So John Martyn S/D - what else apart from Solid Air?
― bham, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bt, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― commonswings, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
I also really liked a track he did with Talvin Singh about 5 years back called Sunshine's Better. I think it got played before Orbital came on stage at Glastonbury this year. Sweet.
― tigerclawskank, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
J Martyn is emphatically NOT a Donovan-esque folkie "sitting on the edge of a mushroom admiring the dingly-dangly-dell of life" as Martyn himself put it. Solid Air is the best album track by track, but there's some great stuff to be found on Inside Out, Bless the Weather, One World and even Grace and Danger.
― chris sallis, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
Search (songs): "Sweet Little Mystery", "Hole In The Rain", "Johnny Too Bad" (long version), "I Don't Want To Know"... and probably more I can't remember.
― Jeff W (Jeff W), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 11:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 13:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― el wanko, Tuesday, 24 September 2002 17:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
The '80s/'90s weren't kind. His music got all cheesy and Sting-y and his vocals/lyrics became nearly incomprehensible (if the rumors are true, he got his distinctive slurring out of a bottle). A pal of mine's a great fan and even he makes jokes about, say, Martyn's cover of "Johnny Too Bad."
― Lee G (Lee G), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 00:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bt, Wednesday, 25 September 2002 08:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm pissed off I can't get to see him next Wednesday at the QEH. Has anyone seen him live recently?
― James Ball (James Ball), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 9 May 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link
Odd night - it was the lack of drugs (him and us) combined with an oversized venue that did it, we reckoned. 'Greatest Hits' second half with lots of 'Solid Air', Bless the Weather etc, but Martyn failed to ignite until the final two songs, without guitar, which he gave his all (Rock Salt and Nails, Never Let Me Go), then an undistinguished encore.
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 10 May 2004 08:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 10 May 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link
"One World" does appear to be getting more grief than it deserves; it's great... The last track is incredible but you really need to turn it up to 11 to appreciate it.
I'd be interested to hear Nick McCabe on John Martyn's new record too; pretty like minded people I figure.
― Keith Watson (kmw), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― mullygrubber (gaz), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― gut buddy, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 10:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― God Buddy, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― richard wood johnson, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― doug watson (solid air), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:39 (seventeen years ago) link
I thought he was great! My friend thought he was massively disappointing. So go figure.
I have "London Conversation" as my dad was present at the session. Why, I have never been able to work out. He told me a couple of stories of the day, and it was about fifteen years later the same stories were in Mojo (a nick drake article) from a woman who was also there. I asked him if he remembered a tall lad, he said no.
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 20 October 2006 09:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― caek, Saturday, 21 April 2007 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― henry s, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link
homie is awes
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 February 2008 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link
We used to drink a great deal together. I got really drunk one night and woke up and Danny Thompson had nailed me under the carpet. I couldn’t move my hands or feet. I was very dry and had a hangover and I said Danny, please… get me, get me a drink. So he stepped over my helpless body, went to the phone and in a very loud voice said, can I have a glass of orange juice for one, please. Breakfast for one, please. I was screaming blue murder by this time. I was furious! He met the guy in the hall, so the guy couldn’t get into the room and see what was happening. He sat in front and downed the orange juice and had the breakfast.
― caek, Friday, 29 February 2008 13:55 (sixteen years ago) link
This makes Kossoff cry like a girl, at which point Martyn and Thompson stalk off, laughing like people who are mad.
― caek, Friday, 29 February 2008 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Amazon.co.uk are currently flogging a few of the reissues for £2.98. Am hugely enjoying Inside Out. Are Grace and Danger or London Conversation vital purchases? (They've also got Sunday's Child and One World at that price at the mo).
― NickB, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 11:07 (fifteen years ago) link
(maybe we should have a thread for cheap stuff on Amazon?)
London Conv is pretty much yr standard 'folk singer's first album' stuff.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 11:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I guessed it was and passed on it (got The Payback instead).
― NickB, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah lots of these John Martyn CDs are three quid in Glasgow Fopp at the moment - they also have all of Sandy Denny's solo recs, cpl of Richard and Linda Thompsons and some Fairport stuff at the same price
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 11:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I got Unhalfbricking, just cause it was £3.
Man! That 'sailor's story' sounds like Tom Verlaine guitaring!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, verlaine's gtr sound = 50% jerry garcia, 50% richard thompson - the version of 'Sloth' on the Fairport Convention live at the LA Troubadour set is especially Television-like, tho' Sailor's LIFE always sounds to me more like FT trying to be the Velvet Underground
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 12:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Talking of guitaring, there's an amazing similarity between the bonus track version of 'Outside In' and the Edge on 'Where The Streets Have No Name'.
― NickB, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link
tho' Sailor's LIFE always sounds to me more like FT trying to be the Velvet Underground
Yes, that occurred to me too.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link
(Who's FT btw?)
Have been listening to "Go Easy" on repeat for a while now -- yeesh what a great song! The rest of Bless The Weather is great too, but that one is doing it for me right now. Woozy, wasted self absorption never sounded so good.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.johnmartyn.com/files/images/mojoo.jpg
― NickB, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link
let's balance out all these fat old John pics with an skinny young one. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Z6nbGySgL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
John's just received his second lifetime achievement award of this year (from Mojo - he got one from BBC Radio 2 in Feb). This does not bode well I fear.
― NickB, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link
A friend recently lent me the 'Live At Leeds (And More)' album and I finally got round to listening to it last night.
The Live In Leeds set itself, recorded October 1975, and self-released as a LP at the time, is absolutely amazing. Really powerful, rocking, freely extended versions of the tracks. Solid Air on there is wonderful.
The CD set has a second disc of other live stuff from over the years and is pretty patchy to my ears. Too much later stuff that was far too saccharine and sentimental, m.o.r. pish, BUT it ends with an incredible version of a track 'Anna', performed in 1983 at the Bottom Line club in NY.
Anyone know this one? A bit of reading about says that "Anna" was from a movie soundtrack and was an evolution of the track "Small Hours" from 'One World'.
I've only ever heard 'Solid Air' before, which I've fallen in love with over the course of this year. Nothing else I've sampled has clicked yet, but I'm going to explore a few others now.
― krakow, Thursday, 3 December 2009 10:58 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.johnmartyn.info/?q=node/92
This story needs reposting, especially for the "no matter how drunk JMartyn was, he still could work out what was going on" air.
― Mark G, Thursday, 3 December 2009 11:35 (fourteen years ago) link
xp , If you like Solid Air then Bless The Weather is probably the next thing to try.
― caek, Thursday, 3 December 2009 11:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Mark G, that's incredible! Thank you for the link.
― krakow, Thursday, 3 December 2009 11:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks passed on to caek (link was above)
― Mark G, Thursday, 3 December 2009 11:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Ah, I see it now. Thanks caek.
― krakow, Thursday, 3 December 2009 11:48 (fourteen years ago) link
in the end, kind of a depressing thread...
― WharfRat, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link
the drum machines added to "dancing" on one other world make it sound like it just came out today. pretty amazing
― kamerad, Thursday, 9 September 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
One World is the missing link between Spirit of Eden, World Of Echo, and Heart Of The Congoes. I can't believe I am only hearing this record now.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 23 September 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
aye, its a great record. allmusic gave it 3 stars!!
― Michael B, Friday, 23 September 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
3 out of 3 right?
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 23 September 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Those mid-period Martyn Records are really great--that echoplex!
― one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 23 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
That's some playlist you're pointing to there.
They all have to be on Spotify right?
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Saturday, 24 September 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
the drum machines added to "dancing" on /one other world/ make it sound like it just came out today. pretty amazing
I prefer One World by a pretty big margin to Solid Air -- the watery dubbiness of "Big Muff" and "Smiling Strangers," the grit of "Dealer," his gruff vocals, Steve Winwood's taut Minimoog solos...there's a lot to love about this album.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 24 September 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
"Small Hours" is transcendent, shimmering peace.
― Euler, Saturday, 24 September 2011 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
"I prefer One World by a pretty big margin to Solid Air"
Bless The Weather is better than both imo
― nostormo, Saturday, 24 September 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
Ranking them is tough. But for now I'd go (1) One World, (2) Grace & Danger, (3) Solid Air and (4) Bless The Weather. Love the man!
― QuantumNoise, Saturday, 24 September 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
Been pretty obsessed with Martyn this year. I don't think the drum machine on One World sounds contemporary though, but that's what i love about it. It's got that primitive feel, like on There's A Riot Goin' On
― Number None, Saturday, 24 September 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
Also, pretty sure drum machine isn't on Dancing -- it is on Dealer tho.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 24 September 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
The drum machine is added to "Dancing" on the outtake/bootleg (yet avail. on iTunes) set Another World.
I'm a sucker for his, er, dance-y late-'70s/early-'80s songs, like that track and "Running Up The Harbour" from the Grace And Danger deluxe set.
― Hold me closer, tiny blushda (Craig D.), Saturday, 24 September 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's on the deluxe remaster too
― Number None, Saturday, 24 September 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
"Didn't Do That" on Glorious Fool is a great twitchy number. But we are a long way from One World.
― Euler, Saturday, 24 September 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 25 September 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTje94as2w4
― tylerw, Thursday, 29 September 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
Jesus Christ
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 30 September 2011 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
Bless Spotify
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
John Martyn, I did not know you until now.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 01:40 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3QKwMzJZSI
^^^ fave john martyn song of the moment. so great.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 7 May 2012 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
when i got to talking to michael chapman last year he mentioned in passing that john martyn was the only person he'd ever kicked out of his house.i would like to hear the rest of that story someday.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 7 May 2012 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
― Keith Watson (kmw), Monday, May 10, 2004 10:05 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I always heard echoes of Richard Thompson in the guitar on the early Verve records. But I guess it was Nick drake not John Martyn that had his accompaniment, RT's that is.
― Stevolende, Monday, 7 May 2012 12:00 (eleven years ago) link
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:12 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I was really reminded of Verlaine at least by the guitar you can now hear under bits of North Star Grassman & The ravens the Sandy Denny lp.
― Stevolende, Monday, 7 May 2012 12:04 (eleven years ago) link
the guitar on dancing is just so ~sparkly~.
― tubular, mondo, gnabry (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 1 September 2012 02:23 (eleven years ago) link
durutti-esque even
― blank, Saturday, 1 September 2012 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
god that ogwt 'one world' upthread is gorgeous
― bear, bear, bear, Saturday, 1 September 2012 10:13 (eleven years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 2 September 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, May 7, 2012 1:55 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 3 September 2012 05:32 (eleven years ago) link
never heard this guy before! he's amazing...
listening to Inside Out
not sure what kinda music this is...only thing that kinda pings are the weirder Tim Buckley albums...
― captain angeroo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 November 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
get One World, Solid Air, and Bless the Weather right now!
― Number None, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, those and live at leeds. the ones with his wife are solid too, though more on the straight-up folk tip.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
Stormbringer
― ryan, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FNSAHUM/ref=dm_ty_trk
Amazon selling the 17 disc as mp3download, £7.49 (at time of this message)
― Mark G, Monday, 7 October 2013 09:38 (ten years ago) link
https://play.google.com/store/music/album/John_Martyn_The_Island_Years?id=Bqmgjpwbxsxje7d2hhlei6jigkq
or even £1.29
― Mark G, Monday, 7 October 2013 11:22 (ten years ago) link
yow, good deal, gotta be a mistake, right? doesn't seem to be available in the usa :(listened to sunday's child last week -- great record, if a bit all over the place. found myself wondering: "who the hell does this guy think he is?!"
― tylerw, Monday, 7 October 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link
The only thing about this is that there's no 'ebook' or suchlike, and all the MP3s seem to have the same Album Title for the idb tags.
Still, that's sort-outable..
― Mark G, Monday, 7 October 2013 15:09 (ten years ago) link
Weirdly, 'Couldn't Love You More' has been popping up on various m8s fb/twitter feeds, incredible song...just took a punt on the Glorious Fool LP (£3 from a fruit/veg/record shop in New Cross)...might take a bit of getting into this...
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Monday, 7 October 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
yow, good deal, gotta be a mistake, right? doesn't seem to be available in the usa :(listened to sunday's child last week -- great record, if a bit all over the place. found myself wondering: "who the hell does this guy think he is?!"― tylerw, Monday, October 7, 2013 4:00 PM (2 days ago)
― tylerw, Monday, October 7, 2013 4:00 PM (2 days ago)
Both links now dead so must have been a mistake.
I bought the Amazon one as it automatically added to my Cloud Player on Monday and told some friends about it but both Google Play and Amazon are no longer selling the MP3s.
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 06:52 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVjEERe1UqU
^ crazy scenes on Hastings beach with Big John
― gotta lol geir (NickB), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 16:53 (ten years ago) link
middle of the day and the whole town looks pissed
listening to 1987's piece by piece for the first time, thought i was in for an ugly horror show after the first track but some of it is very nice. even if at points it does sound like john has wandered in on some bloke playing around with a dx7 and decided to sing along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A903GGnzgyw
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 12 May 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link
I still haven't warmed to this guy at all. Glorious Fool still sounds wispy.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
his best work is with phil collins tbh
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 9 June 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
Echoplex-era FTW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wJevkA7_O4
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Friday, 9 June 2017 20:05 (six years ago) link
one or two songs on the new Slowdive really sound like him
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 June 2017 09:16 (six years ago) link
You need to listen to "One World", Alfred
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Monday, 12 June 2017 09:36 (six years ago) link
omg what alfred
― Tim F, Monday, 12 June 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link
not even "small hours"?
One World is revelatory
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 June 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
Gonna give this revelatory album a spin in a few minutes. Stay tuned!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 June 2017 14:30 (six years ago) link
his 70s solo albums are really where it's at -- Bless the Weather - Solid Air - Inside Out - Sunday's Child - One World. If those don't do it for ya, he's probably not for you.
― tylerw, Monday, 12 June 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link
Solid Air and One World are holy. Can't imagine anyone not falling for the former in particular."Small Hours" is one his most gorgeous moments but may I dare saying that Robert Smith's cover of a few years back might even top it.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 June 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link
The small bit of vocals in small hours is the best thing ever
― Heez, Monday, 12 June 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link
he is really great
― People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 12 June 2017 15:37 (six years ago) link
bless the weather has the field beat for worst cover/best albummaybe some manuel gottsching/ashra competition but it's a contender at least
although i do not like sugar lump
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 12 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
there is probably a thread for that
thread for not liking sugar lump
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Monday, 12 June 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
i learned last night that my friend's dad, an older musician, knew martyn, anne briggs and bert jansch o_O
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Monday, 12 June 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
Glorious Fool still sounds wispy.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2017
Is this the first John Martyn album you've tried? Its an odd choice.
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Monday, 12 June 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
I mostly love 'Bless the Weather', it was the first JM album that clicked with me but, yeah, "Sugar Lump" and the artwork are not so great.
― michaellambert, Monday, 12 June 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
I sympathise with Alfred. On paper, Martyn is exactly my sort of thing, but he just hasn't clicked with me. I own Solid Air and Stormbringer
― Duke, Monday, 12 June 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
xxpost Jon, please grill your friend's father (for info, not for lunch)! Haven't really followed him, but agree that Solid Air and One World should convert the infidels if anything will. Also maybe Road To Ruin, with aforementioned wife Beverly---who also sounds good on John Renbourn's early 60s gypsy stash, Attic Tapes, finally out a couple years ago, and I carried on about it on the post-Fahey thread---ditto about the very recent album Renbourn's ancient colleague Wizz Jones did with fellow vet Pete Berryman and son Simeon Jones. The most specific Martyn connection I'm aware of on that 'un is a song inspired by the (or a) night Jones and and JM found themselves in deep freezing water.
― dow, Monday, 12 June 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
the tune "give us a ring" is my favorite john & bev track. the rest are kind of dull imo! i love that song though.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 12 June 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
i'm a pretty big fan of "John the Baptist" off of Stormbringer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_nbrW5cMU
― tylerw, Monday, 12 June 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B)
I own Inside Out and Well Kept Secret.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 June 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
It's a sweet little mystery
― Heez, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 02:56 (six years ago) link
hello! where exactly should one begin with john martyn?
― joshywinty (josh), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 03:02 (six years ago) link
I started with "Road To Ruin" then went to "One World" and then I was hooked forever. Love him.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link
I like Bless the Weather, Solid Air, Inside Out, Live At Leeds, One World and the solo with Echoplex Battle of Medway. That was recorded in 73 I think and put out about 10 years back.
Don't like his treatment of Beverly.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 06:53 (six years ago) link
"Musically it was just dreadful. It was appalling at that point. It was dominated by real second-ratedness. All the great Sixties heroes had disintegrated into drugs or to nothing. I stopped listening to English music, except for John Martyn who would bring out a good album every year in that period." - Tony Wilson on the years before punk, quoted in John Robb's Punk Rock: An Oral History.
― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 08:02 (six years ago) link
I'd add Grace and Danger to Stevolende's list. Sweet Little Mysteries: The Island Anthology is a good primer.
― heaven parker (anagram), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 08:13 (six years ago) link
Written by Paul Wheeler for Nick Drake, iirc. It would fit quite well into Bryter Layter.
Can I just put in a word here for Oscar Jerome, who has a SE London John Martyn vibe going: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04bTf2PbMqY
― mahb, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 08:55 (six years ago) link
Bless the Weather and Solid Air are probably the best intros but One World is his masterpiece
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 09:26 (six years ago) link
xp - huh! did not know that. might explain why i like that song better.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link
listened to One World this morning -- what a weird, brilliant record.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
I swear by everything from London Conversation through One World.
Solid Air was my first record of his and I can't imagine a better introduction.
I've come to appreciate Live at Leeds (in both incarnations) and Inside Out the most out of all that stuff, but in that period I mentioned above, he put down one of the most consistent runs in recorded music, I'd reckon.
And he's clearly been hugely influential.
― Austin, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
...on John Bonnamossa
― brimstead, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
sorry... the acoustic portion of the JB show I encountered a few years back REALLY made me think of john martyn
― brimstead, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
Who's John Bonnamossa?
― Austin, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
My favorite Martyn performance bar none:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1&v=lE6i_qnoAgo
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 10 July 2017 14:06 (six years ago) link
My favourite live performance ever I think
― Number None, Monday, 10 July 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link
that guitar tone is extremely metal
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 10 July 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
love it
― down that brown path (Spottie), Monday, 10 July 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDMWVr9k5R8
― Number None, Sunday, 15 December 2019 11:48 (four years ago) link
Uncle.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 February 2020 18:27 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLVM560Fok
― tylerw, Friday, 21 February 2020 18:48 (four years ago) link
One World got me in the last week of December.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 February 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
I love that Lester Bangs story about being on a music biz junket to Jamaica in the mid-70s, and while the other hacks are hanging round the pool smoking weed at the Holiday Inn, he gets a ride into Kingston -- against everyone's advice -- to go record shopping. After an hour or two he goes for a drink and is surprised to see another long-haired, bearded white guy sitting at the corner of the bar, only to find it's John Martyn.
I've prob. misremembered the details, but it just says a lot about what I love about JM; that he was from this folky background, but so hip -- for want of a better word -- to what was going on in jazz, reggae, dub, ambient etc. Not sure who/what would be the equivalent these days.
― fetter, Friday, 21 February 2020 21:06 (four years ago) link
It says a lot about how he liked a bevvy too.
― Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:25 (four years ago) link
"small hours" (the extended mix on one other world) is where i want to live
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 21 February 2020 23:38 (four years ago) link
What is One Other World? Is it the second disk of the deluxe edition?
― pet friendly (Euler), Saturday, 22 February 2020 07:32 (four years ago) link
yes. if you dig one world but haven't heard that bonus stuff, do yourself a favor
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 22 February 2020 14:41 (four years ago) link
I do dig it and have the bonus disc, was wondering if there was more! I’m greedy for this beauty.
― pet friendly (Euler), Saturday, 22 February 2020 14:55 (four years ago) link
The deluxe appears to be on Spotify but I don’t see an extended mix of Small Hours, just a live version and instrumental mix: https://open.spotify.com/album/1G8gcNHZxeRUaqHVFyCADO?si=Y9_cJHbnSOScs9gbJazY1QAre you referring to the latter?
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 22 February 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link
I bought the 2004 double disc. I'm blasting the live disc as I type.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 February 2020 15:32 (four years ago) link
I don't have spotify so I can't verify the link, but I think they're talking about what you're calling the instrumental mix.
― pet friendly (Euler), Saturday, 22 February 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
There's an instrumental version of Solid Air on one of the extended editions that is just fantastic. God bless Danny Thompson.
― fetter, Sunday, 23 February 2020 12:17 (four years ago) link
Solid Air is so fucking dope.
― calzino, Sunday, 23 February 2020 16:03 (four years ago) link
I was thumbing through some albums at a gf of my uncle's house decades ago and asked him if Solid Air was any cop and he said something really crap and not very otm like: oh he's a quite interesting nick drake protege..
― calzino, Sunday, 23 February 2020 16:08 (four years ago) link
I happen to have just made a mix called 'Pith & Echo,' the heart of which is "Small Hours," and which throughout focuses on music with a similar combination of total minimalism and maximum emotional impact:
https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/musicophilia_00__various_-_pith-echo_1968-2019_cover-a.jpg?w=1024
https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/musicophilia_00__various_-_pith-echo_1968-2019_cover-b.jpg?w=1024
https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2020/02/23/pith-and-echo/
― Soundslike, Sunday, 23 February 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
Sunday's Child is super underrated, if not the all-out masterpiece that One World is. Was not ready for Root Love to go so hard
― J. Sam, Sunday, 23 February 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
that mix looks great ian! and yeah i love sunday's child — "spencer the rover" is one of my fave Martyn moments.
― tylerw, Sunday, 23 February 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link
I'd be interested in listening to that mix, but it would be easier for my listening set up if it was in two parts (so that the file sizes would be smaller). The same for your Elegy to Mark Hollis and your Evensong mixes.
― pet friendly (Euler), Sunday, 23 February 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
They're streamable, too, if that helps. I had assumed file size wasn't a cobstraint for people now, so once the 100MB file size limit on Mediafire went away, I favored sound quality...
― Soundslike, Sunday, 23 February 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
Were you aware that The Dawning now seems to be blocked for download? For me at any rate. Haven't come across any problems with any of the others so far.
― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Sunday, 23 February 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
This is a fabulous mix.
― Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 23 February 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link
I took the liberty of making a Spotify playlist (hope that's OK, soundslike - shout if not): https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5iFobpwIBwLrpk8DL4bZnj?si=WB0VpHK_TIOWP8vdZMG5eg
The only thing missing is Low.
Sorry for the extended derail!
― Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link
I tend to prefer avoiding Spotify because it doesn't pay artists anything. And because I put a lot of effort into the segues (and even the silence length between tracks, when it occurs). I also make sure mixes are streamable on Mixcloud. But obviously it's not my music, so folks can replicate mixes on Spotify if that's preferable.
― Soundslike, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:18 (four years ago) link
Solid Air is some of the most perfect morning music ever
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 13 April 2020 11:54 (four years ago) link
I love this dude now.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 12:02 (four years ago) link
My dad is really into John Martin, but it wasn't until I heard this that I joined him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFMEiVX_Ck
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 13 April 2020 12:33 (four years ago) link
I tend to prefer avoiding Spotify because it doesn't pay artists anything
The royalty arrangements are fairer via Mediafire + Mixcloud? (Genuine question; I haven't a clue.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 13 April 2020 12:53 (four years ago) link
The royalty arrangements via Mixcloud are probably similarly slim (i.e. nearly nothing). But my goal is to get people to buy music, which in the past I'd frequently been told was successful. Nowadays, people probably just add things to their Spotify queue for the most part, unfortunately. But all I can do (besides continuing to buy music myself) is try.
― Soundslike, Monday, 13 April 2020 13:21 (four years ago) link
Agreed, also I don't like how Spotify switches round the versions of tracks.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 13 April 2020 13:26 (four years ago) link
I see. Thanks!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 13 April 2020 13:51 (four years ago) link
Fun fact: the first time I ever heard John Martyn was by streaming BBC Scotland around the turn of the century. I only tuned in because they intended to quote a silly review I wrote in a program about Orange Juice. Then they played something from Solid Air when that was done. I was sufficiently intrigued to buy said album shortly thereafter. I would likely have waited centuries for such a chance hearing on my own side of the world!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 13 April 2020 14:03 (four years ago) link
On the deluxe version of Sunday's Child there's a five-track solo acoustic John Peel session that is amazing.
― fetter, Monday, 13 April 2020 14:53 (four years ago) link
Great thread, hadn't seen it before. The elusive Beverly turns up on Renbourn's v. enjoyable time junket The Attic Tapes, and thinking again of that finally got me to check this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverley_Martyn
― dow, Monday, 13 April 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link
the electric piano on “dreams by the sea” = most beautiful sound in the universe.
― brimstead, Monday, 13 April 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
Listening to his 2004 (post-amputation) album On the Cobbles and it's got some goodly things. It sounds glorious; there's a reworking of Go Down Easy, which has Nick McCabe making some beautiful noise; Danny Thompson sounds great; The Creator is meandering and needs some thinking through. Could have done without the Weller track.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 13 April 2020 18:41 (four years ago) link
This latest Alabaster LePlume (all instrumental, none of the usual "whispered" vocals, as described here) so far has a Martyn-compatible vibe (notes mention "Celtic" etc, some of it seems Adriatic)-mostly reeds & guitar, occasional keys, mbira: https://intlanthem.bandcamp.com/album/to-cy-lee-instrumentals-vol-1
― dow, Monday, 13 April 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link
(There's also a thread for it, but wanted to listen before reading.)
― dow, Monday, 13 April 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link
Little bit of violin, cello bow down in there now. Won't liveblog tho sry
― dow, Monday, 13 April 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link
Sweet Little Mystery was featured on the most recent episode of Devs
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 13 April 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link
I dunno why "Give Us A Ring" chokes me up?
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 3 May 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link
me too!! i love that song so much and i have never understood why i found it so poignant
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 4 May 2020 02:53 (three years ago) link
originally written for Nick Drake, aiui; it would've fitted in quite nicely on Bryter Layter. But yeah, for a song seemingly about smuggling weed through customs, it's lovely.
― fetter, Monday, 4 May 2020 07:22 (three years ago) link
It would totally fit on Bryter Layter. Beautiful song. Paul Harris on piano, too (him off Manassas), which might explain why it totally reminds me of Descending by the Black Crowes.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 4 May 2020 09:28 (three years ago) link
I had a poke around on the internet and the fellow who write the song put up his own version at some point. Such a great song.
https://soundcloud.com/paulwheeler8/give-us-a-ring
― Tim, Monday, 4 May 2020 10:49 (three years ago) link
it must be something about the chords or melody or vocal delivery that gets me because i can only remember a few lines, so it's not the lyrics. i don't think "what's the food like, have you slept well" or "give us a ring when you get there" is enough to make me emotional lol
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 4 May 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link
Ah! I never knew it was written for ND. Would indeed fit nicely into "Bryter Layter" which happens to be my fave Drake album. Such a lovely song.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 4 May 2020 22:55 (three years ago) link
never heard that original "Give Us A Ring" — beautiful ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/30/small-hours-the-long-night-of-john-martyn-by-graeme-thomson-review
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
Kill yr idols indeed. Looks like I have to read this one.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 2 July 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link
Finished Graeme Thompson's new bio. Excellent.Would've loved to hear Scott Walker cover Martyn's "Amsterdam" off "Glorious Fool" - which I'm digging a lot these days.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
hadn't seen this whole rockpalast 1978 performance before, amazing stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whXY0SExC5I
― building a hole (NickB), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 23:39 (two years ago) link
'bless the weather' on that is particularly spicy, starts at 16:30
― building a hole (NickB), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 23:43 (two years ago) link
fantastic perfornance -- has he got a contact mic taped to the guitar in addition to a pickup?
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 23:12 (two years ago) link
yes, apparently so:
"he used a DeArmond sound hole pickup and Barcus Berry (type) contact pickup positioned behind and slightly below the bridge"
https://johnmartyn.com/guitar/a-history-of-johns-guitar-set-ups/
― building a hole (NickB), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 23:28 (two years ago) link
This 1983 concert is menacing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaDRamS0ap4
It shows how neutered his sound was by the production on the albums of the time. This rhythm section is great. Check out the quoting of Love Supreme near the end in Looking On.
― Pataphysician, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 00:20 (one year ago) link
something from a live album got played on wfmu earlier today and, yeah, menacing is spot on
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 02:05 (one year ago) link
God that is fantastic, thank you so much
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 27 October 2022 20:21 (one year ago) link
After I typed "menacing", I was unsure if that was an apt word, so the confirmation is great to hear. And, yes, this show is so fantastic. Some of the Old Grey Whistle Test material on the deluxe Grace & Danger is in the same vein. I still need to explore some of the other recordings of this period.
― Pataphysician, Thursday, 27 October 2022 23:19 (one year ago) link
Lot of albums here I hadn't heard of; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Martyn Curious about some of the expanded reissues, like Solid Air and Live At Leeds.
― dow, Friday, 28 October 2022 02:34 (one year ago) link
Expanded Solid Air has some gems, e.g., When It's Dark and In the Evening. The alternate takes are not that revelatory. I think one has some saxophone that's pretty cool. Expanded Grace & Danger is much more essential.
I still haven't heard Live at Leeds (I've only been listening to John Martyn for 2 months or so). But I noticed there are two different expanded editions: Island Records version and Live at Leeds and More by Recall records.
― Pataphysician, Friday, 28 October 2022 12:48 (one year ago) link
There's a fabulous instrumental version of the title track on the deluxe Solid Air. It totally works, like a tight jazz piece driven by Danny Thompson's bass. The expanded Sunday's Child includes a great solo John Peel session.
― fetter, Friday, 28 October 2022 13:10 (one year ago) link
Excellent encouragement, thanks yall. Solid Air was the gateway for my friends and I---via a Creem review, I think--then some of my friends found Stormbringer, with xpost Beverly M. input upfront, and the one where she actually got co-billing, Road To Ruin. Then the even jazzier Inside Out was released, later One World was a big smoker's-shroomer's favorite in these parts.
― dow, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:02 (one year ago) link
live at Leeds is incredible, a total must have
― lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Friday, 28 October 2022 14:03 (one year ago) link
xpost Even jazzier than Solid Air, that is. Yeah, I've never heard it! Gotta check the xpost concert youtube also.
― dow, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link
Am I the only one put off by how "out-of-it" his vocals often sound, or is that part of the attraction? I guess I mean his enunciation in particular.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link
I never feel that way about Tim Buckley, for instance, which may or may not have to do with how "out-of-it" they each were when recording.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:52 (one year ago) link
The slurred vocals? For me, that's a big part of his appeal
― doug watson, Friday, 28 October 2022 21:31 (one year ago) link
I was sort of struck by how different his vocals on One World sounded. Yes they’re still slurred but a lot of the tracks—“Dealer,” “Big Muff”—feature a much gruffer singing style than I’ve heard him use elsewhere. I’ve always liked Solid Air. Weirdly not loved it. But this instrumental mix of the title track, ahem, goes down easy.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 11:54 (one year ago) link
Would add that one of the things that always amazed me about Martyn was how he could sound on one track like he just gargled rocks and on the next bust out the sweetest, most delicate “Over the Hill” vocal you can imagine.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 11:57 (one year ago) link
I saw him just before he died doing a "Solid Air in full" thing at the Roundhouse in London. He was carried on stage and launched apathetically into about 45 minutes of corporate blues-rock w/rock-gargling vocals. I recognised one song - Dealer - but the rest was 80s/90s stuff I think. Occasional gruff barking. He then said "Well I suppose we'd better get on with the business of the evening" and delivered the aforementioned sweetest, most delicate “Over the Hill” vocal you can imagine. Entire crowd singing along. Then the rest of the album (out of order, so as not to keep changing guitars) brilliantly, then another half hour of blues/rock crud. A memorable event.
― fetter, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 12:10 (one year ago) link
JM invents Doom, did he often crank it up like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE6i_qnoAgo
― zeuhl's forgotten man (Matt #2), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 12:11 (one year ago) link
ooft amazing version
― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 13:00 (one year ago) link
Beautiful, thanks
― doug watson, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 15:33 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I've been wondering why that version isn't on the expanded One World!
― Pataphysician, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:00 (one year ago) link
xp Good lord that live "One World" is amazing. He used a similar doom fuzz effect on "Root Love" from Sunday's Child (imo his most underrated album, would be my favorite if not for One World)
― J. Sam, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:19 (one year ago) link
I feel like I may have posted that “One World” performance two or three times on this thread already. Not that I’m complaining.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 23:56 (one year ago) link