review of nominations and VOTING for (very nebulously defined) ELECTRONIC DANCE TRACKS of the 00s

over 1000 nominations

50 votes each

ranked ballots, please

please order your ballots from #1 (most best) to #50 (least best)

email ballots to T✧✧.ESSENT✧✧✧.M✧✧.7✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkMrN1ywzcurdEtrNmRXazVtODFJYXRydE9GeTRhMHc

^^ please confirm you can see this, and please let me know if you think

1) any of these are pre-2000s

2) any of these are terrible gay homo awful NON-house music and should be removed from ballet for indie-friendliness

here is the nomination list, please confirm you can all read it

that should be "the period essential period mix period 77 at gmail dot com"

Spotify playlist is here, 620 tracks long:

http://open.spotify.com/user/lumpygravy/playlist/1y6YgTuBxq8bmwdTnKbJrX

Bumping this for UK daytime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk8mm1Qmt-Y

as much as i love it, 'from disco to disco' is from about 1996.

last night i realized i totally forgot a big one! hate that. oh well.

AND now i've got "finally" stuck in my head. What's next, Tuesday?!

which one, i'll add it

Michael Mayer - Love is Stronger than Pride

Thanks, V.

Would you add one for me plz?

Mark Ernestus vs Konono No 1 - Masikulu Dub

I forgot the secret bestest thing ever, if you like cheesy pseudo trance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVHSDs3rggw

sure thing, i am happy to add whatever people want BUT keep in mind ballots will be coming in so be timely or people might not see your addition before they vote

did anybody submit some nominations that were a scramble of greek letters? i think they got scrambled into nonsense when i imported the text into the spreadsheet

i added 'sequencer' by lifelike and 'man or mistress' by levon vincent to the spreadsheet plus a couple of others but they seem to have gone. not too bothered about the others but could you add those 2 please? partic the lifelike as i'll be placing it p high.

i don't think anybody can edit the spreadsheet but me

i mean, i don't think anybody can edit the spreadsheet except PETE TONG

one thing that could possibly be helpful - if anybody sees anything split into two or more artist names (for example saint etienne vs st. etienne) let me know and i'll try to reconcile or cross-reference to make it easier for people to search

VOTES ARE DUE BY OR ON JUNE 1 2012

i don't mean now, it was last week. i thought it was suggested we do that. i mean, it let me do that. anyway, thanks for the adds.

anyone else have problems pulling up the spotify playlist? or is it a spotify uk only thing?

did anybody submit some nominations that were a scramble of greek letters? i think they got scrambled into nonsense when i imported the text into the spreadsheet

Yeah, I nommed a Greek house tune by Αλλού, it's a collab between Savvas Ysatis and some other guy, and it's really dope (basically these half-spoken, half sung, kinda sleazy sounding vocals on top of deep and minimalist house beat). I used the Greeks letter because I don't how to translitterate them, the record sleeve has only Greek text. Here's Discogs link to the album, the track is called Όνειρα. Maybe someone here knows how to write it in Western alphabet?

i'll just call it that on the spreadsheet - like i said it got scrambled in the import and i didn't have time to try to find it in the thread, but i can put it in now ...

Allou - Oneira

means dreams i'm guessing

based on what i know about the greek language (which is basically exclusively from formulas) looks like ... allou - oneira (?)

which i guess probably translates to something like "dreams", no idea what "allou" means

hah xpost

lol i got my transliterative skills from reading Gibbon

i look at that and see ALPHA WAVELENGTH WAVELENGTH, also i think density / resistivity before i think rho

late great is there any particular format you'd like the ballots in other than 1 - 50?

Sent off my ballot, now's when I remember all the great stuff that wasn't on there.

Is posting of ballots kosher? Or would that just take up too much space?

no lamp just put em in order

1. Daft Punk - One More Time
2. Metro Area - Miura
3. Saint Etienne - Method of Modern Love (Richard X Join Our Clique Mix)
4.Goldfrapp - Ride A White Horse (Ewan Pearson Disco Odyssey Part 1 & 2)
5. Booka Shade - In White Rooms
6. Luomo - Tessio (Vocalcity Version)
7. Henrik Schwarz, Ame, Dixon - Where We At?
8. Rekid - Next Stop Chicago
9. Mark E - RnB Drunkie
10. Booka Shade - Night Falls
11. Lifelike and Kris Menace - Discopolis
12. Kerrier District - Let's Dance and Freak
13. Hercules and Love Affair - Blind (Club Mix)
14. Fuckpony - Ride The Pony
15. Blackstrobe - I'm A Man (Audion Donation Remix)
16. Fish Go Deep - The Cure and the Cause (Dennis Ferrer Remix)
17. Ame - Rej
18. Matias Aguayo - Minimal (DJ Koze Remix)
19. Herbert - Moving Like A Train (Smith N Hack Remix)
20. Horsepower Productions - Gorgon Sound
21. Amp Fiddler - Faith (Jazzanova Remix)
22. Enur - Calabria 2007
23. Isolee - Schrapnell
24. Kerri Chandler - Bar A Thym
25. Lindstrom - I Feel Space
26. Anton Zap - Captain Rush
27. Invisible Conga People - Cable Dazed
28. M.A.N.D.Y. Vs. Booka Shade - Body Language
29. Seth Troxler - Aphrika
30. Omar S - Psychotic Photosynthesis
31. Matthew Jonson - Marionette
32. Luciano and Quenum - Orange Mistake
33. Green Velvet - La La Land
34. Felix Da Housecat - Silver Screen Shower Scene (Thin White Duke Remix)
35. DJ Sprinkles - Grand Central Part 1 (MCDE Bassline Dub)
36. Cobblestone Jazz - Dump Truck
37. Cleptomaniacs - All I Do (Bump & Flex Dancehall Dub)
38. Audion - Mouth to Mouth
39. Friendly Fires - Paris (Aeroplane Remix)
40. Kelley Polar - Here In The Night
41. Le Noir - Eleny (Radioslave Remix)
42. Larry Heard Presents Mr White - The Sun Can't Compare
43. Burial - Archangel
44. Mala - Left Leg Out
45. Crazy Cousinz - Bongo Jam
46. Mala - Alicia
47. Moody - Freeki Mutha Fucker
48. Mala - Anti War Dub
49. Amira - My Desire (Bitasweet Remix)
50. Emmanuel Jal - Kuar (Henrik Schwarz Remix)

think there's three or four things in your list i'm voting for too

i'm predicting daft punk's gonna take this one

They are the only group aside from Metro Area that I've consistently listened to over the last 12 years.

lol dont post ballots it ruins the surprise!!!

anyway sent mine in

henrik schwarz name is misspelled a couple of times once on 'where we at' and on 'leave my head alone brain'

cool will fix

lol dont post ballots it ruins the surprise!!!

^ good point!

i still listen to DP but only early banging stuff, not discovery or post-discovery. i don't really listen to metro area anymore but i like them in theory, i guess.

Well anyone who saw what I was nominating wouldn't be that surprised.

I think I have the most middle of the road taste of anyone on ILX.

Yeah, I'm mostly about Homework.

I think I have the most middle of the road taste of anyone on ILX.

idk i voted for 5 your picks and different traxx by a few other artists ::shrug:: voting for really idiosyncratic or perverse stuff is p w/e anyway w/ these things

ok pete tong added greek scramble to the list and fixed three henrik schwarz typos. let him know what else he can do to make your poll experience better.

I guess its too late to pretend that I've been listening to exclusively Underground Quality and FXHE 12's over the last 10 years.

My pipecock credentials are in ruins.

I'm going to go put on my hair shirt and listen to Hieroglyphic Being until my ears bleed.

i don't think your taste is middlebrow! it's just not the same as what i'm going to be voting for.

now validate my taste

I'm just kidding, don't worry about it. Suppose I feel a little self conscious considering how much my taste has changed.

I tried to vote for what I actually liked and played out over the last 5 to 7 years over what I'm listening to now.

I'm sure your list is incredibly tasteful yet approachable Lamp.

v there's a 'sound stream' and 'soundstream' on the spreadsheet, also for the latter the track '"live" goes on' is listed twice (but one without the quotation marks).

Sorry if I'm dumb, but how the hell do you copy & paste the full list from the Google spreadsheet to Word or some other text editor?

Also, the list still includes "Knights of the Jaguar", which came out in 1999.

ctrl+c instead of right-click, worked for me (in Excel)

Yeah, I nommed a Greek house tune by Αλλού, it's a collab between Savvas Ysatis and some other guy, and it's really dope (basically these half-spoken, half sung, kinda sleazy sounding vocals on top of deep and minimalist house beat). I used the Greeks letter because I don't how to translitterate them, the record sleeve has only Greek text. Here's Discogs link to the album, the track is called Όνειρα. Maybe someone here knows how to write it in Western alphabet?

― Tuomas, Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:25 PM (Yesterday)

Kind've curious to hear this, Tuomas - is it on YouTube, or could you upload it to YT? Couldn't find it, but my Greek is about as good as you'd expect for someone from NZ.

whoever is responsible for panda bear "bros" in this playlist, i've got your number

Henrik Schwarz - Stop Look And Listen
Rhythm And Sound - Poor People Must Work (Carl Craig Remix)
Martyn - Seventy Four (Redshape Mix)
Panda Bear - Bros
The Field - Kappsta
Pantha Du Prince – Eisbaden

― maarten, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:13 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like how you try to sneak panda bear in behind a few excellent choices

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:34 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maarten! MAARTEN

Didn't we already go through a doc and make comments and amendments, has that been lost? I think I flagged a few from the 90s.

i see jaymc nominated this terrible digitalism track

flag them again!

2) any of these are terrible gay homo awful NON-house music and should be removed from ballet for indie-friendliness

― the late great

House music is very rooted in gay culture so I don't think starting the poll by using homo and gay as derogatory terms is adequate.

Error in:

boy 8 - bit

It should read: Boy 8 Bit - Suspense is Killing Me

as a derogatory gay i find 'gay culture' more derogatory than any joke the lovely late great makes. i didn't realize we could flag tracks from the poll, i was just talking about the spotify playlist linked to above, which is mostly great.

Gay.

Idiot.

What? I thought we were joking.

Tedious idiot.

Baited.

Doubled:

Ricardo Villalobos - Easy Lee
Villalobos - Easy Lee

House of House - Rushing to Paradise

Minilogue - The Girl from Botany Bay

just to make things clear

"terrible gay homo awful house music"

^^ is a meme from past dance threads, i think it was something ronan first said which then got picked up by others, cf

awful gay, political deep house music.

― what U cry 4 (jim), Wednesday, December 17, 2008

from the dj sprinkles thread

no homophobia intended, sorry if anyone not in on the joke was offended

now i am not sure if moka was in on the joke or not but just in case anyone is lurking, some of my best friends are gay

The meme actually came from Chaki's putdown of house music in some unrelated post.

ah yes

passion (sometimes misinterpreted as crankiness) is what makes life worth living. without it you are a sting fan with milquetoast posting style or end up listening to gay, awful, horrible, house music all the time.

― chaki, Friday, March 28, 2008 4:16 PM

I was joking. I suck at textual humor.

50 is too few options btw, I ended up with a 160 song shortlist. Ballot complete and sent.

Yeah, I nommed a Greek house tune by Αλλού, it's a collab between Savvas Ysatis and some other guy, and it's really dope (basically these half-spoken, half sung, kinda sleazy sounding vocals on top of deep and minimalist house beat). I used the Greeks letter because I don't how to translitterate them, the record sleeve has only Greek text. Here's Discogs link to the album, the track is called Όνειρα. Maybe someone here knows how to write it in Western alphabet?

― Tuomas, Tuesday, May 8, 2012 9:25 PM (Yesterday)

Kind've curious to hear this, Tuomas - is it on YouTube, or could you upload it to YT? Couldn't find it, but my Greek is about as good as you'd expect for someone from NZ.

― etc, Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:43 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just realized I actually nominated the wrong Αλλού track, as I nommed it without listening to the album. The Late Great, can you change my nomination from "Αλλού - Όνειρα" to "Αλλού - Γυμνή Φωτογραφία". Thanks! (Not that I think many people are gonna vote for it, but just to be sure.)

Etc, I don't have a Youtube account, but you can find the track here. (That's the actual track I meant to nominate, not the wrong one.)

T✧✧.ESSENT✧✧✧.M✧✧.7✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧

I don't get the address :S is the first part t.esst.m.7 or tesstm7?

i mean t.essent.m.7 or tessentm7?

that should be "the period essential period mix period 77 at gmail dot com"

― the late great, Monday, 7 May 2012 19:07 (2 days ago) Bookmark

Oh now I get why it's bumping it back.

ok sent. hope it gets there.

i see jaymc nominated this terrible digitalism track

Haha, I was actually surprised that it didn't get any blowback earlier.

Thanks Tuomas. I just bought that Αλλού CD..

ok cool, all of the things people have pointed out have been fixed (except removing bros and digitalism)

thanks all for your help

three ballots are in - everyone ranked theirs 1-50, i assume?

Thanks Tuomas. I just bought that Αλλού CD..

Not a bad choice! The tracks are kinda samey (except for two that have a more electro/hip hop flavour), but the vibe is rather unique, and if you like that vibe, the album's consistently good.

Yeah mine are ranked at least the top 20 are the rest were picked more randomly. There's 7 of pattern's votes in mine. 22 in my shortlist.

Αλλού means 'elsewhere'

also ordered this CD

will do my ballot this afternoon, it's so grey and shitty here i fear everything i vote for will have (superpitcher remix) in brackets after it

yo this better not be some more daft punk bullshit

Now that I've posted my awful gay homo house list the rest of you are free to vote for that really real shit.

I want to see nothing that wasn't made by a black man in Detroit or Chicago in the Top 20 people.

Now that I've posted my awful gay homo house list the rest of you are free to vote for that really real shit.

― pattern loader, Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:38 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You didn't vote for any awful gay homo house though.

Shame on you.

Whoa, when I nominated that Αλλού track, I didn't expect people would actually get interested in the record. That's great! :)

X-post But, but Ewan Pearson! And DJ Sprinkles!

Sigh, people around here have very high standards.

And Felix Da Housecat!

I admit I didn't vote for any Freemason's remixes but I did my best.

Which of awful, gay and/or homo is ewan pearson?

I don't know I'm not speculating about the man's sexuality, but that Goldfrapp remix is not terribly hetero.

Perhaps it's DJ Naughty's contribution to it, I believe he had co-writing credit on that one.

Trust DJ Naughty.

Somewhere within me the nerdy whiteboy Moodymann fan is in a deadly struggle against the Euro electrohouse loving DJ.

Chinbeard vs. body wax? Truly an epic struggle.

If you were truly an awful gay homo you would know that you can have both a chinbeard and a body wax.

Sorry, I'm being distracted by Tuomas' Greek thing at the moment. And I'll consider my awful gay homo status revoked.

I've got a lot of High NRG I need to sell, anybody want my Patrick Cowley records?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf9LJEGGQ5Y

I need to go to sleep, please carry on.

can't stand terre sprinkles so i intentionally defaced one of his entries

When you move on to a new thread, can you put a link on the old thread (as I've just done)? Some of us just check bookmarked threads 90% of the time, rather than scanning all the new answers. Cheers.

thank you again NBS

Sweet Like Chocolate was 1999, I think

got four ballots now

sweet like chocolate deleted

lol i forgot theo parrish. OH WELL

you want to send me a revised ballot feel free

no it's already pipecockian enough tbh

here's who i got so far

> pattern loader
> lamp fyi
> moka
> matt p

please don't let their awful taste ruin this poll!

VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN

;-)

Azzido Da Bass is 90s

I love 'Barbara Morgenstern', but it's not really danceable is it? Maybe I'm wrong. Don't want to open up that debate again though!

Exactly my thoughts on Barbara Morgan's turn too.

ok i'll get those when i get back from lunch

done, done and done

barbara morgenstern fans feel free to make a case for re-inclusion

Well, there's plenty of other stuff on the list that's not danceable: Deepchord, Voices from the Lake, Fever Ray, The Fires of Ork, Panda Bear, Pole, etc. So if you want to remove Barbara Panther, you should remove all those others too.

Don't want to open up that debate again though!

― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:42 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok tuomas i removed fever ray, fires of ork, panda bear and pole

motion to remove deepchord and vftl rejected

anything else you want removed?

motion to remove deepchord and vftl rejected

Why? They aren't any more danceable than the Barbara Morgenstern tracks I nominated.

why? common sense, that's why.

now use those down votes sparingly tuomas, i'm going to weigh any other requests you have very carefully, four down votes is a hell of a lot more than i intend to give anyone else, so consider yourself lucky.

What "common sense"? What does that even mean?

we already know you don't know, tuomas, don't beat a dead horse

FWIW, I'm not for removing anything from the list; I don't really like the idea that this poll should correspond to a specific aesthetic of electronic music that's defined by the bobbins crew, and that stuff that's outside this aesthetic gets removed, even though people had nominated those tunes.

well, that's going to happen anyway based on the voting, isn't it?

anyway, if you don't like it, don't vote, feel free to organize a boycott, etc

or come up w/ a better argument than finger-pointing for why an artist pitchfork described as one of the leading exponents of the "synthification of indie pop" should be included in the poll

tell you what tuomas, on the off-chance that i'm being unfair to you (because your faux-naif posting style irritates me) i'm going to add morgenstern back to the list

BUT i'm NOT going to add the ones you x'd out back to the list ... don't know how you do it in finland, but in america we hardmen choose our words carefully.

let that be a lesson to you

>:-(

ok barbara's back

rip panda bear

or come up w/ a better argument than finger-pointing for why an artist pitchfork described as one of the leading exponents of the "synthification of indie pop" should be included in the poll

Because, like I already said in the nomination thread, the track I nominated is purely electronic with no singing or "real" instruments. Yeah, I know B. Morgenstern also has tunes that are more pop than electronic music, but I wasn't gonna vote for those.

(xx-post)

rip panda bear

I only listened to this track for the first time while going through the nominations list, and I have to say I'm completely baffled why someone would nominate it in an electronic music poll. It sounds like bad imitation of psychedelic-era Beatles or something.

I mean, if someone considers it electronic music, that's fine by me, but I just don't get it...

how about this

from now on, if anybody wants anything deleted, post a youtube link and i'll be the judge

for example ...

in america, there's a show called sesame street, which sometimes asks children to play a game called "One of These Things Is Not Like The Other"

why don't you play and tell me which one of these things *doesn't* have a 4x4 dance beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuDNKfd_WFk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ClkDbLXvdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8DKusXE1S0

i'm sorry if you think i'm being mean, tuomas, but when you play dumb i'm gripped by an urge to treat you as if you actually were dumb

i am actually sorry, though, i know i'm being trollish and grouchy

Yeah, I know those tracks have a 4/4 beat. So do many tracks by Pole or Barbara Morgenstern or Monolake, but I still don't see Deepchord or Voices from the Lake as any more dance music than the aforementioned three. They all use just the form of dance music, as a lot electronic producers who do "head" music have done before. I just can't imagine people dancing to Deepchord at a club, but maybe that's just me?

Anyway, my actual point was that the line between dancey and non-dancey electronic music is sometimes so thin that to me it seems like futile exercise to try to disqualify certain tunes because they're not "danceable" enough. I can understand leaving out stuff that's clearly more in the pop song than dance track mold, or things that seem to be in another genre altogether (like that Panda Bear song), but I can't really see any qualitative difference between artists like, say, Deepchord and Pole that would rule out the latter.

Those echospace tracks are definitely danceable - have you never been to a night playing dub techno? The voices from the lake tracks would sit in a Dozzy set (obviously!)

really?

i mean, you're serious?

*frowns, scratches tilted head w/ one hand while putting other hand akimbo on waist, as thought bubble with giant question mark forms in air*

xpost to krayzee t

you can tap your foot to those deep chord tracks, right? that's called a backbeat. that fires of ork track has no backbeat.

Well yeah, but I wasn't talking about The Fires of Ork, which is pretty obviously ambient.

However, if you can tap your feet to Deepchord, surely you can do the same to these too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoUmqUNlX2M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKSwDhxujc

I think my big problem with the Morgenstern track is that the tempo is all wrong. It's about 90 bpm, most dance floor music is 115-135bpm. Yes, you can dance, but you can't Dance.

Pole is about 110 bpm, but the bass is half speed, so the feel is way off. I've heard Pole playing live in Room1 in Fabric on a Saturday night. It was great, but there was very little dancing.

Listening to those Echospace tracks directly after the Pole track and they now sound like nuclear techno.

The mistake is trying to find a single line where "electronic dance" stops and starts.

There isn't one.

Think of it more like a venn diagram with about 6 overlapping circles. At some point particular selections are just within too few of those circles to seem like a good fit.

Morgenstern is clearly within a more indie-pop/post-IDM tradition than is Echochord / Voices From The Lake. This means that she's at a bit of a disadvantage even when operating in the same tempo etc.

That said from memory her remix of Ellen Allien's "Stadtkind" was a pearler. So I'd be reluctant to rule her out except on a track by track basis.

think of it as a sphere w its center everywhere an it's circumference nowhere

the idea of ranking 50 tracks was too daunting

so i am uploading my top 50 tracks to special software where i will compare two tracks side-by-side, tournament style, and then it'll spit out a ranking

FUTURE

sure but how do you form the brackets?

tournament style isn't actually the right way to put it, it actually uses a sorting algorithm (quicksort)

so in order for the ranking to be valid, my comparisons have to be transitive

which, ha ha

Think of it more like a venn diagram with about 6 overlapping circles. At some point particular selections are just within too few of those circles to seem like a good fit.

I agree, that's why I think artists like Pole and Monolake, as well as some of B. Morgenstern's tracks, fit here. They're not necessarily super dancey, but they clearly share enough reference points with "pure" techno and house to fit in the same aesthetic. Whereas someone like, say, Fever Ray has a totally different lineage, even if her music is electronic and has beats.

Girl in the fever ray video is dancing! I wont defend it tho because I nommed it and said I didnt mind if they were removed because I wouldnt vote for it same with boc but it seems nobody cared and they ended up in the final list either way.

did you not get ballot?

Got my shortlist down to 50, just need to sort out the order. There's tonnes of stuff on the noms list I've never heard and I will try and get through it all eventually but might just stick with tracks I already know and love.

The Spotify list has the wrong Der Zyklus track (Spotify listing error it seems) it should be this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBKRYBwguqk

Definite top 10 for me.

The mislabelled track on spotify is actually swapped over with "Die Dämmerung Von Nanotech".

Ha, that's annoying! You're welcome to delete that track from the playlist - anyone can edit it

I'd forgotten how much I like Brutalga Square. I've probably ony listened to it several times since it was being played in clubs in years and in my mind I thought the years wouldn't have been kind. I guess it helps that while it was played in Minimal circles, it isn't really Minimal.

Don't Feed the Cat now sounds like a very lazy retread of Brutalga however.

crackle box i did not receive a ballot from you

in fact i haven't received *any* new ballots since yesterday ... so ... VOTE VOTE VOTE

Well, I've wittled it down to 380 at the moment! We've got another 3 weeks though?

Just sent my ballot, did you receive?

indeed i did

also you have until june 1st to submit yr ballot and possibly later if you forget that date but i will start tabulating on june 2nd and finish when i finish

crackle box ballots go to

THE period ESSENTIAL period MIX period 77 at GMAIL dot COM

A (presumably) unintended side effect of this poll is that I've been ploughing through the spotify playlist, got as far as Azzido da Bass, and suddenly remembered this advert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39LvqbPPpys&feature=related

so we won't discuss the legibility (is that the right word?) of !!! and the likes?

Can't believe that all this time I forgot the Prince Language remix of Into the Night! Which is to say, it'll be on my ballot no question.

eligibility

legibility means whether you can understand something (if you can't, it's illegible) usually in a visual sense (handwriting)

are those !!! tracks mostly guitar or mostly synth?

we can discuss !!! it if you like but rather than people say "what about ..." and me have to go look it up and make a ruling i would rather people throw out arguments about whatever they think should be removed, preferably w/ youtube links, which "the community" can then look at and discuss, i don't really care to be the chief inspector of nominations or whatever

puritanical NIMBYism and <20 tracks i could really get behind means i'm going to flake out on this. es tut mir Leid. i hang my head. ;_;

mmm since we've definitely struck down < 30 tracks from the original nomination list i think you have nobody but yourself to blame

OTOH if you (or anybody else) wants to do a write-in ballot or add to the nomination list i'm not opposed

i do wonder if you were to add 30+ nominations that you could get behind without fear of NIMBYism (which i'm not is the right term) what those nominations would be

miniologue that's a nice way to give me feedback - should be minilogue

in the end (i want you to cry) tensnake - artist and title back to front

got em

how many ballots so far?

same as before, no new ballots

VOTE PEOPLE VOTE

in other news i just sent a professional email to a stranger from the email i am using for this poll, god damn you google multiple sign-in

I will vote in the fullness of time

yeah sorry, it's a problem w/ me, not the poll, can't get behind anything right now.

working on it

I voted! And I managed to be surprisingly purist in my ballot too.

Looking at my selections though, I'm simultaneously struck by the sheer wealth of musical quality it presents as well as how seemingly pedestrian my tastes are.

Bring on the 90s poll amirite!

(obviously not right away, of course)

i'm more excited for the 88-99 poll too

going back a few days here but TLG misquoted teh 1st appearance of the gay homo house meme:

for the record, Buttez/Pato is one of my favorite posters ever.

-- gr8080, Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

you are not only into terrible, gay, homo, awful, house, music but you are also a complete homo and suck tons of penis.

― chaki, Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:35 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its the comma between "house" and "music" that made it stick imo

otm

chaki or gr8080?

Oh man, I'm going to have to listen to soooo much techno before the 90s poll.

I just got stuck on the X-101 through X-103 series and I'm going to be at a loss to figure out which tracks to vote for.

Hey late great or any of the dance thread regulars, if you want to add me on Facebook I think I'm the only friend of Tim or the Reverend with this first name.

i would but i'm not friends with anybody on facebook ;_;

Well I post almost everything on my Facebook that I post here so you're not really missing out.

Except for some topical Wisconsin related humor.

chaki or gr8080?

ha, the comma

Aargh, again I curse Canada's hate for Spotify.

isnt it the other way around

Oh, maybe. I was kind of assuming it was an issue of anal copyright law (even though Grooveshark is fine) but maybe you're right.

dan perry to thread

the late great did you get my vote? i voted i think i know i made a list

i encourage everyone not to vote btw since the fewer ppl who force the official list from my own ballot the better

hi late great, I don't know when will I get the time to go through the list and vote but please don't start without me.

holy fuck i just discovered that jlc remix of britney :-O

...and acid washed 'general motors'

i'm more excited for the 88-99 poll too

I promised to do the 90s poll, but I'm not sure what time period it should cover. Including the late 80s makes sense in that the the electronic dance music boom of the early 90s began then. But how far back should we go? To 1988, with "Good Life", "Theme from S-Express", "Bango (To the Batmobile)", etc? To 1987, with "Acid Tracks", "Strings of Life", "Pump Up the Volume" "The Promised Land", etc? To 1986, with "Your Love", "Love Can't Turn Around", "Can You Feel It", etc? Or even further, to include early house, Cybotron & Model 500, electro? Or should it just be 1990-1999 so it's simpler? Maybe a separate poll for 80s dance music?

since i want you to be able to continue posting in interrogatory sentences i'm going to arbitrarily declare the poll will include everything published after "sharevari"

88-93 / 94-99

best of dance poll 88-93 (house ONLY!)
best of dance poll 88-93 (acid ONLY!)
best of dance poll 88-93 (bleep ONLY!)
best of dance poll 88-93 (jack tracks ONLY!)

techno 1979-1999 (detroit influenced)
techno 1979-1999 (not detroit influenced)

yes i think splitting the poll into pieces might clarify matters

Right, going to try to chop my shortlist of 66 into a top 50...

...on closer inspection, several of these (run into flowers, silver screen shower scene, dooms night, fix my sink) are not the versions I like

which are the versions you like?

you can do write-in votes for other versions if you like.

No - I need to get rid of something

Well I'm pretty sure dooms night is '99.

Who sneaked Midi Rain on there? It's from 1991!

VOTE VOTE VOTE

7 days left

I've still got to trim out 200 tracks! That's down from 300 last week.

stop whining and VOTE VOTE VOTE

this is hard

and i haven't even started trying to put them in order

voted

six days left VOTE VOTE VOTE

struck by how seemingly pedestrian my tastes are
How I feel every day tbh. That said, I will get my votes in at some point in the next couple of days - need to catch up with a few more of the tunes from the noms list that I don't know first.

How did I forget to nominate "Another Girl."

Should have really trawled through the spreadsheet earlier - went through looking for anything I may have missed while compiling my list, and none of the tracks I nominated back in this post were visible. Oh well, voting for most of them anyway.

(Took me till I reached the lack of Shit Robot's "Triumph" in the spreadsheet to make me do a double-take, though)

that's too bad! how did that happen? neighborhood and 138 trek just HAVE to be there.

added those nominations etc

have got my longlist down to 120, don't think I'm going to manage to listen to everything in the next few days

is there an additions list for all the nominations that have been added since this thread started?

nope

RIP

Voted. Putting it together was a lot of fun, it reminded me of (a) how much I love lists and (b) how difficult I find it to make good ones.

TWO DAYS LEFT

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

Did you get my ballot, btw?

got 10 ballots in so far from

andy m
cracklebox
edb
jibe
lamp fyi
matt p
moka
nasty brutish & short
siah
tuomas

would really like to have 5x as many, at least!

VOTE VOTE VOTE

Kassem Mosse Workshop 12 A1 is on the spreadsheet twice fwiw.

I'll get on mine. Just a little whittling to do.

Down to 80 now!

got a vote from mind take

COME ON YOU SLAGZZ

so. excited.

it's not going to be very exciting with only 11 votes

>:-(

I am going to attempt to onerous task of constructing a ballot from my hospital bed, just for you V.

I am def planning to vote.

i am whittlin' it down

:-(

feel better tim

Yeah, best wishes Tim. Be healthy.

Oh I'm going home tomorrow, no dramas, just saying that I'm on the case.

Okay, I've voted.

Ballot in. Left a bunch of stuff I nominated off, rediscovered the Luomo remix of Black Dice's "Smiling Off" and gave that some love instead - good fallback when DJing a mid-00s gallery opening.

I'm going to try and vote tonight but it's probably worth extending the deadline rather than running a poll with a tiny number of voters?

I have a shortlist of 80 now but I agree with extending the deadline because 1000+ nominations is so daunting.

Amazed potential high-placers LCD's Yeah and Katy B's On a Mission aren't in there but I guess I should have nominated them myself instead of kvetching now.

Get well soon Tim.

terrence parker - your love

is from 1996 btw

didnt see all the kdjs but j.a.n is 90s also

i think "yeah" is not electronic enough and "on a mission" is too pop for our participants

i would consider extending the deadline but i would want a roll call of who needs an extension, so that i know when to start counting ballots.

The thing with a theme like this, unlike a single-artist poll, is that there are so many factions - there are producers, labels, even genres I've ignored entirely and I'm sure that will be the case for a lot of voters, so you need a certain number of voters before any meaningful overlap will occur. I can see most of my tracks dying a lonely death if there are less than 20 ballots.

just sent in my ballot too.
at some point I had to stop splitting hairs between adjacent tunes out of the 50 and hope for approx current favour/ranking within around 10 spots, except for the all important Top 5/Top 10. loved hearing (relistening to) many of these tunes again!

^
this

i'll have one in within the next couple of hours. surprisingly happy with it. ps. midi rain 'always' was a biggish revival tune for ellen allien amongst others but is from like 1991.

I vote for extension

so do I

whatever i just scanned the list and made a shortlist of the ones i could hum (about 75) and then just got rid of the microhouse

ok here is something i am thinking - in the meantime, could we crowd-source the composer and label for each track?

then we could also tabulate top artists and top labels

For whatever it's worth, even though I'm a fan of Avalanches/Basement Jaxx/Daft Punk/The Knife/LCD Soundsystem, I'm probably gonna leave that stuff off.

sent

:_D

I vote for extension

― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so do I

― boxedjoy, Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes.

I've got swept up in a lot of stuff this week I didn't count on. I can still dash one off but it won't be as considered as I'd like. So yes, an extension if at all possible.

extension would be great

Working on my ballet now

plie-se extend

Gonna hit the original deadline I think (a bit of a rarity for me in all aspects of life!)

Inflation really stands up I think, what an atmosphere that track has, it's very, ahem, cough, cinematic.

some how i never noticed this until now. but no 'love story'? pffft.

Working on my ballet now

Ahhh, I knew I should have nominated something from Shut Up and Dance!

I kind of hate Mathew Jonson, but I'm finding it really hard to remove Marionette from my list, despite it being a completely joyless experience to dance to.

Removing it 'cause I've got so many Cobblestone Jazz tracks in there and I much prefer those to dance to.

there's always typerope!

done! that was emotional.

Nah, that went out far earlier. I find his solo stuff a little too dry. If there was any solo effort of his I'd pick, it would be this remix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CFL60yk0rw

Anyway, this was super tough, but going through the list brought up a few "so THATS what that track was called" moments and a few new discoveries. These are the closest eleven to making it, that I had to cut off in the end.

kassem mosse - 12 a1
akufen - deck the house
donato dozzy - gol
akufen - skidoos
efdemin - lohn & brot
mosca - bax
blawan - getting me down
cottam - 003b
mala - anti war dub
instra:mental - end credits
fish go deep - the cure and the cause (dennis ferrer remix)

(x-post)

sooo will this get extended or not? because I feel sleepy and I want to make my ballot tomorriw

Extend it over the weekend, but no further, please! I'd love to see the results next week.

Surely anyone who's interested in the poll can write down a list of 50 tracks over one weekend? It took me like 30 minutes to come up with my ballot.

I have to say I don't really see the point in posting in a poll like this if you're not interested in spending some time listening to tracks you are unfamiliar with, but I guess people have their own reasons.

I'm having enough trouble whittling down the tracks I loved at the time to worry about taking on new ones.

More fun to discover things in the countdown imo.

please extension yes, i have a lot of but-who-do-i-love-best listening left to do

Matt OTM. I see absolutely no point in diligently plugging through hundreds of nominations and then attempting to weigh up new discoveries against tunes you've loved for years. That's what the roll out is for. I don't like polls to feel like homework.

Son.sine - Upekah

― mmmm, Sunday, 22 April 2012

did not expect to see this nominated!

might vote

not sure where my nomination stl moving deep went

wait im mixing that son.sine up with something else. good record all the same tho

please extension yes, i have a lot of but-who-do-i-love-best listening left to do

― dethklok piccalo (c sharp major), Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:18 AM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^

think melchior's deep down should be lets go deep most have been half asleep when doing a nomination

I have it down to 50, just need to order 'em.

Damn, would have voted for 'Lets Go Deep', so simple but so effective.

I had thought it was late 90s otherwise I might have nominated it myself, but it's "only" ten years old.

How can you hate Mathew Jonson when he made Typerope and the Followed By Angels 12"??

I have to say I don't really see the point in posting in a poll like this if you're not interested in spending some time listening to tracks you are unfamiliar with
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I see absolutely no point in diligently plugging through hundreds of nominations and then attempting to weigh up new discoveries against tunes you've loved for years. That's what the roll out is for.

I do both. I voted based on tunes I already know, but I intend to wade through the entirety of the spotify list to find tunes I like that I hadn't heard before.

sent

Basically if I felt obliged to check out every nomination I would never vote. I tried it with the hip hop tracks but I was ploughing through them at such a rate that I underrated tracks which only really hit me when they featured in the countdown. I don't like to feel like I'm just harvesting music en masse. But obviously everyone approaches these things differently.

i know everyone hates him now but it's a terrible oversight that the supermayer remix of gotye's heart's a mess isn't among the nominees.

Yeah that song is beautiful

I just find Jonson's solo tracks too austere and joyless, and more than a bit over fussy.

voted (first time ever in one of these big ILM polls). after spending weeks slowly narrowing it down to 50 I found it almost impossible to sensible order them outside the top 10 or so. doubtless I'll be kicking myself about that once the rundown starts.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkMrN1ywzcurdEZkejR2cUhLa3ZiTU5PamFTck9qUWc

^^ something for you to chew on while we count down the remaining 33 hours for voting

received ballots from

finney
ess kay
paul scifi
or something
tpp
chewshabadoo
gavin from leeds
connie e
toby g

including myself that makes 20

VOTE VOTE VOTE

i would honestly like to see fifty ballots

i should be on that list, v. you see me?

andy m
cracklebox
edb
jibe
lamp fyi
matt p
moka
nasty brutish & short
siah
tuomas

and myself makes twenty

going a bit nuts here. "Romeo" is all-time amazing, but I'd put in straight-up pop more than I would EDM, certainly moreso than something like LCD Soundsystem's "Yeah (Crass Version)", which wasn't nommed presumably because it isn't EDM enough. I dunno.

Yeah, I love the tune but got rid of it on the first pass through the list.

I'm not sure how to tackle the Studio tracks at all.

I'm not sure if there are anywhere near 50 dance fans on ILX, 25 seems optimistic.

seriously? I figured there'd be loads of voters.

there are lot of people who are going to play the "oh noes dance thread people are grouchy" card and decline to vote

must admit i get a headache myself reading the list of noms

Xpost : Half the dance threads are like a post every two weeks followed by crickets.

we need to recruit some goons like deej and people off the "djs post your mixes" threads

unban cock

Its still more interesting than watching 15 year old British kids argue about Grime on Dissensus.

I think the DJs Post Your Mixes thread is what skews my perspective. If that many people can have such a depth of knowledge of this stuff (way more than I ever will) then surely there are exponentially more like me who can't mix that like this stuff.

ok we def need about 50 to counterbalance my predictable indie ways here

I'm honestly not even sure if mr cox would come back, his site looks pretty busy with actually deejaying and writing music, which is probably what I should be doing right now anyway.

Disco nihilist looks pretty busy, too.

oh come on pipecock hasn't posted on ISM since february

Alright maybe I'm giving him a little benefit of the doubt here, guess he could just be smoking a lot of weed and listening to disco. Not that I'm knocking it.

I feel like I'm saying Candyman to a mirror right now.

sent.

Still have to narrow down my remaning 26 spots from a shortlist of 135. Will be done though.

just sent mine.

I'm going to try to get a list in but I certainly don't have a deep knowledge of this stuff. Will be fun to see the results though.

When's the actual deadline for this?

i'm gonna try to get my ballot in tonight, but even just an extension until saturday would help me out

i had it done a week ago but my dog ate my computer and my grandma died, etc

Will submit a ballot tonight. I will be repping hard for house and filtered.

What kind of disgusting savage ends a dance music poll on a Friday night?

Well the rest of the week you'll be getting over your comedown and mid-week blues, so Friday night before going clubbing is the only time people will have had enough time and energy to put one together.

how many people need an extension, hands up

and how long do you need?

it's 8:30 am june 1st here so the official deadline is in sixteen hours

hey vahid you got mine? don't see my name on your list up there

If you could hold it open til, say, Sunday night that would be lovely.

i'll try and do one but it is going to be tight, won't be home for long between now and the deadline, been hardly at home at all recent evenings.

just caning it literally every night

at drama class/running

My email failed, I'm trying again with the dots?

andrew m i apologize i put you down as andy m

got new ballots from

jaymc
dorian l
psychgawsple

nothing yet from you jacob

it's

THE dot ESSENTIAL dot MIX dot 77 at gmail dot com

well I feel dumb, ok sent

I have a long list, so just listening to some old stuff and whittling it down. Should meet the deadline, but with fairly random ordering ...

thanks jacob, got your ballot

don't worry too much about the ordering, i'm going to go through manually and knock all of the kompakt tracks and other indie bs down ten or so places

andrew m i apologize i put you down as andy m
Oh the confusion. I didn't realise there was another andrew when I chose my name. You get mine as well yeah?

I don't think my ballot is very indie, but it is kompakt heavy. It's what songs I enjoyed playing in clubs, and a few recent songs that make me wish I djed still.

ok here's who i've got so far

myself, siah, lamp, moka, matt p, tuomas, edb, cracklebox, nasty brutish short, jibe, andy m, mind taker, finney, ess kay, paul scifi, or something, tpp, chewshabadoo, gavin from leeds, andrew m, connie e, toby g, jaymc, psychgawsple, dorian and jacob sanders

i think i myself am putting down at least three kompakt tracks if not four or five and one of them is going in the top ten (gasp!)

I know I didn't join in the nominations so can't complain, but would have voted for Shake Your Body Down, Where's Jason K, maybe Trus'me

Mind you I have whittled to 70 and struggling a bit now anyway.

how many people need an extension, hands up

and how long do you need?

it's 8:30 am june 1st here so the official deadline is in sixteen hours

― the late great, Friday, June 1, 2012 3:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a week would be great!

Voted

a week?!?

those Jurgen Paape tracks are the best thing ever - can't even tell which one I prefer

sunday deadline is cool with me, a week is too much

Where's Jason K

Ah - I would have nominated that, but I couldn't remember what it was called or who it was by

If this isn't top ten there is no justice, blasting it out at the moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXOojiv5qls

i can tell you now, odds are very low that will be top 10

Never heard it before, but just bought it ^

(erm, xp)

something is raw is an all time jam tho not sure it would even make my top 10 STL tunes...

....nommed another STL (moving deep) but it didn't make the spreadsheet

It's an unjust world. :D

Are we supposed to copy and paste from the spreadsheet onto our ballot?

at least midweek extension would be good

ballot sent. let me know if it needs reformatting.

you don't have to copy and paste but feel free to if you want

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/7319678780_5c19f5c68f_m.jpg

I've voted. By the way I hope the Cosmos tune I voted for is the original long version and not the hastily cobbled together vocal atrocity.

i think that goes without saying. i hope it does as i threw it a vote too, more for the memories than anything.

ok, I forgot one of my fav tracks, mathew dear's dseserter

missing from the ballot: Delinquent Feat. KCAT – My Destiny

We have until Sunday to vote?

i am heavy into the Bs of the spotify list. Only the majority of the alphabet to listen to :) Will try and get a new jack list in tomorrow.

GAH how did voigt & voigt not get nominated!

sheesh i thought the kompakt crew were doing their job.

also thank you to gukbe, pillbox and mattdcruz for ballots :-)

should i vote in this, i kind of totally lost interest after it was expanded past '09 for some reason

vote! there's no reason you can't just vote for 00-09 stuff

I saw a voigt&voigt in there somewhere I'm sure.

one of the most interesting things about this poll for me is (my perceived) notion that EDM tracks are probably among the least "timeless" of genre tunes because it's so given to quick trends and that ceaseless thirst for The Next Big Thing. could be my relative lack of knowledge of 'the scene' though.

I would say that if anything the opposite is the case, in particular the format of the DJ mix allows for a constant reintegration of "the classics" into contemporary contexts.

But doesn't that imply that those "classics" have fallen away a bit? Like there needs to be some time away for certain styles to come back and then you recontextualize the classics? Idk I think I view things kind of askew. I was reading an interview with Abrantee where talks about how UK Funky was the thing but then everyone was looking for something fresh and now people are moving to Afrobeats. To what extent does the rise of Afrobeats require the demise of UK Funky?

I'll cop to not really knowing what I'm talking about though. I spent a lot of time at indie discos (lol) and Optimo (which was always engaging with the past and the present) so it felt like a lot of other clubs were very much centred on The Now music-wise in comparison.

Like there needs to be some time away for certain styles to come back and then you recontextualize the classics?

This is true of everything everywhere though - it's not like Optimo played lots of songs from 5 years ago.

To the extent that indie discos are/were any different I think this is only because so few songs each year made it into the indie disco canon; my experience of going out to indie discos was that you heard the same songs every week forever because the DJs had so few options. OTOH that was circa 2000 and pre the New Rock Revolution so maybe things changed.

Certainly there are some dance scenes that are more current-focused and ignore the past more than others, but I think if we're going to paint in broad brushstrokes then I would say that dance music pays more attention rather than less to the canonisation of old classics.

To what extent does the rise of Afrobeats require the demise of UK Funky?

Broadly speaking this is correct but of course the very "demise" of UK Funky also has the effect of hardening perception of what its anthems were. By virtue of how they operate clubbing-based scenes have a more collectivist notion of what characterises the sound of a particular era than you might find in, say, rock scenes.

That was, I suppose, what I was getting at. As I scrolled through the 1,000+ noms here, I could only pick a handful that I might consider to be canonised, which is why I'm really interested to see what people have landed on and to what extent there's a consensus.

the demise of funky = the moment when i put ill blu & dj traxman on my list

To the extent that indie discos are/were any different I think this is only because so few songs each year made it into the indie disco canon; my experience of going out to indie discos was that you heard the same songs every week forever because the DJs had so few options. OTOH that was circa 2000 and pre the New Rock Revolution so maybe things changed.

ime it was always "try out new band early on" but then the last hour or two would always be "Another Girl, Another Planet" or x Smiths song etc. There seemed to be a real trepidation when everyone's on the floor to try out something too new. Club DJs, otoh, are always reaching for the newest thing, and you might "Ragysh" or whatever (haven't been dancing in a while as you can probably tell) a lot over the course of a few months and then it disappears.

I guess it has to do with audience as well as the style. Indie discos are about "i want to dance to this song/I don't want to dance to this song" so people get up and sit down a lot more than at a club where they just want to dance and the more the DJ can wow them the better, but it tends to be less about "I want to dance to Ragysh" and more "oh wow I love this track" as they're already dancing.

one of the most interesting things about this poll for me is (my perceived) notion that EDM tracks are probably among the least "timeless" of genre tunes because it's so given to quick trends and that ceaseless thirst for The Next Big Thing. could be my relative lack of knowledge of 'the scene' though.

― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, June 3, 2012

for me - i think this is true of UK-focused scenes but not of house music in general

Yeah, I should have said that, along with all of the other limitations on my perspective, it is certainly UK-centric.

Club DJs, otoh, are always reaching for the newest thing, and you might "Ragysh" or whatever (haven't been dancing in a while as you can probably tell) a lot over the course of a few months and then it disappears.

― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, June 3, 2012 3:12 AM

for bigger tune yes they are likely to get a big peak in it being played and then falls away, but a lot of great DJs (arpiar, zip, panorama bar residents, cdv residents etc ) will play stuff from all kinds of different periods, you just won't necessarily know that

^ ie forgotten records from 1998 or whenever thrown in, records that probably cost $1 on discogs but....only because no one knows what it is

it tends to be less about "I want to dance to Ragysh" and more "oh wow I love this track" as they're already dancing.

partly but more i think its about a set, as in how a bunch of things hang together

That was sort of my point, though admittedly poorly made. You're up dancing, and it's up to the DJ to make it really exciting, and it's those standout tracks that get people really excited (this is opposed to indie disco where you get up to dance to a song or two, and when you don't like one, you just sit down again - it's about individual selection rather than the whole piece).

overall i see where you are coming from re:timeless but one of the things i love about dance music (or at least non UK-focused dance music) is actually a weird sense of true timelessness, records from the past aren't necessarily "oh here's this thing from the past that sounds like its from the past" its more "this record is going to work right now and it could have been made at any time who even knows". i actually like house music's non-changing nature, house music is always house music...is a dan bell record from the 90s dated?

of course there are still a lot of the records on this nomination list that are definitely dated (all that eulberg and ananda type stuff....and anyone voting for mouth to mouth is living in some kind of nostalgia zone) , but in a way its only bigger hits that get 'dated', and most records aren't actually like that

Definitely voted for Mouth to Mouth out of nostalgia, good times were had.

xpost

that's why I'm interested! I want to see what records have come through being passing phases or big hits for a time and are now deemed truly 'timeless'. I'm definitely not a House purist though, and that's gonna come into this poll a lot I reckon. House remains the same maybe but minimal (MNML?) was a thing and then it wasn't, dubstep was a thing and then it morphed, UK Funky etc etc etc.

all I was really getting at is that this poll, in my mind, is more interesting than, say, a best albums of the 00s where Kid A is gonna sweep into a top 10 spot or whatever because I think there's a more agreed-upon canon in other genres than there is in EDM, and a lot of that has to do with trends (if I go to an indie disco every week in 2004, skip 2005 and 2006 completely, and go every week in 2007, I will probably be able to catch up fairly quickly on whatever I missed, whereas doing the same thing in EDM clubs would mean i would have completely missed out on a lot of stuff).

You could just as easily argue that it's not the timeless qualities of dance music that lead to the 20 year cycle of reappropriation, its the music that is quintessentially of its time. No one likes Italo disco because it sounds like it was made yesterday, it got dug up again because of its influence on house and its novelty factor as kitsch. I voted for music that reminded me of the last 12 years, not the music I think I'll still like in a decade.

I've had a latin freestyle song stuck in my head for three days so its possible I suffer from an unique viewpoint on the subject, fortunately for me there are a lot of people with better taste than mine on this board.

I want to see what records have come through being passing phases or big hits for a time and are now deemed truly 'timeless'.

i think 'big hits' (of any genre) sort of become 'out of time'...almost the opposite of timeless, in that regardless of actual sound (dated or no) their ubiquity takes them outside of normal time.

You could just as easily argue that it's not the timeless qualities of dance music that lead to the 20 year cycle of reappropriation, its the music that is quintessentially of its time.

i think yes - music quintessentially of its time (italo disco, 90s drum'n'bass, electroclash or whatever) is what falls out of time and gets reapproriated - but lots of music isn't quite so of a particular time (gemini, daniel bell) and doesn't really fall out of time as such and therefore doesn't have faddish reappropriation in the same way

I voted for music that reminded me of the last 12 years, not the music I think I'll still like in a decade.

― Josiah Alan, Sunday, June 3, 2012

this poll is kind of a composite of those two views. if i'm voting in 2012 about records from 2002 then i'm kind of voting on music that i DID end up liking a decade later, no? unless you are taking self into past and voting on nostalgia alone

House remains the same maybe but minimal (MNML?) was a thing and then it wasn't,

yeah but a lot of that thing about minimal being in and then out was really just about labelling or defining rather than actual music, stuff gets tagged as minimal then the term falls out of fashion and then "oh look these particular records were never minimal after all" - i mean is a villalobos set from today drastically different from one in 2005? i'd say there's a lot of continuity there! could be totally different records from different periods but could easily take stuff from one set and put it in the othea lot of those records are 'timeless' in that they could be from any particular time, if he plays a record from 1999 next to one from 2008 its not necessarily obvious at all...

...guess this kind of comes back to that argument about retromania (which i think makes a certain sense in a UK context, with the turnover of genres and reappropriations but not so much on a wider scale with house music where there is more continuity

Villalobos sets may not be drastically different but I suppose that a Villalobos set in 2016 may not necessarily be the same draw it was in 2006, that generation's clubbers may just see his entire approach as old hat, and the older ones aren't going out as much. Actually Villalobos is kind of a bad example here because he pretty much ploughs his own furrow but you get the point I'm making. But that's the same for all genres really, dance or otherwise.

Really big ubiquitous-on-dancefloors records like Ragysh or, before that, something like Rej, kind of fall in and out of fashion in the way that most pop music trends tend to. They'll be huge for a while, then just put away for a bit as they seem too obvious and people are maybe a little bit tired of them, then they start coming back and just never go out of fashion. A lot of the sounds that appear in this poll will maybe sound a bit anachronistic on current dancefloors but the records themselves that appear will be the ones with staying power. The records that really do blow up and then disappear without trace by and large are the ones that weren't really that great in the first place.

Debate's a bit muddied as well because some of the genres we're talking about, most obviously filter disco and electroclash but also increasingly 2-step and subsequent genres are re-emerging as basic building blocks of current chart pop. But that's what you get when you have a generation young enough to have had rave music around their entire lives.

just using villalobos as an example he himself may not be the same draw in 2016 (esp as he'll prob quit DJing in the next year or two) but the records played fit into a theme of continuity and many can be from any time - same thing as with the get perlonized nights or arpiar..

A lot of the sounds that appear in this poll will maybe sound a bit anachronistic on current dancefloors but the records themselves that appear will be the ones with staying power. The records that really do blow up and then disappear without trace by and large are the ones that weren't really that great in the first place.

they'll also be the ones that get most votes (mouth to mouth, orbitalife) - records that really blow up and then disappear, it isn't because they're no good its because they tend to dominate, and then disrupt the flow of a set once they get heard a lot (In My System is anything but a bad record but could only really be played pretty sparingly now, even tho in no way does it sound dated)

this In My System btw, lotsa records w that title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpE9v4q32O8

some drop away because they sound dated, some drop away because they become overplayed (especially anything bombastic or anthemic or whatever), yeah they may be reappropriated at a later time but they still drop out

whereas like idk tribue by moodymann say - this record would fit perfectly not only when it came out and today, but at any point inbetween - its not a record that would have sounded anachronistic at any point

sorry what the email address?

i tried to do this but i actually started to feel panicky and anxious when i looked at the list.

ah come on, take the plunge. would like to see your ballot as much as anyone's.

i found it easier when i stopped sweating stuff that didn't make the list.

i don't think "mouth to mouth" sounds anachronistic at all and in fact i just used "mund zu mund" in a set ... i hate to poo poo on long discussions but i think a lot of what gukbe and coal are talking about come down to the specific listener rather than the scene or country or genre.

(if I go to an indie disco every week in 2004, skip 2005 and 2006 completely, and go every week in 2007, I will probably be able to catch up fairly quickly on whatever I missed, whereas doing the same thing in EDM clubs would mean i would have completely missed out on a lot of stuff)

like this just strikes me as off-the-top-of-my-head idea making rather than anything rooted in reality

fwiw i dont think mouth to mouth SOUNDS anachronistic (which is why i separate it from things like nathan fake or eulberg), more just that it was such a big and bombastic record that it seemed difficult to play once its immediate time had passed - your experience may be different but i've never heard a DJ play it since when it was played the whole time

i don't think i've heard it out very much - in fact i don't know that i've heard it since, either - but i don't think that's rooted in some quality of the indie rock vs dance genres or club scenes, i'm sure we wouldn't have to think very long to come up with a few indie anthems from 2005/2006 that don't get played anymore as well as some that do. it's not like you'll hear le tigre, bloc party, the killers, franz ferdinand, etc if you go to an indie disco this weekend.

i mean YOU might, i probably wouldn't and haven't lately, and as far as "catching up with the sound" goes i think that has much much more to do w/ the listener than anything else

like this just strikes me as off-the-top-of-my-head idea making rather than anything rooted in reality

I exaggerated timescales but I mean I basically quit going to indie discos for a little over a year and when I went back it was all the same songs save one or two new things. I haven't been out dancing at all in over a year, and I only know a track like "Ragysh" because of ILX. I've never heard it in a club or even in a mix. I'm using that track just because, but if it were a big hit, say, I could imagine hearing it A LOT for a while and then not at all for ages after that (used to hear "Beautiful Life" a lot when it came out, then didn't hear it out anywhere for a long while, for example). I could see missing out on a number of tracks if you drop out of the scene or the music for a year.

it's not like you'll hear le tigre, bloc party, the killers, franz ferdinand, etc

probably not bloc party, but all the others one yeah I think there's a good chance.

ive no idea about what is played in indie discos

this is all obv based out of personal experience, and as someone mentioned, it's a lot different from country to country and even club-specific. i didn't think my original point was all that controversial though. I didn't go dancing for a year in 2007-2008 or roundabout then when I moved to Alabama and to this day I've never heard the Frankie Knuckles remix of "Blind" in a club, and the way people talked about it when it came out I got the impression that people heard it out and about a lot.

anyway i clearly don't know what i'm talking about so i should just shut up.

i think you could have been clubbing in alabama pretty solidly for a long time and never heard the frankie knuckles remix of "blind" out

haha that's true.

ftr i think you know what you're talking about but i also think that your experience has to do w/ your personal relationship w/ dance music and indie music, and that the same is true for just about anybody, and it's not your fault, all of these ideas like continuity, familiarity, etc are basically dependent on the listener and don't have any meaning in and of themselves in a vacuum

in other words this is a hermeneutic problem, not one that we could fix by looking at charts or tracklistings or playlists

i really wish it didn't have to be ranked :/

its all fun and games until i have to name something "the best electronic dance track of the 00s"

eh just fucking whittle em down by desert island disc ... "this one or that one" and the one that you pick moves "up" on the list ... you keep doing that until you're happy w/ the list. it's like voting for politicians. in the end it just comes down to the one you feel better about with your hand hovering over the ballot, and the snap decision makes as much sense as anything else.

hm, yeah, that's a good method, tournament style.

that's how i did it

it's kind of like an endless tournament though ... every time i switch two i gotta start again

i'm doing it where there is a reigning champion and each challenger goes down the list until it beats one

exactly

it's like voting for politicians. in the end it just comes down to the one you feel better about with your hand hovering over the ballot, and the snap decision makes as much sense as anything else.

this is a terrible way to vote for politicians too btw

ok i am looking at the spreadsheet

this is a terrible way to vote for politicians too btw

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d - malice gabryelle refix

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d malice - gabryelle refix fyi

so, when is the deadline?

sometime after i vote

i voted!

Durr it would be sort of tragic if you inspired this poll and then didn't vote in time, no pressure though.

I got my shortlist down to 48 with only another 30-40 on my remaining longlist by 6.30 today

one moar correction:

gabriel and the coutu dumonts they only come out at night

...should be guillaume and the coutu domonts

is this over or not?

I was on vacation. Some great nominations up there that are new to me:

Rekid - Next Stop Chicago

Martyn - Seventy Four (Redshape Mix)

mala - anti war dub
instra:mental - end credits

I promise to submit a ballot in the next 12 hours if polls are still open today.

Gonna submit my ballot by tomorrow, promise.

Emmanuel Jal - Kuar (Henrik Schwarz Remix)

Pfft. Damn.

i am gonna set an arbitrary deadline at 50 ballots

"50 ballotz stands for 1 ballot from every state of the USA, all them ballotz would be stronger than every weapon, if they would be united - THUG LIFE"

so how many ballots are we at right now? also i wish that spotify thing worked where i live cos i'd love to hear all those nominated tracks i don't know !

youtube has a ton of them

they'll also be the ones that get most votes (mouth to mouth, orbitalife) - records that really blow up and then disappear, it isn't because they're no good its because they tend to dominate, and then disrupt the flow of a set once they get heard a lot

Both of these records are too recent though - you need about a 10yr period of grace before they start to reappear. FWIW I don't think either of these records are that great, nor will they appear particularly high up the poll (Mouth to Mouth might place somewhere, I doubt many ppl care that much about Orbitalife at this stage in the game).

i have 34 ballots at this point ... we're going to next sunday (one week extension) goal is 50 posts

"mouth to mouth" is placing pretty high on my ballot i think

though i prefer "mund zu mund" these days

mund zu mund is totally the superior, but tragically overlooked, younger sibling.

I figure there's also a bunch of sometime ILM posters who are authorities on the subject and whose contributions would be invaluable (e.g. d.l3one p.sh3rburne) but probably don't know this poll exists.

we gotta pound the pavement a bit, webmail the usual suspects

OTOH if they were interested in ILM you'd think they'd have seen it buy now

Both of these records are too recent though - you need about a 10yr period of grace before they start to reappear. FWIW I don't think either of these records are that great, nor will they appear particularly high up the poll (Mouth to Mouth might place somewhere, I doubt many ppl care that much about Orbitalife at this stage in the game).

but they are records that disappear is the point....not when they reappear, but the fact that they disappear

many votes on chart will be based on memories, mouth to mouth will place highly

prefer i speak for some of that

whereas a record like fifth element prob never got overplayed in same way and never really dropped away often hear that played out

I don't know why I'm the only one having trouble making sense of this:

over 1000 nominations

50 votes each

So in one ballot we should include as many nominations as we want (up to 1000)? And then we choose our top 50 from all of the nominations from everyone? Sorry for being dense.

we already nominated, just pick your 50 favorites and rank them

Pretty skimpy list :(

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My fault for missing the nominations of course.

what if I ask pipecock to vote? I talk to him now and then.

think we can do without that, tbh

pipecock would have nominated some good records

tell him to send a ballot down the pipe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmAlkUpZPRI

wrong one,

here he is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usccACkIxxs

Who was Pipecock again? I remember the name being mentioned a few years ago, but I've no idea why his opinion is so important?

He's a resident advisor writer, blogger and DJ who is known for his strong support of American artists and labels like Omar S, Jus Ed, FXHE and Underground quality. He was always the nicest poster and was banned for an argument with Local Garda that got a little too personal.

Wasn't always, man I'm bad with the typoes lately.

A lot of the music Pipecock rates is great, but his Internet persona really grates as he seems to instinctively dismiss a lot of music because it doesn't fit into his rules. He's probably popped up on all forums at some point, posted for a while, got into a fight with some regulars and then left.

in short, he's a purist of the highest order.

is it too late to vote

nope.

how long do I have

i have 34 ballots at this point ... we're going to next sunday (one week extension) goal is 50 posts

"mouth to mouth" is placing pretty high on my ballot i think

― the late great, Monday, June 4, 2012 8:25 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

So you have until Sunday Late Great's time. Don't know that means in Hawaii-land.

only 3 hours difference (2 in the winter)

I have no right to complain, as I didn't take part in the nominating process, BUT, why the f*ck isn't this track on the list?:
Luomo - "Synkro"

cause it sucks

no seriously though i think maybe because it came out way back in 2000 people forgot about it

how about for the next poll we let it sneak by w/ any other 2000 tracks, it'll be 1988-2000 and 2000-2012

Probably cause virtually everyone will be voting for tessio instead?

I would have voted for "Synkro" over "Tessio" but I always forget that those singles didn't come out until the same year as the album; such promptness is so unusual in dance music.

I actually nominated Synkro, and nobody noticed. Sad now.

i would vote for synkro over tessio too. i also want to vote for lots of other stuff that isn't on the list (PELE BLOSS??) but i didn't nominate anything so sucks to be me i guess.

I actually nominated Synkro, and nobody noticed. Sad now.

― Josiah Alan, Wednesday, 6 June 2012

I think a few got culled along the way maybe to keep the numbers down

I think something funny happened when I copy and pasted everything into the google doc. As mentioned above some stuff went missing (including, I should note, some of my own noms). That shouldn't stop people from including things, though.

Did you get my ballot, the late great? I didn't get a response and wanted to check it had reached you. The fate of mid-00s electro-house depends on it. ;)

What was decent electro house from mid-decade? Never Be Alone?

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There are no entries matching idjut boys

just do a write-in vote for your favorites

tbh tho if they didn't get nominated they probably wouldn't have placed

i didn't forget about pele bloss but i wouldnt put it in the top 50

yeah DL i did get your ballot

used your real name on the list, apologies

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i think this is because of some discussion in the nom's thread about trying to steer clear of edits for this poll, though there are loads of exceptions that snuck through

i prob would have nom'd some idjuts otherwise

tbf i don't think the idjuts have really been working in "house" mode for awhile now unless you count the (sporadic / rare / obscure) droid EPs

there are probably parts of "puddle & spout" that are at least as house-ish as a kdj or theo track but i wasn't gonna nominate some obscure shit that wasn't going to get any votes

if i had i'd probably nominate "oochie coochie"

just sent mine

Just sent mine too...
I predict "One More Time", "Miura", "Rej", and possibly "I Feel Space" will all make Top 10.