather trashy and flashy, a bare notch above A Boy's Own Paper).

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 19 March 2016 04:40 (eight years ago) link

Scott, i think you would like Byatt's short stories, maybe Elementals or Little Black book

Drabble's really good: again, though, start with her stories--there was a collected edition a couple of years ago

Iris murdoch not so much. If it wasnt for her husbands industrious airbrushing of her memory, shed already be well out of print. Not very convincing fictions as vehicles for putting across dud philosophical systems.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Saturday, 19 March 2016 07:28 (eight years ago) link

i've been a little stalled with the 2nd ferrante book but its not her fault really i just keep picking up jazz crit and jazz interviews to read and every time i go back to elena those guys are STILL at the beach and i'm beginning to worry that those guys are never going home and are just gonna go swimming for the rest of their lives. i think maybe 20 or 30 less pages of the beach might have been good. it doesn't help that they keep talking about Beckett because then it just reminds me that i always stall out with him too.

scott seward, Saturday, 19 March 2016 15:58 (eight years ago) link

wrt to Gordimer and Lessing you might need more context in terms of the politics of Southern Africa from that time. I really enjoyed both and especially want to read more Lessing this year.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 March 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link

I read Murdoch's The Bell last week, my third Murdoch. Ponderous but worthwhile. I wonder if anyone reads her generally.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 March 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link

i think maybe 20 or 30 less pages of the beach might have been good

yeah that bit dragged for me, don't worry there's plenty of abuse and misery to come.

ledge, Saturday, 19 March 2016 21:42 (eight years ago) link

Kind of stalled myself for a little bit, but have finished the second Brooke-Rose, dipped into some Stein, and am actually just about to go in for some Lessing myself. Another loan from my mum - this time Memoirs of a Survivor, as it was the first Lessing she read (and so it will be mine).

emil.y, Saturday, 19 March 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link

I thought the beach part was fun (also fateful, of course), but then I enjoyed the whole saga. Think EF's got a sly, dark sense of humor. Never read much Lessing set in South Africa, but maybe try The Golden Notebook. Also The Four-Gated City, but only when you're actually craving another long-ass read. She did write several shorter novels, but I haven't read 'em.
Speaking of Murdoch, gave my Professor Emeritus Mom's copy of The Red and the Green the Random Read Test, seemed like it might be okay. Mom? "Not up to Spark." She keeps doing that. " Hey, I finally read 100 Hundred Years of Solitude." "Eh, Borges is better."

dow, Saturday, 19 March 2016 21:58 (eight years ago) link

Hey, I finally read 100 Hundred Years of Solitude." "Eh, Borges is better."

This is a huuuuuuuuuge truth, though.

emil.y, Saturday, 19 March 2016 22:01 (eight years ago) link

jeez mom, it's not a competition

mookieproof, Saturday, 19 March 2016 22:10 (eight years ago) link

They specialised in different trades.

re: Lessing - I talked about Southern Africa not South Africa.

I really want to read The Four-Gated City, but its part of the Children of Violence cycle? Can you read 'em in any order?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 March 2016 22:28 (eight years ago) link

Right, she was from what was then Southern Rhodesia, sorry. I haven't read the previous volumes of Children of Violence, and don't remember that many explicit references to the heroine's life in Africa. It works pretty well as a free-standing novel, starting with her arrival in early 50s London, which is still affected in a lot of ways by WWII, also the early Cold War. Goes on 'til 1997 (published in 1969).

dow, Saturday, 19 March 2016 22:46 (eight years ago) link

They specialised in different trades.

Fair comment. I just remember being intensely disappointed by 100YoS, whereas Borges got hold of me from the first sentence I read and has never let me go.

emil.y, Saturday, 19 March 2016 22:50 (eight years ago) link

yeah it's kind of a dumb comparison no offense to anyone's mom

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Saturday, 19 March 2016 22:58 (eight years ago) link

I think they are quite far apart in what they write/talk about. The writers I group the most w/Marquez are Juan Rulfo and Sabato, perhaps they are the ones whose writing has a similar sensibility to Borges (especially Rulfo) but were approaching what Marquez was going to expand on.

I really love Borges too - and I am disappointed (so far) by people like Bioy and then Schwob (whom people say Borges perhaps aped - well I can see what people mean but Borges improved on it). I am going to eventually get round to Arlt and Ocampo and hope they'll be better. xp

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 March 2016 23:05 (eight years ago) link

She liked Marquez, but got tired of teaching him, never ever got tired of Borges, that's all it seems to come down to. I enjoy them both, but also got hooked on JLB immediately, yes.

dow, Saturday, 19 March 2016 23:14 (eight years ago) link

not read any lessing yet, but have been intending to read briefing for a descent into hell since i was, um, sixteen (also happens to be one of the two books i can identify on the cover of the first fripp & eno record)

no lime tangier, Sunday, 20 March 2016 01:54 (eight years ago) link

I only have an MP3 of that so its a nice detail

She liked Marquez, but got tired of teaching him, never ever got tired of Borges, that's all it seems to come down to. I enjoy them both, but also got hooked on JLB immediately, yes.

― dow, Saturday, March 19, 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That could be an effect of Marquez being shoved in people's faces at the time to provoke a comparison between two of the most famous Latin American authors.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 March 2016 10:29 (eight years ago) link

just bought amy hempel's collection, reasons to live, after reading her paris review interview. anyone read it?

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Sunday, 20 March 2016 10:50 (eight years ago) link

the latest edition of Flashback! the Richard Morton jack edited British psych/prog/jazz/whatever book size magazine. Just read about Mushroom who I'm listening to now and before that Catapilla who I need to listen to again.
Also got Human Beast and Tamam Shud in this issue which I read yesterday and Koobas and Paternoster who I've yet to read.

THink it's about as good as usual and has me wanting to pick up several artists music.
Has me wondering if I should read that book on Psychedelia by Rob Chapman, which gets slagged off majorly in here, for myself to form an opinion about how naff it is (or not) since some other people seem to think it was ok. BUt since it is a pretty thick tome and some of those other critics aren't people I put much stock in I dunno.

After this I have several things potentially lined up, the book on Ponzi and his scheme ios beside the bed as is Julian Cope's 131 which I've seen mixed reviews for.

Bathroom book is currently the Peter Ackroyd biography of London which I've been meaning to read since it came out and I read reviews of it. Pretty interesting so far, think I just started into early middle ages.

& book for transport is the Andrew loog Oldham Stoned2 which is actually more of an oral history with several people's accounts quoted from interview rather than integrated into a straighter narrative. It's been years since I read the first Stoned so I can't remember if that was done in the same way

Stevolende, Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:34 (eight years ago) link

Stevo, on the Rolling Jazz thread, I posted a link to and excerpt of Richard Morton Jack's ancient interview with roving free jazz trumpet player Ric Colbeck.
Back to Iris Murdoch's The Red and the Green: as I said, it passed the Random Read Test, for whatever that's worth, but James Morrison doesn't like her, which makes me wonder. Anybody else read it? Any others worth a search?

dow, Sunday, 20 March 2016 13:43 (eight years ago) link

Starting Don Quixote as of this second. :)

tangenttangent, Sunday, 20 March 2016 15:15 (eight years ago) link

Tbh, ive only read 4 or 5 murdochs, and she wrote a LOT

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Sunday, 20 March 2016 21:23 (eight years ago) link

Starting Don Quixote as of this second. :)

― tangenttangent, Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:15 PM (6 hours ago)

Yeaaaaaaaah. Hope you enjoy it.

emil.y, Sunday, 20 March 2016 21:28 (eight years ago) link

I've been depressed and experimenting with tumblr, so I haven't really been posting much, but I've started Sarah Schulman's riff on "Cousin Bette," "Another Country," and midcentury bigotry, "The Cosmopolitans," as well as Dodie Bellamy's essays in "When the Sick Rule the World" (a few essays in, it seems more focused than "Pink Steam," the only other book of hers I've read), and Octavia Butler's Xenogenesis/Lilith's Brood trilogy with a group of friends (currently starting on "Dawn"). Out of what I've read since posting here last, I've probably been most affected by Mary Gaitskill's "Because They Wanted To" (which I picked up in part because of the discussion here), Schulman's "Stagestruck" (passages from which have been circulating on trans twitter lately because of their relevance to the obstacles trans writers currently face, it's one of the most incisive texts I've read on mainstream representations of the AIDS crisis), Jamie Berrout's formally raw but furious "Incomplete Short Stories and Essays," Ta-nahesi Coates's "Between the World and Me," and Patricia Highsmith's "The Price of Salt."

one way street, Sunday, 20 March 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link

*Ta-Nahesi, I mean

one way street, Sunday, 20 March 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link

*Ta-nehisi, rather!

one way street, Sunday, 20 March 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link

*Ta-Nehisi, even!

Speaking of Sarah Schulman, this Hugh Ryan essay gives a useful overview of her work: https://lareviewofbooks.org/review/my-year-of-sarah-schulman

one way street, Monday, 21 March 2016 06:43 (eight years ago) link

I finished the Banville, thought it was very good. I 100% see where Alfred's parody of orotund expression comes from, but I cut him a lot of slack because 1. It's different when Britishers do it, 2. It felt like an appropriate style for the character, & 3. There were enough significant variations within the style to hold my interest. -- I wasn't really holding the narrator's feet to the fire, but a judicious application of the 'hermeneutics of suspicion' turned up a few points, particularly towards the beginning of the book, where heightened eloquence seemed to be holding at bay a reality he was not yet prepared to face. (!!!! MINOR SPOILER ALERT !!!! -- The defence mechanism breaks down rather pathetically in Part II, leaving one very short paragraph addressed to the dead wife: "You cunt, you fucking cunt, how could you leave me here alone like this" etc etc -- I'm paraphrasing)

bernard snowy, Monday, 21 March 2016 11:22 (eight years ago) link

lol everytime I type "Banville", I have to doublecheck to make sure I don't mean "Bancroft" #britishppl

bernard snowy, Monday, 21 March 2016 11:26 (eight years ago) link

Banville isn't British

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Monday, 21 March 2016 13:55 (eight years ago) link

... So he isn't. Not sure how I got that wrong, given that the one I read was actually set *in* Ireland!

bernard snowy, Monday, 21 March 2016 16:30 (eight years ago) link

finished the butor novel (passing time): palpable sense of the grimy malevolence of the local environs with a heavy emphasis on the topology of the town it's set in, & the plot (or what there was of one) centred on a pseudonymously published green penguin which may (or may not) have been based on a local crime (that may or may not have really been a crime) and the consequences of the author's (perhaps) unintentional exposure by the (unreliable) narrator. fractured time narrative meant my perception of the characters' motivations/actions kept being altered as missing information was incrementally built-up... no real resolution at the end (which may have been the point?)

now starting on a novel from the mid-sixties by one r.c. kenedy annabel fast... seems it's his only published work except for a couple of monographs on (then) contemporary artists.

no lime tangier, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:21 (eight years ago) link

Picked up the novel that The Leftovers tv series is based on.

& Homicide by the Wire creator but may already have it. Only €1 though as was the above.

Also got Jim Goad's Redneck Manifesto which might be interesting. Answer Me was interesting.

Stevolende, Monday, 21 March 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XGNLtS3BL._SX319_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

He's a Belgian psychoanalyst and the book is at its best when dealing in that area and his thoughts on how psychiatry's 'illness model' lets everyone off the hook are enlightening. It can be a bit 'society is in the gutter' at points but it's definitely worth a read.

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link

tangenttangent, who's the translator of yer Don Quixote? I wanna read that too.

dow, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:34 (eight years ago) link

I know you're not asking me, but my version is the Penguin Classics edition by John Rutherford. No idea if it's well-rated or not, but it's the only version I've read and I loved the book, so it obviously works on some levels.

emil.y, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 16:21 (eight years ago) link

edith grossman translation seems to be quite well-rated

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link

All reports welcome, thanks!

dow, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 16:52 (eight years ago) link

Just about done with The War in the Air, H.G. Wells. His propagandistic agenda in this book stands out a mile. It is not quite pacifist, but clearly he wants to scare the bejabbers out of his reader concerning the arms race that was taking place in 1907 (mostly naval, building the dreadnoughts) by projecting the same arms race upon an air war, at a time when powered flight was still far too crude to constitute an effective weapon.

In order to create a sufficiently popular potboiler, Wells builds his story around the adventures of a feckless Cockney lad, who nevertheless shows the necessary British pluck and luck when called upon to fight. But because that gave Wells rather too narrow a canvas on which to paint his picture of the coming apocalypse, he frequently halts the action to expatiate on how air war will lead to the destruction and collapse of civilization - if steps are not taken to create a World Government run by practical-minded (but idealistic!) technocrats. This gives the book a weird duality between his need to tell a ripping tale of derring-do and his powerful urge toward straight up pamphleteering.

It is a curious and illuminating artifact from a particular historical moment, which makes it quite interesting to read, but considered as literature it is puny stuff.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link

the quixote translation i have is by burton raffel, i loved it when i read it but some ppl have criticized it for being a bit too eager to modernize cervantes's style

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link

Hideo Furukawa: Horses, Horses, in the End the Light Remains Pure: A Tale That Begins with Fukushima -- alternately interesting and incredibly frustratingly solipsistic memoir/novel/road trip by a Japanese writer who was born near Fukushima and who travels into the diaster zone in the weeks after the quake/tsunami/reactor explosions

Alan Furst: A Hero of France -- snagged a pre-release ARC, not due out until 31 May, feeling very smug indeed; hits the usual effortless-seeming Furst highs--this one's about a French Resistance chap smuggling downed British airmen into Unoccupied France and over the border into Spain

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 23:27 (eight years ago) link

ambling a bit through good friday so far. didn't get back till late last night, and a slow start to the morning. sat in the garden with a pot of tea and read some yeats, which i took off the shelf because of Easter 1916, but i ended up reading The Wild Swans at Coole Michael Robartes and the Dancer and a couple of others.

forgotten how attractive the "She" in MR&tD is - mischevious and playful.

Then wandered upstairs and collapsed temporarily on the bed, and picked up A Wreath of Roses by Elizabeth Taylor. I had a very nice plain covered second hand hardback of this but can't for the life of me find it, so had to get this copy out of the library. it has an extraordinarily memorable opening, one of the best pieces of writing I've ever read, which wd include *spoilers* if I described it, so I won't, but the perfect opening line is worth quoting:

Afternoons seem unending on branch line stations in England in summer time.

The repeated "in" is just right for the matter. I'd only read the first few pages when i had my old copy, but its exact evocation of atmosphere meant i always thought of it when I'm on an empty country station platform in summer time.

going to read through it all this time.

Fizzles, Friday, 25 March 2016 11:46 (eight years ago) link

Finally got around to reading 2666, abou halfway through. I like it, but one of the reasons I don't watch those crime shows on TV is I find it very upsetting to think about a victims final moments, their loss etc. So this section in the middle catalog using the crimes is very disturbing, and I hadn't expected it. Got the Devils of Loudon to read next - May well be the only Huxley I didn't read as a teenager.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Friday, 25 March 2016 12:55 (eight years ago) link

lots of stuff on the go at the moment

finished denis johnson's jesus' son - loved it. i had read his poetry before. kind of has everything.

still tipping away at lucia berlin's a manual for cleaning women. it's v good.

read the first chapter of horse crazy by gary indiana, for my writing class. i liked it and so i bought the book.

contemplating a start on knausgaard for a week in spain.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Friday, 25 March 2016 13:33 (eight years ago) link

i'm rereading molloy!!

noticing a lot of stuff i barely recall from the past, like molloy's descriptions of like merging with the earth and the plants and the snows

it's odd to read it on kindle, the text loses some of the monumental quality that it has in the grove press edition, it seems much more now like the many european no-paragraph-single-voice-monologue novels. easier too this time around to see how it's easy to read the lines, mostly between commas, as way less deadpan than they can appear to be, but it's still a question of which attitude fits the words, which you kind of have to test out every now and then.

j., Friday, 25 March 2016 17:19 (eight years ago) link

Pavese - Festival Night and Other Stories. Some of these stories have an almost filmic feel where the 2nd reel doesn't run, the world opens up and is suddenly cut-off. Its a tough sensibility to describe. The people are often half there. At times they fight whatever is going on (a woman the guy is seeing, or fascism, or the church), they might 'win' something and then give up anyway. The Suicides is probably one of my favourite short-stories ever. Its a car-crash with the logic ruthlessly followed through (maybe analogous to Mishima's Patrotism). Then finished Duras - Outside. Mentioned this above but I had just started. It was great to see other writing by her beyond the fucked-up sorta love triangles she usually cooly and traumatically re-uses. The piece on Bardot is great, the best interviews were with Seyrig and Francis Bacon (such a sharp and engaging conversation), a couple of fictiony pieces round it off - one of which describes this gorgeously empty meeting at a hotel (she meant to write a piece on Hotels and wrote this fiction instead). Two and a half pages where nothing is wasted. On the poetry front I got to Arun Kolatkar's Complete Poems. Jejuri which felt beat-ish (the trip to the town and its temples and sights and impressions). Kolatkar didn't publish any more collections while he was alive, only allowing more to come out by the time he was dying - and maybe I can see why. He never found that exciting framework. Lots of good-ish things and while Collected books of poetry are always a bit weird anyway my impressions is lots of scraps struggling to cohere. One of the final poems is a boatride - another trip. However his translations of other Marathi poets are fucking amazing and a book of those would be so good. He has unexpectedly opened modern and ancient Indian poetry for me so I'll always be grateful. Lots to discover.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 25 March 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link

Elena Ferrante - Days of Abandonment
My third pass at George Meredith's The Egoist.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 March 2016 21:20 (eight years ago) link

Robert Caro - The Years of Lyndon Johnson: Passage of Power. I'm going to have to read the other volumes of this, enormously entertaining.

J. G. Ballard - The Atrocity Exhibition. Incredible on its own, but really the best thing about this is Ballard's annotations, which are so sharp and rich.

Delfin Vigil - Death of a Newspaperman. Friend of mine wrote this about a young man's experiences at the SF Chronicle during its waning years, p entertaining as a local journalistic history fantasia.

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 March 2016 21:31 (eight years ago) link

Started V.S. Naipul's Michael X and the Black Power Killings in Trinidad. It doesn't conceal Naipul's scorn for his protagonist. Also, it is brief, more like a magazine feature story's length.

I have a copy of Michael Lewis's The Big Short on hold at the library, ready to pick up, so that's the next one in line.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 25 March 2016 21:36 (eight years ago) link

i feel guilty that all i do is read joyce carol oates now but im reading 'you must remember this' rn and srsly it is amazing

johnny crunch, Friday, 25 March 2016 22:51 (eight years ago) link

the quixote translation i have is by burton raffel, i loved it when i read it but some ppl have criticized it for being a bit too eager to modernize cervantes's style

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:17 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love the Edith Grossman translation of Don Quixote, which is probably even more extreme in this regard than the one JD mentions above. There's actually a fascinating defence of the translation that anticipates and counters those criticisms (in the foreword iirc). they say that spanish has not changed as radically as english has since the 16th/17th century: if someone walked up to you and started speaking the spanish of Cervantes you wouldn't bat an eye save for the odd outmoded expression. whereas if someone did the same in Victorian english every sentence would sound ridiculous and almost unrecognizable to the layman. ime the modernity of the writing seemed a bit uncanny at first but, if you believe the argument above, the assumption that old books should 'read old' is, paradoxically, anachronistic. they even claim that a lot of previous translations were written by old stuffy scholars who intentionally musted-up the writing to make it read the way old english books do

flopson, Friday, 25 March 2016 23:38 (eight years ago) link

marge piercy, woman on the edge of time - only sci-fi to the extent that edward bellamy was, and an odd collision of naivete and pessimism. its feminism and depiction of capitalism's losers were pretty radical for sci-fi of any kind at the time and maybe now too

antal szerb, journey by moonlight - hungarians wander inter-war europe being dramatic and dryly funny and sometimes insightful

mookieproof, Saturday, 26 March 2016 00:01 (eight years ago) link

I loved Woman On the Edge of Time when I was younger, really want to give it a re-read now (particularly in light of having read a fair amount of female-authored sci-fi recently) but don't have a copy.

emil.y, Saturday, 26 March 2016 00:13 (eight years ago) link

i feel guilty that all i do is read joyce carol oates now but im reading 'you must remember this' rn and srsly it is amazing

― johnny crunch, Friday, March 25, 2016

you'll be reading her through 2041

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 March 2016 00:13 (eight years ago) link

antal szerb, journey by moonlight - hungarians wander inter-war europe being dramatic and dryly funny and sometimes insightful

I love this book, found it really charming

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Saturday, 26 March 2016 02:58 (eight years ago) link

me too!

mookieproof, Saturday, 26 March 2016 03:13 (eight years ago) link

Bits of The Sound & The Fury A Rock Backpages Reader which is a collection of music writing from the early 60s to late 90s edited by Barney Hoskyns. It has introductions by the authors from the time of the book's publication giving context.
Great find for 25c.

Stevolende, Saturday, 26 March 2016 08:20 (eight years ago) link

So, given my squeamishness about that murdery stuff, do people recommend that I carry on with 2666? I was going to say hat I have plenty else to read, but I don't know what's happened to my books or records - they may well have been binned, which is what happened the last time something like this happened. Like a personal burning of he library of Alexandria.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Saturday, 26 March 2016 12:56 (eight years ago) link

It's yr decision, but "The Part about the Crimes" doesn't really become less upsetting, and "The Part about Archimboldi" is less explicitly violent but still concerns itself with vast historical traumas, since it focuses on German fascism and its aftermath. I think it's worth finishing the novel on its own merits, but it's ok to move on if you're finding it too disturbing to continue.

one way street, Saturday, 26 March 2016 13:15 (eight years ago) link

I read plenty of stuff that is disturbing in different ways, it's mostly just a weird strong reaction I have when I'm not well. I'll probably keep going with it, or put it aside until I feel better.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Saturday, 26 March 2016 13:19 (eight years ago) link

(As context, 2666 might be my favorite novel of the century so far, and I like a lot of art that is in various ways painful or concerned with forms of abjection, but I think people should be able to make their own decisions about what artworks they continue to engage with. (For example, "In a Year with 13 Moons" is a brilliant film in many ways, and it's stuck with me more vividly than almost any other Fassbinder film, but for personal reasons, I don't know if I'd ever choose to watch it again.) I think Maggie Nelson's take on this in The Art of Cruelty is fairly nuanced.
Xp

one way street, Saturday, 26 March 2016 13:30 (eight years ago) link

I read plenty of stuff that is disturbing in different ways, it's mostly just a weird strong reaction I have when I'm not well. I'll probably keep going with it, or put it aside until I feel better.

Yeah, either choice is totally valid.

one way street, Saturday, 26 March 2016 13:32 (eight years ago) link

I mean, Clive Barker is maybe my favourite 'pop' author, but the violence and gore is kept at arms length by the fantasy. Then again, I've read books about operation condor, Pinochet etc., so I'm not sure the later part will bother me (though I should probably investigate why it feels different). I just want to go back to the part about the boring professors/critics...

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Saturday, 26 March 2016 13:35 (eight years ago) link

I mean, I feel like gradually removing the layers of relative protection from historical violence the critics enjoy is part of Bolaño's strategy, but I definitely find "The Part about the Crimes" to be both crucial to the novel's project and extremely viscerally upsetting to read.

one way street, Saturday, 26 March 2016 14:04 (eight years ago) link

I can appreciate what he's doing, this repetitive style of description, the eroding of distinction between the killers and the police etc. I certainly don't think it's gratuitous or sadistic, I just find it hard.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Saturday, 26 March 2016 14:58 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, it is hard, and that's a understandable reaction.

one way street, Saturday, 26 March 2016 15:11 (eight years ago) link

FWIW I read large portions of 2666 on break at my night job, or in the morning when I got off and couldn't sleep... I'm not sure if this helped me to read 'The Part About the Crimes' (bc reading disinterestedly, 'to pass the time'), or helped me to misread it (bc cynically detached, like a train commuter with a newspaper) -- the strongest impression I retain of that section is of an otherworldly temporal rhythm that quickly settles over both book & reader, alongside a paucity (but not a total absence) of narrative development, giving the whole thing this weird sense of frenzied exhaustion. But then again, that could just be the insomnia talking ;)

bernard snowy, Saturday, 26 March 2016 15:25 (eight years ago) link

I think there is narrative development in that section along various strands; it just doesn't lead toward clarity. My own reading method was one of horrified immersion, but you're right that the narrative rhythm of that section is distinctly unsettling.

one way street, Saturday, 26 March 2016 16:58 (eight years ago) link

2666 might be my favorite novel of the century so far

Seconded.

For me 'The Part About the Crimes' sets into motion a kind of enhanced dissociation. The brain stops appropriately processing the horror of each individual case after the first few, and all of that rhythmic, forensic facelessness just loses you in the claustrophobic, abyssal desert of futility. Frenzied exhaustion is exactly what I felt too. A kind of appalled ambivalence that sees its efforts fade like mirages in the heat. I think it's got a lot to do with cracking open the body and mind of the detective and putting us directly inside and that being central to unlocking more of the self, potential versions of which we are fielded later in the section. On a different level of engagement, one you can carry away from the trance of reading and into daylight reason and discourse, Bolaño is forcing a crucial wider recognition of these whitewashed atrocities.

there seemed to be another pair of eyes behind his eyes

I was trying to remember this ^ quote from Distant Star, which I'm lifting totally out of context, but it nevertheless encapsulates both the dream-like encasement of oneself, and the inducement of something like a psychopathic removal of affect when the fabric of reality is so threatened by the impossibility of the crimes. A long-winded way of saying I agree with what's been said... Naturally, if it's stirring up anything too negative, then there's plenty to recommend some of his less death-intensive novels.

tangenttangent, Saturday, 26 March 2016 23:09 (eight years ago) link

tangenttangent, who's the translator of yer Don Quixote? I wanna read that too.

― dow, Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:34 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, I missed this - sorry. It's Ozell's Revision of the Translation of Peter Motteux, published in 1967, chosen because...it's what we had in the house. I couldn't find much about it during a brief search online, so I can't imagine it'll be the one you end up with, but it definitely seems to read smoothly compared with my experience of 'bad' translations.

Enjoying very much so far, if a bit daunted by my slow progress in comparison with its immediate and rapid acceleration. Also, it is laugh out loud funny.

tangenttangent, Saturday, 26 March 2016 23:21 (eight years ago) link

Journey by Moonlight is wonderful, I've been recommending it to people constantly since reading it a few months back.

Got kind of bogged down in the middle of Acceptance, last book in the Southern Reach trilogy. Found a relatively cheap copy of Strange Doings by R. A. Lafferty last night and have been enjoying the hell out of it. The bookstore also had 900 Grandmothers but it would have cost $70.

JoeStork, Saturday, 26 March 2016 23:27 (eight years ago) link

I saw 900 Grandmothers is now an ebook for about $4, was thinking of grabbing it since Lafferty is one of those writers I keep hearing about and have never tried.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Sunday, 27 March 2016 10:15 (eight years ago) link

Really, where?

Woke Up Scully (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 March 2016 12:01 (eight years ago) link

Think there are a few other contenders alongside 2666 for novel of the 21st century etc yadda yadda. Certainly DeWitt's Last Samurai. Saer's La Grande (2005) Hilbig's Sleep of the Righteous are two recent translations that were so good. Ferrante's The Days of Abandonment (2005) too.

Of the untranslated maybe Solstad's Telemark book.

Fuck a Knausgaard.

re: Part about the Crimes. Reading De Sade last year and there was something there in the accumulation of horrific detail. Their projects were very different (I'll just state that here just in case there was any doubt), but Bolano is so much flatter as a writer - and very comfortable with that. The horrors described in that section keep passing you by. Weirdly breezy yet horrific at the same time. But isn't that so much like life today?

Except there is that high level of immersion.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 27 March 2016 13:03 (eight years ago) link

DeWitt is 2000 and Hilbig was 2002. Solstad is 2013.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 27 March 2016 13:07 (eight years ago) link

Ferrante's The Days of Abandonment (2005) too.

my man B-)

flopson, Sunday, 27 March 2016 16:47 (eight years ago) link

enjoyed this Easter afternoon reading Gotthelf's The Black Spider. There is much to be said for novels that can be read in a couple of hours. I'm wondering now what Gotthelf meant by all of the people who came from foreign lands, though.

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 27 March 2016 17:27 (eight years ago) link

I just finished Richard Ford's The Sportswriter. I thought I hated it at first, but circumstances have dictated that I read it over the space of six weeks and at that speed - the speed of life or something - it's made absolute sense. I've found the pace comforting, the (relatively) low-key nature of the events comforting, and there's something to be said for Ford's refusal of the numinous, and his relative refusal of manifest destiny. I think it's still probably in Rabbit's shadow, but I need to chew it over a bit more.

Poacher (Chinaski), Sunday, 27 March 2016 21:19 (eight years ago) link

Ah, doesn't seem to work in US.

Woke Up Scully (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 March 2016 22:42 (eight years ago) link

Frederick Philip Grove, Over Prairie Trails
Jane Urquhart, Sanctuary Line

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Sunday, 27 March 2016 22:54 (eight years ago) link

Thanks for getting back to me about the translation, tangenttangent. Re the 2666 (and other) experience, the Bolano thread is worth checking. It changes after "The Part About The Crimes": some of the characters from previous sections reappear, engaged in their usual pursuits, obsessions, etc,, but nothing is ever the same, because the sense of something monstrous and clinical and ultra(?)-obsessive is under the surface/between the walls, exerting pressure but never surfacing, in subsequent sections; and some of the characters rail against, it but there's no release. Reminds me of a version of "All Along The Watchtower" I saw Dylan and the boys doing one time, back in the 90s. In the book and the performance, there were fluctuations on the exertion of pressure, but that just increased the tension.
I took it that this is Bolano's version of The Way We Live Now, or anyway the way we live now, and the feeling of pressure he had while writing, and knowing (at some point during this project) that he was mortally ill.

dow, Monday, 28 March 2016 23:33 (eight years ago) link

And I think it's the afterword where someone states that Bolano wanted the sections to be published separately, hoping to maximize his children's inherited royalties.

dow, Monday, 28 March 2016 23:39 (eight years ago) link

I've been reading Ronald Reagan: Fate, Freedom, and the Making of History by John Patrick Diggins.

o. nate, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 01:31 (eight years ago) link

I've started in on The Big Short. Lewis sure knows how to construct a narrative that propels your interest. The arrogance, ignorance and general sleaze of most Wall Street traders is no surprise and therefore after you're done getting angry at them they are essentially uninteresting, so Lewis focuses on a few traders who are atypical, surprising and capable of holding your interest.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 01:54 (eight years ago) link

polished off "my lunches with orson" in two days, now onto "class" by paul fussell

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 02:18 (eight years ago) link

I've been reading Ronald Reagan: Fate, Freedom, and the Making of History by John Patrick Diggins.

― o. nate, Monday, March 28, 2016 9:31 PM

This is the one by the purported liberal, right?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 02:19 (eight years ago) link

Sonia Shah: Pandemic -- fascinating history of cholera, using it as a springboard to look at pandemics and their effects on human biology/history/society, etc

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 09:47 (eight years ago) link

Granddaddy of all pandemic books was Plagues and Peoples, Wm. McNeill. It launched a thousand ships, so to speak.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 15:52 (eight years ago) link

curious to hear what you think of Big Short, Aimes. i read it this January and really liked it.

I found it wasn't actually as good at explaining the finance stuff as some reviews claim. I think Lewis assumes the reader is bored by that stuff (what a CDS actually is) so he over-compensates with focus on the foibles and quirks of the characters' personalities. also i remain a bit unclear about each individual's contributions, a lot o people i know who read the book or saw the movie came out of it thinking the Cornwall Capital guys were somehow responsible for the crash, which is really not the case. i don't think Lewis ever explicitly says that, but i can see how it's unclear enough that someone could walk away thinking that

flopson, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 16:34 (eight years ago) link

I'm about halfway through The Big Short. afaics, Lewis only explains as much of the financial stuff as he thinks is necessary for his readers to feel they have a bare grasp of what is going on. I am guessing there are far better 'explainer' books out there that lay it out in much greater depth and detail. All Lewis really wants you to walk away with is the unshakable belief that the global financial system is run entirely by thieves and charlatans. He succeeds in this.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link

This is the one by the purported liberal, right?

Diggins is hard to pigeonhole. He described himself as "to the right of the Left and to the left of the Right".

A couple of interesting pieces about him:
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/man-in-the-middle-john-patrick-diggins
https://newrepublic.com/article/71889/john-patrick-diggins-1935-2009

The book is interesting because it recasts Reagan as an Emersonian romantic and as a liberal in certain key aspects. It tries to understand the roots of his political philosophy and how he governed. Overall it's a fairly sympathetic look, but also clear-eyed about his shortcomings.

o. nate, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link

All Lewis really wants you to walk away with is the unshakable belief that the global financial system is run entirely by thieves and charlatans. He succeeds in this.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 17:22 (1 hour ago) Permalink

Huh, this wasn't really my impression. I got a sense more of genuine ignorance at complexity of the housing loan contracts, plus the fucked up incentives of the loan rating agencies (as well as the incentive to remain ignorant of what was in the loans in the first place), than individual malice. Which I liked because thinking of Finance as just a bunch of villains makes it hard to think about how to reform it. Shame that he left he whole agency problem of investment/shadow banking to like the last page of the afterword.

flopson, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 19:19 (eight years ago) link

List with brief comments, some intriguing, others not(but dammit why can't I remember to get The Art of Memory?):

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/t-magazine/entertainment/my-10-favorite-books-simon-critchley.html?WT.mc_id=D-NYT-MKTG-MOD-30555-03-29-HD&WT.mc_ev=click&WT.mc_c=

dow, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 22:02 (eight years ago) link

Michael Bloch - Closet Queens
Will Cuppy - The Decline and Fall of Practically Everybody

soref, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 02:21 (eight years ago) link

Jean Rhys - After Leaving Mr. Mackenzie. There is no heartbreak or disappointment - Rhys' amin characters get just what they expect out of people which is exactly zilch. Nada. Certainly worse. And its a world you are happy to swim in because the writing is so good. In some ways Wide Sargasso Sea might be her only bad book - although I should revisit - it made not that much of an impression. Working back from Good Morning, Midnight is really working, even if I had to start it over again I'd do so from the beginning. Looking forward to two more books of short stories and Quartet later this year.

Tanizaki - In Praise of Shadows. At first its an innocent looking short essay on Japanese aesthetics. There is a shadow of nationalism running through it, a longing for what was and can never be again.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 08:50 (eight years ago) link

Rhys's Tigers are Better-looking is extraordinary, I think, and Sleep it Off, Lady is slighter but still haunting at times in the way of increasingly skeletal late writing.

one way street, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 19:11 (eight years ago) link

Excellent.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link

When you've exhausted Rhys's own books, it's quite interesting to read her one (that I know of) translation, Francis Carco's 'Perversity': it's nowhere near as good as her own stuff, but you can see why it appealed to her.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/95/1f/30/951f30e03eb93fa82ec8e35cf93428dc.jpg

Rhys's collected letters, edited by Diana Athill, are worth looking at, but maybe not read in full, since they basically boil down to "O poor me, I canot cope, I need money, i can't do anything for myself, o alack alas" and that wears you out after a couple of hundred pages. Athill writes movingly and entertainingly about Rhys in 'Stet'--she was her editor and frequent helper for quite some time.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:09 (eight years ago) link

Well I am looking at reading a vol of Van Gogh's letters later in the year so that might be ok.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:47 (eight years ago) link

Ha! Van Gogh's letters to his brother Theo? They're wonderful.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:50 (eight years ago) link

Yeah.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:55 (eight years ago) link

Pat Barker - Life Class
Gary Donaldson - Truman Defeats Dewey
Byron - Selected Letters

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 22:58 (eight years ago) link

... but which will take it upon themselves to start the WAYR thread of the new season?

bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 23:51 (eight years ago) link

Here.

one way street, Thursday, 31 March 2016 00:02 (eight years ago) link

think there's a katherine mansfield story based on her stay in war-torn paris and her relationship with carco... i need to reread her stories, it's been a long time.

no lime tangier, Thursday, 31 March 2016 00:43 (eight years ago) link

It's 'An Indiscreet Journey': https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/m/mansfield/katherine/something/chapter14.html -- Didn't know that it was based on her and Carco!

two weeks pass...

Really enjoyed Mieville's new novella while I sat in the rare sun at the pub today. Don't know hat folks opinions are of him, but it was some of his best writing.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 12:31 (eight years ago) link

Spring and All 2k16 / what are you reading now?

koogs, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 12:38 (eight years ago) link


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