Imagine if John Lydon had died in 1980 and Ian Curtis was making adverts for Country Life butter

Just how different would things be?

Imagine if James Brown had died in 1967 and Otis Redding sang "Living in America" in Rocky IV.

What if Air Supply died in 1983 and Jim Morrison was selling 16CD collections of soft rock classics from the 70s

imagine if eddie vedder had died in 1994 and kurt cobain was making ukelele albums

what if ringo had died in 1980 and john lennon was now killing children throughout cheshire and burying their broken remains in unmarked shallow graves

what i had died yesterday and ebert was watching jaws 4

what if a plane had been flown into morrissey and the world trade centre was complaining about the staples centre

"what do you do when you're not flying planes?"
"i deliver laundry"

surely ian would be reviving the "I feel like chicken tonight" ad?

Imagine if Molly Hatchet died in a plane crash in '77 and Lynyrd Skynyrd were playing the Lincolnton Hog Happenin' Festival with only one original member

Actually they probably are, what am I saying

D. Boon survived the van accident and ultimately ended up joining political forces with Moe Tucker.

what if Dave Gahan died every night and rose from the grave every morning

Man, all those things would be crazy.

what if Richard Fariña had survived his motorcycle accident and ended up writing the liner notes to Lotion's "Nobody's Cool."

xpost yeah especially the ukelele thing

what if in February 1959 Waylon Jennings had left the Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake, Iowa after the Winter Dance Party gig to board the fateful Beechcraft Bonanza that never got further than the Mason City Municipal Airport and in April 1977 Dion DiMucci debuted a #1 Country hit with "Luckenbach, Texas (Back To The Basics Of Love"

what if prog had died in 1977 and people were still acting like they like punk rock

what if billy corgan died of an od and jimmy chamberlin went on to release a series of shit albums under the name "smashing pumpkins"?

what if Benny Spellman had been sidelined during the recording of Ernie K Doe's "Mother-In-Law" and Allen Toussaint made an executive decision to have the title refrain sung in a falsetto by Aaron Neville

What if the Beatles released the Black Album and Metallica released the White Album?

what if the bus landed on lars ulrich instead of cliff burton, we'd probably be listening to metallica 100 thrash classixxx on napster right now

Seriously though guys, Johnny Rotten would be some kind of untouchable icon.

what if Brian Jones hadn't died, and he just kept doing drugs like Keef but just got more and more insufferable and ended up being like a Lou Reed level dick to everyone for decades and Lou seeing what a dick Brian Jones was he became kind of kindly and nice

that would be weird

Brilliant

Imagine if Sid Vicious... Oh wait

what if mozart hadn't died? ever?

woah.

Star Trek TOS episode about that, iirc. Requiem for Methuselah.

what if simon le bon had turned down that nme advert and jarvis cocker became the duran duran vocalist

xxpost think he would have got really freaked out by Falco

what if jarvis cocker had actually decided to go and live like common people do

what if blixa bargeld had been driving that car in the dominican republic and falco had recorded 'silence is sexy' xp

What if they never cancelled firefly

What if billy crystal had been born a woman

What if the sun exploded tomorrow and this thread was the last thing you saw

What if ROM was the best character Marvel ever came up with?

what if prince had stopped being such a dickhole

what if Brother Pele was in the front
and Sweet Zina was in the back

how bizarre

what if the clowns were to the right and the jokers were to the left

What if the ghosts of the London Boys took and MTV presenting job in 1994 and Miles Hunt died in a car crash

what if james booth fronted a band called 'tim'

what if the people would have been the times or between clark and hilldale

What if dre forgot about dre and y'all muthafuckas bought snowbiles

what if we give it away

what if God was one of the acts at the Us festival

Imagine if Chris Cornell had died in 1994 and Kurt Cobain had sung the theme tune for Casino Royale.

what if Little Steven couldn't wait to play Sun City

What if Nick Cave ate a cheeseburger, like, yesterday?

What if we had psychedelic ketchup?

what if Tim Yuro were still alive?

Aw, still miss hearing from that guy.

What if Zac de la Rocha set himself on fire and a Buddhist monk was the front man for Rage Against the Machine?

in two years this thread will become a series of links to news articles about disappointing sellouts

What if Snoop and Nas were killed in the 90s and Pac was making terrible reggae and Biggie was divorced from Kelis?

what if Tim Yuro were still alive?

― m0stlyClean, Saturday, April 6, 2013 9:13 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Aw, still miss hearing from that guy.

― pplains, Saturday, April 6, 2013 9:54 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still miss seeing that guy ;_;

He was a good guy and an ideal poster.

yup

S-S-S-Superstar

(Grouper)

What if Kenny Rogers had fallen in love with a dreamer

what if he performed 'islands in the stream' with patti smith

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME

what if Dolly Parton married Fred Sonic Smith

what if fred sonic smith married knuckles the echidna

What if they didn't have to move those refrigerators?

what if they built this city on brostep

O_O

What if Lol had kicked Robert Smith out the band in 1989 and went on to record 5 albums under the name "The Cure"

Including the famous album The Cure- Squeeze.

What if Kurt Cobain had quit Nirvana and gone on to make South Park cartoons?

http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2379385.jpg

Imagine no PiL sessions... I wonder if you can

What if Mark Walberg had a successful career as a pop star and actor and Mark Wahlberg hosted Antiques Roadshow?

What if Skee Lo had been like 6'9"? Would his life have been significantly different or was he just using his height as an excuse to cover for other shortcomings? Would Leoshi have been more interested?

lol why the picture of Andre Agassi?

that's trey parker

Gotta admit he had too much Brian Harvey about him to be Andre

Imagine if Peter Hook had died in 1980 and Ian Curtis was touring an a cappella version of 'Unknown Pleasures'.

I expect I Remember Nothing with fingerclicks would have gone a treat.

if the wind were colors, and if the air could speak

Imagine if Marty McFly had died in 1956 and Biff had invented Rock and Roll?

Imagine if Nicky Wire died choking on a banana in 1995 and Richey Edwards dressed up as a tomato for charity?

What if Eric Clapton had died in 1970 and Jimi Hendrix had a CD at Starbucks called Old Electric Ladysock?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW6jgLa63VA

What if they were 4 blondes

what if Eric Clapton had fallen out of the window instead of his son

no more tears in heaven

Would have still created legal problems for Anal Cunt

Xp I was gonna do that one but thought it would be ill-received

lol why the picture of Andre Agassi?

― OutdoorFish, Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:39 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's trey parker

― how's life, Sunday, April 7, 2013 5:26 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(just for clarification.)

http://data.whicdn.com/images/46095771/Kurt_Cobain__311996a_thumb.jpg http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2379385.jpg

Although mine was "what if clapton fell out the window & his son started complaining about 'wogs'" xp

what if god was one of us

The one of us would be God.

what are the theological ramifications in sb'ing the almighty

what if Ken Thompson had spelt creat with an e?

(Also theological concerns already addressed succinctly by da croupier up thread )

Lol I was totally thinking about the Hendrix/Clapton/Old Moccasin one

What if love, anyway?

what if the corner hotel never existed and prince's album was called '3066'

What if you could check out any time you like, and they called you a cab too?

What if you COULD rollerskate in a buffalo herd?

imagine if malcolm mclaren had never recorded 'duck rock' and neneh cherry couldn't come up with a song

Or if he hadn't done the double dutch? Whip-Smart would have been a much better album.

What if Steve Winwood had joined John Oates and they had performed as Barleycorn and Oates?

well this thread went south quick

What if it hadnt, and the Hall and Oates thread only had 6 new answers?

What if Johnny Cash died in a Cadillac in the 50s and Rick Rubin had to make Hank Williams do Danzig covers?

Oh Jesus

what if jesus hadn't died and oh whatever

what if hitler had grandchildren and kevin hitler had to wank off a pig on 'i'm a celebrity'

hahahaha

Nice chap isn't he:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/video/2013/apr/11/john-lydon-australian-tv-video

He'd say exactly the same thing to a male TV interviewer.

(not watched the vid, just read the (short) story.

Yeah um he called himself a master of the universe in that clip

What if Tupac and Biggie had been reincarnated in South and North Korea, respectively?

*mind blown*

What if there was a mountain high enough, a valley low enough and a river wide enough to keep steen from getting to HOOS?

What if George Clinton had given up Funk for Food??

what if george clinton had gone into the roofing business

what if funk moves but it cannot remove?

what if I can't turn the greyest sky blue
I can't make it rain whenever I want it to
I can't make a castle from a single grain of sand
I can't make a ship sail on dry land

what if charlene had been to herself

What if it had snowed somewhere in Africa that Christmas

^^^ can be sung to the tune of Toto's Africa fyi

What if Johnny Cash died in a Cadillac in the 50s and Rick Rubin had to make Hank Williams do Danzig covers?

I want my alternate universe Hank Williams Danzig cover.

Not if it means a Boceaphus version of "Seven Year Ache".

What if Cliff Richard had never invented funk?

what if the beatles had never existed, and mojo had to put something else on all its covers in the 21st century

i love u guys

xp Choking on my tea

haha this thread

what if Ice Cube had died in 1996 and Tupac was starring in family-friendly flicks.

ha I was going to do one about Jay-z being shot in 97 and Biggie owning a piece of a world-class tennis stadium in brownsville.

What if Karen Carpenter and Mama Cass survived and formed a duo?

Duo dissolved following cass' devouring karen in drug-induced haze

what if will.i.am were called dennis

what if cory monteith were born 40 years earlier and kidnapped neil young and went on to form crosby stills nash'n monteith

I reckon it'd be pretty cool if Freddie Mercury was trying to save the badgers tbh

what if Freddie Mercury's biggest secret was that he WAS a badger irl and that's why Brian May has dedicated his life to saving them

what if Chris Brown is /was a member of The Residents?

What if Michael Stipe's name was really Michael Stope?

and what if they kept it instead of giving it away

what if he found his religion but lost his orange crush

what if Vince Neil died instead of the guy from Hanoi Rocks and as a result of the butterfly effect we lived in a utopian society cuz FUCK VINCE NEIL

What if an accident of birth had placed Obama in Cuba?

one of the funniest thread titles OOT imo

Imagine if Ian Curtis had died in 1975 and the band found a front man who could actually sing.

after he died they went with Barney. this is clearly a group of musicians with a strong preference for frontmen who can't sing.

what if they had went with morrissey

xp wk,

"whoa whoa whoa"

these young men you fancifully fry
with those weights on their shoulders so high

I keep reading the title of this thread as 'Imagine if John Lennon had died in 1980... '

me too actually!

it's easy if you try.

steven was the good singer but he couldnt sing and play at the same time iirc

that said i love bernard's voice despite its imperfection. i named my cat after him! he has a good voice too.

I enjoy hooky's vocals on dreams never end and doubts even here. only ever heard one revenge song though.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/25/if-germans-won-first-world-war

^^^worse than a thousand liveblogs of 'carry on dick'

What if Dr. Dre had died in 1996 and Tupac Shakur was a soon-to-be Apple exec hawking overpriced headphones?

What if Igor Stravinsky shocked the crowd at the 1913 Newport Folk Festival with his electrified version of "Le Sacre du Printemps"?

What if Beethoven lost his sense of smell instead of hearing?

irl lol

what if Phil collins was gay?

"In Too Deep" would have a whole other dimension.

you're no son of mine

heard 'love will tear us apart' in the supermarket the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPBzmn8bcyk

Ian Curtis rides a rollercoaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvPIvoJkmGs

I saw that yesterday but couldn't think the best thread to put it on. Good pick.

What if the Red Hot Chili Peppers came from Grimsby instead of Hollywood?

We were the butter kind

Posted on another thread?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/john-lydon-trump-brexit-nigel-farage-support-sex-pistols-singer-good-morning-britain-a7652981.html?cmpid=facebook-post

it's funny that this is being treated like it's a news story when he's openly been a right-wing shithead for as long as i can remember

It's like how people were Stoll looking to Bob Dylan to lead the revolution in 1982

as ian curtis is in the thread title: imagine what an insufferable bastard he would be if he were alive, considering that when he was in his early 20s he was a tory voter who didn't allow his wife to vote because she supported labour

lol i didnt know that, damn

thought this thread was revived re Lydon's Brexit comments

as opposed to...?

this is weird because i distinctly remember skimming a magazine interview w/ lydon a few months back where he slammed trump and praised obama. strange guy.

Lydon's been making a fool of himself in one way or another for 35 years. (I should say I haven't read his books, which are supposed to be good.) But I'm with Marcus there (he's talking about some Sex Pistols reunion show specifically, but I'd extend it to pronouncements like Lydon's today):

"My attitude was these people did so much to make the world a more interesting place, that I don’t care if they go on every five years for the money: they deserve it. They can’t be repaid for what they did – that’s how I feel about it...If they’d all become bankers, or arms merchants or mercenaries in Iraq or something like that – those records would still be there and they would still be things in themselves. And the creators could not hurt them."

thought this thread was revived re Lydon's Brexit comments

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, March 27, 2017 9:15 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as opposed to...?

― (±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Monday, March 27, 2017

my bad: I missed the first post

I don't remember the tory Curtis stuff. What's the source on that?

It's in Touching from a Distance:

Ian ... voted Conservative as he always would do. He argued that as his wife I had to vote the same way, otherwise I would cancel his vote!

https://books.google.com/books?id=LmSwBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT52&dq=ian+curtis+conservative+touching+from+a+distance&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR65SYnvjSAhUD2yYKHd5_BjgQuwUIIzAB#v=onepage&q=ian%20curtis%20conservative%20touching%20from%20a%20distance&f=false

He died at 23. There was only two general elections he could've voted in and only one during their marriage. That "he always" is carrying a lot of weight.

Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.

the doddering classes often become conservative without realizing it

this is weird because i distinctly remember skimming a magazine interview w/ lydon a few months back where he slammed trump and praised obama. strange guy.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 03:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wArthvGUb_w

Doughnut Bump?

Man, Conan looks weird in that screen capture.

too bad, cz "no future in England's dreaming" is a fairly prescient synopsis of Brexit

or maybe it won't be, I mean I can't claim to be that prescient myself obv

Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.

Well, if he's complacent enough to view the situation as nothing more than entertainment, that's something of an ideological position in itself, but I think he said more than that? There's more of the interview here (although it's mostly quoted in the text of the Independent article). He said he stands with the working class in favour of Brexit. (And if I understand how the British class system works, which I definitely don't, I'm guessing this probably means something like "white working class".) And he said "the left-wing media" is smearing Trump as racist, which he doesn't think is true (but many of us do); and that it's a very good thing that he's "terrifying politicians" (again, not something that everyone agrees with).

Probably considers himself smeared as a racist by Kele Okereke.

lydon is most likely a tory shithead, all things considered, but he's also always been pretty good at saying stuff that gets him media attention

nah, he's "apolitical", like as in "atonal"

I doubt he's a Tory. Being NOT MIDDLE CLASS is his whole thing.

it's not his whole thing - there's also being a sneering, money-motivated property-developing arsehole with which is prime tory territory iirc

What I meant is that not being seen to be middle class is more important to him than any political affiliations.

He's just yet another embarrassing I-just-say-what-I-think rentagob at this stage. It makes little difference whether they self-identify as right-wing or not, but there was some dodgy stuff involving Kele Okerere a few years ago.

yeah exactly - i don't care how he votes - saying right-wing things is an act in itself, whatever his private feelings are don't concern me in this context.

The Kele thing..

The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.

Now, let's think about the Donald. Hmmmmm....

"My attitude was these people did so much to make the world a more interesting place, that I don’t care if they go on every five years for the money: they deserve it. They can’t be repaid for what they did – that’s how I feel about it...If they’d all become bankers, or arms merchants or mercenaries in Iraq or something like that – those records would still be there and they would still be things in themselves. And the creators could not hurt them."

this is a weird claim for Marcus to make, given his insistence, elsewhere, on the important of context. an artist's later work and actions enrich/further/complicate the context of their earlier work, at the very least. if that work has, in the past, been political in nature/focus, then an artist's expressed political opinions might also further illuminate/complicate the earlier work. earlier work doesn't exist in some weird bubble where nothing that comes later can touch it; even the experience of being moved by that earlier work can be complicated in severe instance (where the artist later goes on to commit murder, say).

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented, vocal support for Trump suggests he doesn't exactly have the best interests of black people at heart but who really gives a shit what a pop star from 30 years ago thinks about politics anyway?

The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.

mmm, inclined to go back to what lg said about 'private feelings' here - if you're knowingly surrounding yourself with racists who end up getting into a racially-motivated fracas then you're just as much at fault imo

uhm I think you're forgetting one thing: john lydon likes reggae

If you think you have evidence that a rock star might be racist, maybe try looking into whether or not they like reggae first before you embarrass yourself

tru, sorry everyone

lol

aka the "Morrissey test"

Is Morrissey still a Farage fan? Has he being saying anything political in recent years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCDkRpc4pns

aka the "Morrissey test"

― oh good he's gone now i can take this off (Noodle Vague)

applied by John Roberts when striking down a key section of the Voting Rights Act iirc

Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.

― everything, Monday, March 27, 2017 9:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah he thinks that enoch powell is the the greatest ever briton. wonderful guy. not right-wing at all.

oh is this the "they're not actually racist, they're just saying ironic stuff to shock people" debate again, I thought we settled that with the alt-right

well, yeah. lydon was always a troll but now that is basically undistinguishable from alt-right. it's a generational thing somewhat. godard tripped on it as well.

wow, enoch powell? when did he say that?

It would be no biggie, Enoch's reputation has been completely rehabilitated since they found out he "wasn't totally impartial to" a bit of Dixieland Swing, occasionally.

xp. i can't find it anywhere online but i vividly remember watching john lydon on the tv as part of the 100 greatest britons programme advocating for enoch powell, talking about the cruelty of mass immigration on the native white, working class communities, and how powell was prescient with his river's of blood speech.

lol river's of blood

I'm glad I'm not the only cunt who keeps butchering apostrophes on here tbh!

xpost hahaha. Kinda wish Enoch Powell was a jazz fan but when he was on Desert Island Discs he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden. His book choice (bearing in mind you already are given a bible) was the Old Testament in Hebrew. Wotta twat.

one thing about old enoch that your modern day rightist chuds can't match is at least the horrible old bastard was a polyglot

Lydon channeling Brendan O'Neill

Brexit is actually the most rock’n’roll thing to have happened in a generation. What we have here is ordinary people, including vast swathes of the working class, saying ‘No’ to the status quo, sticking two fingers up at an aloof elite, channelling Rotten and Vicious to say screw you (or something rather tastier) to that illiberal, risk-averse layer of bureaucracy in Brussels. It makes the student radicals of the 60s and even the anarchic punks of the 70s look like rank amateurs in comparison. Sure, those guys might have waved flowers against the Vietnam War or put safety pins through their snouts, but did they send the political class, the chattering class and the business elite into an existential tailspin by delivering a severe sucker punch to these people’s favourite institution? No, they didn’t. Brexit did, though.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-punk-thing-happened-years/

didn't Gove also write some sub-Spiked screed more than a decade ago about how right-wingers are the modern day punk rockers?

probs more than half of the music ilx listens to is written by a sexist, a racist, a misanthrope or a classist

all of you are going straight to hell

c u there

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented

lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?

probs more than half of the music ilx listens to is written by a sexist, a racist, a misanthrope, a homeboy, a hippie & a funki dredd

Big Audio Dynamite

Talking of which, that Don Letts is a tedious look-back eejit, and I'm not racist - I have at least 2 Burning Spear albums!

What exactly is Lydon selling anyway?

$1.9 million house in malibu last i heard

Can't get more working class than that.

Well he's anti middle class. Said nothing about the Malibu crowd.

john, when yer dead you should ly don.

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented

lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:27 PM (one hour ago)

john lydon and sid vicious were different ppl fyi

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented

lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:27 PM (one hour ago)

john lydon and sid vicious were different ppl fyi

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:02 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/41/35/bb/4135bb044df33619f5a8ba22bc3e4912.jpg

"Good heavens! You frighten me to death"

when he was on Desert Island Discs he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden. His book choice (bearing in mind you already are given a bible) was the Old Testament in Hebrew.

tbf these are good choices

His luxury item was a fish smoker but I didn't mention it since there's nothing fascist about them.

Wondering about the literary merits of the old testament in Hebrew.

he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden.

Interesting that he'd mix things up with an indie singer-songwriter.:P Also, if that means he picked four operas by Wagner, I'm pretty sure that's cheating.

Wondering about the literary merits of the old testament in Hebrew.

the Psalms, Job, Jonah and the Song of Solomon are among the greatest literature ever produced imo. of them I've only translated a phrase or two from Psalms & SOS (and the little Hebrew I studied for a year in college has long since atrophied) but iirc the word is the OT in Hebrew has quite stunning literary merit

Job needs more car chases and people being kicked in the face IMO, but I guess that'll have to wait for the movie version. Jason Statham is...JOB.

https://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/ireland-john-lydon-eurovision.jpg

Imagine an alternate timeline where Tony Hadley and Ian Curtis were touring as part of Blue Wedge.

What if someone had started another thread about Lydon’s politics and the life hadn’t been sucked out of this awesome one?

No suitable thread to comment on, so picking this one..

Yeah, John’s talking tour gets pulled in Glasgow because his tour manager was aggressive with staff.

No news story has named the tour manager, but.

I’d not bother with this, but some comments allude to a high possibility that the Glasgow venue has ‘form’ for being .. dunno.

I mean, what would a tour like this need, beyond a chair, table and a mic?

It's probably John "Rambo" Stevens, his long time manager/henchman

Total psycho apparently

Friend was managing a gig for a local venue a couple years ago around the time that comeback album that was decent came out, she said they were a total nightmare and she almost got into it with someone in the camp

Not exactly surprised that Lydon is surrounded by boorish wankers tbh.

i think he is just an old hooligan friend of lydon's from his youth that just kept hanging around as his enforcer

there's a um....tribute video to him on youtube lol, quite something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUqHd0POosI

Video: Carnival Cruise Line
Audio: Ian Curtis "This is the way, step inside..."

there must be literally hundreds of sad old football hooligan tossers nicknamed Rambo in the UK, they should all get together for a death match until there is only one true Rambo left.

Not all of them get to spend their entire adult lives wiping the arse of a friend who ended up famous.

On another note, I've only seen Lydon in-person once (in 2018 at PIL's Brooklyn stop), and I was surprised by how sheepish he seemed to be when he wasn't on and the music wasn't playing. During a song, it all melted away, and it was still like daggers when he flashed that famous stare directly at you, but outside of that, he seemed like a polite, harmless and insecure guy. I hadn't seen a picture of him in a while so I thought maybe it was because he had put on so much weight. (He seems to have lost a bit of it now.)