the Tupac hologram

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welp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajVGIRsKXdo

J0rdan S., Monday, 16 April 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

how far away are we from a hologram doing a full, nationwide tour?

J0rdan S., Monday, 16 April 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

i think i would bite the bullet and see a full lil boosie hologram show

J0rdan S., Monday, 16 April 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

I think this is a cooler gimmick than 3d movies, I would maybe go see some historic shows hologramed up

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

o_O

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link

40% of the local trending topics when i logged on twitter this morning were about pac and/or holograms

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link

I wonder if his family's getting his full performance rate or just an appearance fee

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

i know this is all about idealizing tupac at his prime, but i kinda feel like 41 year-old 2012 tupac would spend less time with his shirt off

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 16 April 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link

well his prime was his 'alive years' so unless you are suggesting they age him w/ a computer and add a shirt...

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

I'm going to hell for this one, but...

...and bullet wounds?

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

i kinda feel like i need to add a drudge report siren that says 'sarcasm' to my posts for iatee's benefit whenever he is around

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 16 April 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

sorry I forgot about your great sense of humor jon

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

somewhere will.i.am is fuming

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link

america behind the curve as usual

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

have other countries had dead stars perform via hologram?

J0rdan S., Monday, 16 April 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not sure, but I am sure dayo is about to tell you

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTXO7KGHtjI

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

yeah but that's not a dead person

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:49 (twelve years ago) link

dayo coming hard with the Idoru

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

she's dead in the sense that she doesn't exist! hah!

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

presumably this tech, although I think the britishes used it for their fake musicians prior: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musion_Eyeliner

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISVqiRXCc4k

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

this is incredible but i dont understand why they didnt make a giant tupac, maybe the tech isnt there idk

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link

i think the idea was that it was more uncanny to have a lifesize holopac standing next to real life dr. dre and look semi-real, wouldn't have the same impact if he was standing 50 feet high

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

it's interesting that before they show they pre-announced the hologram nate dogg but let this be a surprise, maybe there'd be more talk about nate right now if he'd been a surprise along w/ pac

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link

i dont care what anyone says, go giant tupac every time

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

they could just make dr. dre 50 feet high

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

giant tupac w/mini nate dogg in his pocket

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

if they'd had this technology 15 years ago we could've been saved from some really terrible posthumous videos with a toon pac:

http://cdn4.wn.com/vp/i/bc/f096feeac0d46f.jpg

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

Are there videos of hologram Nate Dogg? I feel like he got shafted :(

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder if they purposely looked for a clip to hologramize where his pants werent too large so as not to offend current sensibilities

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link

oh god i forgot there was a claymation pac too

http://emptyv.multimedia.cx/images/2pac-doforlove-2.jpg

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link

they should bring all the digital pacs together for one incredible once in a lifetime concert experience

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link

Check this one out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtMnwZKOtwA

It almost looks like Celine Dion is really there.

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:15 (twelve years ago) link

this technology could also be used to create 'rock n roll heaven' w/ all the dead classic rock dudes jamming, boomers would pay good money to see that

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

they should bring all the digital pacs together for one incredible once in a lifetime concert experience

― lag∞n, Monday, April 16, 2012 10:13 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They do in Pleasant Plains' Reoccurring 'Mulholland Drive/All Eyez On Me' Nightmare

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

luckyy

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link

may you live in interesting times

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

this is so rad

Masonic Butt (Lamp), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

may you be blessed with high quality holograms from more interesting times gone by

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

For the very first time, I wish I had been there at Coachella, mad lifted.

You thought the eye at the Blue Oyster Cult show was watching you.

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

*buys stock in hologram company*

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

Go home and there's Tupac at the top of your stairs.

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

trying not to google tupac + "minstrel show" to see if anyone's gone there

poor guy is dead and they're still making him rap and dance

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

this could lead to exquisite new highs of poor taste in mash up culture

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

holograms of biggie and pac forgiving each other and hugging in the afterlife

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

"Shouts to Obi Wan Kenobi, my only muthafuckin hope!"

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

cant wait for the exciting genre(s) of holorap/holowave /indigram

i like things that make me feel like im actively living in the future instead of passively succumbing to the present

Masonic Butt (Lamp), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

thinking abt how futurists want to upload our minds to the internet and become immortal and how itd effect tupacs art to be disembodied, just occasionally projected for profit, the deep longing for corporeality in rap form

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

totally getting a hologram of myself projected at my funeral

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ as a surpise appearance would be even better

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

this technology could also be used to create 'rock n roll heaven' w/ all the dead classic rock dudes jamming, boomers would pay good money to see that

figure this will happen on at least some scale, but that no one will really care. maybe holo-beatles could be a thing? figure the big money is in simulcasting "event" concerts featuring tween stars like beiber and the jonas brothers, or whatever the equivalent is these days.

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

also having it climb out of the coffin xp

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

thinking abt how futurists want to upload our minds to the internet and become immortal and how itd effect tupacs art to be disembodied, just occasionally projected for profit, the deep longing for corporeality in rap form

^ good short story idea at least

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

bless

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

wait you know what would be cool, watching a hologrammed super bowl

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

I kind of feel like I'll just have enough money in my estate to pay for a 3d model of me, but they won't have enough money for animation so it'll just be my likeness performing Tupac songs with his voice

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

wait you know what would be cool, watching a hologrammed super bowl

― iatee, Monday, April 16, 2012 11:32 AM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup courtside seats for all

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, hologramming of real-life stuff in real time will be big. plus we could all have chess sets featuring monsters!

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

eh chess is just a game for computers to play w/ each other

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

Hologram Pac was totally lip-synching.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

hologrammed farmville maybe

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

would like to see gr8080 collaborate with hologram chaki on new 'found IRL' picture thread.

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

keep wanting to be a pedant and say this isn't a hologram, but whatevs

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

hologram dom p could offer zingers until later discovered that he's just a projection on a hanging bedsheet.

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

dude

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

what if

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

It was a holla! - gram.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

this is fucking bullshit. not a hologram.

zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

if this isn't a hologram, does that make it a hologram of a hologram

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

what if we're all holgrams.

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

ain't no hollagram girl

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link

what if... holograms

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link

wait you know what would be cool, watching a hologrammed super bowl

Looking forward to Holmgren Hologram.

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link

i saw this and it was amazing, but hard to get a feel for how it was in person, given that i was watching it in 2-D. i guess i sort of just doubt this is an actual hologram? don't you need to use some crazy 3-D capture camera technology to make a hologram? you can't just extrapolate a hologram from video footage

(i realize there is probably a listicle that explains all this)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link

if it were a hologram you'd be able to move from side to side and see a different angle of tupac, but no such luck

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

they can make 3d movies from 2d movies, like u dont see pac from all angles, just front on but he looks a lil popping out

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

you can't just extrapolate a hologram from video footage

This pretty much looks like a 3d computer model of Tupac which could be kind of like a hologram, but you'd have to be able to actually pan around. Everyone there saw the same angle, no matter which side of the stage they were on. He just probably looked kind of distorted.

For a really-real hologram, they'd have had to capture him using a camera that picked up all available light etc etc and it'd have to be video of him from life

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

tbh i don't really give a shit about holograms, wake me when we get a Star Trek: The Next Generation-style holodeck

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

Were you all wearing your special hologram glasses?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

we were promised holograms

Masonic Butt (Lamp), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:48 (twelve years ago) link

tbf the hologram didnt even look that much like tupac

http://i.imgur.com/Y5UfM.jpg

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

holorihanna would prob be more popular than holopac

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

sure as hell didnt look much like the tupac i ran into at the mall coupla weeks back

Masonic Butt (Lamp), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

it's interesting that before they show they pre-announced the hologram nate dogg but let this be a surprise

Coulda swore I heard something about this on Saturday as the follow-on from the Nate Dogg thing.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

yeah maybe...but the nate thing was pretty well known in the press like a week ago, no mention of 2pac at the time

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

the Tupac hologram

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

Heavens! ;-)

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Monday, 16 April 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

Hahaha

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 April 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

Tupac is in hell right now totally pissed off that you guys are making fun of the hologram he sent up.

azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

http://oi39.tinypic.com/bakxt.jpg

lebron traveled (am0n), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link

is this real or
https://twitter.com/#!/HologramTupac

lebron traveled (am0n), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

"We worked with Dr. Dre on this and it was Dre's vision to bring this back to life," said Nick Smith, president of AV Concepts, the San Diego company that created the hologram. "It was his idea from the very beginning and we worked with him and his camp to utilize the technology to make it come to life."

Smith said he wasn't allowed to talk about the creative aspects of the production — including how the hologram was able to seemingly perform the set in synch with Snoop and whether all the vocals were 'Pac's — but he did say that his company has the ability to recreate long-dead figures and visually recreate them in the studio. "You can take their likenesses and voice and ... take people that haven't done concerts before or perform music they haven't sung and digitally recreate it," he said.

The hologram was the latest visual magic pulled off by AV, which is also behind the 2005 Grammys performance featuring Madonna and the holographic members of the Gorillaz, as well as holograms used in concert by Celine Dion and the Black Eyed Peas.

The Tupac hologram was several months in the planning and took nearly four months to create in a studio and though Smith was not able to reveal the exact price tag for the illusion, he said a comparable one could cost anywhere from $100,000 to more than $400,000 to pull off. "I can't say how much that event cost, but I can say it's affordable in the sense that if we had to bring entertainers around world and create concerts across the country, we could put [artists] in every venue in the country," he said.

The life-size Tupac was amazingly life-like, down to the late rapper's signature tattoos, Timberland boots, jewelry and movements, all of which were also recreated under the direction of Dre.

lebron traveled (am0n), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/cIbe1.gif
pac to enterprise...

man down (D-40), Monday, 16 April 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

is that from real footage of tupac? otherwise seems like you could just get a body double, do some motion capture, pull the same tricks that movie companies do to cash in when a star dies during filming

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

no that's not how he died

iatee, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

of course it's real footage of him from an actual concert he performed, what else would it be?

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

lil wayne

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

actually the article am0n posted makes it sound like that's maybe not entirely the case, nvm

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

lol sd I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link

they used a archival recording of him saying "what up, coachella"

lebron traveled (am0n), Monday, 16 April 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i haven't seen the footage or anything so i was talking outta my ass, sorry

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link

Looked like a good 3d model that had been animated either using motion capture or with software that does video analysis or maybe just a really good animator. The "smoothness" of it might be off due to the video quality I saw, but it really doesn't look incredibly different from a realistic video game character.

Basically what I'd saying is they just projected the Tupac character from his upcoming cameo in the new Grand Theft Auto.

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

citation: watched the video about ten times on my phone at work

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

it looked jerky and video gamey to me too

lag∞n, Monday, 16 April 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

definitely motion capture imo

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

feel like if it were cribbed from an existing tupac concert video, the original footage would have been revealed on youtube by now

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

Kind of funny that they don't want to share the "secrets" of how he interacted

hologram dudes, it looks like Tupac was doing some sort of idling standing there animation and then does the "react to Snoop saying canned line" move when you hit the circle button on your PS3 controller

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link

as a dead man in a hollogram he's doing better then these fake ass rappers alive lol so much they make a hollogram :D
donaldc60 14 minutes ago

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 April 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

do our younger generation still kno 2pac and the influenced he left for other rappers and niggers/wiggers who were in a strugle to get ut of the thug life/ghetto.?

― WhO WaNtZ 2 b A 2pAc!, Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:47 AM (7 years ago)

lebron traveled (am0n), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

there's a failed Cheryl Lloyd single buried in there somewhere

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

WWTHD

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

strugle

lebron traveled (am0n), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

Dr. Drenkenstein

spacemindy, Monday, 16 April 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

2Pac hologram jokes are real surface level. could use some deeper cuts

azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

Like, does he only have one holographic testicle?

azealia canks (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

not a lot of substance to him

mh, Monday, 16 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

tbh, "The Tupac Hologram" sounds like one of the lesser Deep Space Nine episode titles

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

Can I get the Tupac Hologram to babysit my children, or should I stick with the Michael Jordan cutout fastened to an electric train set;.

pplains, Monday, 16 April 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

I, Tupac

lebron traveled (am0n), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah my guess is the CGI route, and they could motion capture some of his movements from old footage and apply those to 3D armatures. Or just have a guy wear a suit and capture it there.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

That's the Stone Mountain statue? Every time I go, I forget to check it out.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

Tupac Shakur, 19th Century wilderness preacher.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

oh lord tupac please talk to these holograms

J0rdan S., Monday, 16 April 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

new bourne movie finally named: the tupac hologram

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

also name of new sherlock holmes movie, weird

spacemindy, Monday, 16 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

and these suckers project it in 3-d and made it look like garbage thats why we get judge so much cause these shit dont be making sence

lebron traveled (am0n), Monday, 16 April 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

Now they need to do an MJ one and the world will be alittle less of a struggle
thetiger117 1 minute ago

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link

thetiger117 otm

dayo, Monday, 16 April 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link

bugger

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link

i remember when i first heard of "the Hologram" on the internet, it was so nice to have 2pac back, i welcomed him

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link

:)

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/RKsoK.gif

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago) link

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2lm9nq4ay1roxf0bo1_500.jpg

Another Star Wars 'shop, but better imo.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago) link

Tupac Hologram and the I Ching

"Tupac Hologram" is a numerological formula that purports to calculate the ebb and flow of "novelty", defined as increase over time in the universe's interconnectedness, or organized complexity.[81] According to Terence McKenna, the universe has a teleological attractor at the end of time that increases interconnectedness, eventually reaching a singularity of infinite complexity in 2012, at which point anything and everything imaginable will occur simultaneously. He conceived this idea over several years in the early to mid-1970s while using psilocybin mushrooms and DMT.[81]
McKenna expressed "novelty" in a computer program which purportedly produces a waveform known as "Tupac Hologram" or the "Tupogram". Based on McKenna's interpretation of the King Wen sequence of the I Ching,[52] the graph appears to show great periods of novelty corresponding with major shifts in humanity's biological and sociocultural evolution. He believed that the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date of November 2012. When he later discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th b'ak'tun of the Maya calendar, he revised his hypothesis so that the two dates matched.[82]

los blue jeans, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago) link

i cannot tell you how happy it makes me to see 'terence mckenna' and 'tupac hologram' in the same post

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

it's pretty badass that the song they had him do was "hail mary" imo

some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:54 (twelve years ago) link

http://vimeo.com/40316092

I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:26 (twelve years ago) link

yeah otm some dude - it was in my head all day after I watched this, such an awesome groove but a pretty left-field choice for the big reveal

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago) link

"WADDUP TAMPA G O P!" - Ronald Reagan hologram, 2012

ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:49 (twelve years ago) link

http://i54.tinypic.com/zybwo8.jpg

lebron traveled (am0n), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago) link

John Lennon would be the obvious next choice, right?

the hairy office thing (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:52 (twelve years ago) link

they should do the guy from blind melon

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

MJ

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:58 (twelve years ago) link

Steve Jobs at 2015 Mac Expo

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:02 (twelve years ago) link

steve jobs & dimebag darrell

lebron traveled (am0n), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

Mick Mars

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

plato

lebron traveled (am0n), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

The drummer from Def Leppard's other arm.

Popture, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

mohammed

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:08 (twelve years ago) link

Euronymous

I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago) link

Don passantino

I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link

"WADDUP TAMPA G O P!" - Ronald Reagan hologram, 2012

― ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Monday, April 16, 2012 11:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know what would be even more hilarious, if they did ABRAHAM LINCOLN

Hoo Nu Cookies (crüt), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link

"What the fuck is up, national review cruise??"

man down (D-40), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link

Breitbart holoheckler.

the hairy office thing (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:30 (twelve years ago) link

Apparently it wasn't a real hologram.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/04/tupac-hologram-merely-pretty-cool-optical-illusion.ars

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:49 (twelve years ago) link

wait it wasnt a hologram, just a cool optical illusion

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:10 (twelve years ago) link

the Tupac cool optical illusion

dayo, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link

don't feel like dayo's post will make sense on the excelsior thread but fuck I lol'd

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:27 (twelve years ago) link

The Tupac Projection

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

Projecting Shakur: How A Dead Man Serenaded the Masses at Coachella

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

The Tupac Supremacy

40oz of tears (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link

how far away are we from a hologram doing a full, nationwide tour?

― J0rdan S., Monday, April 16, 2012 9:44 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

not too far away, apparently

http://www.pitchfork.com/news/46182-2pac-hologram-might-be-going-on-tour/

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

MJ i think is the super obvious pick to do a worldwide hologram tour. he was basically a hologram for the last two decades of his career anyway.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

i'd be into seeing something like a live Dre/Snoop tour w/ a few Pac hologram songs as its stage show killer app, but the idea of buying a ticket to see just that is pretty depressing

some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

what kind of whimsical latinate title will the tupac hologram cirque du soleil show have?

goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

THUGLIFE obv

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

Tupaque

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

hah

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

It could always be worse, much worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH4AgH3CBBg

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

MJ i think is the super obvious pick to do a worldwide hologram tour.

The Man In The Mirror

buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

xxxp: I mean, their other shows based on artists are called "Love" (Beatles), "Viva Elvis" (duh) and "Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour" (also duh) so I think we're going to be lucky if it isn't called "2PAC: An Urban Poet Gunned Down In The Prime Of His Life By An Unknown Assailant Makes The Perfect Soundtrack For Chinese Contortionists"

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

Bellagio, 2014: Yo.

caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

the funny thing i think is gonna be now a bunch of profitable past-their-prime artists are probably going to do these elaborate 3d scans of themselves performing now so that after they die we can have a middle-aged Madonna or U2 hologram instead of a youthful '80s version

some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

Rien, Mais une Partie de Gangster

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2m0jbLVGm1qlhvawo1_500.jpg

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

i find this all disturbing beyond belief but i feel like 15 year old me would be psyched at a world with an idoru tupac

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

I think doing it as a surprise at Coachella was cool, but having people pay with the expectations of seeing Holo Tupac seems really shitty to me.

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

sorry, but this is still the best combination of real/animation in the live gig sense :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRLM7NTB7S0

or of course there was this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_gnMOom7kE

there were plans to 'tour' this type of show live, but the costs were massively prohibitive.

such a shame as that could have made the plastic beach shows a lot more more interesting.

mark e, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

hope that I live to see something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBhQbmPwH8

dayo, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

2012: A holographic Steve Jobs introduces "the new iPhone"
2015: For the tour's 25th anniversary, Madonna stages a holographic Blonde Ambition tour that's 1990 all over again
2017: Peter Hook wins intellectual property rights to the look of Joy Division in 1977. Virtual Joy Division finally complete that US tour.
2019: For its 50th anniversary, Woodstock is holographically recreated and runs continuously. 3 days of peace and music but without the mud!

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

Also... 2019: There are rumors of a holographic Stones playing a holographic Altamont

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

the holographic Grateful Dead decide to stay home and jam

Number None, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

lol death!!!

goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

lol @ drowning pool

;_; @ jay reatard

dayo, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

o I didnt know someone from drowning pool died - a markers is probably mad at me rite now

dayo, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

the holographic version g.g. allin = best option - if you have such a desire

(though the placing of him above hendrix/led zep etc = madness .. )

mark e, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

lol death!!!

― goole, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:57 PM

chuck schuldiner RIP

lebron traveled (am0n), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

Doesn't need to be a dead person, could be either Gallagher brother.

caro's johnson (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^^

ummmmm ..

mark e, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxp97yL1rv1r974tyo1_r1_500.gif

Jeff, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link

o I didnt know someone from drowning pool died - a markers is probably mad at me rite now

― dayo

\(^o^)/

markers, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago) link

There is a Drowning Pool live album called Loudest Common Denominator.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link

i would go see a holographic rodney dangerfield in a heartbeat

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

rappin rodney got my attention as well

billstevejim, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:44 (twelve years ago) link

Thought "The Tupac Hologram" was a new band name.

shabba lambides (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 06:51 (twelve years ago) link

apparently the guy who made the hologram was on bbc breakfast this morning, don't know what was said; i like to think that the breakfast hosts grilled him on the definition of the word hologram, humphrys style

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 08:56 (twelve years ago) link

they presenters called it "a remarkably realistic 3D projection"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:25 (twelve years ago) link

to his credit the dude calls it "an old theatre trick"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:26 (twelve years ago) link

a coworker just emailed this to me

goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

i would go see a holographic rodney dangerfield in a heartbeat

will stick with my memory of seeing him carry a window fan out of Bloomingdales.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

aw :)

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

the strangest haiku

boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

even in death amy winehouse still not trusted with a spot on the bill of hologram festival ;_;

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

"I just wish Michael was here with us, but I'm sure his spirit will be in the house," Jackie exclusively told me this morning.

^ this sentence made me lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2p27yS2Wo1qz5tv3o1_1280.png

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

but I'm sure his spirit will be in the house

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrgmobBLWC1qjuk1p.jpg

yologram (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

So if the foil is at an angle, does that mean that the apparitions have to be created all pulled-out and distorted like those "3-D" sidewalk chalk drawings?

pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

That would be my guess.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

2012: THE FUTURE IS FINALLY HERE AND IT KICKS ASS

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

Plz let them re-create the music video for "Can You Feel It" with 100-ft. tall holograms.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^^

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2p27yS2Wo1qz5tv3o1_1280.png

haha cool that is the exact same principle behind the teleprompter i operate at work

some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

some dude, does your studio look like a wayne white painting?

pplains, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

Well played sir.

boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

xp to forks
amazing that the pug gets a face and nothing else does. And the Bichon gets a nice curly tail :)

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 19 April 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/qE18o.jpg

dayo, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:36 (twelve years ago) link

The Who clearly missed an opportunity here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/olympics-organizers-ask-keith-moon-to-play-closing-ceremony-20120413

Tuomas, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 11:41 (eleven years ago) link

wow, "The Symphony of Rock" sounds like it's going to be great!

Number None, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 11:44 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

Drake 1 Hr(s), 5 Min(s) Ago

YOLO

Hologram Tupac REPLIED 24 Min(s), 17 Sec(s) Ago

Speak for yourself.

some dude, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

ha

fanute gingrich (The Reverend), Tuesday, 26 June 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

R.I.P. it was a hologram

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/11/technology/digital-domain-bankrupt/index.html

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link

Can't wait for the Makaveli hologram!!

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link

Tupac hologram now in secret Cuban exile with the real Tupac, who is very mystified by this turn of events

The Reverend, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link

Well maybe not.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link

i've heard that a major label is throwing the idea re a hologram supergroup around.

i.e. taking the idea behind gorillaz to the next level.

no ideas as to who they would be using but still, the very idea just seems wrong ..

kurt cobain and jim morrison together at last perhaps ..

mark e, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link

Can't wait for the Makaveli hologram!!

― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:54 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha

very sexual album (schlump), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link

i've heard that a major label is throwing the idea re a hologram supergroup around.

i.e. taking the idea behind gorillaz to the next level.

no ideas as to who they would be using but still, the very idea just seems wrong ..

kurt cobain and jim morrison together at last perhaps ..

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m25xswzGz41qzpixmo1_1280.jpg

Tuomas, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 07:38 (eleven years ago) link

Is George Harrison in hell then?

Number None, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 09:44 (eleven years ago) link

Who's to say that pic isn't Hell?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:43 (eleven years ago) link

All right, Tuomas, help me out. Who's on the far right?

pplains, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 13:21 (eleven years ago) link

Johnny Cash? I'm not sure.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link

Robert Forrester and Leonard Cohen are both still alive, so it can't be them.

pplains, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link

I think his attire would imply it's Cash, tho the hair looks weird...

Tuomas, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 13:25 (eleven years ago) link

why is everyone relaxing while amy winehouse has to serve drinks? doesn't seem fair imo

=life on the chesapeake= (reddening), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link

Ha, not in a million years would I have gotten this right:

http://scintillates-with-awesome.tumblr.com/post/20711668010/jim-morrison-kurt-cobain-amy-winehouse-bob

pplains, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link

Because it is her wine house.

xp

pplains, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link

is Hendrix on the Newky Brown there? respect tbh

it's-a me, irl (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link

haha Meir Ariel

he's kind of the Dylan figure of Israel, but Israel is a pretty small country

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

he's good though

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

R.I.P. it was a hologram

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/11/technology/digital-domain-bankrupt/index.html

― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:17 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have this image of the unused Tupac hologram just sitting slouched on a box in some warehouse now, blinking his eyes or exhaling condensation at programmed intervals

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link

Poor Frank Zappa isn't even allowed in, he has to stand on a ladder and look in through a boxy window.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/W0Fja.png

― lag∞n, Monday, September 10, 2012 8:14 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was sort of hoping that wasn't a picture in the background of that GWB shot, but instead a little window that Laura Bush was photobombing through

― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, September 10, 2012 8:19 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pplains, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link

eight months pass...

Jason Aldean and Kelly Clarkson have apparently been singing their duet to holograms of each other. I guess how effective it looks depends on where you're sitting, but it is kinda funny to hear the crowd go apeshit in this video, right around :30 or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpSvAxQhPtI

pplains, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 18:10 (ten years ago) link

singing their duet to holograms of each other

way of the future

steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link

How long before a commercial model? Like in 5 years can I just download the Beatles and have them play at my bbq?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:02 (ten years ago) link

it's basically just a projector + a reflective surface + an appropriate transparent surface on which to project it (the illusion is pepper's ghost, what a lot of magicians use). like, the setup is of course not trivial but i suppose ppl could be having the beatles play their bbq right now if they wanted

dyl, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:19 (ten years ago) link

See: the Tupac hologram

pplains, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 23:28 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

according to the radio ads, eazy e has been added to the holo lineup along w/ odb

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:20 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/T2ageoz.jpg

乒乓, Thursday, 24 October 2013 13:18 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...
two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yuSBgBC35I

almost bought one of these on a whim yesterday (i believe they are around $500 USD). this is new handheld holography tech from China. apparently there are a bunch of consumer grade LED holograph projectors on the market. the future's gonna be cool.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link

holy shit, that is really cool and i would love to see what other things can be displayed besides coca-cola bottles, mcdonalds, and $ signs

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link

i think they are basically video players and take the usual formats AVI, MP4, etc. they are around 40cm in diameter, about the size of a shield. imagine setting up several of these in a room - you could do some amazing stuff!

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link

Like chopping your fingers off while trying to grab Pokemon.

pplains, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

rivers cuomo is looking good, honestly

I thought it was Andy Samberg, TBH

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link

Wouldn't it be cheaper just to hire a Buddy Holly impersonator and, like, give him a hotel room every night than invent hologram technology that you then have to lug around the country

space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:40 (four years ago) link

that dude is the lamest looking buddy

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:47 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

no holograms involved, but this is an interesting interview with holly herndon on the recent song by Travisbott, which is an AI trained on Travis Scott (without his permission).

herndon touches on the possibility (the inevitability, according to herndon) of labels using AI to create new songs which mimic the voices of older singers. Just train an AI on a bunch of tracks of an elvis voice, then have elvis guest on a new song. "My music may suck but I'm on a major label (ft. Elvis)". interesting to think about, and given the strange popularity of shitty remixes of older songs, it does seem inevitable.

...Spawn, Herndon's "collaborator," was trained on different, consenting human voices ranging from Herndon’s own to that of a 14-piece choir; she denies that Travisbott is an extension of her work even outside of ethical considerations. “We used audio material [instead of MIDI], which is actually much harder.” When she spoke with The FADER in 2019 about Proto, Herndon said she saw something like Travisbott coming: “I think we're going to see a flood of automated compositions, people using neural nets to extract the logic from other people's work, and a lot of appropriation. We're going to see big issues around attribution.” Now that this future has arrived, what’s next? Speaking over Skype, Herndon succinctly broke down her concerns while rejecting the “evil robot” vision of the future.

...

Q: Do you think that one day voice modeling is something that could buttress this tendency to keep revisiting the same pop archetypes?

A: Oh, 100%. Are you kidding me? There's so many labels with gold mines worth of master tapes that they're just dying to reanimate. That's definitely going to happen.

We'll see what the public decides that they want, or what they don't want. We also decided as a society that it's okay to not pay for music. So I don't know, maybe we're going to also decide that entertainment trumps everything else. We're going to see a lot of retro fetishism artistic necrophilia. And maybe some of it's even going to be interesting. But we have to figure out the ethics around it, and I don't think anyone's even wanting to have that conversation. We're still all excited about the shiny new toy instead of thinking about what it means.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

um.

pplains, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 02:49 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

The logical next step is to make their aging audience into holograms too.

Imagine you don’t have to walk up those endless arena hallways and stairs anymore on the way to your seat, just watch the concert straight from the retirement home and see your younger self stagediving & crowdsurfing.

Siegbran, Sunday, 3 December 2023 17:49 (four months ago) link


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