tumblr rapper kitty pryde

soon signing a major label near you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp7IF3x7yLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SDYus7iKC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SaD9WMkKBQ

witty

whoa

"i'm 13, what is leanin', what is dream pop?"

i've not clicked on these but just wanted to say kitty pryde is a good rapper name. almost all marvel characters are good rapper names. if you are aspiring rapper, though, don't use dc character names because they are all stripper names.

ok, i kinda love this

the kitty pryde name def predisposed me to enjoying but i really like songs too

I dunno I kinda want juicee k to bust in and take her lunch money

this is the creepiest music

what's creepy about it?

what isn't

nb have only listened to them, not watching the vids

idk, i doubt she seriously wants to marry justin bieber?

"thx kathryn obvious" haa

yeah she's great.

youtube is showing me that "kathryn obvious" is a comedy bit from a disney show. teenagers are another country...

her voice just... epitomizes this suburban white girl millenial brat thing

http://www.complex.com/music/2012/05/interview-kitty-pryde-talks-okay-cupid-internet-hate-and-her-crush-on-danny-brown

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/kitty-pryde-is-our-new-favorite-tumblr-wave-rapper

Complex: Where are you coming from? Where do you work?
Kitty Pryde: I work at Claire’s.
Complex: That’s pretty trill.

*stops reading*

Better than Kreayshawn, anyway

http://oi50.tinypic.com/vfb0k2.jpg

i wish someone would wipe a magnet on the fucking internet and erase it

Long story short: the internet.

I mean she's pretty much a taylor swift (per debut album) in another genre, reporting believably from the frontlines of teenhood while being smart enough to reflect and joke about it in a genuinely funny and touching way. I think she lacks all the obnoxious things that make most of these blog people lame. basically just heard these three tracks tho and maybe it all goes downhill from here when she makes famous friends

How are you handling that? I’m sure you got a lot of Tumblr questions and your Twitter mentions are in shambles.

hard hitting interview

my favorite q is "Is the rap game stressful?"

yo whiney, i think you're plagiarizing this guy

i wish someone would wipe a magnet on the fucking internet or just end earth

― Lil Boosie's on the Up (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, August 22, 2011 2:36 AM (8 months ago)

very internet-y!

shit didn't know her twitter bio was "rap game taylor swift" when I wrote that above

which is quoting someone else so I wasn't very original anyway

there's a thread for that that whiney happens to love, mordy: new 77 keeping it positive meta thread to request dudes stop biting their own joeks

I'm kind of offended this wasn't posted in the kreayshawn thread, that's my one-stop shopping go-to for teen white girl rap

dag

anyways tho

Like i said on twitter 2day

We let fashion magazines run rap media & let fashion labels distribute rap LPs, then act shocked when skinny white girls are the hot new rappers

And caucasian women who CAN actually rap [youtube.com/watch?v=FxZbpb…] get NO ATTENTION because they don't look like American Apparel models

er

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZbpbCKKL4

i kinda think it's almost missing the point to call this rap

i hate how 13yo skinny white girls are basically the only rappers you hear about in 2012

this is still my favorite rap song of 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXlJQjaNl-8

t-swift is on the new b.o.b single btw, has anyone checked it out to see if she drops a hot 16

man t-swift is ancient, needs to retire from the game imo

hope I live to see the first rapping toddler go viral on skytubebook or w/e

t-swift is on the new b.o.b single

*quits the rap game*

tbf there's not really any way for that to be the straw that breaks the camel's back post-hayley williams

i mean yeah, it's quite predictable but yet so disheartening

i feel kinda bad that i can't really listen to that invincible sledgehammer song. juicee song not my fave either. justin beiber song pretty funny though!

I'm not digging this

I didn't like that juicee song at first but made the mistake of listening to it twice and then it got stuck in my head and then it reprogrammed me. I'd call it a guilty pleasure except I don't feel any guilt. it's also 100x better listening to it without the video. not to impugn jelly roll's natural pulchritude, it just was made to be bumped through a car stereo, bass is niiice.

riff raff collabo by the end of next week

counting the days until every blog is blasting shit in my ears about new Kitty Pryde Odd Future collaborative digital giveaway remix sponsored by mountain dew, Kitty Pryde beefs with Best Coast, delays tour, releases new animated tv series sponsored by Doritos new indie label. ugh.

i'm really happy that i'm on vacation while this whole thing is "breaking"

SWAG

blogs how are they made from

Someone gave Rebecca Black weed...

fintobin 42 minutes ago

i think shes a decent writer

i don't really care about her existence either way but i really wish good rap producers like beautiful lou would work with rappers that can actually rap

there's been a pretty big gap between the talent level of most rap producers vs. the talent level of most rappers for a long time but probably now more than ever

i think she's pretty good! i mean shes what like 16?

the lil girl steez is annoying sure

i don't know... at some point that line of thinking crosses into self-parody

i mean shes definitely not goon-friendly, & im planning on being hella annoyed by the stuff thatll be written about her, but like right now, before the 1m profiles and bullshit, its this charming well-done tumblr thing

i guess. there's an untold number of teens putting their music on the internet that are probably "okay" for being 16, not sure if that's worth much

clearly her rise in "popularity" is due to cynical hit trolling by cynical hit trolly music websites, so it's not her "fault" either

that said this music isn't very good and i can imagine an infinite better ways to spend time

oh i think shes better than okay!

& i dont really think its cynical hit trolling -- the ppl who are writing about it genuinely like it!

not looking forward to all the pieces that are going to be written, or the shitty imitators, or the grumbling gen xers that want music to reflect a world that doesn't exist anymore, but before all the hype and controversy gets out of hand, I'll admit I think she has a way with style/aura, and that's all that matters, I think. it's all about how you use style and whether that resonates. saying that she can't *really* rap sounds suspiciously close to 'they can't even play the guitar'

the ppl who are writing about it genuinely like it!

― max, Friday, May 11, 2012 1:15 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

i mean sure these places genuinely like kid cudi and the girls writer's tweet about precious, but no

im pretty into this

i have no plans to read anything written abt it on the internet, aside from this thread

Is this the girl who was antagonizing Colin Newman recently?

hahaha okay so she's in a trendpiece in the NYT with karmin

the prosecution rests

i think there is a certain point at which a lot of bloggers cease to make any distinction between things they genuinely like and things that are extremely 'interesting' in a marketable/traffic-generating sense

yeah, thats probably true.

stuff is stuff gotta talk about something

stuff like this makes me feel really old but in a *good* way, like it's so clearly not for me i don't have to have an opinion about it or care about it

kinda feels like a snow day in school

i dunno, naming yourself after a 40 year-old comic book character kind of points to a lack of generational distinction happening.

is she wearing a...yeastie girlz t-shirt in the one video? huh.

kitty pryde is so perfectly lolcat internet perfect though.

i dunno, naming yourself after a 40 year-old comic book character kind of points to a lack of generational distinction happening.

― Philip Nunez, Friday, May 11, 2012 12:44 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm sure she's reading 60s x-men comics not, for instance, naming herself after the character Juno played in x-men 3

also danny brown you stay away from this girl. you stay far away.

re: Juno, MC Homeslice and DJ Hamburger Phone is a good name for a duo.

Kitty Pryde is an '80s character

there is a guy around here called Tumble Cat Poof Poofy Poof and i think of him when i see the thread title.

apologies for repeating myself to the two of you who read my internet presence elsewhere but i dont get why we cant just treat this like Owl City, and let it be really twee and teen-appealing & popular but almost never discuss it

and to the man who said its better than kreayshawn, u are dead 2 me

you may want to bring that to a place that doesn't have a 316 post thread about owl city xp

that is a thankfully paltry number, come on!

I'm definitely promoting 'justin bieber' as soty

i would like to just continue saying "sarai >>>>>>" every six months when one of these things happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljryaTP4YmA

i put bieber song on my facebook. nobody cared. keith harris said something about it. forget what...

i fuck w bieber's 'baby.'

yes yes to the 'out of context' thread, i know

i thought they proved he's not the father (xpost)

sarai was great :(

- does your dad care that you drink underage? or that it's in okay cupid, at least? just wondering.
i did not drink in that video, and the girls drinking were not underage.

hahaha okay so she's in a trendpiece in the NYT with karmin

― J0rdan S., Friday, May 11, 2012 7:25 PM (2 hours ago)

one where karmin is hated on, yeah

can't believe kitty pryde bottomed out so fast.

it's almost funny how her n-word tumblr posts haven't even really caused much of a stir because of course she has some of those

i am sort of disappointed that i neither <3 nor h8 kitty pryde, i mean god knows a rap game taylor swift is something i want to welcome into my life, but otoh those songs are likeable enough

j0rdan u must at least appreash the 'like riff raff bitch im gonna throw out the rice' line

shes basically the less nerdy, cloud rap generation paul barman, which im tbrr v ok w/

any female rapper that can't get lex excited they should just perform seppuku imo

lol otm

she prob doesnt say cunt enough for lex

haha al

i don't really like iggy azalea either :(

do you like Heather B?

dunno who that is!

i like NJENA REDDD FOXXX

http://soundcloud.com/njena-reddd-foxxx/silly-bitch

what about Boss?

Nikki D?

yes! haha i discovered nikki d through that suzanne vega essay about "tom's diner".

omfg i just realised i no longer own any nikki d, i'm still suffering from my hard drive death the other month :(

u need to get up on heather b broski

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk65Sk6_o-I

i also just realised by entire jean grae collection has gone (i'd just started delving into her discography last year)

h8 technology

*my

lex u might like nonchalant

this is a classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saRt2Vhrvxc

that nonchalant song is great! proto-lauryn!

d/lding the first heather b album now

boss was so gangsta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvGj2QCRAgI&feature=fvwrel

choice was a rap-a-lot female artist that was way in front of lil kim in terms of sex talk stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=001x7ZqH1ss&feature=relmfu

as were HWA (Hoes Wit Attitude)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpImj7RI0Rc&feature=related

they were on ruthless, not that great though

man yo-yo still sounds amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EJcJcfkBw&feature=related

watched/listened to the first three tubes. "justin bieber" is kind of funny, other two didn't do much for me. the only genuinely creepy video is the third, but that seems to be some fan thing, so i can't be too bothered.

seems like something that would genuinely appeal to someone, but i can't imagine listening to it for pleasure.

i love yo-yo already!

i watched like 30 seconds of those youtubes, this shit is terrible yo

xpost

yeah lex i figured you would dig yo-yo, she was down w/ice cube and had lots of that really awesome early 90s west coast production, super sassy and awesome rapper

ive broken my promise re: reading abt this on the internet

the complex interview is actually good

the vice article is p bad

this might be a bad start to get off to
and i really didnt mean to accost you
i just really like your hair
and how it's all slick and stuff
i spilled a little of your blood
i kinda wanna lick it up
but i guess that wouldnt be vegan
so lets just drive around and sing some sarah and tegan

if u cant tell ive been listening to the lizzie mcguire experience on my friday night

okay, those are great lines, johnny. what are they from?

just relistened to the three tracks linked up top. have to admit that she's smart & funny, and i just on principle dig her POV cuz it's relatable, cleverly articulated and not often represented in her genre. still can't really "get into" this. partly it's that i don't like her voice or the way she delivers her lines, and partly it's that i feel that this music isn't for me, somehow. not that i'm forbidden to tread, but it's too far away from my frame of reference & interests. like the giggly shit and passivity probably read "real" to the people who are into it, but they just get on my nerves.

http://jokersintrousers.bandcamp.com/track/he-tommy-cantwell

this obviously doesn't change anything
me: dad my video just premiered on the fucking fader
dad: what's the fucking fader
me: a website it's famous
dad: that's cool
me: can i get a pet bunny now?
dad: no

i feel like i might be the lex of "kitty pryde"

i am the lex of actual kitty pryde

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SfDvJqKrdUI/AAAAAAAAAio/RYECiST4G7c/s1600/KittyPryde-KevinCross-sm.jpg

lol

not just the track (that much is obvious), but everything about "he" smacks of OF: flow, subject matter, approach to it

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SgMxi-saEwI/AAAAAAAAAlQ/oxOFnwAyYEE/s1600/soto+pryde.jpg

"cover my ears every time the damn beat drops / i'm thirteen what is lean? what is dream pop?"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SgH8PnHxQYI/AAAAAAAAAkw/5ybnFbL5DTQ/s1600/KittyPryde.jpg

"but i gotta be true to my art / and soon you'll be exactly like elizabeth smart"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SfkCYfK_OPI/AAAAAAAAAkI/xm6gC7AI63U/s1600/ian+pryde_color_small.jpg

"i don't like kissing in public, or holding boy's hands / but i wanna with you, you know how silly i am"

somehow, i don't see kitty (x-men) pryde cracking elizabeth smart, teensex & stalker jokes, more's the pity

every xmen ref is thankfully lost on me

apologies for repeating myself to the two of you who read my internet presence elsewhere but i dont get why we cant just treat this like Owl City, and let it be really twee and teen-appealing & popular but almost never discuss it

― man down (D-40), Friday, May 11, 2012 2:51 PM (Yesterday)

but she did a max b cover

http://jokersintrousers.bandcamp.com/track/quarantine-max-b-cover

oh lord

I thought we had already done teenage girls rapping over the donkey kong country 2 soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwx5A8Z1n0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yd8Kcu6Xsc

She's the female Main Attrakionz - with better songs and a less whiny voice.

yeah, I'm totally hearing this as an attentioncore/camcore/sext-pop/baitgaze/burbcore/bratstep/adderolcore/memepop spin on cloud rap

yo that's an amazing post

lot of clear narratives inspired by actual events/people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOLEiihiDyw

undercooked but much more fun than striking a few poses lyrically speaking

of course ILX has people that would stan for this dumb garbage

Define "dumb garbage" in musical terms, please. She comes up with a lot of good lines. The sound of her voice goes well with the music. So what's the problem?

If Tumblr was a person, it would sound like Kitty Pryde, and that's a good thing

BY
DAVID SHAPIRO

This morning, The FADER brought us the premiere of Kitty Pryde's "Okay Cupid" video starring the 17-year-old Daytona Beach, FL, rapper (that name sounds familiar, right?), who lit up the internet with the song when it dropped on April 11. She calls herself "the jailbait Hayley Williams of rap," and that sounds about right.

In the vein of internet superstars like Kreayshawn and Lana Del Rey, Pryde crafts tracks and videos with wide ranges of influence (hardcore rap, MacBook cameras, teen idolatry) that sound instantly appealing. But artists of this ilk raise the worthless questions that get bloggers' and commenters' blood boiling: Is it legitimate for a 17-year-old white girl with red hair to be rapping? Does liking her make you cool or lame?

But artists of this ilk raise the worthless questions that get bloggers' and commenters' blood boiling: Is it legitimate for a 17-year-old white girl with red hair to be rapping? Does liking her make you cool or lame?

Key word here - "worthless"

not really a t-bomb but kind of cute at least

She comes up with a lot of good lines. The sound of her voice goes well with the music. So what's the problem?

it sucks.

don't think it sucks. just don't like it much. figure it's music for teens, and they can make of it what they will.

it's kind of weird but i don't know that i've ever felt so strongly that my personal response to an artist was so entirely irrelevant in trying to work out whether or not they're "any good". nor do i really care to have an opinion about the latter. to me, this shit is science fiction, like something that's maybe happening on mars.

Define "dumb garbage" in musical terms, please. She comes up with a lot of good lines. The sound of her voice goes well with the music. So what's the problem?
--誤訳侮辱

Scintillating questions from the dude who constantly brags about not listening to new rap music

nice zing, but not much of an answer

Doesn't warrant one.

誤訳侮辱 = ???

Jin

unperson

Doesn't warrant one.

come on, sure it does. there have been lots of offhand slams in this thread, but no thoughtful criticism. which makes the collective distaste seem sort of toothless and silly, like it's more a knee-jerk, prejudicial reaction to the persona* than a meaningful evaluation of the music

* like maybe just guys hating on "girly shit", perennial human theme

Yeah def the problem here is people dismissing this outright than supporting fashion mags masquerading as rap experts hitting REPOST REPOST REPOST because they see internet dollar signs whenever a cute white girl says the n-word

i have close to zero interest in this music but can i just ask - are the lyrics upthread real or made up?

"but i gotta be true to my art / and soon you'll be exactly like elizabeth smart"

this just sounds like the sort of awful awkward shit i have to listen to when humanities teachers are like "oh yeah, sure you guys can do a rap video for your history presentation"

Yeah def the problem here is people dismissing this outright than supporting fashion mags masquerading as rap experts hitting REPOST REPOST REPOST because they see internet dollar signs whenever a cute white girl says the n-word

i do agree in that if there's one thing worse than a fashion magazine, it's a fucking "rap expert". fuck anybody who thinks people who have to pass some kind of genre expertise test before their interest & enthusiasm becomes valid. different people like different things for different reasons, big surprise.

I personally like MY rap music based on what gives hueg boners to the "I like Wu Tang and Gilt Group" paedo manchildren that are propping up the careers of white people who can't rap but look good doing it

lol, i assume that this shit mostly appeals to kids and specifically to girls, not to "paedo manchildren". but who knows?

the hostility of certain ILX clubs to things that are seized upon and circulated by "the wrong people" for "the wrong reasons" never fails to baffle me

Can't believe people on a music message board would value the opinions of experts.

also, i grew up with punk, so phrases like "can't rap" don't resonate much for me. i'm more interested in what people do within their limitations than in technique for its own sake (though i definitely appreciate technique).

Let me tell you about Lil B then

the only thing i'm an expert on is knowing what i like, though i'm building strong skills in challops and appearing open-minded

contenderizer you are being a little bit too uncynical imo

Can't believe people on a music message board would value the opinions of experts.

the fact that someone is up on every punk rock record ever made doesn't make their opinion of spiral scratch any more valid to me than anyone else's. the expert can drop knowledge and make connections in ways that the novice can't match, and that's great, but taste isn't validated by expertise or invalidated by its absence. it just is. lots of vastly knowledgeable experts have shitty ideas, or no ideas at all. and relative novices often have interesting things to say. imo.

Let me tell you about Lil B then

lol, i sometimes like lil b. don't have the patience to wade through the torrent though.

cant u just admit that this shit sucks! i know you think it sucks!!

LOL

also it is hilarious & perfect that unperson of all people likes this

re: expertise, i think teens would be a better set of "experts" to consult on the worthiness of this shit than professional rap critics, who i assume would reject it out of hand

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

otm

also d'uh some teens will like this, others won't

some of the teens who like it will be cool inevitably but none of the adults or music critics who do will be

"david shapiro" is like a lump of cancer cells that became sentient and then decided to spend its time writing blog posts about how cancer is misunderstood.

ouch

really though aren't all humans kind of like a lump of cancer cells that became sentient and then decided to spend its time writing blog posts about how cancer is misunderstood?

"when i finally decided to kill myself, i thought about an ilm post that finally seemed to sum up humanity for me."

no way! that's a gold star cancer there.

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

yeah, maybe, but i'm not into it, so i'm not too fussed.

sure, some teens will be into kitty pryde while others won't. that much is obvious enough. i meant that this strikes me as music made by and for teens, thus best evaluated by them, according to whatever weird teenage criteria they have bouncing around in their heads. when they group up, they'll re-evaluate it, and only then will we get any useful perspective on it.

of course grown-ups in the here and now will have and express opinions about it, too. we'll do this because we can't help ourselves, but grown-up opinion seems almost completely irrelevant. this music isn't for us, so the fact that many of us will hate it is no more interesting to me than the fact that a few will inevitably like it (though the former do seem a bit less creepy).

^ a weird stance to take, i guess, esp since i do actively hate a lot of teen shit - ICP, for instance. in this particular case, though, the opinions of adults (adult men, especially) seem completely beside the point.

also, i get really grossed out then straight guys who like attractive women fault attractive women for the success their appearance (arguably) earns them. something fucked about that dynamic.

then = when

also d'uh some teens will like this, others won't

enjoy the implication that "rap experts" are different in this

its pop music. its all 'teen shit'

think it's ridiculous seeing grown-ass music writers, the likes of whom may have championed, say, rock n roll, girl groups, pop punk, pop, etc, write off music for being too teenage, or imply it's inappropriate to see the relevance in it because you're too old. I mean, if you follow pop as an adult, then you're kind of being a manchild by that logic yourself

the real issue I think is some people find it outside of the boundaries of what they're equipped to write about anymore so it pisses them off

its pop music. its all 'teen shit'

yeah, to varying degrees. from where i stand (sit) as a grown-ass man, this seems much farther away from my world & concerns than most pop. like i can kind of relate to odd future, for instance, maybe cuz i was a suburban teenage boy myself. same goes for skrillex, in its way. and i can relate to pop music made by older women when it describes a world i'm familiar with and/or interested in. but this is just another planet. and i invite the denizens of that planet to have at it, cuz i can't imagine that rap experts will be any better equipped to negotiate it than i am.

ugh, good job being terrible about talking about everything, ilx

you know what's crazy tho is there are like....teenage girls who are making good rap music and kitty pryde isn't one them

maybe i'm not paying close enough attention and 'kitty pryde' just got a number one record release, the front cover of RS, and a favorable P4k review so a ton of male music critics screaming about how mediocre she is on ilx is not creepy at all.

'screaming'

i wish someone would wipe a magnet on the fucking internet and erase it

― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:32 PM (2 days ago)

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if you're getting all hot defending your privilege to throw an internet tantrum bc ppl like something you don't, u should just know in advance that it's nagl

think it's ridiculous seeing grown-ass music writers, the likes of whom may have championed, say, rock n roll, girl groups, pop punk, pop, etc, write off music for being too teenage, or imply it's inappropriate to see the relevance in it because you're too old. I mean, if you follow pop as an adult, then you're kind of being a manchild by that logic yourself

the real issue I think is some people find it outside of the boundaries of what they're equipped to write about anymore so it pisses them off

― Chris S, Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:45 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i write about lots of teen artists. good ones, who make good songs. acting like theres some kind of mysterious generational divide that grown folks cant possibly understand is bizarre.

if you're getting all hot defending your privilege to throw an internet tantrum bc ppl like something you don't, u should just know in advance that it's nagl

― Mordy, Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe YOURE the one throwing the internet tantrum ...! hmmmmmmmm

think it's okay to criticize music made by teenagers for being teenage, i think it's pretty clear that there's stuff "for kids" that reflects themes adults can relate to (finding nemo) and stuff "for kids" that's just bullshit for small minds (gi joe), similarly i think there's stuff by teenagers that has depth and stuff that doesn't

the idea that teenagers shouldn't be judged by adult standards is just ... teenage

i guess i'm kind of doing what chris s was complaining about, but stepping back and recusing myself instead of getting pissed off and hating. i think a lot of teen musical culture gets short shrift from adult critics, whether it be nu-metal, emo, drop-driven dubstep or "tumblr rap".

that's not particularly surprising. we like music when it affirms our values and aesthetics, dislike it when it doesn't. once we realize that our values and aesthetics are themselves open to question, it becomes very hard to say what's good or bad in any final sense. we're left only with "i like it" or "i don't", and that doesn't carry much weight beyond the circle of people who happen to share our point of view.

i can see exactly who might like this music and why. i can also see the vast gulf between that sensibility and my own. since i have no negative feelings toward planet teengirl as a culture, i don't hate this music. there are a few things about it that i appreciate, and a bunch that irritate me. mostly, though, i just see that it isn't for me.

or "tumblr rap".

this isnt actually a big popular movement like dubstep or emo tho. its critical circle jerk ish. kitty pryde isnt popular (yet)

you know what's crazy tho is there are like....teenage girls who are making good rap music and kitty pryde isn't one them

― The Reverend, Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:59 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i write about lots of teen artists. good ones, who make good songs.

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

i can see why intelligent people (especially teens, and perhaps especially teen girls) might view kitty pryde as "good" according to radically different criteria. i don't think that these other points of view are any less valid than that of rap experts - even when it comes to something that's ostensibly "rap music".

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

i can see why intelligent people (especially teens, and perhaps especially teen girls) might view kitty pryde as "good" according to radically different criteria. i don't think that these other points of view are any less valid than that of rap experts - even when it comes to something that's ostensibly "rap music".

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:15 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is moronic bro. im just arguing that this mystical 'teenness' doesn't make them any more immune from critical analysis than any other style of music.

lol i should have just let V have that one

what did churchill say?

"if you're young and rockist you don't have a heart, if you're old and popist you don't have a brain"

i'm just kidding, obv there are old popists (who used to post on this board) who i respect

i just think its ironic, i used to argue for radical subjectivity too, then i met the lex

this isnt actually a big popular movement like dubstep or emo tho. its critical circle jerk ish. kitty pryde isnt popular (yet)

oh i know, that's why i put it in quotes. she does seem to be generating page hits and interest, and that's p much the contemporary version of popular. i think it's likely that more kids have watched her videos than adults/critics, and that more kids than adults genuinely like and relate to her music.

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:16 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, but if you're inclined to view teen girl culture in terms of dogs eating their own poop, then maybe (just maybe) you're not really equipped to be critiquing this sort of music

"teen girl culture"

obviously sir you know nothing about the teenage girl, her likes and dislikes and particular listening habits.

anyway eating poop was more sort of a reference to reading yr posts

really digging this new poop mixtape

"teen girl culture"

well yeah. that's where this music is coming from, what it deal with, and what it seems made for: middle class, american, internet-addled teen culture (girl variety).

you know i actually know a couple hundred teenage girls and i doubt more than 25% of them would be into this mainly because it's not serious enough

Did I read correctly that Kitty is in college?

im just arguing that this mystical 'teenness' doesn't make them any more immune from critical analysis than any other style of music.

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:17 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

o sure. i just think that this music would probably be best analyzed by people who have a specific fondness for, understanding of and interest in teen culture. i.e., teens & especially teenage girls.

you know i actually know a couple hundred teenage girls and i doubt more than 25% of them would be into this mainly because it's not serious enough

25% is pretty good! i doubt that most of the music i like best would be enjoyed by more than 10% of the bitter old collector nerd cranks out there.

This music lacks discipline, but anything that agitates adult music fans is automatically a good thing.

well yeah. that's where this music is coming from, what it deal with, and what it seems made for: middle class, american, internet-addled teen culture (girl variety).

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so far it seems more like its made for music writers bc those are the only people i see reacting to it

banaka otm as usual

people who have a specific fondness for, understanding of and interest in teen culture. i.e., teens & especially teenage girls.

gonna update my resume w/ this

so the other 75% of teen girls, what culture are they in

o sure. i just think that this music would probably be best analyzed by people who have a specific fondness for, understanding of and interest in teen culture. i.e., teens & especially teenage girls.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but u dont understand ... i just posted, on fader, the exact same day, about a teenage girl who raps. and shes not gracing the ny times today. why do u think that is?

i mean 25% of the teen girls i know basically just listen to the beatles and stones and dylan, does that prove the beatles and stones and dylan were made for them?

actually they sort of were! and yet that doesn't stop many white critics from liking them?

things that make you go HM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s2WZv0MXm4

i guess those other 75% have been sucked in by what older people think is important and what teenage girls should listen to, unlike the kitty pryde fans that represent the real teen girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LV4VpYicCE

isnt this TEEN GIRL CULTURE & why isnt it getting full writeups in natl publications??

btw i'm not saying it should, im just curious if anyone thinks theres something SO NOVEL about KP's music that it's earned this kind of attention

Did I read correctly that Kitty is in college?

yeah, articles about her have elided her real age. she talks abt being 16 in "justin bieber", but i get the feeling that she's at least a few years older.

so the other 75% of teen girls, what culture are they in

same culture and different cultures at the same time. no culture is truly unitary, especially not one so vast as "teenage girls in america". and people are different, no surprise.

so tell me, if its no surprise then why do you keep saying dumb shit about "teen culture"

you're like that idiot i knew in high school who would claim all of his errors were actually rhetorical stratagems and socratic method

isnt this TEEN GIRL CULTURE & why isnt it getting full writeups in natl publications??

i'd say that the 2nd most obvious reason is that it's familiar music that succeeds according to the established rules of rap as a genre. there's nothing terribly novel about it.

don't want to get into the 1st most obvious reason, as i don't think it would benefit the thread.

benefit the thread? come on, don't break your streak now.

Ok, so she's in college and at least 16. Glad to hear that young kids are making music now. I'll send a letter to Alex Chilton in his grave to let him know.

so tell me, if its no surprise then why do you keep saying dumb shit about "teen culture"

that we can identify cultural groups doesn't mean they're unitary. and i think that, though neither is homogeneous, it would be hard to find two cultural groups in america with less in common, aesthetically and philosophically, than adult male music critics and teenage girls.

i'd say that the 2nd most obvious reason is that it's familiar music that succeeds according to the established rules of rap as a genre. there's nothing terribly novel about it.

now who's the 'rap expert'

benefit the thread? come on, don't break your streak now.

hey, look: i've been civil and positive all the way through. if you've got something to say, then say it. i'm not pushing for any kind of clusterfuck here.

sometimes i wish an ilxor would be like: 'i don't understand how anything works, i don't know why anyone including me really likes anything, the void is infinite and stretches before me i'm afraid" cause that would be preferable to this exchange

jeez mordy step away from the computer already

xp

ok, here's what i have to say: you keep making ~BIG PRONOUNCEMENTS~ about subjects like ~TEENAGE GIRL CULTURE~ based on ideation rather than any actual experience and iirc i called you out about this on another thread

i mean sorry if you don't like it but getting called on your bullshit is rarely a pleasant experience

the other artists brought up in this thread and youtube'd in this thread to suggest "this, on the other hand, is good" don't do anything of the same personal coming of age diary sort, and whether you think kp is complete dog shit or not no critics here seem capable of asking or answering why this particular person gets more appreciation than other teenage white blog music girls who don't, like all they can say is "this is embarassing", "this is a fashion mag CONSPIRACY", there's no critical thought into it, no willingness to argue about the music itself, the message, the point of view this person is coming from, only generalized bullshit about teen culture drawn from their own past. embarassing.

now who's the 'rap expert'

don't claim any expertise. as i see it, sasha go hard's approach is much more in line with the loosely defined, quality-defining "rules" of rap as a genre than KP's. if i'm wrong in that, let me know.

i think whats novel abt her was touched upon upthread.

reporting believably from the frontlines of teenhood while being smart enough to reflect and joke about it in a genuinely funny and touching way

also idk y old ppl (including myself in this) cannot relate, the themes are p universal adolescence stuff & uncertainty & playfulness just updated 2 include the weirdness of the internet also

you contenderizer i don't see what's so civil about implying a bunch of posters are secretly sexist paedophiles because they think this girl is bullshit

there's no critical thought into it, no willingness to argue about the music itself, the message, the point of view this person is coming from, only generalized bullshit about teen culture drawn from their own past. embarassing.

ironically enough that's pretty much how the positive kudos for kitty pryde read too

abcfsk otm

don't claim any expertise. as i see it, sasha go hard's approach is much more in line with the loosely defined, quality-defining "rules" of rap as a genre than KP's. if i'm wrong in that, let me know.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:44 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is bc of your own white privilege & constant justification of the status quo of discourse as if its a naturally occurring thing instead of the result of ppl's power relations etc.

you're not wrong about sasha per se, you're wrong about KP being some radical break w/ (a different) tradition. she raps like paul barman over the same beats main attrakionz have been using to banal wallpaper smedium internet success.

xxp 'the frontlines of teenhood' gtfo

also idk y old ppl (including myself in this) cannot relate, the themes are p universal adolescence stuff & uncertainty & playfulness just updated 2 include the weirdness of the internet also

― johnny crunch, Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:45 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they cant relate bc its poorly executed

don't do anything of the same personal coming of age diary

ah yes, the in situ bildungsroman, highest form of art

you keep making ~BIG PRONOUNCEMENTS~ about subjects like ~TEENAGE GIRL CULTURE~ based on ideation rather than any actual experience and iirc i called you out about this on another thread

i haven't really made any big pronouncements about anything, though. i merely suggested that the POV articulated in this music might be alienating to adult male music critics due to simple cultural distance. you don't know anything about where i'm coming from, what i know or don't. and in that other thread, you did exactly the same thing: arrogantly proclaimed the superiority of your understanding without even trying to engage with what i was saying (before dramatically storming out).

this is bc of your own white privilege & constant justification of the status quo of discourse as if its a naturally occurring thing instead of the result of ppl's power relations etc.

you're not wrong about sasha per se, you're wrong about KP being some radical break w/ (a different) tradition. she raps like paul barman over the same beats main attrakionz have been using to banal wallpaper smedium internet success.

xxp 'the frontlines of teenhood' gtfo

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the first part of that is horseshit, and unless you can support it with stuff that i've said in this thread, it's contemptible that you'd feel the need to drag it in.

the second part i disagree with. i think it was easy for adult critics (mostly dudes) to relate to and appreciate paul barman's schtick. much less so kitty pryde's.

"merely"? you sure you don't mean "feebly"?

the paul barman comparison is abt her musical approach. there's nothing novel about her style that isn't also novel about sasha's in a different context

i haven't really made any big pronouncements about anything, though. i merely suggested that the POV articulated in this music might be alienating to adult male music critics due to simple cultural distance.

haha! i'm such a simpleton! i don't understand "simple cultural distance" between "my culture" and "teen culture".

how arrogant to assume that since i work day in and day out with teenagers i might know a thing or two about what they like or dislike or whether kitty pride "speaks for them"!

you contenderizer i don't see what's so civil about implying a bunch of posters are secretly sexist paedophiles because they think this girl is bullshit

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:46 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you misread something. i casually (jokingly) agreed that adult male fans of KP were creepier than the haters. in response to whiney calling her fans "paedo manchildren". otoh, i do suspect that knee-jerk sexism does play into the contempt that's habitually displayed by men for specifically female culture, and this is no exception.

contenderizer lacks so much self awareness that he cant see how his 'simple cultural distance' might actual inform his bias about the novelty of KP vs Sasha

oh i see it was a joke, what an idiot i am!

haha! i'm such a simpleton! i don't understand "simple cultural distance" between "my culture" and "teen culture".

how arrogant to assume that since i work day in and day out with teenagers i might know a thing or two about what they like or dislike or whether kitty pride "speaks for them"!

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:55 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're personalizing this in a very strange way. i haven't said anything about you specifically.

hahaha "female culture" i should ask my mom about kitty pryde tomorrow, maybe SHE can break it down for me

actually, dickhead, you specifically said i was arrogant

oh i see it was a joke, what an idiot i am!

no, what you missed was that i wasn't calling the haters paedophiles

Ayo contendo just fyi man you don't have deeply contemplate every single thing on the internet

oh whoops i missed it!

WTF is wrong with you? do you have some sort of short-term amnesia when you post to the internet?

actually, dickhead, you specifically said i was arrogant

i was referring primarily to your behavior in the other thread, something you brought up

once again the subtleties of your argument are beyond my simple mind

oh i see you weren't referring to me, you were referring to my behavior in the other thread

hahaha "female culture" i should ask my mom about kitty pryde tomorrow, maybe SHE can break it down for me

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so you don't think guys often shit on things for being too "girly", or for "chicks" or w/e?

ironically enough that's pretty much how the positive kudos for kitty pryde read too

well for starters a lot more of it actually quotes lyrics and attempts some contextualizing and appraisal of what's being said. that's a big advantage right there

ah yes, the in situ bildungsroman, highest form of art

your point? this isn't a value judgement. people post random alternatives and go "why isn't this completely different product awarded the same exact attention?". I think before you ask those questions is the right time to actually check out what you're talking about. I mean, we've got people actually using the beats as an example of why this is redundant.

other than that I really hope most of these people aren't still in this thread when I wake up tomorrow

my point is that you don't automatically score points for writing "a personal coming of age story" if you do it in a wack way

i think that, though neither is homogeneous, it would be hard to find two cultural groups in america with less in common, aesthetically and philosophically, than adult male music critics and teenage girls

nope no big pronouncements here

other than that I really hope most of these people aren't still in this thread when I wake up tomorrow

FINALLY some common ground on this thread

listening to everything teenagers tell you in a transparent effort to appear down is not the wave

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

my world of young ppl is being shattered over here

oh i see you weren't referring to me, you were referring to my behavior in the other thread

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:59 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sigh. you got all heated and seemed to imply that i was telling you how to feel about "teen culture". i wasn't. how you feel is your business. that's the strange personalization i was referring to.

honestly, if the worst thing i've said about your behavior itt is that it's been "arrogant", then i've been remarkably civil, given the provocation...

thats a pretty misleading reference 2 what 'my world of young ppl' was about xp

nope no big pronouncements here

yeah, that's a pronouncement. don't see it as terribly big or remarkable, but perhaps we differ there. okay...

contenderizer is it possible that your distance from teen female culture could be causing you to OVERRATE the significance of this song?

contenderizer lacks so much self awareness that he cant see how his 'simple cultural distance' might actual inform his bias about the novelty of KP vs Sasha

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:57 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, i understand the way my cultural positioning affects my perception. but i disagree that my cultural positioning invalidates my perception.

you know contendo, some people find condescension a lot more provocative than swearing, which is probably why people hate on you

so you don't think guys often shit on things for being too "girly", or for "chicks" or w/e?

no, certainly not people like j0rdan or d-40 or rev or whoever who are all over the r&b threads

no, i understand the way my cultural positioning affects my perception. but i disagree that my cultural positioning invalidates my perception.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:07 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you dont realize this completely undermines your argument about us hating on this song

contenderizer is it possible that your distance from teen female culture could be causing you to OVERRATE the significance of this song?

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, definitely! that's part of what i meant when i talked earlier about it seeming to exist on a different planet. i don't necessarily think it's all that significant, fwiw. just strikingly novel.

you dont realize this completely undermines your argument about us hating on this song

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:09 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, because i'm not saying that you're wrong to hate it. i'm just saying that there might be equally good reasons to like it.

Enough people seem annoyed and angry to maybe get one of these songs into the ilx top 77. I'll try

thats a pretty misleading reference 2 what 'my world of young ppl' was about xp

― man down (D-40), Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:05 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

that's honestly pretty much always how i had read your world of young ppl posts, though, dude. obviously it's not remotely the same situation but that's how a lot of your "i know lots of young women who really love nicki minaj" stuff came off to me.

unless your point is your world of collegiate club kids is way more legit that anyone's world of high school kids or w/e

i used to be a teen girl. pretty certain i would have thought kitty pryde was 1000 times more shitty then than i do now. maybe that's just age at work - more things qualify as mediocre, less as offensive garbage?

i don't think the audience for this is teen girls though, i think it's 20-something hipster guys.

"so you don't think guys often shit on things for being too 'girly', or for 'chicks' or w/e?"

no, certainly not people like j0rdan or d-40 or rev or whoever who are all over the r&b threads

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's no one in particular that i feel like taking shots at. but i do feel like i have encountered sexism in the evaluation of female pop personas on ILX (and been responsible for some of it myself).

it meant exactly the opposite, Al! 'my world' explicitly emphasizes the anecdotal nature of it! xxp

i don't think the audience for this is teen girls though, i think it's 20-something hipster guys.

hard to know, but if that winds up being the case, i'll be much less inclined to defend it

it reminds me of that "pink and purple" girly "cover" of the "black and yellow" song.

in terms of hipster appeal

instant clusterfuck, just add youtube girl

there was a clusterfuck about the "pink and purple" song? i thought it was cute.

no, i mean this thing (and LDR). i watched the pink and purple video cuz someone linked it here somewhere, but remember nothing about it. aside from, yeah, was cute.

oh i know, that's why i put it in quotes.

you misread something

i haven't really made ... i merely suggested

no, what you missed was ...

i was referring primarily to ...

that's part of what i meant when i said ...

no, because i'm not saying that you're wrong to hate it.

honestly contenderizer i don't get how you don't expect people to get pissed at you when you spend most of your time telling people that disagree w/ u that they're not understanding what you're saying, it's like really really really condescending and lame

but that girl was much younger, right? like 8?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/images/ic/credit/640x395/l/le/least_weasel/least_weasel_1.jpg

^^ this is you, contenderizer

i think that, though neither is homogeneous, it would be hard to find two cultural groups in america with less in common, aesthetically and philosophically, than adult male music critics and teenage girls

Tbh adult male rock critics are about as catty as teenage girls

pffft everyone is catty on the internet

so what am i supposed to do, man? you came at me hard (and in massive, full-flame condescension mode, btw), and kept reducing things i'd said to weird, distorted cartoons you could sneer at. so i tried to explain myself - speaking simply and struggling to avoid insult and condescension. if that's infuriating, then i'm at a loss.

Tbh adult male rock critics are about as catty as teenage girls

― Bandersnatch Cumberbund (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pffft everyone is catty on the internet

― the late great, Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:24 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

truth bomb

i think i'm just disappointed that kitty pryde isn't a flaming queer. like that name is perfect for a baby dyke with a brightly colored fauxhawk.

re: lastweasel

that's a pretty cute guy, late great! if i'm him, then i'm okay with that. but i don't think i've "weaseled" here. instead i think that you and deej were strawmanning me like champs, and instead of freaking out about it, i just tried to steer things back the points i was actually trying to make.

hahaha strawmanning, you're the one that lumped us in with these unnamed people who shit on teenage girls

ok ok ok i'm sorry, let's hug it out

cont and deej are kind of perfect yin/yangs of each other because they both think they're constantly explaining themselves perfectly and are just horrified to be still so apparently misunderstood

i formally apologize for accusing the late great and deej of shitting on teenage girls

cont and deej are kind of perfect yin/yangs of each other because they both think they're constantly explaining themselves perfectly and are just horrified to be still so apparently misunderstood

truth bomb (much as i hate to admit it)

it frustrates and confuses me to no end

i accept your apology, and in turn i extend one for coming at you hard

but hey, work hard, play hard

i think i'm just disappointed that kitty pryde isn't a flaming queer. like that name is perfect for a baby dyke with a brightly colored fauxhawk.

otm

cont and deej are kind of perfect yin/yangs of each other because they both think they're constantly explaining themselves perfectly and are just horrified to be still so apparently misunderstood

― some dude, Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:30 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why r u even arguing with me in this thread other than you are constantly trying to beef w/ me?

'my world of young people' = 'in my anecdotal experience, people in my peer group' dont know why that was so confusing for you

everything ain't beef dogg tone it down like 800%

comparing me to contenderizer is serious bizness sorry

she has 1600 twitter followers. o_O not even CLOSE to popular

with teen girl culture

lol

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3h58af1Jv1qbxhluo1_500.jpg

this is black veil brides. they have 192,000 Twitter followers and teenagers love them. They've never gotten a New York Times profile

i can see why

can we safely assume the "why" is because they're not interesting to hipsters

thats what im sayin doe

this strikes me as naive. you guys are just saying that there are teenage girls who make music that seems "good" according to your values, perhaps according to "established rap values" or w/e. that's fine, but it doesn't mean that other music can't be just as successful according to other standards.

most (or all?) of the teenage girls who are currently making good rap music are challenging those "established rap values". try again, son.

syllogism! try again bro.

also spin's gotta love having an editor who rejects the idea of catering to yr readers. money well spent!

spin's readership might have been hit recently but i doubt that they're doing so bad that kitty's 1600 twitter followers are going to hurt the bottom line

recently = this century? since guccione sold it? anyone here actually think whiney's gonna be working at spin in five years? anyone here actually think it's gonna be his choice? continue to be mystified at the times is more interested in catering to tumblr hipsters than metal dorks though.

i think the most garbage-y thing about this is that the music doesn't really do anything - there is a rhythm to her lyrics/delivery but the backing music is seriously lacking in that department.

yeah her video ain't exactly blowin up. slow news week I guess.

meanwhile the "cracker might be the police" has been intermittently stuck in my head for the past 24 hrs.

^^^that song bangs imo

it does, as does the Sasha track you posted!

yup, on both counts.

the new york times caters to metal dorks too but only hipster metal dorks

that cracker might be the police (Repeat)

rofl @ reading this thread and seeing deej once again getting all haughty over "my world of young ppl". like seeing an old friend.

getting "haughty"?

most (or all?) of the teenage girls who are currently making good rap music are challenging those "established rap values". try again, son.

― The Reverend, Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i'm sure they are, to some extent or another. but if their product nonetheless scans as "good rap music" to rap experts, then it's likely more in keeping with the genre's established standards than KP's shit, which most ILX rap fans seem to agree is complete garbage. to seem like "garbage" to the arbiters of taste in a given genre is, by definition, to have failed in relation to its baseline rules and values. to seem "good" is to have succeeded, to be more inside than out.

like, this is novelty pop (popular or not). therefore, it wouldn't be interesting to anybody unless it actually did seem novel on some level. and that novelty value isn't limited to KP's appearance. it's also present in her delivery, language and sensibility.

which most ILX rap fans seem to agree is complete garbage.

Glad we all agree.

Dog rap fans hating something does not make it novel

no, it but it does make it "bad rap" according to whatever evaluation criteria they're using.

the novelty argument is only tangentially related. "good rap" could be novel too, though likely in other ways.

Thanks very insightful way to say nothing

i don't see any reason for this conversation to be prosecuted in such a belligerent manner. it's exhausting and depressing.

it seems to me that KP's music has certain merits of its own, independent of whether it succeeds or fails as rap music (as evaluated by rap experts). the fact that it's "bad rap" isn't even a particularly damning criticism, so long as those other merits are sufficiently substantial. it struck me very strongly when first listening to this music that those "other merits", to the extent that they exist, are probably not best evaluated by grown-up music fanatic dudes. especially not when their response is limited to sneering dismissal.

that's not a slam, and it's certainly not directed at anyone itt

i think the most garbage-y thing about this is that the music doesn't really do anything - there is a rhythm to her lyrics/delivery but the backing music is seriously lacking in that department.

she's got like one original production, the rest is her finding beats and rapping over them. we'll see what happen now that people are going to work with her.

"justin bieber's initials on all my winter clothes" is definitely a phrase for me right now

This shit about "rap experts" is super condescending btw, imo this fails as good music pt blank, not nec by "rap standards". As if ppl who like rap are.so tunnel-vision that they couldn't possibly see the world in an unblinkered manner

fwiw, i was only talking about the relationship of KP to "good rap music" because others in the thread framed the conversation that way. makes more sense to me to talk about it simply as "music" in a general sense.

i guess i disagree that this stuff "fails as good music" mostly because that seems like such a strange claim. it should suffice to say that you don't like it. i'm not a fan, but i think she does certain things reasonably well. for one thing, she tells a good story. she communicates time, place, character, attitude and culture effectively. she's at least half capable of riding the beat, though she's not spinning my head with the technique or anything. as a rapper, she establishes and maintains a narrative identity and point of view, one that seems authentic and is delivered with a measure of wit and self-awareness. this doesn't make her great, but given the momentary novelty of her voice and persona, i can sort of see the appeal.

whether or not her voice & style sound nice is the big make or break, and that's where i excuse myself from consideration. they don't work for me, but rather than write her off, i wonder whether teenage girls are better able to relate...

vahid's attitude itt = "u guys had your fun with this 'popism' lark but we all know serious dude music is the only type that can be taken seriously and all this girly stuff is OBVIOUSLY dogshit RIGHT" and as such a million times more reprehensible than kitty pryde

lex you are not a woman

this thing you do where you co-opt the rage women feel at the fact that female musicians are usually dismissed as artists to defend whatever random pop song you're into this week is nagl

that isn't what i do, here or elsewhere

but if you're fine with the "OBVIOUSLY this is horseshit and we don't even need to argue why because it's OBVIOUS" line being peddled by vahid itt i guess that's ok?

That's not a good look either. And also not my point. My point is that the way you rep for female artists verges on feminist rage puppetry sometimes.

i think that's really inaccurate and given how little our paths cross on ilx i'd also hazard a guess you don't really know what you're talking about w/r/t me. i rep for artists i enjoy.

The fact that you rep for artists you enjoy in this particular way is exactly the issue here. I'm really tired of seeing you (and yes, I have seen you frequently) using this line of argument with people like Kitty Pryde when it's not something that you can actually be invested in the way I am or any other woman is. If your issue is that you think Kitty Pryde has quality that's being dismissed, then talk about that quality. You, as a man, really shouldn't be using this "she's being dismissed for being a girl" reasoning unless someone is being blatantly sexist about her. It's otherwise up to her female fans to call out sexism, frankly. Otherwise it reads like you are using the politics and rage of issues that don't belong to you to defend your taste.

telling anyone not to call out sexism because it's not an issue which "belongs to them" is the thing that's really not a good look imo

vahid's attitude itt = "u guys had your fun with this 'popism' lark but we all know serious dude music is the only type that can be taken seriously and all this girly stuff is OBVIOUSLY dogshit RIGHT" and as such a million times more reprehensible than kitty pryde

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:33 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I control-f'd for examples of this but couldn't find??

well people didn't literally say that

This seemed pretty true to me albeit hardly truth-bomb true:

think it's okay to criticize music made by teenagers for being teenage, i think it's pretty clear that there's stuff "for kids" that reflects themes adults can relate to (finding nemo) and stuff "for kids" that's just bullshit for small minds (gi joe), similarly i think there's stuff by teenagers that has depth and stuff that doesn't

the idea that teenagers shouldn't be judged by adult standards is just ... teenage

― the late great, Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:08 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Of course I am an adult who relates to themes expressed in the teenage-era music of Ashlee Simpson, Taylor Swift et. al. Maybe vahid would say I've gotten him wrong? I don't know what he thinks about teenpop.

who am i to say my dog shouldn't eat his own poop? after all, he has radically different criteria than me.

― the late great, Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:16 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what did churchill say?

"if you're young and rockist you don't have a heart, if you're old and popist you don't have a brain"

― the late great, Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:19 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh i didn't realise you were counting empty trolling.

if i didn't count empty trolling why would i even talk about vahid

I think the first comment makes more sense in context though.

It's right to say that teenpop (and other teen-made popular music) that succeeds does so on the basis of the same kind of criteria as anything else. It cannot be excused or dismissed on the basis that teenagers' brains are different.

I simply don't buy that adults can't relate to the experience of being a teenager. Sure, a lot of them don't want to, but that's a different thing.

I don't think it's fundamentally different to the way a lot of people talk about rom-coms. The role of age as some kind of cultural barrier is way overrated.

I don't understand how contenderizer can't see that his "this is by and for teenage girl culture" argument falls apart with "1,600 twitter followers"

if someone just started becoming famous literally less than a week ago then pulling up "statistics" that "prove" who their audience is or how big it is or will be is pretty ridiculous

1,701 followers now ;)

^famous

i still don't quite understand why understanding something's importance to "teen culture" and still thinking it's water-weak bullshit are incompatible ideas to hold at the same time.

ftr i have no real aesthetic or sociological opinion about tumblr rapper kitty pryde.

this whoel thing is very much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7zFFmk80w4

caramanica always throws off the hype cycle

god damn i love Atom. he did one of my favourite shows ever back in the day. can we just turn this thread into an Atom youtubes one please? ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynFEQdh9hpg&feature=related

i interview atom and the package for a friends zine once

meanwhile the "cracker might be the police" has been intermittently stuck in my head for the past 24 hrs.

― sarahell, Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:14 PM (Yesterday)

the best is when you can employ the phrase irl

you know lex, that's not what i'm saying at all, and i'm sorry if i offended you by casually using you as an example, it was insensitive and to be honest it was not even about you. that said, i recall your advocacy of the paris hilton album on ILM as the point that i started to not be on board w/ popism anymore and i really started to feel like supporting particular stuff just to make a populist critical statement was actually a thing, not that i'm saying i have proof that's what you were up to, but just that i started to suspect that this might be lurking just under the surface of the nylpm "everything is great!" stance.

though i could just as easily have picked, for example, the village voice crew and their advocacy of certain country acts as a thing too. or, more to the point, i could have picked myself, because i used to give a big pass to a wide swath of rather crappy commercial dance hits on more or less the same grounds (though i still stand by some of those choices).

and to be really really clear, the dogshit line has nothing to do with comparing music by girls to dogshit, or even kitty pryde's music. to be honest, i haven't even listened to a single kitty pryde track, and if you scan through here i haven't even said anything about her music. i'm just saying that the argument that "oh, well other people have different criteria than you so you can't judge" is a lame argument that can easily be taken to stupid extremes.

i could just as easily have said something like "oh well, skrewdriver fans have their own criteria, only racist skinheads can truly judge its merit" but as we all know bringing up nazis is rather overdone and anyway i spent most of yesterday playing with my dog so it was on my mind.

well, that's not true, i've looked at some of the typed-up lyrics and gone "UH"

but that's not something i do only with female teenage rappers

nyt is really ahead of the curve this year

i mean i realize that i get your goat a lot lex so how about i just lean on other posters who don't to explain what i've been trying to get at

i still don't quite understand why understanding something's importance to "teen culture" and still thinking it's water-weak bullshit are incompatible ideas to hold at the same time.

ftr i have no real aesthetic or sociological opinion about tumblr rapper kitty pryde - strongo

and

It's right to say that teenpop (and other teen-made popular music) that succeeds does so on the basis of the same kind of criteria as anything else. It cannot be excused or dismissed on the basis that teenagers' brains are different - tim

and something deej said upthread about not overly romanticizing the mystical qualities of being a teenager

if you're curious tim, as far as teen-pop goes i'm not sure i like anything that only teens and particularly daring critics like so i don't really know what teen-pop means. as whiney astutely pointed out, teen-pop in america is as likely to mean screamo or glam metal as it does the r&b-type stuff that a lot of ilm posters are into. i really like lady gaga and destiny's child but i'm not sure those count, can't say i'm much into yr disney channel stuff like miley cyrus and selena gomez

"so i don't really know" should be "and i don't really know"

as far as my trolling on this thread goes i think its an appropriate corrective to the "use big words" and "act really cerebral and condescending" strategy

i'll admit that the genres i do like are dominated by serious dudes, but much like the field i work in (math and science education) i don't think women are under-represented in those fields because there's something about those fields that is intrinsically opposed to women

or to look at it another way, looking at a field where women are over-represented in higher education (national literatures), i don't think you can say it's because national literatures represent the interests of women more than science and engineering

i think that line of argument often gets pushed w/r/t music and i think it's dumb

I simply don't buy that adults can't relate to the experience of being a teenager. Sure, a lot of them don't want to, but that's a different thing.

this is otm, and my approach itt has reflected the fact that i personally can't relate - along with my realization that what keeps me out is precisely the convincingly articulated teen-girl-ness that's so obviously KP's initial hook point as a tumblr-blip novelty act. the tone of voice, cadence, subject matter, attitude and language repel me not because they're "bad" (they aren't), but because they're irritating to me in same way that actual teenagers are. my initial response was outright dismissal: "what the fuck is this bullshit?"

after rejecting KP, i was brought up short by the "tommy cantwell" lines that johnny crunch posted (and the lyrics of "justin beiber" on rapgenius). they aren't brilliant by any means, but they're more clever and self-aware than i'd initially assumed. this realization didn't incline me to become a kitty pryde fan, but it did make me think about the fact that we often use the language of "quality" to describe cultural affinities and oppositions. this can seem to make sense when we and the artists in question seem to share cultural values, when the playing field is mutually understood, but it doesn't work anywhere near so well when the cultural gaps are large. rockism fails because not all music can or should be evaluated by a single set of standards.

i guess i'm more interested in saying how art does or doesn't work (and according to what standards) than in simply passing judgment: "this is shit" vs "this is great" or w/e.

We let fashion magazines run rap media & let fashion labels distribute rap LPs, then act shocked when skinny white girls are the hot new rappers

And caucasian women who CAN actually rap [youtube.com/watch?v=FxZbpb…] get NO ATTENTION because they don't look like American Apparel models

― thommys got bendz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:21 PM (3 days ago)

i suspect that a lot of KP-hate arises from exactly this kind of thinking, from assumptions about the reasons behind her momentary small-pond "celebrity". i don't fault those assumptions, necessarily. it seems to me that whiney's making a valid point, even as he deliberately sidesteps the things that might be interesting about KP as an individual and an instance. note, however, that his criticism has little to do with KP herself. instead it focuses mostly how she's supposedly perceived by others.

if someone just started becoming famous literally less than a week ago then pulling up "statistics" that "prove" who their audience is or how big it is or will be is pretty ridiculous

― some dude, Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:01 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but isnt this exactly the problem, how she's becoming famous

at a certain tipping point, exposure = famous

I have more followers than kittypryde, if anyone wants to interview me about subverting the dominant paradigm of hip hop my just hit me up via ilx mail

but isnt this exactly the problem, how she's becoming famous

at a certain tipping point, exposure = famous

― man down (D-40), Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:58 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

that has nothing to do with what my post was actually about, but sure ok

well, i was saying that's why it makes sense to bring up 1600 twitter followers, im calling into question its newsworthiness

whiney's assertion was that the statement of "this is by and for teenage girl culture" is negated by her having only 1600 followers and not more, i thought that was silly, you're on some other shit and i'm not interested, go on without me.

i'd still think it was of and for teens even if no one but kitty pryde ever heard it. that's just my take though.

note, however, that his criticism has little to do with KP herself. instead it focuses mostly how she's supposedly perceived by others.

This is pretty much all Whiney ever does, at least on ILM (I don't read Spin - a magazine that puts Waka Flocka Flame on the cover is not courting me as a reader). I'm not even sure he's actually capable of listening to a record and forming his own opinions about it anymore, if he ever was; his obsession with zinging others for having the "wrong" opinions (especially when those others are pretty much demographically identical to him) has withered any critical faculties he might once have possessed.

mc kitty barman

Oh, and full disclosure: I pitched Whiney a feature on Emmure; it was rejected. So fire away w/accusations of hypocrisy and/or bitterness if you wanna.

this contenderizer might be the police

It?s a respect issue; growing up in Queens, NY you either have to kill or be killed. EMMURE have embraced this ideology and have grown stronger as a result. However, instead of taking out their aggressions in negative ways, they channeled their collective angst into their music to create a propulsive blend of unabashed aggression and intensity that the youth across the world embrace with open arms

big lols

these guys look like half the shitty rap crews in seattle

xps maybe its because you have horrible taste & opinions about music??

You don't understand Emmure until you possess pure hate for that fucking cheating slut in your life.
UnpopularPoppy 6 days ago 14

manure

haha, a band i can be glad not to understand!

lol @ buzza

I was going to post that this girl sounds like she's biting MC Paul Barman but it looks like much of the Internet beat me to that idea

most white rappers who misunderstand rap as being purely about puns, rhymes and references can be compared to barman

mc paul barman comparison is the only thing making me think twice about not listening to this

the video i saw today didn't offend me but i may not be aware of the depth of her hypecrimes

her pronunciation is like barmans to me and thats all

wonder if kitty pryde's friends w/ prince paul

wonder what prince paul's up to these day's last I saw of him a few years ago he was a talking head on a vh1 clip show

the prince paul and michael ian black show

(I don't read Spin - a magazine that puts Waka Flocka Flame on the cover is not courting me as a reader).

this is exactly why I don't want to engage with you about Kitty Pryde or any rap artist!

Also, like '07 glory days ILX would have just called contenderizer a kid-toucher until he was shamed off the board and this thread would have ended 300 posts ago

this is exactly why I don't want to engage with you about Kitty Pryde or any rap artist!

But isn't it kind of ridiculous to attempt to claim Kitty Pryde and Waka are points on the same line? Isn't it glaringly obvious that they're doing two entirely different things? And shouldn't what she's doing be judged on its own merits rather than in comparison to rap-as-what-your-average-largely-genre-ignorant-person-thinks-when-they-see-the-word-"rap" artists like Waka or whoever else? I mean, when I watch a rap video posted here or on the Awl or Stuff You Will Hate or the Voice's music blog (which I occasionally do), I find them lobotomizingly tedious, but that doesn't make me rate Kitty Pryde higher by comparison, because the very idea of comparing those two things is laughably absurd to me.

but if there was a rapper called mc kid toucher you'd be first in line to dl

kurvy pryde

But isn't it kind of ridiculous to attempt to claim Kitty Pryde and Waka are points on the same line?

I mean, yeah, but they're rappers covered by rap blogs so \o_O/

Also, like '07 glory days ILX would have just called contenderizer a kid-toucher until he was shamed off the board and this thread would have ended 300 posts ago

lol, i've been here at least that long. fire away.

don't forget it's mother's day guys!!

lmaoooooo whiney

btw y'all are arguing about "kitty pryde" on a sunday in may

go outside

誤訳侮辱 has no time for waka flocks flame but is QUITE INTERESTED in all the hype surrounding kitty pryde

誤訳侮辱 has no time for waka flocks flame but is QUITE INTERESTED in all the hype surrounding kitty pryde

This post, the one you are currently reading, is my sixth in a thread of something like 500 posts. Your bar for QUITE INTERESTED is pretty low.

go outside

it's nice out! i got some veggie and shrimp skewers ready to go.

I can't believe I went out and talked shit with friends about music last night and missed this thread. Should've stayed home!

You missed the thread and now the thread is over. Its sad, etc.

but if there was a rapper called mc kid toucher you'd be first in line to dl

― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Sunday, May 13, 2012 4:33 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he goes by 'south park mexican'

I look forward to reading this thread again in De Capo next year.

I look forward to not listening to this gal's boring music again.

i hope everyone who bumps this thread for whatever reason knows that they are soldiers in kitty pryde's hype-opticon

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SfTJ6A59FNI/AAAAAAAAAjI/uF5YP8d1BYk/s1600-h/kitty+pryde+joelle.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SfTJ6A59FNI/AAAAAAAAAjI/uF5YP8d1BYk/s1600/kitty%2Bpryde%2Bjoelle.jpg

i thought the other ones were kinda lame but that one is pretty funny

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zKzS1ayZ3wM/SfARdDqs3PI/AAAAAAAAAhI/e-PcmHSpVHY/s1600/kprydegraham.jpg

tumblr rapper kitty pryde

i still cant even

does that make her the first rapper who has almost definitely read and been influenced by your max b review on pitchfork?

put the stick down sd.

wheels inside wheels

brandon graham!

^ <3

great thread.

And shouldn't what she's doing be judged on its own merits rather than in comparison to rap-as-what-your-average-largely-genre-ignorant-person-thinks-when-they-see-the-word-"rap" artists like Waka or whoever else?

i think everyone itt who is saying she sucks is judging her on her own merits.

riff raff collabo by the end of next week

― J0rdan, Diddy (tpp), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:39 (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


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i absent-mindedly improvised a rap about the dinner i was cooking the other night and when i looked out onto the back porch riff raff was standing there setting up a microphone

― ✧✧✧✧✧✧@a✧✧.fore✧✧✧ (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 01:16 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's been a ride

i love that some dude post so much

since i dont know much abt x-men this is what i first thought of when i heard her name:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0rV88Ev-og

Based on the three YouTubes at the start of the thread, LOL@ the idea of people actually listening to this out of choice/LOL@ it being discussed in any way.

^sexism

^oldism

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110111170748/x-men/images/f/fb/139Big-_Kitty_Pryde.gif

Welcome to the ILX-men, Kitty Pryde.

delete this post and close the thread with that line

that said, i recall your advocacy of the paris hilton album on ILM as the point that i started to not be on board w/ popism anymore and i really started to feel like supporting particular stuff just to make a populist critical statement was actually a thing, not that i'm saying i have proof that's what you were up to, but just that i started to suspect that this might be lurking just under the surface of the nylpm "everything is great!" stance.

but i have no idea why anyone would think people would like something just to prove a point, or be unable to see why people would take offence at that charge. there's tons of music i think obviously sucks but i don't go around accusing bob dylan or beatles fans of fronting, i just think they have shitty taste. in most of these discussions i read more words and arguments by fans of [paris hilton] or [kitty pryde] or whoever and to respond like you & others do "they're just pretending, this sucks because it sucks and i don't even need to explain why" is inadequate

nb i still love the paris hilton album. such a likeable record

but you sort of do accuse them of fronting when you say "serious dude music", if i read you correctly you're accusing people of liking music for gravitas rather than on aesthetic grounds

i like one song on paris hilton's album, I think it had stars in the title

can't say i much care for the rest but i did watch both seasons of her mtv show and i think she's smart and funny though nicole ritchie runs laps around her in that category

yeah! well you've also got "suicide" as merely "stupid pride", a somewhat hardline xtian sentiment which that indeed daring pantheism x astrology "gods are crazy / stars are blind" double whammy immediately vexes. and then yr everyday manichaean "be the devil and angel too" chaser. paris milton more like.

― rtccc (mwah), Sunday, 27 August 2006 01:17 (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i liked the assembly line Dr. Luke song from the Paris Hilton record that literally anybody could have sung exactly as well

got a lot of love for rtc (and you too lex, secretly) but not enough to get me on board

and yes, stars are blind

haha the top 10 most popular search results for 'Paris Hilton' in Spotify are 50% songs by Paris, 50% songs with titles that reference her by Lil B, CSS, Vincent Gallo and Maybeshewill

tbh faking enthusiasm for something i'm not that into just to make a "point" seems like it would be a lot of work and effort. and i'm not sure anyone can tear into shit pop quite as harshly as true pop fans.

how is it not a million times worse to suggest that someone likes a particular artist because they're a pedophile than because they're trying to make a political/cultural point?

tbh faking enthusiasm for something i'm not that into just to make a "point" seems like it would be a lot of work and effort

i think some people are genuine enthusiastic about challops

uh nobody i know though

i have a personal policy of taking people at face value about their taste and not second-guessing their intentions, but some folks definitely do make that nearly impossible to stick to

it's bc we live in a Challopitalistic society

I am listening to Angel Haze today

her new mixtape's great, as good as she is at the cosmic love stuff i wish she'd go harder more often though

got 20 seconds into okay cupid before i had to turn it off. does any of it have delivery with any real oomph to it or is it all that lilting valley girl thing?

some dude OTM

got 20 seconds into okay cupid before i had to turn it off. does any of it have delivery with any real oomph to it or is it all that lilting valley girl thing?

it's all that lilting teenspeak thing. that's what keeps me from liking it, but it's also what keeps me from condemning it.

I am listening to Angel Haze today

― dayo, Monday, May 14, 2012 8:38 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

her new mixtape's great, as good as she is at the cosmic love stuff i wish she'd go harder more often though

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, May 14, 2012 8:40 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

distressing implication. i don't like the cosmic love stuff much. only songs i really dig on altered ego are the one's where she's in full, fire-breathing attack mode.

paris milton!

rtc is great

when i was in 9th or 10th grade some friends from school had a rap group called Bubble Up, four official members: MC Delta T (that name was some math equation or something), The Lyrical Miracle, and the Nicarguan Nightmare (he wasn't from nicaragua, the name came from this sketch on SNL where white people in a newsroom overpronounced spanish words like Nicaragua or Me-hee-coh or Doritos, they loved that sketch a lot)...

the "DJ" was a kid that played in a death metal band - DJ Dominator -- he was into Morbid Angel and Deicide, etc but he was the one who could kind of play keyboards and so he became the DJ...he just used preset beats and then played stuff over it...

they did a whole "album" (cassette), I can't remember all the songs, there was "Littabugs" (kind of based off of 100 Miles and Runnin' by NWA, it had the fake "police CB" banter between verses about how they were on the tail of some "hardcore littabugs" who were driving all over littering"....there was "Workin' At the Seed Farm" (Lyrical's dad owned seed farm where they grew seed corn for Dekalb I think, and 2 of them worked there)....and "Genocide on Wells" (Wells was a neighboring town and it was about killing the Wells mens tennis team - they all played tennis)...and "He's Gay" (diss track about a guy named Steve)....and "Bitch Patrol (feat. MC Peanut Gallery)"...(i dunno they basically just called ppl bitches)...and "Heist at the Easton Bank" (another crime one, but they were robbing a bank in this super tiny town of like 300 ppl)....

I did a guest verse on the posse cut "Rap Casserole" (My name was MC Escher)....my cameo was widely thought to have stolen the show....my money like was "I got money in the bank/I got girls on my dick/I got a lifetime subscription to Ranger Rick"....the beat was just DJ Dominator replaying the bassline to "Brick House" by the Commodores on a Casio keyboard....

anyway, I just remembered all this and I thought I'd write it out...this seemed like the best thread for it.

I'm really glad YouTube didn't exist then.

oh there was another song called "Kickin' the Saffapants"...which was about wearing MC Hammer pants, they called those type of pants "Saffapants" because they misheard "dance how they want to dance, kick and then slap a friend" part from "Adamm's Groove" by MC Hammer as "Kickin' the saffapants" so they started calling MC Hammer pants that

MC escher

causin' pressure

no one fresher

the impossible sketcher

with loops of pleasure

m@tt you're telling me your DJ wasn't called "DJ Tanner" like the character from Full House? that's the only thing about the story i don't believe.

create lines you can't measure

I knew there had to be some payoff for reading 476 posts about Kitty Pryde, and M@tt's story was it. A+, MC Escher!

M@tt wasn't Bubble Up's big hit "Drawin' Blood"? Abt excessive jerking off?

i think some people are genuine enthusiastic about challops

yeah but this is enthusiasm about the doing of the challop rather than the holding of it, I think.

"Genocide on Wells" (Wells was a neighboring town and it was about killing the Wells mens tennis team - they all played tennis)...and "He's Gay" (diss track about a guy named Steve)

totally dying

M@tt wasn't Bubble Up's big hit "Drawin' Blood"? Abt excessive jerking off?

― chr1sb3singer, Monday, May 14, 2012 11:52 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh god yeah haha that was the shock rap one....bubble up enters a jerking off competition and pushes themselves past the uh limit:

"drawin' blood
no pain, no gain
takin' one for the team
goin' waaaay paaast cream"

that reminds me of a thread i've been meaning to start

(uh not about beating off)

"Goin' way past cream" is a top ten song lyric ever

they did a whole "album" (cassette)

Please mediafire this cassette album. Thanks.

im pretty enthusiastic about challops but it`s easier & more fun to challop irl than on ilx

sadly i think it's a lost album at this point

also it's probably better to read about than listen to - just like kitty pryde!

well, except that it's actually fun to read about

raps that you composed for school or while young

im pretty enthusiastic about challops but it`s easier & more fun to challop irl than on ilx

― flopson, Monday, May 14, 2012 1:11 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is kind of a truth bomb

not sure i agree with that

you can definitely present CHALLENGING OPINIONS as an entertaining and possibly edifying conversation-starter irl, whereas if you do it on ilx you just get shouted down or zinged from all sides, whether deservingly or not

you can definitely present CHALLENGING OPINIONS as an entertaining and possibly edifying conversation-starter irl

i think you can do that on ilx too, like especially if your name is dave q or whatever

i admire & probably try to emulate the way characters in whit stillman movies challop, sort of fabulist or whimsical, but seductive. "you don't have to read a book to have an opinion" or the thing about clichés in the newest one. otoh i've probably done more than my share of, like, drunkenly defending early nickelback singles or something equally heinous

i prefer literary criticism because then you get the author's point and the critic's point

well i'm talking about ilx in 2012. a dave q era thread probably resembles a small casual converstaion more than it resembles 'tumblr rapper kitty pryde.'

xpost

I actually went "ok, scarlet letter that dude, he reps for the Paris Hilton album" to the Lex in my mind back when but then one day I was getting my hair cut and there was some pretty chill dance stuff playing & I was getting into it & I asked Paul, Paul, what is this music, and he says "this is the Paris Hilton album, I love it," and my mind was forever blown so I called up PH and said "I am sorry for judging you" and we cried. True story