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because this dude has outgrown the R&B thread

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 07:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

new ep is fantastic. 'adorn' and 'gravity' are immediately brilliant but 'that i do' has also really grown on me. i only really remember loving 'sure thing' and 'all i want is you' from the album last year but this has made me wanna relisten.

bass, Sunday, 4 March 2012 11:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've come to the opinion that "Quickie" is the best single from the debut

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Sunday, 4 March 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i love the new EP, this after "all i want is you" and "sure thing" were basically my favorite r&b songs of the past 2 years. he's making a case for replacing jeremih as my facvorite male r&b singer

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

how big is this dude now I have no sense of scale for pop music anymore

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

genuinely like what I've heard of his

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" is the best song I've heard this year. Thanks Rev!

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

how big is this dude now I have no sense of scale for pop music anymore

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:46 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

"sure thing" was the #1 song on u.s. urban radio last year and his song w/ wale brings his total of big r&b hits to 4, but he hasn't crossed over to pop audiences at all, even to the moderate extent of trey songz or whoever

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess he's in that weird robin thicke zone of 'non-black r&b singer whose fanbase is predominantly black'

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Miguel Jontel Pimentel was born in Los Angeles.[1][2] He is one of two sons born to a Mexican father and an African American mother.[2]

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh word, i thought he was just full on hoos is mexican

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:21 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is prob the best part about it!

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

like it ends and I'm all "what a good song that was"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

what a good post that was

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I grew up w/ indian parents who only listened to indian music but since I grew up in new orleans they also listened to a lot of aaron neville and only nevilee (????) and I think there is something nevilleish abt this that I really appreciate

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

didn't mean to spell him wrong the second time

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

"that i do" is incredible

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is my favourite on the EP i think

"adorn" hasn't clicked with me yet, i think with these reedy-voiced guys like miguel and jeremih, i find myself either falling head over heels with songs where some alchemy makes them sound perfect ("sure thing", "birthday sex", "imma star") or i'm left a bit cold.

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

the production doesn't grab you?

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's nice? it might sneak up on me in time.

it's not the single of the year, it's not even the r&b single of the year lol

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

*shrug*

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah "adorn" is my favorite song this year too i think. out of the 20 i've heard at least

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

haven't heard it yet but aren't there only like 2 other songs on the EP? 'best of three' is kind of...anyway "Adorn" is nice but i have absolutely no idea how it's in any way different from or better than anything off the first album.

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not saying that it is! just that it's the best song i've heard this year

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is really good too

al you don't see how "adorn" is stylistically different than like, "sure thing"?

bron paul (k3vin k.), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

you just gotta vibe to adorn, dude

flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i vibe to it, but i also vibe to his whole album.

at this point he's only got a fairly small number of songs out that are all good to great and none too similar to each other. so "adorn" is unique but of a piece of that body of work just as "sure thing" is. its brevity is the only thing i see as any kind of departure.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I need to check out this ep. Thanks

curmudgeon, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

So I found this 2005 12-inch in a dollar bin a year and a half ago, and I bought it on the off chance it was the same Miguel. Turns out it was. The song is very much a product of its time.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

just went on Spotify to see if they had the new EP, they don't, but they do have a single he apparently released in 2011 called "Strawberry Amazing," which i had never heard anything about before, pretty good, very lo-fi Prince

something i noticed on the Art Dealer Chic liner notes -- Miguel self-produced the whole thing (except for one co-production from Fisticuffs, who did "Quickie" and "Girls Like You"). afaik Miguel didn't really do any of the production on the first album, so it looks like he's really stepping up and getting more involved in that side of things.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Strawberry Amazing" was on his 2008's Mischief, too, and he co-produced that entire mixtape with Fisticuffs. That mixtape was super lo-fi; it sounds like he recorded it with a Casio and a boombox, but you can definitely hear a lot of echoes of the new EP in it.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't really feel like the Jive album sanded off the edges of that aesthetic much at all, give or take a few of the more established producers' contributions

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I agree. When I first heard the Jive album, I was actually surprised by how low-budget it sounded at times, especially the Fisticuffs productions. Because it came out so quietly at the time (this was before "Sure Thing" had any legs) I was wondering if Jive had cut corners and were just trying to bury the album. It definitely took a few listens for some of the more muffled production to make sense.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I kind of think of that hazy, reverbed vibe as the album's distinguishing characteristic. Gives it a very warm, intimate feel. Although a lot of that is down to Miguel himself, too.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

like Strawberry Amazing but always hear a little Lenny Kravitz :/

bnw, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Climax" hasn't really hit me yet. I'm an "Adorn" partisan.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

wanna say "dayo otm", but i guess i got something to listen to when i get home

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

My ex is friends w his little brother lol. Apparently he sings too tho not professionally afaik

I like miguel. Sure thing was never my thing but he has a great voice and feels like a genuine original

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 01:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think EZsnappin nailed it on tumblr where he said "Adorn" sounds like early-80s Marvin. The greater trick though, is that he achieves that vibe without any air of tribute or homage.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

ban dayo

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is so killing me atm

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

i agree with dayo that "climax" is better than "adorn"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 10:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" makes me think of Prince fwiw

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

it makes me think of Prince less than 80% of his material but he definitely wrote it in part because he couldn't write another song called "Adore"

some dude, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

nbd, just a cross between marvin gaye & prince

john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 12:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

vol 2, tomorrow

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

my neighbors always know when I come home because I bump adorn 4 times

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

^____^

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i d/led it from miguel's site which requires you to fill out a non-optional "Hopes and Dreams" box to download lololol smh

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 02:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think I like "Arch n Point" even more than "Adorn"! This is sooooooooooo good... even on my shitty laptop speakers it just sounds fantastic

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Broads" is a tad wacky

Number None, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 09:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's just terrible. Like, delete-from-iTunes bad.

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

god damn "arch n point"

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah I'm unchecking 'broads'

dayo, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love how fucking LOUD "Arch n Point" is... that guitar!

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow, "...all" might be better?

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

"arch n point" could def be a trey songz album track, but like 10x better

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

man, "...all" is almost threatening to be organ house

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

this shit bangs

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i think "...all" might be my favorite from this one

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Didn't realize we had a Miguel thread! Although in retrospect, duh.

Vol. 2 > Vol. 1 I think, although Adorn >>>> all the other tracks from the project.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

naw, i think (although my opinion on this might change) "gravity" > any of the tracks on vol 2 also

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah listened to volume 2 today and nothing stuck with me at all really, kinda disappointed

but then went back and listened to vol 1, all i want is you, and mischief, so all is good. i seriously slept on all i want is you for so long

recent thug (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

i kinda wonder how many people on this thread are still sleeping on all i want is you

some dude, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

did you ever come around on the title track?

recent thug (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know about Mischief, d/ling that now.

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i came around on the title track, although the salaam remi stuff on the album is still generally my least favorite

some dude, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

mischeif is not mindblowing or anything, miguel's voice is obviosly the main draw but the production's not great and the songwriting isn't nearly as strong as his recent work

recent thug (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh word

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are small, scattered moments on Mischief where everything clicks and its like, "oh right, I love this guy." I've gotten a ton of writing done to that mixtape over the last couple of years; it's good background music that still kind of jams

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just still can't believe that he did the hooks on that Blu & Exile album from back in 2007.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

saying "gravity" is the best thing off these tapes is clinically insane

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

you are underrating "gravity", which is amazing, but i don't think anyone said that

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i misread you

i'd still rate them as adorn > ...all > arch n point > gravity

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

the thick bassline + the harmonies on the "shoo-di-doo da-di-da da-di-da-dah" chorus >>>>>>

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

'broads' is cute enough, what's the big problem

haven't heard his very earliest stuff but at least on all i want is you there was a clear pharrell/nerd vibe going and 'broads' is just some more of that writ a little too large. can't pretend it's not there though

i'd even argue you can make a case for still being able to hear trace elements of it in the new good widescreen stuff too really, but then i guess your imagination would need to stretch to what a decent latter-era nerd song would sound like

in any case it's true what rev says about miguel's elision of "any air of tribute or homage" whoever he may happen to sound like - a very nice trick to have

r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

'broads' is cute enough, what's the big problem

agree with this.

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't really hear the pharrell/nerd thing at all tho

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Broads is pretty catchy and all. I just don't see myself listening to it again

Number None, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

the thick bassline + the harmonies on the "shoo-di-doo da-di-da da-di-da-dah" chorus >>>>>>

― if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:09 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

was also thinking he has this really great way with harmonies that beautifully tie kinda meandering or seemingly disparate or just idk unresolved songs together - 'gravity', 'adorn' and 'sure thing' only truly become sure things once it happens

r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

think i already said this last year but from 2:25 on 'girls like you' is nerd chapter & verse no question at least - and that's no huge leap from 'broads' really. the more intuitive stuff from then on i'm not gonna harp on about tho cos it's not like i really want to think of him in pharrellian terms that much either - just saying it's a strand in the dna is all

r|t|c, Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, his way with harmony is n/l

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'll get back to you about "girls like you"

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

there is TOTALLY a pharrell vibe and i never thought i'd say that about an R&B singer i wasn't trying to insult

some dude, Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

no thoughts on this yet but glad r|t|c is back missed ur posts bro

Peace (peaceful) (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah web boo

recent thug (k3vin k.), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

er, wb

recent thug (k3vin k.), Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

r|t|c, Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

"yeah web boo" cracking me up so much

some dude, Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

"...all" is the standout track imo

dayo, Thursday, 29 March 2012 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

relistened to "Girls Like You" and i still dgi. Miguel as a singer sounds effortless, whereas Pharrell, even at his best, sounds labored, and his backing tracks are very loose, whereas the Neptures were always about hyperprecision. Even their more ramshackle moments sound pointedly so, like they made absolutely sure that bongo was just exactly that much offbeat.

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

you're overthinking it

some dude, Thursday, 29 March 2012 02:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just don't hear it at all!

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 03:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

not even on a superficial level

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 03:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

you're listening hard to the singing and the production style when we're referring more broadly to the overall vibe. the 'beautiful girls, intelligent girls, i hate ya' part definitely could've come out of a nerd song.

some dude, Thursday, 29 March 2012 03:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok ok, i gotcha now

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 03:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

saying "gravity" is the best thing off these tapes is clinically insane

"gravity" is the best thing off these tapes. it's all about the overlapping shoo-be-doos and ba-ba-bas at the end. i also prefer vol 2 to vol 1, "...all" is stunning.

just don't get what you all see in "adorn", i can never remember a single thing about it after it ends.

gravity > ...all > arch & point >>>>>>>>> adorn > that i do > broads

lex pretend, Thursday, 29 March 2012 09:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i can never remember a single thing about it after it ends.

Funny, this is how I feel about Gravity.

Adorn > ...ALL > Arch N Point >>>>>>>>> Gravity > That I Do > Broads

(erhm... so there!)

MikoMcha, Thursday, 29 March 2012 09:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

But I like everything on these tapes, really. They're great on the whole!

MikoMcha, Thursday, 29 March 2012 09:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man every time i listen to volume 1 i'm like "i love 'that i do' so much"

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 March 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

It speaks to the quality of these EPs that there's no consensus whatsoever on which tracks are the best.

Evan R, Thursday, 29 March 2012 14:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

And as much as I'm enjoying receiving these songs in drops, I can't wait to glue them together into a nine-song album.

Evan R, Thursday, 29 March 2012 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Broads" is horrible. Only dud thus far.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 29 March 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i can never remember a single thing about it after it ends.

this is how I feel about all the songs I love best, like you can't remember a thing except that you really like it so you play the song again.. I remember having this same feeling about 'umbrella'

dayo, Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

"adorn"'s main charm is its warm, woozy atmosphere and miguel's meandering falsetto; more than a song built almost entirely around hooks like "umbrella" i can understand how it'd be "forgettable" after a first listen, even if that's not necessarily a point against it

recent thug (k3vin k.), Thursday, 29 March 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

have described "adorn" to other people as "sexual healing pt. 2"

don't know how accurate that is but there's something in the ease of the delivery, in the airiness of the backing track

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

"adorn"'s main charm is its warm, woozy atmosphere and miguel's meandering falsetto; more than a song built almost entirely around hooks like "umbrella" i can understand how it'd be "forgettable" after a first listen, even if that's not necessarily a point against it

― recent thug (k3vin k.), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:53 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think that's true of every ep song except 'adorn' - yeah it seems like it's got the rarefied atmosphere but that monster 808 bass over the shuffling vox sample drives that frailness on and on, the awesome pure monolith of choral harmony proves his devotion with complete certainty. and the absolute confidence in just the sheer brevity of it! very different to, very similar to, on a par with, and about as forgettable as 'promise' imho. the dude fucking nailed it

r|t|c, Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

by which i mean not remotely forgettable obv

(seriously my ipod headphones were broken for like a week after it came out and i literally CRAVED to hear it all day til i got back home)

r|t|c, Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I listened to "Adorn" about 30 times in a row when it dropped and I never do that.

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just listened to it like 5 right now

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

'adorn' is full of hooks btw

dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

'gravity' is my least fav track I think. not a fan of 'dirty basslines' in general

dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

did not like 'all i want is you' that much either

dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

also his new scruffy facial hair look is ... nagl

dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

nagl haaawt

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha I prefer futuristic space streamlined miguel

dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

'adorn' is full of hooks btw

― dayo, Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:32 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah sure but they're kind of purposefully obscured, that was my point

recent thug (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

great, revelatory rtc post as usual

recent thug (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

the sure thing look was v weird and not flattering imo

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

and hilarious

some dude, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

true

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

he did look very smashable like this tho:

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

'gravity' is my least fav track I think. not a fan of 'dirty basslines' in general

dirty basslines are the best thing in music

"adorn" is one of those things you crave or you don't i guess, i've made myself listen to it a ton to try to get what you all hear it but i'm not feeling any craving :(

lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2012 08:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

one trusts u are not listening to it thru lappy speakers?

r|t|c, Friday, 30 March 2012 10:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

total craving at this end.

Tim F, Friday, 30 March 2012 10:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

nope normal speakers though it doesn't sound quite...mastered?

there's an aqueous synth throughout that i don't particularly like, it doesn't sound quite in tune

lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2012 10:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

just relistening again and omg "gravity" is SO MUCH BETTER i can't believe i'm the only one who thinks that. those backing vox>>>>>>

lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2012 10:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just finished listening to "adorn" again and i couldn't sing any of it if you asked.

lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2012 10:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

and that moment where he hits that note for one second and everything drops out and THEN he sings "i'm just a shooting star" <3

lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2012 10:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

THEEESE LIPS drrm drmm drmm drmm

r|t|c, Friday, 30 March 2012 10:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

no doubt 'gravity' is really really good but it's also the most predictable by far of the ep songs and thus the least rewarding in comparison. harshly speaking it's kind of the general step-up from the first album you expected rather than the quantum leap you get with the rest

like i know this'll be just me but i'd even go so far as to say i'm more interested in listening to 'broads' again to gauge its wonky badness than i am 'gravity'

r|t|c, Friday, 30 March 2012 11:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

do people like "That I Do"? Doesn't do much for me

Number None, Friday, 30 March 2012 11:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp also i don't actually know what the plan is for these songs but i will be more favourable to 'gravity' should it to appear on an album as part of some flow rather than assessing it just on its jones

r|t|c, Friday, 30 March 2012 11:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

'Gravity' totally reminds of Neptunes, especially in their more N.E.R.D. rock guise, the intro's real Pharrell-styles. I'm being too harsh to say it's a forgettable track, but it just leaves me a bit cold emotionally.

MikoMcha, Friday, 30 March 2012 11:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess i'm not actually that convinced by miguel when he's not being somewhat predictable and generic yet - i find the whole "art dealer chic" concept slightly try-hard, i still think the last album is just "sure thing" + varying degrees of okay-ness and i think of him as someone who can turn well-worn tricks into magic rather than blow my mind with new tricks

lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2012 11:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Quickie" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. "Sure Thing"

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Friday, 30 March 2012 11:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I make no friends)

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Friday, 30 March 2012 11:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

"That I Do" seems like the least memorable of these songs. I am really taken with "Arch & Point" right now.

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Friday, 30 March 2012 11:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

The tryhardness of the Art Dealer Chic concept really has no bearing on the quality of these songs whatsoever. Miguel has quite simply transcended his pretensions, whatever they may be.

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Friday, 30 March 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

"that i do" is really busy-sounding but it's totally great to listen to while you're like walking around somewhere

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, 30 March 2012 11:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

what does he even think is so chic about art dealers, idgi

r|t|c, Friday, 30 March 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a signifier of new wealth innit

dayo, Friday, 30 March 2012 12:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not even so sure he doesn't mean "art dealer chick" tbh

some dude, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

art dealer sheik

johnny crunch, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i still think the last album is just "sure thing" + varying degrees of okay-ness and i think of him as someone who can turn well-worn tricks into magic rather than blow my mind with new tricks

I think the package itself is something new. What sets Miguel apart from every popular R&B singer is he attempts something new, different or just a little bizarre with literally every track. Most singers take some risks, of course, but for him they're the foundation of what he does. He's really defined by his restlessness.

Evan R, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

what are these new, different and bizarre things? assuming you don't mean the art dealer shtick.

what i loved about "sure thing", and what i love about miguel when i do love him, is that he does songs that you can imagine anyone doing, but no one pulling off quite like him.

lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Listening to "Adorn" and "Gravity" again just now and I realized my love for "Adorn" is greater because I prefer Marvin Gaye homage over Bilal homage.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

what i love about miguel when i do love him, is that he does songs that you can imagine anyone doing, but no one pulling off quite like him.

I really can't imagine a Trey Songz or a Chris Brown doing "Adorn" or "Arch N Point" or even "Gravity." Miguel owns his aesthetic in a way those singers don't.

Evan R, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah but what do you think his aesthetic is? specifically? i can certainly hear trey songz doing "arch & point". bobby valentino too. omarion's "forgot about love" was something i tended to file next to miguel too.

lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

In a word, "exotic," maybe. Synths that are a little more warped or muffled than you typically hear; tempos that are just a little bit off; song structures that are a little more tightly knotted than the norm (he packs five minutes worth of song into three); guitars and riffs that are strikingly loud. He's not re-writing the book every time, but he's always tweaking it.

Evan R, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

And, come on, there's nothing in Bobby Valentino's catalog remotely like "Arch N Point." Just on blunt, first-impression sonics alone, you really can't hear the difference between Miguel and boilerplate Bobby?

Evan R, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

dog what are you even

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

"rearview (ridin')"? that sounds more out-there than anything miguel's done. though all of the things you describe are actually the things i dislike about the art dealer songs and had previously attributed to bad mastering or whatever - the rhythms don't always fit the songs, some of the synths make me feel queasy and elements that are too loud just sound like ass.

lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2012 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just listened to these after mostly ignoring this guy (thought "quickie" was gross), and they're indeed pretty terrific. Great production, great singing.

"Broads" is kinda cute if it's meant to be a joke (which I think it is) but if not its pretty repulsive.

Look at how funky he is! (jer.fairall), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i can't wait to get my whole fucking team on

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 11:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

o_O

The Reverend, Saturday, 14 April 2012 07:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

so no vol 3 today, eh?

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha i just checked the site an hour ago and saw there was only a 'coming soon' page for it

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm always amazed when shit like this actually does come out on time

Evan R, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm a bigger stan for "Arch & Point" than for "Sure Thing" at this point.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'd like to get angry about this sorta thing but i have no leg to stand on when it comes to doing things on time, so...

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm sure it's more a matter of some intern hitting 'publish' than miggy in the studio until the wee hours last night trying to get THREE WHOLE SONGS tracked and mixed in time

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

he wanted to make those tracks were sure things

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

CLINK

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

if anything can console me, it's nabisco writing about vols 1 & 2

http://pitchfork.com/features/why-we-fight/8821-why-we-fight/

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

also i think i dig "quickie" more than "sure thing" now... the production on quickie is so great. the way those spindly guitar lines sorta slowly float away, the liveness of the drums. it's all very post-coital.

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i pretty much shake my first at each and every notion that anything is better than "sure thing" but "quickie" is pretty great, yeah

✧✧✧✧✧✧@are.forever (some dude), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

that whole album, man. "hard way" is my fav sleeper cut

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

thx for the nabs link, i'll have to remember to read that

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

err i meant "teach me". "hard way" is good too tho

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

He said on his twitter vol 3 is coming later today

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh dope

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

We're discussing the release of this thing like we're waiting for Papa John's to deliver that large pie.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 April 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

going online like "why they gon make that miguel tape?"

some dude, Friday, 27 April 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

miguel just seems very cool & nice!

https://twitter.com/#!/MiguelUnlimited/status/195932768054673408

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 April 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

abebe chic

some dude, Friday, 27 April 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

what is he referring to?

bnw, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/features/why-we-fight/8821-why-we-fight/

i have been on the internet too much today

rob, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.zshare.ma/4jtllbl1rnn9

tundra, Saturday, 28 April 2012 05:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ vol3 if it wasnt clear

tundra, Saturday, 28 April 2012 05:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

thank you!

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Saturday, 28 April 2012 13:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

thanks!

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 28 April 2012 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

digging it

dayo, Saturday, 28 April 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

yea 'party life' is p good. feel like it'd serve for some p killer remixes

johnny crunch, Saturday, 28 April 2012 13:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

"ooh ahh" is old tho :(

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Saturday, 28 April 2012 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Weakest of the three, though that's not really an insult

Evan R, Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah - I find it to be the most even though, like all three songs mesh and flow better than the other two EPs

dayo, Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

though arch n point -> ...all is the best 1-2 combo

dayo, Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes. "Candles in the Sun" drifts; it's as if he wants to sound like the Gaye of Here, My Dear without having thought through how to realize his political pretensions.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

It seems a little odd he choose the 3x-free EP format, since he doesn't seem like a very prolific songwriter. Seems to record at a slow pace, and he sometimes recycles songs ("Strawberry Amazing" as a single; "Ooh Ahh.") I don't mind, since those are good songs and he's perfecting them, I just don't want the new album (if there is one) to be the other songs from Mischief

Evan R, Saturday, 28 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

guys

I can't get "Arch & Point" out of my head.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

what order is this one supposed to be in

J0rdan S., Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

is ooh ahh from an old mixtape

J0rdan S., Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

the tracks are numbered, no?

Number None, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

not on my download (which is the official)

mine goes, candle ->ooh ahh -> party life

J0rdan S., Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's the opposite way round

Number None, Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's backwards

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

is ooh ahh from an old mixtape

― J0rdan S., Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:52 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's from mischief, yeah

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

is it the same version or rerecorded?

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not sure, i had a 7 minute car ride this morning and skipping after th first minute of that gave me time to finish the last song , ha

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Saturday, 28 April 2012 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Love the new EP, great series!

(except for 'Broads', which I have deleted)

MikoMcha, Sunday, 29 April 2012 09:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Finally listening to all these, loving it so far.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

incidentally have we covered what "That I Do (FTRMX)" is exactly, is there an original non-remix version that's been out there since before the EP?

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

It seems a little odd he choose the 3x-free EP format, since he doesn't seem like a very prolific songwriter. Seems to record at a slow pace, and he sometimes recycles songs ("Strawberry Amazing" as a single; "Ooh Ahh.") I don't mind, since those are good songs and he's perfecting them, I just don't want the new album (if there is one) to be the other songs from Mischief

― Evan R, Saturday, April 28, 2012 12:27 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

wouldn't make it the ideal format for him? trickling out 9 or fewer new songs between albums would make more sense than splattering out a couple of 50-minute mixtapes or a weekly series

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost -- I was going to ask that, that and "...All" are my favorites so far.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i almost want to start a poll but i would feel bad about the slightly overrated "Adorn" crushing everything else

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it's a sure thing that adorn would triumph over all the others

dayo, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

dude have you seen some of the hyperbole itt about that song

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha I was going to start a poll last night. I may yet.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 14:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" will not top my list.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 14:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Who is that at the end of "Candles" anyway, I kinda stupidly assume Lennon but I'm not sure.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

it is Lennon

Number None, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

dude have you seen some of the hyperbole itt about that song

― some dude, Monday, April 30, 2012 10:44 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

most of it came before vol. 2 dropped tho

dayo, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah there has been more hyperbole about "Broads" lately, i suppose

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

you're right, def think 'broads' would walk a poll

dayo, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Broads" is the only one I deleted.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

dayo we gotta be careful about shooting sarcasm lasers simultaneously, don't cross the streams

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

bite your head off, man

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

ships do you wanna do like a "x > y >>> z" format top 5 breakdown on ur miggy faves so i know where ur coming from exactly

r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

or do the poll and do it there, w/e

r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2012 15:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

a) top 5 of ADC or all his stuff? b) where i'm coming from about his music in general or where i'm coming from with some particular post itt?

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 15:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

all his stuff, i guess i was mainly thinking about how far you'd rate 'sure thing' above the newer stuff (i assumed you would) but then wanting to know how overrated you see 'adorn' as being in adc's context

(obv number of arrows is not really a proper metric but we'll be here all day otherwise)

r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

deleting songs off releases is still scarcely conceivable savagery to me btw, does everyone really do that

r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

still kinda feeling out the ADC stuff because from one listen to the next one song might sound great and another drab or tacky and then on the next listen they switch places. to be clear "Adorn" is def one of the better new songs, just think the SINGLE OF THE YEAR talk is a bit over the top.

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

i didn't delete "broads" but i did uncheck it

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

i never delete songs (whole albums to make room sometimes, but never individual songs). i don't even skip tracks if i'm going through an album in non-shuffle mode.

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

just think the SINGLE OF THE YEAR talk is a bit over the top.

this is ILM

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

well i mean, better "Adorn" than the new Bieber, but still

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

ftr "adorn" is still my favorite song this year -- or at least my most listened to

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually that's not true, it's behind a grimes album track

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

is vol 3 meant to be the last ADC?

it's aight but like the others i'm not really...enraptured. something seems off with the sound, it's like i'm listening to it through a drainpipe or something

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

smh j0rdan

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

can't get behind Vol. 3 either. It sounds tentative; he's trying sounds and lyrical ideas that aren't realized.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's funny, you'd think that releasing music in 3-song sets would at least ensure that nothing is disposable but on each of these there's one song i don't particularly care about hearing again

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

and actually across them all only three real keepers for me, and none of those even close to "sure thing"

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

that assessment of the entire project isn't totally off but i'm willing to overlook a few forgettable tracks on account of three of my absolute favorite songs of the year being included (along with a bunch of good tho not great tracks)

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk yeah i don't really ever think in single of the year terms (altho i know it's not 'adorn') but i do believe it has an iconic kinda one-shot calling card quality about it that sets it apart from the equally-good songs it comes with. the brevity is a huge part of it, another couple of minutes and i'd probably rate it behind 'arch n point' and 'all'

re "uncheck", right yeah i was thinking maybe it's an itunes culture kinda thing (i don't really do itunes)

r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmm well i think the best of these might scrape my top 50 tracks of the year so far. might.

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd rank them in descending order:

Arch n Point
...All
Adorn
Gravity
Party Up

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

vol.3 is a shade of miguel that i know is in all his stuff but don't really like arranged together quite so pat

bandnames are failing me right now but i guess "sounding like the killers or whatever" will do for starters

r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i like the clunky guitar stuff on "ooh ahh"

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

bandnames are failing me right now but i guess "sounding like the killers or whatever" will do for starters

vicious

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

...all > arch & point > gravity >>>>>> the rest, don't really care

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

is vol 3 meant to be the last ADC?

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, April 30, 2012 12:14 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've seen a lot of mentions of it being a series of 3, this being the last of the series, etc. although without seeing it in any official pr/interview or anything i'm not really 100% sure.

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

the website makes it seem so -- it's only listed three volumes for weeks

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

personally i think this "shabadoo" backing vocals on "gravity" are kinda corny

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

the*

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

does the 'vol 3' link on the ADC site still go to vol 2? i had to dl it off the link itt.

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah i got an email for vol 3

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

corny maybe, but at least somewhat memorable

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

as far as overt prince rips go i think "party life" is pretty good -- something about the cadence of his singing strikes me as very accurate but not in an obvious way

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not ready to definitively rate or rank these yet. Everything this dude makes has a way of growing on me over time (which is a pretty cool feat given how short and direct so many of his songs are)

Evan R, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think in general i'm actually more bullish on vol 3 than the rest of y'all, the more i listen to it. def nothing that tops the titanic tracks on the other 2 vols but i think it's a nice bow on top if you listen to all three straight thru -- a bit of a stylistic pivot but not obviously so... and still idiosyncratic in the little ways that he his. and i guess i think "candles in the sun, blowin in the wind" is being a bit underrated. certainly hamhanded as far as its politics go but i think it's a pretty good tune.

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i like that one a lot

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thematically and sonically it's of a piece with the call to arms aimed at misfits and outcasts in "...All."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

altho i do deduce a few points for pronouncing "other" like "uhva" as if he was british

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 April 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is my most-listened to non-dawn richard (who is in her own league, obv) track this year by more than twice over

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Monday, 30 April 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

me too probably. i like most of the other stuff just fine but imo most of "all i want is you" > most of ADC

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

...alll >>>>>>>>> adorn >>> arch and point

dayo, Monday, 30 April 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's always that bit in 'all' with him going "tee-tee tell em how to elevate" where it totally breaks the blippy springsteen vibe picturing him misreading his iphone lyrics

r|t|c, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 10:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean it kinda works actually but still

r|t|c, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 10:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know it's a horrific epidemic, but "babies on crack" will never not be unintentionally funny. Any message track that wants to be taken seriously needs to recognize that

Evan R, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

that opening line's resonance with "Be Thankful for What You Got" really throws me off every time. I assume it's intentional, but him singing "babies on crack" instead of "sunroof top" makes that phrase stick out even more.

rob, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is from evan's ADC review

"arguably the most engaging singles run of any R&B album since Usher’s Confessions."

interesting position imo -- how do we feel about it? i may be inclined to agree w/ it, but that's a long time

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

i agree -- there are probably a couple albums with 3 hits as strong as All/Sure/Quickie, but might be cluttered up with a couple duds too

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

fav post-Confessions R&B singles campaigns: first Ne-Yo album, B'Day, Double Up, first 2 Keyshia Cole albums, BLACKsummers'night, first The-Dream album, first two John Legend albums, Emancipation of Mimi, second Ciara album

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was going to say Ne-Yo through Year of the Gentleman, Ciara, and Maxwell myself.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

but none of these guys has excited me like Miguel; I have no idea what shit this guy's gonna do next.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I should also point out that I don't particularly care for the Confessions period of Usher's career.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah 'love/hate', 'goodies' and 'emanicpation' were my first three thoughts, but i think i'd take the 'all i want is you' trio over mariah, and probably have it tied w/ ciara behind the-dream

'blacksummersnight' is an interesting pick too... i didn't think of it but "pretty wings" and "bad habits" are monsters... i like "fistful of tears" a lot but it doesn't seem on the level of those two

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

"when you're mad is good" but it's kind of a major dip in b/w "so sick" and "sexy love" imo (last of which is my favorite late 90s max martin song that max martin never wrote in the late 90s)

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i love the album itself more than the singles per se, was just spitballing. "Fistful of Tears" came alive for me as a single, though.

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha want to hear a song called "when you're mad is good"

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

excuse my sloppy quotations there

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i LOVE "when you're mad" and think "sexy love" is kind of eh personally

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

man it's weird that they only released two singles off 'rappa ternt sanga', that coulda been in the running imo

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually fuck i'd rate the YOTG singles over everything -- "closer" -> "miss independent" -> "mad" was the most exhilarating singles run i can remember... anytime you got in the car was like a race against time before you had to get out and maybe not hear whatever the big ne-yo song of the time was

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i thought about 3rd ne-yo too after i posted. love the first two but was never real into the sneezing song.

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Sexy Love" taught me to love "So Sick." "Because of You" was an even better use of the same template. The only thing that killed the run imo was whatever followed up "Because of You." I can't even remember it.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Do You," which yes, was awful.

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh interesting, sh!p. I'd gladly read a defense of BOY, a worse album than even Libra Scale.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Can We Chill" and "Go On Girl" were admirable non-hits, though

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

wiki says his next album is called The R.E.D. album, which can't be right

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

BOY is actually the only album of his i haven't heard, at the time the singles just disappointed me too much

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

there was a whole thing recently about him announcing that and the game politely responding that he was okay with it

i'm kind of disappointed that he isn't running with the astoundingly bad original title: The Cracks In Mr. Perfect

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Crack on My B.E.D.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

if i had to do a rough ranking of best three consecutive singles off a post-confessions r&b album i'd go w/

1 year of the gentleman
2 love/hate
3 goodies
4 all i want is you
5 blacksummersnight
6 chris brown s/t
7 basic instinct
8 futuresex/love sounds
9 thr33 ringz
10 konvicted

? i'm probably forgetting something tho

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorta fudging it i think cuz in some places i'm not necessarily counting the best three FIRST singles, but hey

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd thrown in Marsha Ambrosius, although I prefer her album in toto.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh good call

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol had to throw in Basic Instinct huh smh

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Miguel singles were all great tracks in their own right, but they were also really effective at introducing this new singer; each one revealed a little bit more about his act and persona. Really smart campaign.

So for me it's neck and neck between AIWISY and YOTG, with Goodies and BlackSUMMERSnight a bit behind. Those Ne-Yo singles were just so damn good; that was a singles campaign that really felt that a movement

Evan R, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was a singles campaign that really felt that a movement

yes

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

was that the name of a dipset compilation?

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

it really bums me out btw that "Girls Like You" was kind of an afterthought 4th single that got lost in the shuffle of the Art Dealer Chic stuff coming out around the same time, that song is fucking awesome.

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

any of the 'art dealer' stuff getting a sniff at radio or any promotion whatsoever? just curious mostly, but it seems like something miguel has been doing on his own

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

afaict no, although MTV Jams does play the "Adorn" video

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wonder how he's going to present his sexuality, which is ambivalent at best.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

uh have you seen the "quickie" video?

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep and I've read a few of his press clippings

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

so he's not a girl-crazy horndog in his press clippings i take it?

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

The "Arch N Press" video was what got me thinking: his combination of tuffness and feyness, the art direction, the way he presented the ladies.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

isn't that every R&B star and half the rappers out these days though?

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

"arch n press" would be a good jingle for a nail salon

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah I get it specifically from him. Usher and Maxwell certainly don't. Ne-Yo -- lol maybe.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

i went and turned our lil spitball discussion into an article

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/05/miguel_singles_best_album_ne_yo.php

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

good one, although you prob didn't need the Maxwell caveat, it's not like anyone really knows or cares that "Cold" was a promotional single in between radio hits

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i was just being a pedant

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't think i would've ranked it any higher or lower tho had i included "fistful of tears" instead

frogbs in the trap (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't really dig "Sexy Love" or "Mad" so i think my favorite Ne-Yo run is "Stay"/"So Sick"/"When You're Mad" but of course two of those weren't very big hits.

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

v nice j0rdan though i disagree with a few. hadn't realised this discussion happened!

(i'm impressed that you can even untangle what the singles even were for the more recent ones)

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was mostly going off wikipedia tbh

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

definitely some interesting choices there...............

Peace (peaceful) (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

- i think "cold" is definitely worthy of inclusion in any three-single run from blacksummer'snight
- not down with the terius selection but you know i hate "falsetto" - would've chosen "rockin' that shit"/"my love"/"sweat it out" easily (and "my love" is the high point in that) (i'm assuming we can skip "walkin' on the moon" but i like that better than "falsetto" anyway)
- i'd have included estelle's "wait a minute"/"american boy"/"no substitute love" (or "come over") myself
- think "get up"/"promise"/"like a boy" is pretty unbeatable when it comes to ciara but it's remarkable that THREE of her albums have three-single runs that'd qualify

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm assuming you just classed beyoncé as pop, right?

wikipedia says "honey", "the healer" and "soldier" were singles, also "window seat", "turn me away" and "gone baby, don't be long"

(hang on i don't even believe that last one)

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha if JT is R&B then how on earth would Beyonce not be

did "Cold" do well in the UK or something? i never heard it on the radio once and the other 3 were inescapable.

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i almost put 4 on there but really i'm not the hugest beyonce fan -- i like "b'day" as an album but not overwhelmed by any of the singles

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

the thing about B is that every album has 8 singles out of which only 3 are good so the odds of them all being in a row are slim

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah it's sorta hard to suss out the badu stuff cuz her radio presence is so minimal, plus those albums seem like such whole pieces to me

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

did "Cold" do well in the UK or something?

haha NONE of these songs did well in the UK

i exaggerate slightly but british listeners have experienced almost none of these singles as singles, esp in latter years

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

although when i mentioned B'Day upthread (in terms of the whole singles campaign, not necessarily 3 in a row), i was thinking of "Ring The Alarm"/"Irreplaceable"/"Get Me Bodied," which you could do some backflips to call a consecutive trio if you throw out the soundtrack song, the deluxe edition-only Shakira collab, and the non-single airplay hit "Upgrade You"

xpost

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

or just include "upgrade u" cuz it's brilliant

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha wow maxwell hasn't charted in the uk since the kate bush cover

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

which apparently charted...last month? what? did someone perform it on tv or something?

he hasn't charted properly since his debut, 1997

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

erykah badu hasn't had a charting single here since '97 either

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmm yeah that is weird!

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Damn I was hoping one of you could explain the resurgence of "This Woman's Work." I heard it a ton this winter, and couldn't figure out why

Evan R, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

apparently the song is a favorite on various reality singer/dance competitions, but that still doesn't explain it. And it was used in the season 6 finale of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia," but that really doesn't explain it, either

Evan R, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh here we go smh

16-year-old Hope Murphy won over the Britain’s Got Talent 2012 judges tonight, with a take on Maxwell hit This Woman’s Work.

The Essex teenager explained to hosts Ant and Dec before her audition: “I’ve been singing since a toddler. I’ve come to Britain’s Got Talent today because it’s my dream to make it worldwide.”

But kicking off with a performance of Jessie J’s Mamma Knows Best, Simon Cowell was immediately left unimpressed.

He moaned: “I’ve heard that song so many times.

“I want to hear something different to whatever anyone else is singing.”

Under pressure, Hope instead performed Maxwell’s cover of Kate Bush classic This Woman’s Work, to a standing ovation.

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

only criminal omission there is b'day obv, but otherwise good job

pissed i missed this debate a few days ago haha

dharunravir (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw do you have an equivalent site to this for US chart runs? http://www.polyhex.com/music/chartruns/chartruns.php

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

not that i know of but i sure do hope so!

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

when i saw maxwell, he performed "this woman's work" on one knee backlit by a spotlight, which would have been amazing if not for the fact that the spotlight was pointed straight at my eyes.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

hahaha

Evan R, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

One of the highlights of the winter Trey Songz tour was when one of Songz's backup singers sang that track while Trey was offstage. The crowd went absolutely ape shit when the guy hit those notes

Evan R, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

One of the highlights of the winter Trey Songz tour was when Trey was offstage

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha, yeah, I know. Whole show was great, but I know I'm in the minority opinion here about Trey Songz

Evan R, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

speaking of trey, i like his new single

The Reverend, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

which one

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 May 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah "Heart Attack" is dope

some dude, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

I could probably make a kick-ass mix of unreleased Trey Songz tracks from the last several years... "When I See You," "Flatline," "For The Sake Of Our Love." Dude probably has nearly a dozen unreleased songs that hold their own against many of his singles

Evan R, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp that one

The Reverend, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cool article Jordan! Downloading a couple of these records that I haven't heard. Cheers!

Re: Miguel, can't say that Quickie is my favorite from those singles, but it's an interesting choice :)

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 08:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would most certainly listen to that mix evan

tundra, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 10:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

thank u for this, ilm/j sarge p4k review

call all destroyer, Monday, 14 May 2012 00:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

"All" might be my fav song off this right now but it was funny today to see an R&B mixtape with it as track 1 with '(HOT!!!)' next to the song title

Tailpipe Store (some dude), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

that low sustained moaning coursing through "All" is the best

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

"party life" and "candles in the sun" are just great

J0rdan S., Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i really love "Candles," works so much more than it has a right to

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I haven't gooten into any of the tracks on vol. 3 as much as I have "Adorn"/"Gravity"/"Arch N Point"/"All"

The Reverend, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

"party life" is cool but not really as amazing as the "arch & point"/"...all" pinnacle of this series

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

"candles..." gets away with what it does but only barely imo

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha otm

The Reverend, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmmm, i think "party life" just hit me in a big way

The Reverend, Monday, 21 May 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's kinda sad but i think we're gonna keep on dancing

The Reverend, Monday, 21 May 2012 11:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

::swoon::

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmmm, he can't really play guitar, can he? the subway station vid was cool tho

The Reverend, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

mike breen is such a republican

fapper don (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 02:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol that was the wrong thread -_-

fapper don (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 03:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah he's wayne-esque on that guitar, but maybe that was a while ago

fapper don (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

his voice is so good

fapper don (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 03:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

<3

twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 04:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

GODFUCKINGDAMMIT MIGUEL do u even know how often i'm there on that platform

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 08:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

His guitar is just fine on "Arch n Point."

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 11:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

is there any reason to assume that's him playing it? the track was produced by Fisticuffs

some dude, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 13:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I only think so because they're easy lines and his fingers match the chords.

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 13:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

alright, looks like he has stepped his guitar game up at least to the level of competence. and covered madvillain.

The Reverend, Friday, 1 June 2012 03:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

where are production credits

fapper don (J0rdan S.), Friday, 1 June 2012 03:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

most of the places where the mixtapes were released have a back cover graphic w/ production credits

some dude, Friday, 1 June 2012 03:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

er where the EPs were uploaded i guess

some dude, Friday, 1 June 2012 03:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

man i'm impressed as hell that he produced "...all" -- that's a pretty damn nuanced take on dance music imo

fapper don (J0rdan S.), Friday, 1 June 2012 03:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

1.Adorn 02:19
2.That I Do (FTRMX) 03:11
3.Gravity 03:38

credits
released 27 February 2012
All songs written and produced by Miguel
"Gravity" co produced by Fisticuffs
Artwork painted by Miguel

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 June 2012 12:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's playing PS.1 warmup lol

rock the swagon and g.o.a.t. it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 1 June 2012 12:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Play some Duchamp, Dilpo!!"
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Sunday, January 8, 2006 2:23 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rock the swagon and g.o.a.t. it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 1 June 2012 13:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

even fucking "Broads" kind of grew on me

Evan R, Saturday, 2 June 2012 04:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha it's the opposite for me, i only really care about 3-4 songs of this, albeit i REALLY care about those, but that's the same ratio as like the melanie fiona album, which this series isn't actually substantially more interesting than

kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Saturday, 2 June 2012 06:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

and the estelle album is way better

kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Saturday, 2 June 2012 06:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

and like there are more amazing new nikkiya tracks this year than miguel ones :(

kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Saturday, 2 June 2012 06:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

the estelle album is not better

fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 07:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

and neither was that old nikkiya album but i haven't heard the reissue

fapper don (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 07:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe they're not ~faded~ enough for you but they are definitely more enjoyable to me. just better songs, better production, singers you want to spend more time with...miguel is trying very hard to be an auteur rather than the semi-anonymous guy behind "sure thing" but in the process hasn't remotely come close to "sure thing"s impeccable standard

kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Saturday, 2 June 2012 07:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

and i really love "...all" but c'mon FELLOW OUTCASTS! AND WEIRDOS! stfu you try-hard

kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Saturday, 2 June 2012 07:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe they're not ~faded~ enough for you

oh fuck off

The Reverend, Saturday, 2 June 2012 08:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

also, i do want to spend time with miguel. in bed.

The Reverend, Saturday, 2 June 2012 08:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

trying to reduce miguel to some tumblr-wave thing is so NAGL.

and he's done at least 5 songs better than "sure thing"

The Reverend, Saturday, 2 June 2012 08:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm pretty sure if i was forced to spend time with estelle i'd want to cut my head off in short order.

The Reverend, Saturday, 2 June 2012 08:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

"sure thing" is great, but so are "adorn", "arch & point", "...all", c'mon. dunno why it always has to be this vs. that, devolve to bickering abt the cultural positioning. weirdo art outcast is no more contrived than any other pop persona.

spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Saturday, 2 June 2012 08:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

also, i do want to spend time with miguel. in bed.

― The Reverend, Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:27 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^

this is pertinent!

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 2 June 2012 14:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe they're not ~faded~ enough for you but they are definitely more enjoyable to me. just better songs, better production, singers you want to spend more time with...miguel is trying very hard to be an auteur rather than the semi-anonymous guy behind "sure thing" but in the process hasn't remotely come close to "sure thing"s impeccable standard

― kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Saturday, June 2, 2012 3:43 AM (8 hours ago)

yeah you do not get miguel at all

twittering spinster (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 June 2012 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Despite the miguel songs I love I think you might be right there

kanye kardashian (lex pretend), Saturday, 2 June 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Miguel ‏@MiguelUnlimited
URGENT: I need an artist in NY with experience or technical know-how in mask making. ASAP. @ Me Por favor.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

tweets very much in character

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is now an OFFICIAL SINGLE + a minute longer

will take some time to get used to the new version but his singing at the end is fantastic imo

http://soundcloud.com/miguelofficial/adorn

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 27 June 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Was just coming to post this. like. FUCK. so good.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can we also talk about how the synths riff that emerges just around/after the point where the Art Dealer Chic Vol. 1 version trailed off is very very Prince's "If I Was Ur Girlfriend"?

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

didn't think it was really missing anything before but it definitely feels more complete now, love the bridge xpost

some dude, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brevity was a big part of Adorn's mystique, but I'm not one to complain about more of a good thing.

One of the blogs I follow shared the track and teased "Bigger news to follow..." which I can only imagine means an album announcement.

Evan R, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

lovely.

this morning "Arch n Point" became my most played 2012 song.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

or *fingers crossed* the launch of a new 'bike messenger chic' social networking site

xpost

some dude, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

championing fellow fixed gears and beardos

Evan R, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

some dude, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brevity was a big part of Adorn's mystique, but I'm not one to complain about more of a good thing.

otm

The Reverend, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

or to complain about more of a sure thing

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

literally just clapped my hands to the side of my face and exclaimed "OH MY FUCKING LORD" when I got to the end of the new version

The Reverend, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

why isn't rev one of those people that does youtube reaction videos as he's listening to records for the first time

some dude, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha

The Reverend, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

my fav part is 0.00 to 3.16

hardhouse banter (tpp), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^^

The Reverend, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't really feel that this adds much to the song, and the false stop is kind of jarring, but it's fine

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

on the other hand if this is your first time hearing it there's no sense that the song faffs around.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah it still sounds weird to me... but i don't think that's really unexpected considering how attached i am to the original version

it still sounds great tho, and i feel less weird about naming it my favorite song of 2012 (so far) now that it's an actual single

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

I feel like the best song of the year just got ten times better.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

and yeah his voice is terrific. As much as I love the tension borne of restraint in A&P the abandon in "All" and the love-man vigor here are just as satisfying.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

that new 'pop' sound is kinda weird

Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

'pop' sound?

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

All the kids are into it

Evan R, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds like idk an eggcup being hit?

Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

high pitched water drop

Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

When you have the best fucking song of the year, you can get away with teasing people for four months before the climax.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

does anyone have a link to an interview in which he discusses writing and recording these EPs?

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i haven't seen one...

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 27 June 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

high pitched water drop

― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:46 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was on the original version too, at least mine

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

well it is and it isn't - something like it is there but not so high pitched and forward in the mix

Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh I dunno -- it was always prominent

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

112 'Cupid' is still the best song featuring the water drop.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe I just have an earlier mixed version of the 2:19 one? xp

Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

112 'Cupid' is still the best song featuring the water drop.

― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:11 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was thinking about starting a thread on this actually. "laundromat" all the way

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brainwasher, Rev and I did an outoud.fm theme night on this, it turned up some great jams.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha, I forgot about that. Earliest example I can think of is Prince's "Crazy You"

The Reverend, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyone have a download?

J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 June 2012 01:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www56.zippyshare.com/v/10600021/file.html

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 28 June 2012 01:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

^______________________^

The Reverend, Thursday, 28 June 2012 01:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I listened to the new versh on headphones and yeah the little 'pop' sound is not very noticeable, it really pops on my speakers tho

Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Thursday, 28 June 2012 01:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

this has been your 'pop' update

Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Thursday, 28 June 2012 01:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

definitely sticks out more in this mix, i feel like the bassline is more at the forefront, too.

The Reverend, Thursday, 28 June 2012 02:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

miguel is so good w/ backing vocals. i could listen to an entire album of his just layering oohs and ahhs w/o even writing actual "songs"

J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 June 2012 03:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

not sure how I'd restrain myself if I watched him record the "ahhhs" in "All"

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

fuck it, everybody's selfish

The Reverend, Thursday, 28 June 2012 22:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not sure the extra bit of Adorn really makes it a measurably better or worse song, but that's mostly cause it was already great.

Arch N Point also my most played 2012 track thus far.

to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Friday, 29 June 2012 00:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno if it feels obvious to anyone else but it seems really clear to me that "Adorn" was 3 minutes long to begin with and the first version released was truncated, rather than the ending being added after the fact. the awkward 'ooh ooh' on the original ending actual fits now.

goonrise zingdom (some dude), Friday, 29 June 2012 03:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually

goonrise zingdom (some dude), Friday, 29 June 2012 03:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I kinda doubt that. Seems like his label decided they wanted to push it and needed a more conventional structure/length.

The Reverend, Friday, 29 June 2012 03:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

hopefully someone will ask him in an interview at some point, i'm genuinely curious

goonrise zingdom (some dude), Friday, 29 June 2012 03:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

ditto

The Reverend, Friday, 29 June 2012 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not much to add. Art Dealer Chic EPs are the shit. But hey, let's make a pact not to mention Prince for a while, let this breathe.

Popture, Saturday, 30 June 2012 07:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

full version doesn't make me care about "adorn" any more than i did already, no matter how much i listen that song goes in one ear and out the other

bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Monday, 2 July 2012 09:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is my favorite song of the decade after "lemme smang it"

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 July 2012 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" is now the most-listened to song on my last.fm

The Reverend, Monday, 2 July 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

fwiw the top three most watchec videos of "adorn" on youtube total 5m+ views w/ zero promo

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 July 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I watch the A&P video at least twice a week lol

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 July 2012 22:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

is there an official video?

i haven't been able to watch youtubes for about a month on this dying laptop

bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, "adorn" & "arch & point" have official videos

the "arch & point" one is fantastic

J0rdan S., Monday, 2 July 2012 23:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

if i can ever stop dithering and buy a new laptop maybe i'll get to see them one day

bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

hopefully

now all my posts got ship in it (dayo), Monday, 2 July 2012 23:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Arch n Point video is almost as sexy as the song.

to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 01:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Miguel and Jhene Aiko show is one of Myspace's two free secret shows in July, brought to you by the makers of Trojan® Charged™ condoms.

some dude, Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

nyc kids, he's playing w/ jamie xx & pearson sound on aug 4

J0rdan S., Monday, 16 July 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp I bet Miguel and Jhene are pretty damn good for condom sales

chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Monday, 16 July 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just thought there was something kind of amazing and perfect about the triangulation of Miguel, MySpace and Trojan

some dude, Monday, 16 July 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha word

chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Monday, 16 July 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

MySpace is such a harsh connotation, though. I'll forever associate that site with a whole movement of mostly disbanded emo acts I was slightly too old to fully understand

Evan R, Monday, 16 July 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol at thread of miguel btw

The Reverend, Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Use Me sounds great.

n00bs on my damn chain (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

"use me" is amazing

"don't look back" i'm not so sure about

J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

"use me" is as good as anything he's put out this year imo

J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

both songs are really dense... "use me" really gives off this vibe that he's, like, in the middle of a thunderstorm or something. but in a way that really works.

chorus is killer

J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 July 2012 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

serious jaw drop at "use me"

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Friday, 27 July 2012 01:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

like 2:50 onwards is DDDDDDDDDDD:

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Friday, 27 July 2012 01:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

where is the CDQ mixtape downloadable from the website???

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Friday, 27 July 2012 01:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

dunno about anyone else but I love when Miguel belts

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 01:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I need to stop listening to this off the website, I'm gonna burn out

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Friday, 27 July 2012 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

man, dude packs so much music into just two new song; this is so much to digest. Love how substantial both of these tracks are

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 01:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

minor miracle I was somehow able to get the Spin site to stream these for me. Never has any luck accessing anything on that site before, so glad it came through for me when it counted

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 01:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is slowly rising on the r&b chart too

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 01:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

"use me" is stunning

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 01:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

"don't look back" sounds a bit too much like a ryan tedder collaboration or something but i don't dislike it

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 01:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

so i guess the album has 11 songs, if my math is right? good number imo

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've learned never to underestimate the dude's capacity for writing songs that grow on me. Even fucking "Broads" eventually wormed its way past my "i should hate this" shield

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

you're a brave man, Evan

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

his singing on "don't look back" is good tho

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 02:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

how prince is the title "kaleidoscope dream" btw? love it

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 02:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stay tuned: On Wednesday morning, August 1, SPIN will also be exclusively premiering a stream of Miguel's performance from an upcoming secret live show.

really excited about this, there's not tons of video of him playing live out there. especially the new stuff, if at all.

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wonder if Miguel is paying incredibly in-depth homage to Smashing Pumpkins by naming his multi-part digital album Kaleidoscope Dream.

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol i was listening to "use me" w/ the door partly closed while my boyfriend was in the kitchen and when i got up and went in there he said he thought it sounded like a smashing pumpkins song

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 05:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wonder if Miguel is paying incredibly in-depth homage to Smashing Pumpkins by naming his multi-part digital album Kaleidoscope Dream.

― Evan R, Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:45 PM (Yesterday)

that was my first thought too haha

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Friday, 27 July 2012 05:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

"don't look back" >>>>>>>>>>>>

lex pretend, Friday, 27 July 2012 10:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

miguel's doubletracked vocals when the bass drops out on "use me" >>>>>>>>>>>

lex pretend, Friday, 27 July 2012 10:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

these new tracks are fucking stadium shit

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

we're gonna find out miguel's been bumping muse for the last six months or something

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok "Don't Look Back" just blew my mind

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah didn't grab as much at first, but it's good.

n00bs on my damn chain (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

This guy has a gift for smuggling melancholy into unexpected places. "Use Me" is probably the saddest kinky sex song I've heard this year.

("Birthday Cake" doesn't count, because it is sad for other reasons.)

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

when he double-tracks the guitars on "use me" >>>

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Use Me" is probably the saddest kinky sex song I've heard this year.

he does sing the line "my pride is waving a white flag"

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hate myself for even bringing this up but anyone who dug the weekend's last two mixtapes should feel fucking embarrassed hearing "use me"

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

as well as in a more general sense

lex pretend, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

well yes that too, lol

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

right on cue Lex!

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Use Me" has a pathos that the Weeknd's songs don't, though. Abel is the predatory; Miguel is (at least for this song) the victim

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

word

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Plus, Miguel knows how to use sound and space to complement his voice.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

His productions consistently point outward, away from the self, as opposed to The Weeknd's insularity.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

yup

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 16:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

"use me" really conveys the parallel nervousness and excitement of new sexual encounters/experiences imo. like you have this towering, expansive song & in the middle of it a guy singing "use me when you're taking control / with the lights off / i can just let go" and "it's the very first time / and i'm nervous / can i trust you, huh?"

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 16:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

tho he also sings from the other perspective as well & i guess it's up to debate which (if either) is him

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's songs that "Use Me" which have me give his songs queer readings.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

*like "Use Me"

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah totally

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was really engrossed by the sheer, uncompromising horror of those last Weeknd mixtapes (plus I think they sound great), but Tesfaye was never very interested in exploring his the roots of his monstrosity; he was just a ghoul. I love how Miguel, on the other hand, uses these small details to suggest the motivations behind sexual desires. He can use his voice to hint at the heartbreak the drives one-night stands, for instance, but its rare to hear a song that equates kinky sex to damaged goods as devastatingly (and as sweetly) as "Use Me."

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

that drive, excuse me. Gah, I gotta proof my posts better. Whenever I am on allergy meds I am typo city.

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

and he can makes kinks delicious (e.g. "Arch N Point").

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya good point

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I'm having trouble with subject-verb agreement too)

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was going to mention "Arch N Point" re: Miguel sad-kink

The Reverend, Friday, 27 July 2012 18:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow @ the "time of the season" interpolation at the end of "don't look back"

and jordan otm about the ryan tedder vibes but miguel wields them incredibly

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 27 July 2012 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

from 4/12/12

https://twitter.com/MiguelUnlimited/statuses/190618069792604162

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's songs that "Use Me" which have me give his songs queer readings.

I don't usually speculate about artists' sexuality, nor do I really care about it—I have that sort of apathetic and maybe naive quality a lot of straight guys have where we just assume everybody is straight unless they say otherwise—but I kind of wonder if Miguel is just waiting for somebody to bluntly ask him about his sexuality so he can just give them an answer.

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 21:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

part of the questions about him stem from his look & image which is probably unfair but he definitely writes from a different perspective than a lot of singers

on the other hand a lot of his songs code as totally straight to me

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, "Use Me" is such a passive depiction of sexuality, and he positions himself (for lack of a better term) as the receiving partner, which isn't a position that a lot of R&B singers take. Combined with his soft imagine, it just seems to me like if he's gay he's not even really trying to hide his sexuality.

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

But again, I'm the wrong guy to speculate. Songwriters can write from a wide range of perspectives, so I never would have suspected anything about Frank Ocean from his music along. (Actually, I never suspected anything about Frank Ocean even after seeing this on his Tumblr: http://frankocean.tumblr.com/post/24525846895)

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

which, like. doesn't necessarily convince me one way or the other. i don't want to be hem in the permissible modes of existence for str8 r&b dudes - more power to them for funky clothes and receptive narratives etc. like, Prince is the greatest and I could give a shit if he was ever actually queer or just played with the codes and imagery.

but still, i wouldn't be entirely shocked or entirely disappointed. he's also stunningly pretty, so... [Rev, back me up on this, please]

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 27 July 2012 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

although now that I read that article, " “For anyone who questions my sexuality, the honest truth is I love women. I’ve always openly loved women." isn't realllllly a statement of "i am not queer" so much as "i love women openly" and do not comment on the rest of it.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 27 July 2012 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Singer Miguel Denies That He's Gay
He thinks people should expand their horizons

^this is pretty amazing

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

although now that I read that article, " “For anyone who questions my sexuality, the honest truth is I love women. I’ve always openly loved women." isn't realllllly a statement of "i am not queer" so much as "i love women openly" and do not comment on the rest of it.

― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, July 27, 2012 5:33 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah i had this thought as well

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's a fun denial, and I'll take his word for it. But Miguel's whole career trajectory has involved catching up to the margins, working from the inside out. He started as an industry favorite in the safe Usher mold; then became a commercial act working on the periphery of a major label making slightly eccentric music, before embracing independent distribution models and nodding to outsidery trends with his free EPs. He's obviously very interested in breaking from commercial expectations, but he works with safety net; he's cautious about the conventions he upends. Now that the climate is suddenly a lot more inviting for urban artists who might want to come out, I wonder if he'll seize the opportunity.

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 21:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

When was he ever in the usher mold? His early staff seems more left coast hippie shit with Blu and Emanon etc.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 27 July 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

He's always been a little bit of a weirdo, no? I mean even 'Sure Thing' is weird insofar as it's totally spare except for the screwed vocal hook.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 27 July 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think it took so long to grow on me because I wanted to hear it as a pop song in context and it felt too anemic.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 27 July 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

On March 5 in this thread I posted the video for his 2005 single. Check it out if you haven't; it kinda speaks volumes about where he's coming from.

He was definitely a lovable weirdo on his debut, but I think Jive had so little invested in him that he was given the freedom to do pretty much whatever he wanted with that record, a luxury that he definitely made the most of.

Evan R, Friday, 27 July 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha holy shit @ that 05 video

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

He still pals around with west coast hippies! Jhene, Thundercat, FlyLo, J Davey, etc...

The Reverend, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

If Prince is queer, it's because of his gender presentation, nothing to do with his orientation.

The Reverend, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

if?

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 July 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

If he chooses to identify as that.

The Reverend, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

apropos of nothing, this is dope

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 04:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i get why people are using the word "sad" to describe miguel but i dunno if it's the most accurate - it has connotations of inward-facing timidity and moping to me, but the best of miguel's work this year is just so...full-blooded and cathartic and really physical, it's as much about frustration and anger as melancholy, and there's a lot at stake in his songs. i'm suspicious of fetishisation-of-melancholy in general and i think this is a different thing.

lex pretend, Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

heard "Adorn" on Baltimore radio for the first time and, interestingly, they played the 2-minute version. the DJ sounded really excited about it before and after the song, so maybe she was a fan and pulled it straight off the EP instead of using the label promo.

Nutri Grane (some dude), Sunday, 29 July 2012 11:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

that is interesting

r|t|c, Sunday, 29 July 2012 11:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

yearning is prob the word that comes to mind with migs

urgency tinged with tangible need, every song sung sincerely on his knees

r|t|c, Sunday, 29 July 2012 11:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was somewhat more lyrical miracle than i intended

r|t|c, Sunday, 29 July 2012 11:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

can i get a refill

Nutri Grane (some dude), Sunday, 29 July 2012 11:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

D:

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 29 July 2012 11:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

lex's post makes some good points

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

is he very petite or is elle a way bigger gulp than she normally looks

r|t|c, Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

miguel is petite as hell

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

def true that for me Miguel's attraction as a singer is how anger and a libidinos streak intertwine.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

*libidinous

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess i read that anger as a resiliency i.e. "...all"

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, or a certitude

wouldnt take him seriously if i thought he was ever angry

r|t|c, Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

he seems very controlled and confident to me, just as a person/performer, in a way that informs how he expresses any emotion in hi smusic

Nutri Grane (some dude), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

not at a Prince level of icy remove but definitely closer than any of his contemporaries that i can think of

Nutri Grane (some dude), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Agreed. I didn't at all mean his anger was inchoate or anything; it's closer to seething.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

sure but even that seems overstated

r|t|c, Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

these new tracks are definitely mastered way grungier right

paranoid about my hearing/stereo lately so i'm not even sure

r|t|c, Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i get why people are using the word "sad" to describe miguel but i dunno if it's the most accurate - it has connotations of inward-facing timidity and moping to me, but the best of miguel's work this year is just so...full-blooded and cathartic and really physical, it's as much about frustration and anger as melancholy, and there's a lot at stake in his songs. i'm suspicious of fetishisation-of-melancholy in general and i think this is a different thing.

Great post, Lex. I totally hear the frustration.

Evan R, Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

damnit I thought we had lex so close to fetishizing melancholy

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Late to the party but "Use Me" and "Don't Look Back" are just so... damn miguel how have you made so many of my favourite songs this year already.

Tim F, Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp This is probably the part of Lex's "indie is ruining everything" conspiracy theory that I agree with the most. Melancholy is too often mistaken for substance, and I would hate to see it become a rampant empty signifier in R&B the way it did in indie rock. (That being said, I do obviously love it when it's done right)

Evan R, Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

these new tracks are definitely mastered way grungier right

there's certainly a density to them but i thought everything sounded pretty clear.

the guitars are kinda 90s rock tho.

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

the guitars are kinda 90s rock tho.

what with wynter gordon too, we just need one more for a TRENDPIECE

lex pretend, Sunday, 29 July 2012 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

yearning urgency is exactly right btw re: miguel

melancholy implies a sort of resignation - you've given up - that's not present in miguel's work

lex pretend, Sunday, 29 July 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah "resignation" is where melancholy starts to become indie. Perhaps a sense of (self)alienation too.

Neither of which Miguel does really.

Tim F, Sunday, 29 July 2012 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

he just wants a quickie iirc

Nutri Grane (some dude), Sunday, 29 July 2012 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Actually arguably "Broads" is resigned.

Tim F, Sunday, 29 July 2012 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I cannot get over the depth of this stuff.

I want to see the waveforms when we finally get high quality versions, because (just based on my ears) this feels like a perfect opportunity to contrast tracks with lots of layers that have been recorded and mixed properly vs. stuff like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy which is just overstuffed and overcompressed etc.

Like, 'Use Me' is the kind of song that could be a total mess sonically if it wasn't so impeccably put together. That round at the end! over top of the guitar strum!

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

He still pals around with west coast hippies! Jhene, Thundercat, FlyLo, J Davey, etc...

This list is like my ultimate wkiw (esp if it includes Miguel)

Anyways way late to this party but glad I made it

seapluspluspunk (loves laboured breathing), Monday, 30 July 2012 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

It occurs to me that part of what makes "Adorn" so special is where in most r&b songs you have a static chorus with ad libs over the top, here the chorus is single-tracked and there's this tension where he has to find this balance between embellishing and carrying the melody. Does he toe the line? No, HE GOES ALL THE WAY FUCKING IN.

The Reverend, Monday, 30 July 2012 05:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I might be wrong but I don't feel like there's much of a distinction really between the verses & chorus, and that the choice between 'toeing the line' and 'going all the way fucking in' as you put it, is kind of the main demarcation between the two. That and the short running time of the orig version (I haven't listened to the single edit yet) maybe gives it a sort of sinuous slipperiness where you can feel like lots of stuff is happening but you can't quite get a handle on it--or at least I can't. Which is one of the things that compels me to listen to it again and again.

seapluspluspunk (loves laboured breathing), Monday, 30 July 2012 05:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

you need to listen to the single version

now there's a lot of bad bitches in the building (am0n) (some dude), Monday, 30 July 2012 10:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

...to know what Rev is really talking about. Ok yeah, listened and got it.

seapluspluspunk (loves laboured breathing), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that element existed in the ADC version, but it wasn't til the single version that it was made really clear.

The Reverend, Monday, 30 July 2012 19:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just realized that miguel wrote this which totally makes sense in light of the adc shit:

i'm a housewife, an artist, and a snow leopard (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 01:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

WAIT REALLY? HOW DID I NOT KNOW THAT??

man i love that song. also shame he didn't do more work w/ jam & lewis.

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 04:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

is he playing ny tomorrow? little google bird told me he might be

I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 04:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

that SPIN post said they're gonna have a video of a performance from a "secret live show" on wednesday morning, so yeah he's prob playing somewhere tomorrow night

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 04:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's also playing PS1 w/ jamie xx & pearson sound on 8/4

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 04:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

WATER PREVIEW also available on itunes now

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 04:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's also playing PS1 w/ jamie xx & pearson sound on 8/4

holy shit

The Reverend, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

right?

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 04:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's not on the Australian iTunes. I'm distraught.

Popture, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 13:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://youtu.be/8dM5QYdTo08

Video is out though.

Popture, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 13:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

weird

buzzafeed (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

yahhh

The Reverend, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 15:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cool

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Shot in Los Angeles and directed by Jason Beattie(Steve Aoki, Mike Posner, Good Charlotte), features Miguel in a moody underworld searching for a mythical, unattainable woman.

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol, whatever. i preferred just staring at his face, obviously.

but he looks ~fine~ here also, so it's all good.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

he sure wears makeup well

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

his getup is a bit too Bruno Mars

REV LION (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rev, didn't you once have a similar haircut?

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's so pretty

i'm a housewife, an artist, and a snow leopard (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp yeah, but I never paired it with a retro teddy boy suit

REV LION (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

so nice hearing this on the radio

Jacques_Lamure, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think i'm talking to him tomorrow fyi if u want to get any questions in

lex pretend, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Friday August 3rd Line-up
The-Dream
Miguel
at the Ohio State Fair

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

WAIT WHAT

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think i'm talking to him tomorrow fyi if u want to get any questions in

― lex pretend, Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:38 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Tell him your friend Rodney has a thing for him and would like his number.

REV LION (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Friday August 3rd Line-up
The-Dream
Miguel
at the Ohio State Fair

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:38 PM (16 minutes ago)

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rev, if we cannot work out a way to timeshare Miguel's phone number/affections, our friendship may be hitting a speed bump.

Can I take every other weekend?

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, excuse me while I google how long a drive it is from Montreal to Ohio.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

It is only 12 hours! Um. Hm. Probably not.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

threesomes

REV LION (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha. deal.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, also, calling this "Kaleidoscope Dream: The Water Preview" looks ridiculous. Is it less silly to call it "Kaleidoscope Dream: Water" or "Kaleidoscope Dream: The Water" or what?

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd rather call this an orgy.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

guys, srsly, let's keep it in teh gayz thread, shall we? i know it's summer and everything but restraint!

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

been up so long it looks like going down

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

ewww, who invited Alfred?

REV LION (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

ima stand up for 'don't look back', dude is thom yorkeing his ass off

r|t|c, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

"don't look back" is cool... i'm just hoping that it's the seventh best song on the LP and not the fourth

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am not holding too much stock by the album itself really

i mean it'll doubtless have good stuff on there but won't i think quite add up to what you want it to, really capture what the eps sketch out and imply

r|t|c, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

adorn is the only thing off the art dealer chics to make it on the album, is that right?

r|t|c, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

when it comes to Miguel I've been telling myself not to turn into one of those loathsome The Dark Knight Returns fans on Facebook. The EP's weren't perfect but so far they comprise my favorite music released this year. I won't raise expectations about the full album.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 21:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

adorn is the only thing off the art dealer chics to make it on the album, is that right?

― r|t|c, Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:15 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm not sure if anyone knows. maybe he'll throw "arch n point" on there, we'll see.

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can see Arch n Point on there. Maybe ...ALL. Don't imagine anything off Vol. 3 would show up. Maybe a version of Broads with a guest verse? I mean, I hope not but it's possible.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i doubt it. i'd say "arch n point" only because it also got a video but my guess is that they'll throw some of the tracks together for the deluxe LP or w/e

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

miguel's gaze is v pretty

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 02:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

although I do get kind of a vibe from him tho

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 02:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

someone watch this with me

REV LION (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 03:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

new neighbors blasting the same justin timeberlake song over and over so I am blasting adorn over and over

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 03:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

what in the complete fuck this song has like a whole extra minute now, maybe I should read the thread

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 03:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

show running late? hasn't started yet on the stream...

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 03:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's good, gave me time to make a sammich first.

REV LION (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 03:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

excited 4 this

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

seeing miguel live thursday

protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

opening for cee lo :-/

protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

here???????????????

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

duhhhhhh

protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

fuck

i will see you there

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

apparently "Candles In The Sun" will be on the album

REV LION (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

did he say that?

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was on the phone

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

the greedy side of me wants to hear 11 or 12 new tracks but he'd be a fool not to put some of that stuff on the album

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

He also said it's the first song he recorded with his band. Dunno if that implies it's in a diff arrangement, more similar to what he played tonight.

REV LION (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol at him rapping pac

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

awesome idea tho

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, uhhh that was not what was up

REV LION (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah, rats

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 04:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was so good

maura, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hate you all.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's streaming
http://new.livestream.com/miguel/LivefromNYC

maura, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

did you guys wanna parse this:

Prior to his performance at Joe’s Pub in NYC this past Tuesday night, Miguel sat with MTV for a brief interview regarding his newly released EP, forthcoming album Kaleidoscope Dream, the unique release plan they are rolling out and he even exclusively revealed the next single coming from the second EP.

Speaking about the upcoming “Kaleidoscope Dreams: Air Preview” EP, he described it as “really light and fun,” and exclusively revealed to MTV that the title of the next single from ‘Air Preview’ is called “Drugs,” and it is sure to get the fans talking.

“Let’s just say the single for the Air Preview should strike up quite a bit of conversation. I think it’s going to be a lot of fun,” Miguel said. “It’s a very personal and, I guess, kind of carefree song.”

Miguel admits that the tracks on Water Preview may be all about romance and relationships, but since his 2010 debut, All I Want Is You, Miguel has done a lot of growing up and says Kaleidoscope Dream is a “clear projection of my life.”

“The first album, All I Want Is You, revolved so much around my romantic experience. I’ve had three major relationships; each one of my girlfriends kind of taught me something new,” Miguel said. “This time around, I wanted to discuss more of my perspective of life — not necessarily with the opposite sex, and I do that on the album as well, but the majority of the album, I would say, is about my life.”

, Blogger (schlump), Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

he also started doing drugs?

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't think him saying the album is not all necessarily about life with the opposite sex = a frank ocean moment.

Tim F, Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

i still don't get where all the gay talk has even come from w/r/t miguel

lex pretend, Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's because of how he looks

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's a lot of uber hetero caricatures out there that have warped things.

bnw, Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

he doesn't even "look" "gay"

lex pretend, Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

lolwut

REV LION (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

no, i "guess" "not"

r|t|c, Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

to put that photo in context, that's from when miguel was an extra in "minority report"

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

no -- that's when Miguel was RuPaul.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dont think hes gay & that tacky clothing actually has a kind of clueless hetero swagger to it imo

protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's more lenny kravitz than anything

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

deej otm

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

thought california love extra

bnw, Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whatever that's a bad look for him, visible gutters notwithstanding.

Tim F, Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked his Naomi Campbell shirt the other night. (honestly)

REV LION (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

he looks like an aphid

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2012 21:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

to put that photo in context, that's from when miguel was an extra in "minority report"

― tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, August 2, 2012 5:04 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

dying

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Friday, 3 August 2012 03:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

(btw when i talked to him he told me that he prefers the ADC version of "adorn")

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's because it's better.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

did he explain whether the third minute was added after the fact?

prefer the longer version now, either way

some dude, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

like the extra min but not the silly prince opening in the vid. the more abrupt start helped the ~mystique~.

bnw, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

the longer version was the original but he prefers the shorter version

lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

i win my bet with rev then!

some dude, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

fine, dammit. and yeah, the long version is even better. that bridge feels so....solid, like you could reach out and hold it and he goes so far in on the last chorus

REV LION (The Reverend), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

love the modulation

some dude, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 22:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes!

REV LION (The Reverend), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

"adorn" broke into the hot 100 this week, should be in the r&b/hip-hop top 10 by next week

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 August 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

heard an ad for the new miguel on the radio today

kanye shiwen (dayo), Friday, 10 August 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

album tracklist

http://t.co/13ljZkRQ

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

LOL at PIM.

Tim F, Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, seriously

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think the next preview is tracks 4-6

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

damn so I've already heard 6/11 tracks... and LOL @ "Pussy Is Mine" being on the album... still super excited tho.

i'm a housewife, an artist, and a snow leopard (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

glad "arch n point" made the cut! wish "gravity" would've replaced "candles"

i'm a housewife, an artist, and a snow leopard (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

actually "gravity" could of just replaced "pussy is mine"... I mean unless he totally reworked it from this, it's a bit of a throwaway

i'm a housewife, an artist, and a snow leopard (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

when's it out again?

ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 01:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

never heard "pussy is mine" before. there's definitely the workings of a dope song there, but sounds kinda demo-ish

ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 01:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

the version of "candles" that's on the album is the slower version that he's been playing live

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm glad it's not just the EP version w/ the Lennon sample cut out, that weirdly makes that version of the song work for me

some dude, Thursday, 16 August 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

p much loathe 'candles' and deplore the long, grody post-ocean shadow it casts over this album and the adorn/use me/arch in point axis

more glam, less dress-up hippy cruft

r|t|c, Thursday, 16 August 2012 06:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

truthfully does anyone even actually wanna hear miggy attempt a song titled 'kaleidoscope dream' (let alone name the effing album after it) cos i'm just saying nuh uh

r|t|c, Thursday, 16 August 2012 07:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

kinda feel that reusing ADC songs misses the point of ADC but oh well

"where's the fun in forever" might be more lol than "pussy is mine"

lex pretend, Thursday, 16 August 2012 07:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

kinda feel that reusing ADC songs misses the point of ADC but oh well

agree with this even tho the new version of "Adorn" is basically my favorite thing ever

The Reverend, Thursday, 16 August 2012 07:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i can see why they'd put arch n point on there tho

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 07:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

"arch & point" is the best ADC song yeah but if you want to reuse ADC tracks have the decency to put them as bonus tracks or something - if the next preview EP is tracks 4-6 that'll leave us with uhhh two new songs when the album drops

lex pretend, Thursday, 16 August 2012 07:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'd have less of a problem with reusing the tracks if it seemed as if the album was gonna be like the finished expanded apotheosis of the adc ep sketches, but it doesnt and so feels more like a cheaper cherrypick

r|t|c, Thursday, 16 August 2012 07:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

the title track btw is definitely arty but it sounded pretty cool -- prod by salaam

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 07:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

I do have to give Salaam his dues for being reliable as fuck.

The Reverend, Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

the album has a lot of guitars tho, so arch n point will fit well sonically... It's not a straight cherry pick

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think it's been fairly obvious that Migs loves his guitars.

The Reverend, Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

salaam is one of the best producers of all time but phones it in these days pretty much, "reliable" is his bare minimum

r|t|c, Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

like if you got him on pcp and told him to make a track out of some pots and pans it'd come out sounding reliable

r|t|c, Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

the album has a lot of guitars tho, so arch n point will fit well sonically... It's not a straight cherry pick

― tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 09:12 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"guitars so fits" is so inane idk what to even say

r|t|c, Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

damn dude

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

what

r|t|c, Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've heard basically the entire album... It's "cherry picking" in the sense that, yes, he's taking one of the singles from ADC but it totally fits with the direction of the album. It's no biggie. He's putting a good song on his album.

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm also okay with how he's releasing the album... I think the argument could be made that he's finding an agreeable middle ground between an album leaking outside of the artist's control and the level of buzz you need to have to find the elusive "everyone hearing it at once" feeling (like frank ocean or watch the throne)

tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 16 August 2012 08:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

you only seem to be seeing one direction here though, is where we disagree

r|t|c, Thursday, 16 August 2012 09:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like the way he's staggering releases but i dunno how well it's working if people itt are already finding ways to be unhappy about him releasing 17 mostly dope songs in one year

some dude, Thursday, 16 August 2012 11:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Adorn might well be my song of the year.

(professor) (longneck), Thursday, 16 August 2012 11:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

The ADC Candles In the Sun almost sounds a bit channel orangey, no?

(professor) (longneck), Thursday, 16 August 2012 12:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

well it came out before that album -- it actually weirded me out to hear the phrase "candles in the sun" in the last track of the frank ocean but i guess it's a more common phrase than i realized

some dude, Thursday, 16 August 2012 13:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

you only seem to be seeing one direction here though, is where we disagree

what makes Miguel beautiful?

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 August 2012 13:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

I know it came out before channel orange, that's why I wrote "almost". But strip it down a bit and they're definitely talking the same musical language.

(professor) (longneck), Thursday, 16 August 2012 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

london show, london:
http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/user/?region=gb_london&query=detail&event=527723
kinda $$ but

very sexual album (schlump), Saturday, 18 August 2012 13:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

damn not at home for that :'(

hardhouse banter (tpp), Saturday, 18 August 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

where are his tour dates?

ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Saturday, 18 August 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

found this after searching "ledisi" and re-reading part of the 2011 r&b thread - don't think i'd ever heard it before!

http://www.youtube.com/v/JGZaRV7mv8A&fs=1&hl=en

ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Sunday, 19 August 2012 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

also found this otm statement

and "sure thing" is cool but "Teach Me" is the best song on that Miguel album imo

― The Brainwasher, Friday, April 29, 2011 2:22 AM (1 year ago)

ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Sunday, 19 August 2012 01:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

literally lolling

some dude, Monday, 27 August 2012 16:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah so bad.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 27 August 2012 16:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

trying to remember the last time a contemporary R&B album with this high a profile came out w/ no obligatory guest rappers

some dude, Monday, 27 August 2012 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Miguel Monae!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

lmao

flopson, Monday, 27 August 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Forgive me for asking probably easy-to-find info, but is there a release date yet?

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

complex said that the song he wrote for alicia keys in jamaica (and that her backing vocals are on) is "candles in the sun" but i don't think that's right -- for one, when i talked to him he told me that it was "where's the fun in forever" & also having heard at least one version of "candles," i don't think her vocals are on that

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

jer: he's releasing a three-song preview on 9/11, full thing is out 10/2

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

happy to find out miguel also has thunder thighs

jack chick-fil-A (dayo), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Excellent. I mean, these staggered EP releases have been nice, but a full album makes things a lot easier for year-end ranking purposes.

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

IF the album is worth ranking above Art Dealer Chic. we'll see.

some dude, Monday, 27 August 2012 16:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well, yeah. But isn't a good chunk of ADC gonna be on this?

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

three songs -- i think it's gonna be as good or better. ADC does have some throwaways.

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 August 2012 17:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Fuckin broads.

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Monday, 27 August 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

seriously, if he keeps making album covers like this, i will have to keep making Avatar: The Last Airbender jokes.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 27 August 2012 17:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, I don't really know how Internet memes work, but I am picturing Flying Miguel photobombing all sorts of news and sports images, dunking on Kobe or Billy Corgan or whatever

Evan R, Monday, 27 August 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 August 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

“It’s definitely a progressive album,” the 25-year-old told Mina SayWhat. “I would describe it as being progressive in the sense that I’m taking a lot of my more alternative influences and incorporating them.”

Kaleidoscope Dream Tracklisting

1. “Adorn”
2. “Don’t Look Back”
3. “Use Me”
4. “Do You…”
5. “Kaleidoscope Dream”
6. “The Thrill”
7. “How Many Drinks?”
8. “Where’s the Fun in Forever?”
9. “Arch & Point”
10. “Pussy Is Mine”
11. “Candle in the Sun”

http://www.rap-up.com/2012/08/15/tracklisting-miguel-kaleidoscope-dream/

curmudgeon, Monday, 27 August 2012 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

"adorn" is looking like it has a chance to be his biggest hit

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Monday, 27 August 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

heard it on the radio this morning, vibed out

jack chick-fil-A (dayo), Monday, 27 August 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh, Pussy is Mine is on this? Cool. He played that live at the Joe's Pub show and it felt like older material from somewhere but I didn't entirely recognize it.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 27 August 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh, Pussy is Mine? Cool.

some dude, Monday, 27 August 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

6. “The Thrill”
7. “How Many Drinks?”
8. “Where’s the Fun in Forever?”

also known as The Ballin' Trilogy

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2012 19:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

trying to remember the last time a contemporary R&B album with this high a profile came out w/ no obligatory guest rappers

― some dude, Monday, August 27, 2012 12:38 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Profiles weren't as high, but Love Me Back and Late Nights & Early Mornings come to mind.

Andy K, Monday, 27 August 2012 19:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

which was late nights? marsha ambrosius?

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 27 August 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

that didn't register for me at ALL. Love me back is still in constant rotation.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 27 August 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

thanks for prompting me to play the Ambrosious album again, Andy!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2012 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah good call with the Jazmine and Marsha albums, dug both. i'm just happy that this time Mig got to dodge the J. Cole bullet that Melanie and Elle caught this year.

some dude, Monday, 27 August 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Alex, check out the Ambrosius again. Although it faffs around a bit in the middle section and is at times too masochistic for my taste, this is plush, sumptuous R&B of a high order -- probably my favorite one of last year

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Adorn" is great, but I've always thought it needed a B.o.B. verse

Evan R, Monday, 27 August 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

and a Calvin Harris remix featuring Nicki Minaj.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

"adorn" is looking like it has a chance to be his biggest hit

― young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Monday, August 27, 2012 2:23 PM (6 hours ago)

is it charting? it doesn't even have a wiki entry

There's gotta be an opposition party or something in Russia, right? (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 00:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Adorn" is great, but I've always thought it needed a B.o.B. verse

well here's a sentence i never thought i'd read

lex pretend, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

#7 R&B, #68 on the Hot 100 (xpost)

some dude, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

There's also the R. Kelly albums.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

well yeah but those aren't contemporary R&B

some dude, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

mariah - memoirs?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

though that is quite a while ago now

lex pretend, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

jeremih's first album

There's gotta be an opposition party or something in Russia, right? (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

memoirs had gucci on the single version of "obsessed" right?

There's gotta be an opposition party or something in Russia, right? (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

or was that a separate remix

There's gotta be an opposition party or something in Russia, right? (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

separate remix & not on the album

lex pretend, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

wait, ship: how are Kels' albums not contemporary R&B? Is it their retro stylings that inoculate them?

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

he iz old

There's gotta be an opposition party or something in Russia, right? (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol at lex taking Evan's post at face value

The Reverend, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

he iz old

Oh! *fumbles with trembling hands with Lipitor tablets and something called a "keyboard"*

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

i was basically borrowing the parlance of the Grammys, who for most of the last decade had a 'contemporary R&B album' award to distinguish the overly modern hip hop-influenced stuff from the more traditional stuff that usually wins the best R&B album award (but the 2 categories were merged back into one this year). Chocolate Factory was nominated in the contemporary category; his last two would have been in the other category, if they were nominated.

some dude, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

like you wouldn't listen to Write Me Back and expect to possibly hear a guest rapper on it (unlike Miguel's stuff), so it's not relevant to the point i was making.

some dude, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 01:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

new trey songz album only has like 6 guest rappers

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 02:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

some dude, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

SPOILER ALERT

the new preview is very good

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 September 2012 04:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

"do you..." especially is absolutely sublime

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 September 2012 04:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

:D

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 September 2012 04:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

"do you..." is like "quickie" pt 2... the glowing, coital track that just basks in its own sound. it's even a bit more ethereal tho.

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 September 2012 04:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just heard Adorn in a sports store while walking through the mall. Miguel has arrived!

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Man is this release scheme convoluted. Like, I'm a pretty big fan of this guy, and I really can't keep track of which songs are out, which ones are coming soon, which ones are being bundled where, where to download them, when to download them, etc, etc. I am totally lost, and his site isn't really clarifying a lot of these questions.

The ADC EPs were clever, but he should stop fucking around and just put out an album already.

Evan R, Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

three more songs out 9/11, full thing out 10/2

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

i hope "do you..." is actually the next single. maybe the best thing he's ever done.

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

cool to see that Pop & Oak produced "Use Me," really starting to stan for them after the Elle Varner album. "Don't Look Back" is prob my least favorite song he's put out this year, though.

IN REAL LIFE (some dude), Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've never heard so many radio DJs say things like "I love that song! don't you love that song?" before or after playing something as with "Adorn" -- was really awesome to change stations right after it and hear it starting on another station the other day.

IN REAL LIFE (some dude), Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is that EV album good front to back?

Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

imo yeah

IN REAL LIFE (some dude), Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Cool, was interested but hadn't heard much, will check it.

Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 6 September 2012 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

heard "Adorn" on Tuesday! It helped that the R&B station played Maze's "Back in Stride" right after.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 September 2012 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think he's gonna hit no. 1 next week. up to no. 2 this week.

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 September 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

gonna start using "the third minute of 'Adorn'" as a euphemism for keys that unlock wonderful hidden treasures

IN REAL LIFE (some dude), Thursday, 6 September 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

:D

The Reverend, Thursday, 6 September 2012 22:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

have we all seen this? this performance of "adorn" is AHMAZING

http://pitchfork.com/news/47615-watch-miguel-perform-adorn-at-moma-ps1/

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 September 2012 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

sarge where are these new previews of which you speak?

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 September 2012 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

#secrete promos

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 September 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

ooh -- "Secrete" is a perfect Miguel title

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 September 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think i should be shaking my head at that

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 September 2012 23:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

let my joke adorn you

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 September 2012 23:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

secrete all over you

USADA Bin Dopen (dayo), Friday, 7 September 2012 01:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

jealous of alfred that lil b memes go over his head

IN REAL LIFE (some dude), Friday, 7 September 2012 01:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

air preview now streaming http://kaleidoscopedream.officialmiguel.com/

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://soundcloud.com/miguelofficial/sets/kaleidoscope-dream-the-air/s-xfuSb

On soundcloud. For those who might prefer it there...

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've just been going around for the last few days softly singing "i wanna do you like drugs toniiiiiiiiiiight"

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

in the past 9 months where i've grown to view miguel as a singular genius i have to sometimes constantly remind myself that he can write some really hilariously corny lyrics

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

but then he can also write something as dope as "we can be the riot in the air tonight"

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

i feel like i've been able to reconcile his good ideas and bad ideas as part of an overall appealing package ever since he looked as goofy as he did in the video for a song as good as "Sure Thing"

wow @ "Do You..."

manic pixie, mercy, yo chick she's so quirky (some dude), Saturday, 8 September 2012 02:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i feel like we've got so much in common now, right about now baby

Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think his lacking a "star" profile (yet) makes the occasional poor articulation of musical ideas more interesting.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i feel like we've got so much in common now, right about now baby

― Tim F, Friday, September 7, 2012 11:03 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

i've been going back and forth about whether or not he says "do you like hugs?" right before this

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

wonder if that's him on gee-tar on "Do You"

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

he does say "do you like hugs?"

other talents aside, he's a singer I love listening to

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha and what sounds like "do you like drugs" in the outro

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

wonder if that's him on gee-tar on "Do You"

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 7, 2012 11:10 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark

maybe. production is credited to jerry wonda but miguel definitely played something on it.

"the thrill" is a solo production. title track is remi.

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha and what sounds like "do you like drugs" in the outro

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 7, 2012 11:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

oh this is definitely what he says. it's a play on words at the beginning of the song ("do you like drugs?") and the end ("i'ma do you like drugs")

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah he says "do you like hugs" a few times.

I'm liking how, the more of the album I hear, the more distinctly an overall sonic aesthetic is emerging, and yet each instance of it sounds so singular and distinct.

Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

ugh two uses of "distinct", but you get me.

Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that's definitely the main thing about this. i've heard the entire thing now, it sounds really good as a whole. dude just has a very strong idea of what he wants to sound like, just very singular and his singing is of course impeccable across the whole thing. the parts of the album that aren't out yet are still different but you can definitely feel his vision tracing thru the whole thing.

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

jesus christ the restless bass on "do you"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah that kind of sub-bass is basically my favorite thing in music. His vocals on the last half are badass too. Great track.

Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Saturday, 8 September 2012 04:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

jesus christ the restless bass on "do you"

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, September 8, 2012 3:28 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Its just as good (if not better) on The Thrill. just rumbles along down there.

Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Saturday, 8 September 2012 04:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

still think rtc's offhand springsteen comparison is the most on-base one i've seen so far - it's kind of where it clicked into place for me (which is weird b/c i don't even care about springsteen)

lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

until Salaam Remi and Jerry Wonda had tracks side by side on this it never occurred to me that 2 different Fugees producers from back in the day have had pretty good careers the last few years

manic pixie, mercy, yo chick she's so quirky (some dude), Saturday, 8 September 2012 11:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

jordan what did he do with "pussy is mine"?

k3vin k., Saturday, 8 September 2012 11:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

that seems like a personal question

manic pixie, mercy, yo chick she's so quirky (some dude), Saturday, 8 September 2012 11:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha

k3vin k., Saturday, 8 September 2012 11:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

"pussy is mine" is on the album, it's pretty close to iirc what he was doing live. just him & the guitar and then it leads into the stripped down version of "candles in the sun"

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

with samples of John Lennon saying "I have found out personally, not for the whole world, that the pussy is mine"

manic pixie, mercy, yo chick she's so quirky (some dude), Saturday, 8 September 2012 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

not really feeling the Labi Siffre appropriation on the title track. Do You is tremendous though

Number None, Saturday, 8 September 2012 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

hi, my name is, my name is, slim miggy

r|t|c, Saturday, 8 September 2012 16:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

j0rdan please tell me that you think this album is better than channel BORING so that i can merely jealous of you hearing it and not resentful as well

manic pixie, mercy, yo chick she's so quirky (some dude), Saturday, 8 September 2012 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

no, be resentful as well

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

My fear is that Miguel's album is as boring as Ocean's. The heart can't handle these kinds of blows.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

already impossible based on the tracks that are out now

manic pixie, mercy, yo chick she's so quirky (some dude), Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

New tracks are great. Still constantly shocked and delighted over how this whimpy dude with a really muffled mixtape I somehow downloaded and a nice song with J. Cole became one of my favorite contemporary artists

Evan R, Monday, 10 September 2012 03:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

idk if miguel changed it up or what but just noticed the double tracked whispers on 'use me'

dayo, Monday, 10 September 2012 11:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Adorn" is now his second R&B #1.

tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

'the thrill' makes me cry every time i hear it

maura, Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

(in a good way)

maura, Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

"adorn" will almost certainly be officially his biggest hit ever next week

J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's #41 on the new hot 100

maura, Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

third #1 if you count "Lotus Flower Bomb"

some dude, Friday, 14 September 2012 00:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

idk if miguel changed it up or what but just noticed the double tracked whispers on 'use me'

― dayo, Monday, September 10, 2012 7:26 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark

the layers of different vocal tracks w/ different effects and intonations on his new stuff is just masteful

some dude, Friday, 14 September 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

guelly da kid angling to get a shoutout in the the very definition of showmanship: The Crazy Mic/Mic Stand! thread

some dude, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 04:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

I could have sworn I been had posted Migs in there.

tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 05:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

pro tip: sing "sensitive thuuuuuuugs, sensitive thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs" to the tune of "Do You"

tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 05:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Shouldn't it be "sensitive thuuuuuugs, do you need huuuuuuugs?"

Tim F, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 11:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh, duh

tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Listening to "Kaleidoscope Dream" (the song), it occurs to me that Miguel's Prince appropriations are at times startlingly like Me'Shell Ndgeocello's Prince appropriations.

Tim F, Thursday, 20 September 2012 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

rofl roscoe dash tried to come at the god today on twitter

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Friday, 21 September 2012 00:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

asserting that Miguel did not write the words he sang on "Lotus Flower Bomb" is doing him a favor imo

some dude, Friday, 21 September 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

btw there are a shit-ton of "Adorn" freestyles out right now by rappers you would never want to hear on that song but Ma$e's is the only one i felt compelled to rubberneck at: http://rapradar.com/2012/09/10/new-music-mae-adorn-remix/

some dude, Friday, 21 September 2012 02:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah they all started piling up at once

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Friday, 21 September 2012 03:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

i hope the no-rappers policy on the album is extended to no official remixes. actually he can just not collaborate w/ any rappers at all (although i like "summer on smash")

some dude, Friday, 21 September 2012 04:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

pleasing fwiw

r|t|c, Friday, 21 September 2012 09:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

kids in my school's journalism/broadcast program chose "adorn" as the outgoing credits music for the first school announcements video segment of the year. it was a nice moment at the end of the program. (half of the kids in my homeroom were like i love this song! and half were like, who is this?)

horseshoe, Friday, 21 September 2012 09:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

also waiting to hear which song had been chosen for the outro was the #1 thing my kids were invested in about the broadcast, so i choose to attach some *significance* to the choice.

horseshoe, Friday, 21 September 2012 09:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

god the guitar ringing out suddenly 2/3 into "do you" >>>>>>>>>>>>

lex pretend, Friday, 21 September 2012 11:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

good billboard feature: http://www.billboard.com/features/miguel-s-kaleidoscope-dream-inside-the-r-1007955262.story#/features/miguel-s-kaleidoscope-dream-inside-the-r-1007955262.story

also finally get an answer to my question about whether the song was lengthened after the fact: With radio stations already asking for the mixtape cut, Miguel agreed to return to the studio and add a bridge to the track, and soon "Adorn" became a three-minute, 14-second official single

some dude, Sunday, 23 September 2012 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought Lex said the exact opposite.

did drake invent yolo (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/v/JxKxShNHY-g&fs=1&hl=en

pleasing fwiw

― r|t|c, Friday, September 21, 2012 5:32 AM (2 days ago)

this pleases meh

when is this gonna leak already

la goonies (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh yeah, maybe lex can clarify what was said? (xpost)

some dude, Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Alicia Keys is apparently on the album version of "Candles in the Sun" :/

The Reverend, Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol ugh

some dude, Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

i hope just shouting "THERE'S NO SEPERATION, WE'RE ALL ONE!" in a british accent

some dude, Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can't decide whether I loathe Alicia Keys or Rihanna with greater intensity.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Interesting to note that All I Want Is You only sold roughly 1/40th of its eventual total in its first week out.

The Reverend, Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

iirc he also told me that adorn was always longer and that he put the shorter version on ADC

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

also that thing about alicia being on "candles in the sun" is incorrect. that was just a screw up in the complex article.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

miguel wrote "where's the fun in forever" while he was in jamaica doing work for her album, she ended up not taking the track for her album and she agreed to let him have it. they left some of her vocals on the song, but it's far from a duet or something.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like that "Do You" has this late 90s post-Timbo jitterbeatz thing going on rhythmically, but with a totally different sonic palette.

The Reverend, Sunday, 23 September 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

btw Billboard article says that "Do You" is the next single and that the Target edition of the album will have bonus tracks (hopefully new-new stuff but i wouldn't mind some more ADC stuff getting included)

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 00:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think he said something about "do you..." being the next single back when it was called "drugs"

He did say something to me about doing some bonus tracks because the album isn't crazy long but I have no idea what those are

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 04:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

the longer version was the original but he prefers the shorter version

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:35 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lex pretend, Monday, 24 September 2012 05:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't have the exact quote as i'm not in london with the recording right now, and i didn't put it in the piece, but i pretty much asked him directly and he answered directly. he could've been lying, artists have been known to do that!

lex pretend, Monday, 24 September 2012 05:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

or maybe Billboard magazine is getting a little lax with their rigorous research standards ;)

did drake invent yolo (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 24 September 2012 05:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

and now he's extending it even longer live :O

just incredible

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 07:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

33 songs, mostly old stuff. looks like there are a couple that have been rehabbed ("That I Do", "Pussy Is Mine").

http://words.obsqr.com/post/6620823199/obsqr-presents-miguel-free-and-young-143mb-a

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 08:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wow, great performance.

MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 08:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

<3

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 09:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

hmmm, I hadn't listened to the lyrics :/

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 09:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

You know, I just realized "Adorn" is probably my favorite song since "Happy House" :O

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 10:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah it's def my favorite song in a very long time

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 12:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i sorta forgot how much of it we've already heard. New ones sound good though

Number None, Monday, 24 September 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

P---- Is Mine

Artist: Miguel
Album: Kaleidoscope Dream

Please be advised, this audio contains profanity.

Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

May go see him (if my schedule works out) Wednesday night at the (reopened and renovated) Howard Theatre

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 September 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pizza Is Mine

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

i sorta forgot how much of it we've already heard.

That was my beef with all the post-ADC "previews" of this album. It was like seeing 2/3 of The Dark Knight Rises in advance, one 7-minute trailer at a time

Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

Look at it this way: it'll be like buying FutureSex/LoveSounds or Rhythm Nation after you've heard the 67 singles.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, to be sure, it doesn't ruin the album or anything. it just waters down the experience of hearing it for the first time

Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, i've sort of come to peace with the whole thing. even the jessie ware album, it's the same thing. you've just got to step back and not hold it against an album if it arrives and we've already heard half of it.

i guess there is also the choice to not listen to any leaks.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't mind since the single/3-5 song EP is my preferred choice of method of consumption these days

I'm haunted by an rtc comment: something like, 'lol at the idea of an album in 2012' or something to that effect

barthes simpson, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

personally i think the best strategy nowadays is to do what jay/ye & frank ocean (and others) have done and that's to let one or two songs go before dropping the whole thing in full as a digital download. you probably get a nice windfall in sales and everyone gets that experience of hearing it for the first time together. buzz builds for a week and then you can drop the physical. but, maybe that takes a special kind of situation.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

trying to remember the last time a contemporary R&B album with this high a profile came out w/ no obligatory guest rappers

― some dude, Monday, August 27, 2012 12:38 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

might have been preferable to his own rap :/

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

and he drops a "YOLO" bomb .....

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha, "Where's The Fun In Forever" = where his hanging out w/ FlyLo, Thundercat, etc shows. definitely has that LA "beat scene" feel

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

might have been preferable to his own rap :/

― The Reverend, Monday, September 24, 2012 1:24 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

ha, yes

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

On the other hand there's less "work" to put into listening to an album on which you've heard four tracks.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

btw for those who wondered what the original version of "That I Do" sounded like:

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

So I'm curious to see whether all the critical enthusiasm and general good will surrounding Miguel translates into glowing "OMG, you need to buy this! You cannot ignore this!" reviews a la Frank Ocean, or just easier to phase out "Hey, this is pretty good for an R&B album because it's different" reviews

Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh best case scenario it doesn't get half the critical hype FO has gotten

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

I find most of the Ocean an album a well-intentioned bore made by a talented guy whereas Miguel started as a talented guy whose already dropped at least six killer tracks this year.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

* omit the "an"

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like "Adorn" and "Arch N Point" more than any particular song on Channel Orange but don't find this album nearly as immersive.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm delighted by both, obviously, but my overall experience with each artist so far is that Frank Ocean floors me at first but some of the shine fades over time, where Miguel's material just continues to keep growing on me, even despite absurd amounts of exposure

Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

I feel like I'm going to end up listening to songs from this over and over rather than the album over and over.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Which is the same as happened with AIWIY and ADC.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

So I'm curious to see whether all the critical enthusiasm and general good will surrounding Miguel translates into glowing "OMG, you need to buy this! You cannot ignore this!" reviews a la Frank Ocean, or just easier to phase out "Hey, this is pretty good for an R&B album because it's different" reviews

― Evan R, Monday, September 24, 2012 1:51 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, probably the latter. people definitely embrace the weirdo aspects of miguel's persona and music, but i think the one thing about frank's album (objectively speaking) is that it had this perfect confluence of the artist getting a lot of attention as a celebrity and is music that sounds more like the type of black music that critics have always loved. it's a very strong, singular album imo but it has a wider appeal to critics than, say, the-dream. it's a hip soul album, more or less -- the type of thing that critics have privileged for years, but on the pop stage. miguel has won a lot of people over just because he's so damn good, but it's still not in that same classification as frank.

that said he'll be getting an exponentially higher amount of press now than he did w/ anything off his first record, so that alone is a major coup.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

He's made a ridiculous percentage of my favorite songs of the past couple years, but he hasn't quite mastered the album format.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i mean i'd buy that. i'm still rating 'channel orange' over this partly for that reason.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ergo, he should just keep releasing lots of amazing EPs.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

He's made a ridiculous percentage of my favorite songs of the past couple years, but he hasn't quite mastered the album format.

― The Reverend, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:03 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

damn, you gotta hand down that proclamation on high the day the album starts streaming?

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think the one thing about frank's album (objectively speaking) is that it had this perfect confluence of the artist getting a lot of attention as a celebrity and is music that sounds more like the type of black music that critics have always loved. it's a very strong, singular album imo but it has a wider appeal to critics than, say, the-dream. it's a hip soul album, more or less

Yeah, I think that's fair. I was gushing over the Frank Ocean album with a music-critic friend last week, and he was explaining how Channel Orange was exactly the type of album he'd been waiting for, not from R&B per se, but just from a singer-songwriter in general. That album fills a really big hole

Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess i wouldn't say that he hasn't mastered the album format... one of my favorite things about this album is that i think all these different sounds make more sense when you hear them played straight through.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

damn, you gotta hand down that proclamation on high the day the album starts streaming?

― some dude, Monday, September 24, 2012 11:06 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean, obv I'll give it room to grow, but I don't like most of the new songs (including the ones from the previews) nearly as much as my favorite stuff from the ADCs and I think the whole vibe is a bit more predictable whereas ADC was all about surprises.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh i think this album is way better than ADC. i mean those have the bangers but there was also some filler, intentional (reused tracks) and not ("party life"). this is dope all the way thru even tho it tails off a bit towards the end.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

for me now, like, now that "adorn" and "arch n point" are on this album, the only things i'll play off of the EPs are "...alll" (which wouldn't have fit on the album) and the OG version of "candles"

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I still play "That I Do", "Gravity", and "Party Life" a hell of a lot in addition to those (other than "Candles", which is just whatever in both versions). I do think I like ADC as a project more than Kaleidoscope Dream.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Then again, only Kaleidoscope Dream has the third minute of "Adorn"...

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'll add some enthusiasm to the pot: This record rules. It sounds nothing if not masterly to me, including the new songs ("Pussy" aside). I loved AIWIY, too, but that album was all over the place. This one covers as much ground without feeling so scattered.

I come from a different perspective than the Rev, though. The album is important to me as a format, and this is a great album.

Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

8. “Where’s the Fun in Forever?”
9. “Arch & Point”

A+ album sequencing here (had nearly worn out the latter but once it kicked in, it suddenly seemed fresh)

Andy K, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

"all" is definitely the ADC exclusive that i keep going back to

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I do think this album is better than AIWIY, which never really clicked with me beyond the singles despite my best efforts.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

This one covers as much ground without feeling so scattered.

I agree with this, but I think part of my reservations stem from it being a bit too singular in its vibe? It could use a wild curveball or two.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pu$$y song is so lame and pointless, idk. The rest is cool though.

Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

I come from a different perspective than the Rev, though. The album is important to me as a format, and this is a great album.

I certainly appreciate a good album! But I don't consider it sacrosanct, no. I probably prefer the EP as a format at this point. I suspect Miguel does, too.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

"...All" is second only to "Arch n Point" in replay value on my iPod, so unless he sticks it on a comp eventually its lack of availability will probably add to its aura.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

I agree with this, but I think part of my reservations stem from it being a bit too singular in its vibe? It could use a wild curveball or two.

― The Reverend, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:25 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think there are at least a couple songs on here that could be considered a 'wild curveball' if the whole album was being heard for the first time at once

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pu$$y song is so lame and pointless, idk. The rest is cool though.

the "I didn't realize we were recording" framing device is kind of infuriating. would have preferred a fully orchestrated/ gospel choired "broads"

rob, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

the "I didn't realize we were recording" framing device is kind of infuriating.

I like "Pussy Is Mine", but this.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'll probably just end up inserting the original version, which as far as I can tell is otherwise identical into the running order.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think there are at least a couple songs on here that could be considered a 'wild curveball' if the whole album was being heard for the first time at once

― some dude, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:39 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah i mean definitely "use me" and "don't look back" were pretty surprising to me and if i was just hearing this blind i'd be pretty engrossed with where it goes sonically

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's easy to forget how much of an outlier "Adorn" is because it's the first track/lead single, too

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's funny, when i talked to him he seemed kind of, like, ashamed by "how many drinks" and to a lesser extent "adorn" because they're the most r&b songs on the record and the ones most aimed at the radio but even those are pretty damn singular sounding for radio joints

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

As cheesy as this sounds, I'm gratified that Miguel still managed to take "Adorn" to #1; it was no....sure thing.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh definitely.... it's a special song. that anecdote that al relayed about the radio DJs mirrors the reaction i've seen/heard from most people who have heard the song. it's just such a gorgeous, likable song.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

as a lady i am very pro-'pussy is mine'

maura, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

the Baltimore station STILL plays the 2-minute "Adorn," which is kind of charming but mostly frustrating, doesn't feel complete to me anymore

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

loving the first listen. "do you" would definitely be a curve ball.

in fact hes about curve balls (except for adorn)

very important: thank god a short album

moullet, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

A+ album sequencing here (had nearly worn out the latter but once it kicked in, it suddenly seemed fresh)

otm

a+ sequencing throughout, which i worried about having gotten to know half the tracks through three song eps

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 24 September 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I feel like I'm going to end up listening to songs from this over and over rather than the album over and over.

― The Reverend, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:00 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Which is the same as happened with AIWIY and ADC.

― The Reverend, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:00 PM (4 hours ago)

what songs are you skipping on AIWIY? 0_o

psyched to listen to this, and that 33-song thing!

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 24 September 2012 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

as a lady i am very pro-'pussy is mine'

― maura, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:34 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i'm not a lady, but i'm a huge fan of the track too

heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 24 September 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

pretty thrilled w/ the final album, although i think i liked the original "Candle" more than most people and he really fucked it up on the album imo

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

AIWIY is probably my favorite album of the past 3 years. close call between it and LTTP

xxp to myself

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 24 September 2012 22:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah I agree that the old version is better but I sorta get what he was going for sonically at least with it coming after "pussy is mine"

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah it makes a certain sense. maybe knowing it was the live band arrangement makes me hear it that way but it doesn't sound studio enough to fit w/ the rest of the album imo.

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

What I love most about this boy is how much he loves to sing. I could listen to "Where's The Fun in Forever" a cappella.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

his voice is insane, i was boggling at that "Adorn" live youtube upthread today

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 22:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

what songs are you skipping on AIWIY? 0_o

Like I said, it never really clicked with me beyond the singles even though I gave it plenty of opportunities. I did delete that out of place electro song right off the bat tho. Hearing that it's your favorite album of the past few years is kind of bizarre to me tbh.

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 22:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

What I love most about this boy is how much he loves to sing. I could listen to "Where's The Fun in Forever" a cappella.

― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, September 24, 2012 6:25 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

his voice is insane, i was boggling at that "Adorn" live youtube upthread today

― some dude, Monday, September 24, 2012 6:27 PM (3 minutes ago)

so otm, his is my favorite voice in r&b right now. i think the one i posted a couple weeks ago is an even better example

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 24 September 2012 22:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok first time hearing 'the thrill' and it's kind of amazing

barthes simpson, Monday, 24 September 2012 22:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

think I'm gonna have the ^^ reaction to all the songs that weren't on the ADC EPs, honestly.

barthes simpson, Monday, 24 September 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

his voice is insane, i was boggling at that "Adorn" live youtube upthread today

― some dude, Monday, September 24, 2012 6:27 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

otm

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

album version of candle in the sun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADC version

barthes simpson, Monday, 24 September 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

After living with "The Thrill" for a couple weeks, I can't remember a note of it. :/

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

really? i love that song

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 23:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

the rhythm of that song is so cool and disorienting

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

for me that's more true of 'kaleidoscope dream' if anything xp

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

i definitely hadn't committed the new Water/Air preview songs to memory already, though, but that's a good thing, lets me hear the album as an album

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

the rhythm of that song is so cool and disorienting

― some dude, Monday, September 24, 2012

It's the album's sleeper imo.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 23:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

The title track connected with me the quickest of any of the new songs. It may just be that the Labi Siffre sample made my ears perk up immediately. I do like the song quite a bit though, even if it's not quite as good as "Use Me" or "Do You".

The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Do You" is sick, starting to get really excited about the prospect of hearing it on the radio

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that song just routinely blows my mind

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

the "where's the fun" bassline is so crazy

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 23:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

album is just full of killer basslines

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

album version of candle in the sun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADC version

yeah imma side with barthes on this one

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 24 September 2012 23:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

madness imo

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't know, i don't really like the filter on miguel's voice, and something about the instrumentation makes the song seem more meandering than it is. think it really comes into its own as a song on the album version. also prefer the hook as a totally sung thing.

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 24 September 2012 23:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

I prefer the album CITS too but it still plays like a B-side: the kind of track on which he tries something without quite hitting it.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 23:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like how evil and clausterphobic the ADC version sounds

some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

removal of the lennon sample may have influenced my call

barthes simpson, Monday, 24 September 2012 23:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

removal of the lennon sample may have influenced my call

was also gonna say

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 00:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha i like it

some dude, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 01:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is good, but it seems sort of...slight? some cool production and obviously there's nothing like his voice, but it's not the cinematic experience AIWIY was; there's no centerpiece like "teach me" that just leaves you reeling

la goonies (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh alright, "how many drinks" is pretty much a perfect little song

la goonies (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 03:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh, the rapping

la goonies (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 03:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

hold on, do i have a different copy?

la goonies (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 03:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

hm, i'm missing "where's the fun"

la goonies (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah the double-tracking of his vocals on "how many drinks" is really nicely done, makes it sound like the song is floating away from you as you're listening to it; it's almost flirtatious

la goonies (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 03:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

how many drinks turns amazing when he drops back into his lower register towards the end

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 05:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow you all have talked a lot about an album that you've already heard half of!

(i can't listen until tomorrow :( )

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 05:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

i def heard the qualms re "pussy is mine" but it's a pretty bravely fragile, even subversive track. how often does a male r&b singer say "you make me cum"?? it's plays nice with how bombastic "use me" is

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 08:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

thiiis is sooo goooooood

heiswagger (rennavate), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

help you bring your mind to a better place
teach each other how to rennavate
yeah, rennavate

some dude, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 16:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

In my ordered-by-album iTunes playlist Kaleidoscope Dream goes straight into Destroyer's Kaputt, and it's not remotely jarring

Evan R, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also: "babies on crack" is still unintentionally funny. Was hoping he'd rewrite that lyric.

Evan R, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

one more for the live "adorn" compendium

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 03:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

that didn't post right?

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 04:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

hmm, n/m

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 05:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

:(

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 05:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

kind of annoyed i missed hi when he was in london the other week

lex pretend, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 08:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

*him

more annoyed that i can't type today

lex pretend, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 08:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

He's made a ridiculous percentage of my favorite songs of the past couple years, but he hasn't quite mastered the album format.

Really? This feels totally coherent and of-a-piece to me, possibly because the sound is so coherent even when the songwriting goes to loads of different places.

I really like this by the way, haven't paid much attention to Miguel before now but I'm glad I got to hear all these songs for the first time at once. It's so self-assured, like you get the feeling a lesser talent would either have hedged their bets and thrown in a couple of rote house bangers OR just gone totally over-the-top with the psychedelia and produced some kind of garish Solange-does-Flaming-Lips mess.

Will admit I feared the worst on hearing the outro to Don't Look Back but he never lets the aesthetic or the instrumentation overwhelm either the voice or the songwriting, both of which are by and large impeccable.

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 September 2012 10:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

This album is truly amazing. Love it.

longneck, Thursday, 27 September 2012 10:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

hang on "candles in the sun" is a completely different version of the ADC one? awesome

lex pretend, Thursday, 27 September 2012 11:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

your beloved Lennon is gone!

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 September 2012 12:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

He was pretty good live last night at the Howard Theatre in DC. Sold-out show, lots of enthusiastic women. He was backed by a guitarist, keyboardist who also played bass, another keyboardist and a drummer. Did a fair amount of Prince-inspired dance moves with the mic. His seduction effor with a woman upfront on the "P is Mine" did not go over too well, but his friendly and humble chatter later did, as did the brief tribute to Los Angeles rap and his hits and more. Played for about an hour and 10 minutes.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 27 September 2012 13:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

jealous that you went, i really wanted to

he's playing morgan state's homecoming in a couple weeks w/ 2 chainz and elle varner, i should figure out some way to go

the definition of fuckshit bird (some dude), Thursday, 27 September 2012 13:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

He's in Philly tonight. A number of folks immediately headed to the door right when the main part of the set ended and before he came back for an encore. I guess expectations are so low for live r'n'b shows that people didn't thing he would do one. Yes, it was a work/school night but it was not that late. Oh, Bobby Valentino opened last night. He was ok. I think you're trying too hard when you pull your shirt off after only the second song.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think encores are less expected outside of the rock show context, at least for people that don't go to a lot of concerts in general.

the definition of fuckshit bird (some dude), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's pretty amusing that 'Pussy Is Mine' is bookended with this sort of fake sheepishness and shunted at the end of the album. If this were a Terius album it would be wonderfully and unashamedly blown up into a 10mins vainglorious album centrepiece and split into 'Pussy Is Mine (Parts 1 and 2)'.

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

"where's the fun" is pretty inessential

la goonies (k3vin k.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like it a lot?

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

He's in Philly tonight. A number of folks immediately headed to the door right when the main part of the set ended and before he came back for an encore. I guess expectations are so low for live r'n'b shows that people didn't thing he would do one. Yes, it was a work/school night but it was not that late. Oh, Bobby Valentino opened last night. He was ok. I think you're trying too hard when you pull your shirt off after only the second song.

― curmudgeon, Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:06 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think encores are less expected outside of the rock show context, at least for people that don't go to a lot of concerts in general.

― the definition of fuckshit bird (some dude), Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:20 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it's weird i was at the weekend last night and he didn't come back for an encore, but the crowd waited around for one, but actually didn't cheer/chant for one? very odd...

heiswagger (rennavate), Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

also this is finally out in the wild

heiswagger (rennavate), Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's pretty amusing that 'Pussy Is Mine' is bookended with this sort of fake sheepishness and shunted at the end of the album. If this were a Terius album it would be wonderfully and unashamedly blown up into a 10mins vainglorious album centrepiece and split into 'Pussy Is Mine (Parts 1 and 2)'.

― Matt DC, Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:20 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

think it was probably mentioned upthread, but is anybody else of the opinion that pizza is mine is on there to dispel gay rumors?

barthes simpson, Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

not if you've dated guys who are p-----?

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

jesus christ i love how that metronome sound is used in "arch & point"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh I didn't know that it was also slang

barthes simpson, Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

"where's the fun" is pretty inessential

― la goonies (k3vin k.), Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i thought this for a bit but it makes a lot more sense to me/i like it a lot more now that rev pointed out its similarities to thundercat

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

think it was probably mentioned upthread, but is anybody else of the opinion that pizza is mine is on there to dispel gay rumors?

― barthes simpson, Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:36 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

outside this thread i'm not sure there are any more gay rumors about miguel than there are about pretty much every popular R&B singer

some dude, Thursday, 27 September 2012 23:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

also it's not exactly the most masculine thing a dude could write

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 23:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha ok i get alfred's post now

la goonies (k3vin k.), Thursday, 27 September 2012 23:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

apparently Kaleidoscope Dream and a lot of other albums dropped early on vinyl this week to make the Grammys deadline

some dude, Friday, 28 September 2012 02:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

i noticed a few months ago that he was selling the vinyl on his website and that it shipped a week early but i thought it was just some general incentive to get ppl to spring for the vinyl

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Friday, 28 September 2012 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wld buy a copy on vinyl

barthes simpson, Friday, 28 September 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Where's The Fun is great. The only bits I'm not sold on yet are the title track and The Thrill.

Matt DC, Friday, 28 September 2012 08:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Fall into forever / just forgive me I was faithless

That's probably my favorite moment on the album

Evan R, Friday, 28 September 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Will admit I feared the worst on hearing the outro to Don't Look Back but he never lets the aesthetic or the instrumentation overwhelm either the voice or the songwriting, both of which are by and large impeccable.

― Matt DC, Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:1

"Use Me" and "Don't look Back" both sounded great live Wednesday night. Not overblown or overwrought.

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 September 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

ftr there are some gems on that 33-song compilation rev posted upthread. "magazines" in particular, some others i can't remember. many of these are probably early cuts and he's still looking for his voice (figuratively, but literally sometimes - i'm almost posotive ne-yo is actually singing "hand it over"), but the quality is surprisingly good overall

a bunch of these are songs for other artists i had no idea he wrote

la goonies (k3vin k.), Friday, 28 September 2012 21:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think he was nominated for a grammy for a song he did with musiq... also he wrote some joints on 'raymond vs raymond' (including "mars vs. venus" !!)

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Friday, 28 September 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

"i feel the night approaching / the moon is calling me" on don't look back beginning sounds like night air !

moullet, Friday, 28 September 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Grammy nomination was for co-writing this:

Andy K, Friday, 28 September 2012 23:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

"where's the fun in forever" is one of the best joints on here

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 00:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

was just thinking right now that it's interesting to me that he wrote everything here w/in a pretty pop structure... like for his "alternative," "live-driven" album the longest song on this is just 4:45. after hearing the "use me" & "don't look back" i would've put money on there being like one 8 min song or something.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

also interesting to me is that i believe when he says that he set out to do something that was liked by tastemakers even if it didn't continue his career trajectory as a radio star and then he goes out and writes the biggest pop hit of his career, boosts his profile considerably with hipsters and the general public and probably has a few more on the way.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 01:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i think his idea of arty or experimental is still really focused on hooks, melody, emotion, vocal performances, and just taking musical chances that can foreground those elements. which i love, very keyed in to what i like to hear. (xpost)

some dude, Saturday, 29 September 2012 01:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

i am pretty curious to see if this album has the same kind of run of 3-4 big radio hits like the last one, and what those songs end up being.

some dude, Saturday, 29 September 2012 01:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah... i could see "drugs" and "how many drinks?" both doing pretty well at radio even if they don't come close to scraping "adorn" -- he should do big first week numbers either way tho

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 01:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think the song i'm crossing my fingers for single hopes the most is "Use Me"

some dude, Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

after "adorn" did so well i've given up on predicting what songs have a shot at being a hit

la goonies (k3vin k.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

the album version immediately turned me around on thinking that song had radio potential

some dude, Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

i was definitely happy when they ran with it as a single after the EPs cuz i think it definitely had picked up some steam on the internet but i definitely didn't expect it to be his biggest radio hit ever

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

definitely

la goonies (k3vin k.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

when i talked to him "adorn" was just starting to get radio play and he was saying that he didn't write any songs for the radio and i was sort of contemplating the idea of him disassociating from the major system and going indie or something, but that certainly isn't happening anytime soon now.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

damn i definitely wrote definitely three times in that post

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i mean he had a lot of momentum off the last record but mid-level R&B stars are on such shaky ground these days, you can have a couple big hits one year and then just start shooting nothing but blanks for no real obvious reason, wouldn't have shocked me if he'd started slipping off the radar right now

some dude, Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah me either. he played me an early version of "how many drinks?" and i was like "ah well they've got that one at least, maybe people will think it's a lovely mmts song"

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm still floored that "Adorn" hit #1. If he gets "Use Me" into the R&B top twenty I'll be ready to give all the credit for Miguel's A&R guys and promotion for the way they've finessed his exposure in the last eight months.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha i wrote "somewhat" three different times in a somewhat important email a few days ago and was really pissed at myself about it, it happens somewhat more frequently than we'd like xxp

la goonies (k3vin k.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

do you like adverrrrrbs
me too

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

"how many drinks" seems like the most immediate, most surefire choice, but again who knows. plus i really love that song...that's another thing you realize listening to that old collection of songs, he doesn't really take advantage of his amazing voice like he does with his songs these days

la goonies (k3vin k.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

you know Second Album Syndrome? This is one where the artist gets it right: honing skills, sure, but also using newfound confidence to unearth new ones.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm still floored that "Adorn" hit #1. If he gets "Use Me" into the R&B top twenty I'll be ready to give all the credit for Miguel's A&R guys and promotion for the way they've finessed his exposure in the last eight months.

― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 28, 2012 10:41 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think this renaissance is pretty artist-driven. all the ADC stuff was very much his vision & all financed by him... ime he works with a pretty small team. "adorn" is certainly, like, he wrote a classic joint and pushed it himself initially before it really took off (his people may have suggested he write a final minute or maybe it already existed, who knows). but if he strings together multiple hits off this album it's genius shit on his part.

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 29 September 2012 02:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

that jaheim song he wrote that won a grammy is dope. is his album worth checking out (jaheim's)? i really liked some of his early songs ("fabulous" in particular is a gem)

heiswagger (rennavate), Sunday, 30 September 2012 01:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

been wondering that myself. I havent checked his stuff for a long time.

Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Sunday, 30 September 2012 02:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyone think this one is better than his first?

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 October 2012 01:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think you and i are the only people who have spent a lot of time than the first, so it's kind of a moot point (too soon to tell for me but i am pretty high on the new one at the moment).

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 01:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

a lot of time WITH the first

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 01:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like the new one a lot too but my impression of it hasn't really changed since i first listened to it - i've listened to it about 5 times and my favorites aren't really changing from listen to listen like with the first, and i'm not really discovering new things buried in the songs to love, as i STILL am with the first. i think it's a fine follow-up though, much better than some of the other follow-ups i'd been anticipating by other favorite artists of mine over the past couple years

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 October 2012 01:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've been busy all week and haven't had a chance to listen more than once, but I was under the impression most people think this is better than the first album? I think your perspective of the first album's reception is fairly skewed by your love of it.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

no i know that people slept on miguel's first album. he wasn't on pitchfork all the time back then, so it's not surprising

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i don't think anyone really rates the first album that highly

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's not that I slept on it, it's just that I didn't enjoy it that much.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

no i know that people slept on miguel's first album. he wasn't on pitchfork all the time back then, so it's not surprising

― la goonies (k3vin k.), Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:13 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark

*puts head on chin, leans forward*

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

;)

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

first album both has more good songs and higher highs, though "adorn" might be his best song. new one is very good at what it aims to be, which is a breezy, pleasant 40-minute record, but it isn't the trip the first was

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

don't really think you're listening to it right if "breezy, pleasant" is what you're getting from it

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe k3v downloaded a bad leak?

barthes simpson, Monday, 1 October 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

doubt it but i was talking more about the songcraft than the sonics, admittedly, which haven't grabbed me one way or another

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 October 2012 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

first album has ... higher highs, though "adorn" might be his best song.

this sentence contradicts itself?

i still think "sure thing" is his best song but the rest of kaleidoscope dream kills his first album, though i really might just shove "...all" after "arch & point", i'm so used to that coming next and it's probably the greatest ADC track that didn't get reused.

lex pretend, Monday, 1 October 2012 06:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

well i said "might" - in any event the first one has his like 2nd through 5th best songs

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 1 October 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sorry if this was discussed hotheads but what the he'll happened to gravity?

Moreno, Monday, 1 October 2012 15:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hotheads = up thread. You all seem very chill

Moreno, Monday, 1 October 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol great typo

what happened like why isn't it on the album? i mean only 3 of the EP songs are on the album, 2 of which were radically changed, and "Gravity" was never a huge favorite.

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm glad the album is mostly different?

heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just seemed like it would do well as a single imo.

Moreno, Monday, 1 October 2012 15:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've listened to it about 5 times and my favorites aren't really changing from listen to listen like with the first, and i'm not really discovering new things buried in the songs to love,

totally opposite experience of this record

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

it looks like the Target deluxe edition contains "...All," "Gravity" and

and

and

::shudder::

http://www.youtube.com/v/pdiL01PRtWI&fs=1&hl=en

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow that hat is fucking terrible

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah my copy has those two songs.

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

hat is hilarious

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

the combination of that outfit and i guess wiz's height makes miguel look like a midget in that photo

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok he can't be gay because only Elton John would dress so terribly

taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

miguel's a good dresser but that outfit is horrifying

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

wiz makes miguel look short like miguel makes wiz look dignified

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Gravity is a huge favorite of mine; I was gonna post that that & ...All got hosed, so this Target Deluxe Edition is welcome news.

alpha flighticles (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 1 October 2012 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

miguel is tiny tho, he's maybe 5' 7"

instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm not saying he's not usually short, i'm saying wiz is not usually dignified

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

"do you?" is the best song to sing along to

heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

also, has anyone talked about the censored 'fuck's on "how many drinks?"? is this artistic decision, because the album has a parental advisory diclaimer, so why censor it still?

heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like the little laser noises at those moments, it's probably an artistic decision.

Either that or my leaked version is ripped off from a censored stream.

Matt DC, Monday, 1 October 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i mean i'm cool with it being artistic, cause those laser noises are dope, and it's a more effective by omission kinda thing then.

heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think my least favorite song on this is "where's the fun in forever" although it's still a good song

heiswagger (rennavate), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha so far there's no consensus

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

DO YOU LIKE HUGS?

Roland Pemberton, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Has had a girlfriend for 7 years, supposedly.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

i couldn't get through much of that asinine 'interview'

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

i couldn't even start it

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

fuck those guys

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah it was horrible.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Those guys are the scum of the earth.

longneck, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Couldn't watch it either, but "Are you gay?" should be an off-limits question in all interviews

Evan R, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

(Even in the case of artists like Frank Ocean and—to a much, much lesser extent—Miguel, whose songwriting gives some reason to suspect they might be)

Evan R, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Are you gay?" asked by two choads who make gross Rihanna jokes is off limits

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Couldn't watch it either, but "Are you gay?" should be an off-limits question in all interviews

― Evan R, Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:52 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think a writer could ask this question because you can go off record or if the artist doesn't want to talk about it you can just pretend like you didn't ask it, but in a live setting like that it's pretty shitty

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

in a weird way i think it's kind of better for someone to be able to face down that question live on the air, compared to how gossip blogs constantly insinuate that kind of thing without asking the person directly, or even in print where they can massage the context of their answer with a bunch of "he said, as he shifted uncomfortably in his chair and quickly changed the subject" type stuff.

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

imo there's just a lot of sweet-voiced men singing love songs throughout the music industry, and they ain't all gay, but in R&B there's been such a strong undercurrent of hip hop bravado the last decade or two that anyone who doesn't carry themselves that way is under suspicion and it's kinda dumb.

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

That's true to a point. I can think of few situations in which "Are you gay?" asked live isn't designed to (a) elicit a squirm from the subject (b) be sensationalist at the expense of the subject.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

like, I guess Tavis Smiley can ask and be cool.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

"true to a point" = ship's penultimate post

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i'm not saying the on-air gotcha is better as a rule, just saying in some ways being that bald-faced about it is preferable to the alternative

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not to defend these guys, but "Didn't people arbitrarily make up a gay rumor about you recently?" is a lot less direct than "Are you gay?"

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

performing on 106 & Park for 30 minutes this evening?

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

"use me" totally hit me on the train back to london this evening

i love the natural way he flips between nervous submission and aggression in the chorus, over and over

the album is really wonderfully sequenced in its final form - almost perfect even if the nature of its release means you can't help but want to make a couple of tweaks

lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

all 3 new songs are completely crucial to it imo - love "where's the fun..." - it's one of those albums where every song seems to balance the final work out just that little bit better

lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

it even makes me happier about my whatever-ness towards "adorn" because it's just a trifle of an intro, it doesn't ask me to be all starry-eyed about it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

one day, lex, you too will love 'adorn'

barthes simpson, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

this album is fantastic. listening to it at home--as opposed to streaming it at work--the whole thing sounded great. lex otm about how well it's laid out. album version of "candles" is hugely superior, not even sure how that was an issue upthread. have to say, I don't see anything else on this being a hit like "Adorn" but maybe that's just a testament to how strong it is as a collection

rob, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

i do have mild anxiety that he'll end up w/ The-Dream's career arc (three big singles off the first album, even bigger single off the lead single and then radio turns its back) but i have a feeling this'll do well with follow-up singles.

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

er 'even bigger lead single off the second album'

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

will be happy to be proven completely wrong of course, but in a way lex is sort of right about "adorn"--it is a trifle, a beautiful one that has an immediacy that's really compelling and easy to connect with, and it stands out on the album. but w/e hopefully I'm way off, it would be nice if he caught on in a big way

rob, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

In the last few weeks I've argued with a group of music critics who view this album as a pleasant muddle at best (and who prefer Frank Ocean's record).

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh hai

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actually, I've probably been overstating my ambivalence. It's definitely one of my top ten albums of the year, it's just that my expectations were sky high.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

says the guy who was lukewarm on the rest of miguel's career to this point?

la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

what? he only made my favorite song of the past several years? I thought I was pretty clearly on record as being a huge booster of the Art Dealer Chic EPs and loving the singles from the first album.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

do you video

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

i do have mild anxiety that he'll end up w/ The-Dream's career arc (three big singles off the first album, even bigger single off the lead single and then radio turns its back) but i have a feeling this'll do well with follow-up singles.

― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:43 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is an interesting parallel but for whatever reason it feels like miguel has more momentum right now?

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

intense excitement at watching new video dampened slightly by ad below the video through which I find out chris brown has a single out called 'don't judge me'

barthes simpson, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

or maybe i'm projecting but i guess i always sort of felt like we were on this wild ride with terius, like it was so hilarious & crazy that he turned into a radio star that i wasn't even really surprised when it dried up. terius felt to me like an autuer who happened to trickle up in a weird flash, but miguel feels like a career radio artist who just happens to be sneaking really good, cool shit into his songs.

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

he looked pretty awkward kissing that girl against the wall

barthes simpson, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey everybody, aren't you excited about the OFFICIAL remix of "Adorn" featuring Wiz Khalifa? no? wait, where are you going?

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think that's just a freestyle that they tacked onto the album since it already existed

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha i posted that itt the other day

a LOT of 'official remixes' these days start out as some big star doing a freestyle and then the orig. artist's label goes and decides to put their cosign on it

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol @ the headphones scene for that moment in the song, kind of perfect

lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 08:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

he looked pretty awkward kissing that girl against the wall

For whatever it's worth, the internet tells me that's his real life girlfriend Nazanin Mandi.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 08:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol @ the headphones scene for that moment in the song, kind of perfect

― lex pretend, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:07 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^^^^^

moullet, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

damn his girl is beautiful, lucky dog

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yep. His hair is getting legendary too.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

y'all missed this shit? http://necolebitchie.com/2012/08/10/miguel-does-sexy-shoot-with-girlfriend-nazanin/

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

his hair is too

barthes simpson, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

if you look closely there's visible pussy in that photo (xpost)

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

had an amazing moment vibesing to adorn on the underground yesterday when i walked past a near-exact miguel doppelganger, this lil tiny stylish mexi-asiatic lookin dude rocking an impressive quiff wearing a leather jacket. sort of wanted to pick him up and throw him in the air in celebration

then a moment of terror thinking i can't believe i used to have an even bigger quiff than that wait how many of those guys do i ever see in life was that him????

r|t|c, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

had an amazing moment vibesing to adorn on the underground yesterday when i walked past a near-exact miguel doppelganger, this lil tiny stylish mexi-asiatic lookin dude rocking an impressive quiff wearing a leather jacket. sort of wanted to pick him up

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

mm, maybe for a garden gnome

is 'do you' the official next single then? sounded like a smash to me but i wondered if they'd edit out druuuugs and more importantly how exactly. anyone heard it in the wild?

r|t|c, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

It'll be fascinating watching "Do You" climb the R&B chart

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think it's always been planned as the follow up to "adorn" and i guess they're going through with that

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

i wondered if they'd edit out druuuugs and more importantly how exactly.

single version on spotify goes "do you like looooove"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

it reasons that's why they changed the name from "drugs" to "do you..."

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

OK, so it's a quite a weird track that way, right? I really like it a lot, but find myself thinking in pretty open-ended ways about the sentiment, and the way it's phrased.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

well it's a pun, it starts out with "do you like drugs" like a question and then at the end adds "i'm gonna do you like drugs tonight"

la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

so does he say "i'm gonna do you like love tonight"? need to listen to that single edit

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

if you look closely there's visible pussy in that photo (xpost)

― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Wednesday, October 3, 2012 2:25 PM

ha, this took me a minute

alpine static, Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

pussy is yours

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that's very good

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 03:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

best new music

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sweet, now I can talk about it!

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think it's a pretty nice accomplishment, actually

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah its cool.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

i sort of said this before but it's nice to see him rewarded for his reverse-crossover attempt while still being able to grow his core fanbase. a pretty rare feat.

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Indeed.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 4 October 2012 05:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Good review.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 4 October 2012 06:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

What a remix!

MikoMcha, Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

like the review, don't like the ELEVEN frank ocean headlines underneath the review

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Thursday, 4 October 2012 12:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

If the Gibbs tape is an 8.2, this is a 9.4 though.

longneck, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

what review?

lex pretend, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

p4k?

pandemic, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

weird quote from that: 'a wonderfully considered album from an artist who was starting to seem a lot like a forgotten gem in the wake of mishandled promotion.'

wasn't Sure Thing a huge huge hit r&b chart hit? do they just mean 'indie people weren't listening until now' ?

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

his first album could be considered a commercial triumph or totally under the radar depending on what lens you're viewing it through, but yeah that way of phrasing it was pretty false.

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Thursday, 4 October 2012 13:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that's what i mean, the lens of 'what people in brooklyn/portland are listening to' is pretty reductive

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

well it could also be viewed as unsuccessful through the lens of "doesn't sell as much/cross over to pop radio as much as Usher or Chris Brown"

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

The demographics at his Howard Theatre show in DC seemed like 99% African-American (and mostly women) which is reflective of that prior inability to crossover to pop or indie

curmudgeon, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

are they not a pop audience?

Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

is this really the 2nd time this week on this board that i have to explain "pop as genre vs. pop as in 'popular'"

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Thursday, 4 October 2012 14:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Except that isn't what he was saying.

Matt DC, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

i introduced the 'pop crossover' subject to the conversation, curmudgeon continued it understanding what i meant, and jamie responded to it seemingly not understanding what i meant.

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

Right. I think Jamie and Mat may have misunderstood me. I did not think I had to break down for anyone here the difference between industry marketing terms for genre and for radio formats, or to explain that yes r'n'b songs can be considered pop in the US when they reach the Billboard chart that is labeled "pop songs' or "hot 100". If Jamie and you want to complain to Billboard that they have an "r'n'b/rap" category (yes I think they put those 2 gneres together) separate from a "pop songs" one, and that ilx has a rolling R'n'b thread that is separate from a rolling pop songs thread.

Perhaps I should have also referred back to Some Dude's Village voice piece from awhile back regarding the declining number of r'n'b songs crossing over onto the pop radio hits format

curmudgeon, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

miguel is kind of a perfect case study for that kind of thing too -- "sure thing" was billboard's #1 r&b chart song of last year, but #92 on the year-end hot 100

jaz a make wardance (some dude), Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

use me
wanna give you control
with the lights on
if I could just let go
forgive me
it's the very first time
that I'm nervous
can I trust you?
trust me
while I take this off
with the lights on
cuz it turns me on
if you're nervous
just let me show you
how to touch me
I can teach you

^^^^^^^^the realness from opposite ends in this chorus, the way he elides both. incredible

lex pretend, Friday, 5 October 2012 14:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

like a lesser song would have made that a duet but miguel makes them the same thing

lex pretend, Friday, 5 October 2012 14:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

i moved down south pretty much exactly a year ago and 'sure thing' has been on the radio consistently the entire time

Jacques_Lamure, Friday, 5 October 2012 14:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Lex otm

zEUS and Roxanne (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 5 October 2012 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 5 October 2012 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

this record is great, finally got around to it.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

The first five or six songs so is such an astonishing run of greatness.

Tim F, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

letterman tonight iirc

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

am i the only one who likes the title track? didn't see a lot of love for it.

i know a frank ocean comparison is probably boring/facile, but god listening to this highlights how restrained and lacking in variety that record was.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

The title track was the first I'm warmed to when I heard the full sequence.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah same, replayed it 3/4 times.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm still trying to figure out the comparison he makes in that song to piano keys

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

Miguel is touring, along with Elle Varner, as an opener on the upcoming Trey Songz tour (which I have mixed feelings about, b/c I really don't need to see Trey Songz three times in less than two years, especially when he's touring behind a sub-par album, plus I'd rather see Miguel headline). But it's an interesting pairing.

Evan R, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

songs like "don't look back," "use me" and "the thrill" were heavily influenced by him being on the usher/trey songz tour a few years back

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, there's way more overlap between him and those artists than most writeups of him (or even this thread) would suggest. Trey Songz has become lazy shorthand for "R&B status quo," which really doesn't do justice to some of his bolder experiments, and it's probably not a stretch to cast Kaleidoscope Dream as a much more successful/committed/realized version of what Usher was trying to do on his last album.

Evan R, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

All three artists are, to some extent, advancing or experimenting with the genre from the inside, which is a narrative that needs to be better told in the wake of last year's overstated "outsiders are reinventing R&B" thinkpieces

Evan R, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Funny – I love the Usher album, warts and all, because Miguel's EP's taught me to earlier this year.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

i haven't listened to that usher album since early summer and i think it's mostly a "pick 5 songs and delete" kind of thing

evan is right tho about narratives

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

All three artists are, to some extent, advancing or experimenting with the genre from the inside, which is a narrative that needs to be better told in the wake of last year's overstated "outsiders are reinventing R&B" thinkpieces

― Evan R, Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:39 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Please go on. I think you're right but haven't really been able to develop any rational argument around this myself. I also believe there must be another and more interesting way of framing this "r&b has gone eurotrash on us, wave goodbye" narrative that's circulating a lot right now. Just not sure what it is.

Gelados n cream (longneck), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think the Miguel/Trey/Usher thing is pretty right, for three guys whose careers all started at least 5+ years apart from each other they've all ended up at pretty similar spots at the moment that don't feel entirely due to chasing the same trends or whatever. and all 3 are pretty high caliber vocalists and radio killers, which is not so much the case w/ all of the people driving the recent thinkpiece narratives.

some dude, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

usher, really? he's always chased trends and his latest album is just trying to chase every trend at once. it's usually a good look for him.

also ahem my dawn/nina sky/miguel/wynter piece was about (almost) this exact thing

trey is not really interesting enough for me to want to cover in this narrative

lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

eh i said not 'entirely' -- usher's latest definitely has that problem for me, but if anything the whiff of desperation is stronger in his haircut than the album

some dude, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

big homie sold 69k this week

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

I also believe there must be another and more interesting way of framing this "r&b has gone eurotrash on us, wave goodbye" narrative that's circulating a lot right now. Just not sure what it is.

It's probably way to early to posit this wishful theory, but I'm beginning to wonder if the eurotrash R&B trend is on its way out. Chris Brown saw less return on his latest round of dance singles than his last round, and it's telling that Usher's "Climax" outperformed "Scream," which didn't do as well on the pop charts as Usher's previous dance singles either. (Chris Brown in particular got a lot less urban radio play for his new album than he did with his last one, so he saw diminished returns across two formats). Meanwhile, Trey Songz has had a nice singles run appealing primarily to urban formats, and Ne-Yo seems to be slowly but surely returning back to reality. I wouldn't be surprised to see all these artists trend a bit more urban and a bit less pop on their next records. But again, could be wishful thinking.

Evan R, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, a year ago Ne-Yo was saying his next album would have no dance pop, now he's saying that's 50% of the album. and also the pop single's doing better than the urban single.

some dude, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've definitely noticed EDM-pop in general getting a bit less dominant. Nothing in the style has hit #1 since January.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp Ah, didn't know Ne-Yo said it'd be 50/50. Most of the advance tracks I've heard from R.E.D. have been better than expected and decidedly urban-leaning, so I was hoping "Let Me Love You" was just a "Beautiful Monster"-ish outlier. But Tim McGraw is on the album so who the hell knows; it could be a Nelly record

Evan R, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's probably way to early to posit this wishful theory, but I'm beginning to wonder if the eurotrash R&B trend is on its way out. Chris Brown saw less return on his latest round of dance singles than his last round, and it's telling that Usher's "Climax" outperformed "Scream," which didn't do as well on the pop charts as Usher's previous dance singles either. (Chris Brown in particular got a lot less urban radio play for his new album than he did with his last one, so he saw diminished returns across two formats). Meanwhile, Trey Songz has had a nice singles run appealing primarily to urban formats, and Ne-Yo seems to be slowly but surely returning back to reality. I wouldn't be surprised to see all these artists trend a bit more urban and a bit less pop on their next records. But again, could be wishful thinking.

― Evan R, Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:34 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'll take it.

Gelados n cream (longneck), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

the Ne-Yo track on McGraw's own album is...interesting. He plays Faith Hill for all intents and purposes.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm sort of excited about that song not even in a train wreck way because the one with nelly is so fucking good

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i'm curious about it for the same reason i mostly don't mind Ne-Yo's pop stuff -- he has such a clean, adaptable vocal style that he can go outside R&B without as much inherent strain as most of his contemporaries.

some dude, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

on the McGraw album he's clearly exploiting memories of Lionel Richie-Kenny Rogers collabbs

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

didn't he write some songs for Lionel?

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

and Akon!

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 22:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

as in, Akon and Stargate were on that album (2008 or 2009?)

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah Ne-Yo is definitely cut from an MJ/Lionel Richie/Babyface type cloth where leaning pop seems to come so natural that holding him to an R&B purism standard feels pointless

some dude, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 22:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

fantastic as ever on letterman

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 05:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

yup. keeps tweaking the arrangement, too.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 07:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

one thing I've noticed that kind of sux tho, afaict he's never performed "Arch and Point" live?

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 07:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

miguel looks like he finished practicing his dance moves 5 minutes before he took stage

barthes simpson, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Great performance. Makes me want to go see him again live. Thursday night he's at that Morgan State Homecoming show in Baltimore that Some Dude mentioned: 2 Chainz, Miguel and Elle Varner

Why is the deluxe version of KD with "Gravity" and "All" added, $28.99 from Amazon US? Actually they're calling it "limited edition" so I guess that explains it.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 14:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

it will only cost 29 dollars for a limited time

la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

what song did he do - adorn?

la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Love the chain.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

I like 'Use Me' but it seems kinda out of place on the album to me. Like a Depeche Mode cover slapped bang in the middle of an r n b album.

pandemic, Thursday, 11 October 2012 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't think of "Use Me" as being an outlier in that way at all! if anything "Don't Look Back" sticks out more as not very R&B.

the D.C. grown folks R&B station, which usually only plays the occasional new joint by Maxwell or whoever amongst 70s and 80s stuff, has picked up on "Adorn"

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 16:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Funny how "Adorn" actually makes more sense on grown-folks R&B formats

Evan R, Thursday, 11 October 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm actually starting to think I might like 'Use Me' more than 'Adorn'

skeevy wonder (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 11 October 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I do.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Thursday, 11 October 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

me too

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

At least a third of the album is as much stadium rock as r&b and Use Me is especially so, but it doesn't seem particularly out of place.

I'll never be able to hear another bit of Coldplay style anthemic falsetto bluster without imagining how much better Miguel would be able to make it sound though.

Matt DC, Thursday, 11 October 2012 18:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

When he goes for "stadium rock", he goes for stadium rock in the Purple Rain sense tho, tightly wrapped up in r&b. It's not like he's trying to be Coldplay or their ilk.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

he makes stadium rock feel really intimate

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

like, just you & him in a massive stadium

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha otm!

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

When he goes for "stadium rock", he goes for stadium rock in the Purple Rain sense tho, tightly wrapped up in r&b

Oh yeah totally. The Coldplay thing was more of an aside really, like it suddenly occurred to me that Miguel would probably be the single artist most likely to take some drippy Coldplay type stadium ballad and make it amazing.

Matt DC, Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

like, just you & him in a massive stadium

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012

omg

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Purple Rain was Prince's attempt at writing a Bob Seger song.

true story

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

i ain't judgin, if you do decide that you might be fuckin tonight
more power to you if you do decide that you might be fuckin tonight

^ this lyric is kinda radical

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 04:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

+ rap/r&b station here is finally playing "Adorn" in regular rotation

- it's the Wiz remix :(

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 19 October 2012 23:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

wtf is wrong with the west coast man

some dude, Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

not as many black folk as points farther east, is what it boils down to basically

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 01:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess maybe! what's the station called?

some dude, Saturday, 20 October 2012 02:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

kube 93

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 02:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

rube 93

racewar driver (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 October 2012 02:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol

You do have to consider tho, that black people here aren't the largest group, or even the second biggest group, but the *FOURTH*, so if you have a station that only appeals to black listeners, it's not going to be successful. This wasn't a problem when rap & r&b were at the center of the pop consciousness, but now unfortunately your average white listener isn't interested in hearing a straight-up r&b song like "Adorn" and it's a victory that they're playing it at all. This is the first Miguel song they've picked up on, whereas Wiz has been a familiar presence on the station for the past couple years. I think they even gave "Say Yeah" some spins when it came out.

And it's like...Kube's top-40 sister station (also owned by Clear Channel) has gotten so whitewashed that literally their most-played song by a black artist right now ("Pound The Alarm") is number twenty-fucking-five on their playlist. So they've pretty much ceded the territory of even straight-up pop by black artists to Kube 93. Shit is depressing.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 08:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

come to the east coast

乒乓, Saturday, 20 October 2012 12:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

east coast can suck my ass thru a straw westside 4 lyfe, fool

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

we have HOT97

乒乓, Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

def don't move to the east coast but i would say maybe leave seattle

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

I kind of consider this place home and perhaps quality of radio isn't exactly my number-one determinant of where I choose to live.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've really never had any interest in living outside the SF-Vancouver coastal region tbh.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

bay area sounds alright

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bay area's great, so is Seattle. Portland and Vancouver a bit less so. I think the terrain/landscape/whatever is the number-one reason I love this region though. Even having grown up here, the beauty of the water/forest/mountains that are everywhere, even in the cities, never ceases to impress me. There are things I find frustrating about Seattle but they are relatively secondary concerns. Also my family and friends are super-important to me and very close (literally, my whole extended fam lives in my hometown of 100,000) I can't imagine living so far away that I can't see them on a whim.

How did this thread devolve into telling me where to live?

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also, the fresh air is something I absolutely could not live without. I did actually very briefly consider moving to Chicago once, until I found out it smells like onions.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

blame dayo always

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah in my first month or two of living here i felt like i couldn't breathe

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol calm down rev did I hit a sensitive spot

乒乓, Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha, possibly

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

was p awful for me last year living half an hour from detroit and even car radios had trouble picking up rap/r&b stations, wth america

乒乓, Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Really? I live 45 mins north of Seattle and can not only pick up most stations from Seattle fine but most stations from Vancouver, which is 2+ hours away.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

it always weirds me out that there are places in lower 48 where you can't hear much rap/R&B on the radio. i lived in friggin delaware for most of the '90s and could pick up a pretty good R&B station.

some dude, Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah it was weird - the detroit stations were maybe underpowered?

xp power 99 is my fav philly station

乒乓, Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, that's possible. kube's signal is so powerful that when someone tried to start a rap/r&b station in vancouver (which was actually really really good, cancon problems aside) they only lasted a couple years because all their potential listeners stuck with kube, whose signal reached all the way up there.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

do canadian rap stations just satisfy cancon requirements by playing the same amount of drake as u.s. stations now?

awful wedded wein (some dude), Saturday, 20 October 2012 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha, no idea. this station existed circa 2002-04 and I am thus possibly the most knowledgeable person about early 2000s can-hop in america

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

btw listening to "Adorn" today and trying to think of how rare it is that you hear a big R&B hit that was pretty much entirely performed, written and produced by one person (like, even The-Dream's big hits all had co-producers).

awful wedded wein (some dude), Saturday, 20 October 2012 21:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

what about Kells tho? (not to disprove you, but another example)

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

no yeah that's a good point, i was trying to think of someone with semi-recent hits who'd be relevenat to that discussion and that's totally who was on the tip of my tongue (although i've never been clear on whether R. is super hands on w/ the beat-making or always has co-producers in the mix)

awful wedded wein (some dude), Saturday, 20 October 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Marsha Ambrosius self-wrote and -produced a few tracks on her last album but they weren't the hits.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 October 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

from what I understand, Kells usually produces completely by himself but will occasionally have coproducers and for a couple projects has farmed out most of the production

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

I guess his only albums where he's done that are Untitled and to a lesser extent R.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 20 October 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

he also tends to use session musicians on some of his more lush stuff, compared to "Adorn" being just a guy programming everything. but still yeah good call w/ kells.

awful wedded wein (some dude), Saturday, 20 October 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

OHHHH

I read this thread on my phone while drunk on the night bus just now and was really confused cuz it looked like you were talking about kelis

lex pretend, Saturday, 20 October 2012 23:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

now the "i ain't talkin kelis" line from "clique" is stuck in my head

my mansplain songz (some dude), Saturday, 20 October 2012 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

was p awful for me last year living half an hour from detroit and even car radios had trouble picking up rap/r&b stations, wth america

― 乒乓, Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:33 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u live in MI?

skeevy wonder (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 21 October 2012 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

DID u live in MI? is the q I meant to ask

skeevy wonder (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 21 October 2012 03:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've lived within 45 miles of Detroit my whole life and have never had trouble picking up any of the R&B stations.

Andy K, Sunday, 21 October 2012 03:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

rev, vancouver > seattle, for real

heiswagger (rennavate), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

for chinese food, but that's about it

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

has no one discussed the full track-by-track commentary on spotify? his divergent, almost rhetorical questions are awesome, 'kaleidoscope dream' and 'candles in the sun' specifically

http://open.spotify.com/album/6VcyVQu3YmkzIWvxHVyCCB

also this album taught me how to spell kaleidoscope correctly and for that, miguel, i thank you

nose, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'd been meaning to listen to that (after generally avoiding every spotify commentary)

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 15:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

hay everybody, this album is really really good

i kinda don't like the re-do of candles in the sun, seems like it wouldn't even make sense if you didn't know the ADC version

goole, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

thank you, i was starting to feel like the only person here who sees that version as a downgrade and a bum note for the album

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i feel the same way

the rest of this album is ridiculously good though

all mods con (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

I feel equally blah about both versions. It would have been the weakest song on the album either way.

also this album taught me how to spell kaleidoscope correctly and for that, miguel, i thank you

― nose, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:10 AM Bookmark

^^^^this

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like how simple, loose and reverb-y his guitar playing is, kind of a wildcard element in the sound

goole, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought he played more guitar but "Pussy is Mine" is the only song on which no one else gets credit.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh ha, i should have hedged with "the" instead of "his" but i had assumed it was him...

goole, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

He didn't play it on "Arch & Point"?

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is insane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleidoscope_Dream#Content

goole, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

OMG

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh god. that's almost as bad as the wiki page for Kendrick's joint.

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

the version of the album i downloaded has these really loud rave synths all over and are all tagged "remixed by sh0rty" :-(

flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol gross

I don't think anyone has mentioned this but I love how much tape hiss there is on "Arch & Point"

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

He didn't play it on "Arch & Point"?

― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, October 30, 201

I thought he did :(

Ace job putting his fingers on the right frets though.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

xposts YOLO imagery! wut

Roz, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've been kind of disappointed to see that he doesn't seem to play that song live at all. :(

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

it does seem like it should be a live staple, doesn't it

strangely heartened to see that miggy has warranted some obsessive wiki attention

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

It transitions into the rock song "Arch & Point", which has lascivious lyrics,[30] sexually-charged ballet metaphors,[22] bare power pop elements,[6] plopping percussion, and an acoustic guitar coda.[17]

#plop

goole, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

sexually charged plopping

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

bare power plot elements

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

dammit

bare power plop elements

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

See Also:
PBR&B

MarkoP, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

I feel equally blah about both versions. It would have been the weakest song on the album either way.

also this album taught me how to spell kaleidoscope correctly and for that, miguel, i thank you

― nose, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:10 AM Bookmark

^^^^this

― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My least favorite song is "Where's the Fun in Forever?" by far. I actually kind of like teh album version of "Candles in the Sun" better than the ADC version, the album version is appropriately rejigged as an Album Closer that works really well, throbs with this "important statement" vibe that isn't in-your-face or preachy, also I really like the hazier feel, and those drum fills when he says "heros often get SHOT" are amazing.

king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

i also think the john lennon interview at the end of the adc is a little obvious

king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

strong yolo imagery in beyond good & evil

ogmor, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

My least favorite song is Pussy Is Mine. It just feels a bit cheap, jokes and all.

O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^ Yeah, I've started to skip it tbh.

Some people have grafittied YOLO on walls.[3][4] It has become a popular Twitter hashtag.[5] Some youth have said that it is their motto,[6][7]

In a news article, the reporter compared the phrase YOLO to Yolo County California.[20]

Well, ILE be damned! (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

i love "where's the fun in forever?", it feels so low-key and detached without actually losing its anthemic qualities. vocal arrangements are awesome, so's the steam-train rhythm and i the bit where the bass drops out and alicia and the handclaps come in >>>>>>>>

"pussy is mine" works oddly well as a tossed-off trifle at that point in the album, hard to hate. i guess "adorn" really is my least favourite on the album

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol shine on you stubborn diamond

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Where's the fun..." is great imo, in my top 5 on the album

Well, ILE be damned! (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

"The Thrill" is the one I skip.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

if i skip any it's "use me" & "don't look back" cuz sometimes i'm not in the mood for bombastic stadium rock

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

half the album is bombastic stadium rock tho.

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

"use me" is amazing and not really very bombastic imo

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

i NEVER skip "use me"

if i'm not in the mood for "use me" and "do you..." i'm not in the mood for miguel, or life, or anything - those two are THE songs on the album for me

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh i agree that "use me" is one of the very best songs on the album, sometimes i don't feel like hearing it tho

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

half the album is bombastic stadium rock tho.

― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:13 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark

this... isn't true

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Use Me" is the record's most purely immmersive sound experience imo.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah add "how many drinks?" to those two for me, lex, and i'd agree with you

and "arch and point"

king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

his falsetto on "use me" is just...vertiginous

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

love the tangent about "bohemian rhapsody" indirectly inspiring "where's the fun" in the spotify commentary

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

only skippers are "where's the fun" and "candles in the sun", and even the latter i can't muster up much hate for. for shame at skipping "thrill"!

all mods con (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

when i cherrypick from this album it's usually

don't look back > use me > do you... > where's the fun in forever? > arch & point > ...all > gravity

"kaleidoscope dream" and "the thrill" are the ones that hit the spot when i'm in the mood, but i'm not always in the mood

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

"where's the fun" in forever is def the one song that seemed slight to me first few times around that i now thing is 10/10

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

From "Use Me" through to "Arch & Point" defines the album for me, I often only listen to that sequence on repeat.

Well, ILE be damned! (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

i wouldn't say "bombastic" but i do think the more desperate/cathartic/blood'n'guts miguel gets on this album, the better

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Had been thinking "Adorn" might have a good shot at EOY glory but it seems like everyone has their own personal favourite Miguel song.

Well, ILE be damned! (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Kaleidoscope Dream" has an insinuating chorus -- a real earworm. I'll catch myself singing it in the kitchen and shit.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

no "adorn" will do pretty well

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

this... isn't true

― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:14 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Don't Look Back", "Use Me", "The Thrill", and "Arch & Point" totally are, and even "Where's The Fun In Forever" and "Candles In The Sun" lean in that direction for at least part of their durations

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Arch & Point" will always be my favorite: sexually-charged ballet metaphors, bare power pop elements, plopping percussion, and guitar coda.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, it's seemed obv for a while that "Adorn" has a good chance of topping the 77 this year.

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Let's do it right this EOY season.

Tim F, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

if i was gonna try and get an alternative-to-adorn camp going i'd think "do you..." had the best chance

not that i'd vote for any track on this even if i liked "adorn"

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

this... isn't true

― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:14 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Don't Look Back", "Use Me", "The Thrill", and "Arch & Point" totally are, and even "Where's The Fun In Forever" and "Candles In The Sun" lean in that direction for at least part of their durations

― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:20 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If they're bombastic stadium rock, they certainly don't sound like anyone else's bomstadrock.

Well, ILE be damned! (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think for me it's like... Adorn > A&P > Do You > Use Me > The Thrill > Where's The Fun > KD > Don't Look Back > PIM > How Many Drinks > Candles

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

If you're talking about the ILX poll then Adorn has as good a chance as any - he went top 10, possibly top 5, last year and his profile is higher now. Also 2012 has been kinda low on big unifying singles, Call Me Maybe notwithstanding.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bombastardtock

Tim F, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

sounds like a late nineties Chem Bros track.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

not that i'd vote for any track on this even if i liked "adorn"

― lex pretend, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:22 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Now I know why Kanyetothe made a thread about Lex

O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

If they're bombastic stadium rock, they certainly don't sound like anyone else's bomstadrock.

― Well, ILE be damned! (seandalai), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:24 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I dunno, it's all pretty Purple Rain as mentioned upthread (which is good! usually when people "sound like Prince" that's not the Prince they rip off), but not slavishly

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm not really sure the bass bumps in Adorn really fit the song and sound totally out of place in the context of the rest of the album but the songwriting and the performance and everything else about the track are straight 10/10 so it barely matters.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

adorn definitely could win ilx this year. adorn, call me maybe, inspector norse and... idk what else, seems like a pretty weak year

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Prince might be bombastic and stadium and rock but I wouldn't call him "bombastic stadium rock". The distinction makes sense in my head at least.

Well, ILE be damned! (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah I think it'll come down to Adorn vs CMM. Gangnam Style will take a lot of punters' money but won't get the votes. I'm probably missing something obvious though.

Well, ILE be damned! (seandalai), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

it wouldn't be the same at all with out that big synth bass xxp

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah "Sure Thing" was #6 on our poll last year (and only #68 on P&J, the fuckers)

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

(Looooooooooooooooove Sooooooooooooooooooosa)

O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

which dawn single is going to get ilx traction? "pretty wicked things" i presume

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

obv in a just world "pretty wicked things" would have had the real-world impact that "adorn" did but oh well

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

If I vote for a Dawn track it will be "Black Lipstick"

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't really rate "Pretty Wicked Things"

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

;_;

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

nicki is going to suffer from vote-splitting too :(

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Automatic," "Black Lipstick," or "Scripture" for me.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I dunno, it seems like it's trying to do too much with too little xxp

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

it does a huge amount with a huge amount

i won't vote for any armor on song because i'll vote for armor on, so...

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

If they're bombastic stadium rock, they certainly don't sound like anyone else's bomstadrock.

They do and they don't, I mean the vocals and most of the songwriting are't but the guitar tones and the general ambience feel like pure 00s stadium rock, hence me mentioning Coldplay upthread. I mean that's fine, the guitar sounds and general ambience are usually the best thing about those records, it's just everything else that blows so well done Miguel for finding an acceptable context for them.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

I prefer "86" as far as songs from the upcoming album go

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

it does a huge amount with a huge amount

i won't vote for any armor on song because i'll vote for armor on, so...

― lex pretend, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what's with the radicalization on this issue? i generally think the shipley doctrine is a good one but it doesn't apply iirc to huge singles (like adorn as you mentioned before, not really the case with dawn)

all mods con (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

don't really get the purple rain comparisons either

all mods con (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not trying to troll, b/c I know this is sacred around here, but has Armor On lost some of its luster for anyone else? (uh, asking for a friend...)

Evan R, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's a question of approach not actual sound, I mean I can't imagine Prince recording anything like this album. But Miguel's found a way of making modern stadium rock work with modern R&B that's similar to what Purple Rain managed for the 80s.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not trying to troll, b/c I know this is sacred around here, but has Armor On lost some of its luster for anyone else?

NO

AOTY unhesitatingly and still ridiculously far ahead of everything else

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

MDC otm

thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

is dawn gonna place in the singles? "faith" would be my one vote

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

nicki is going to suffer from vote-splitting too :(

― lex pretend, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:36 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if there's one thing nicki doesn't suffer from in 2012 it's too many good songs

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's faded for me -- the space in the arrangements which sounded novel in June now sounds like a way to hide a couple unfinished songs -- but no so's it would leave my top twenty.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

i haven't listened to it in a long time... i should revisit

i'll def have "stupid hoe" pretty high

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not trying to troll, b/c I know this is sacred around here, but has Armor On lost some of its luster for anyone else? (uh, asking for a friend...)

― Evan R, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it's cool but at this point i'm more interested in seeing what the new one does

Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

nicki's best moments in 2012 hit the sweet spot of being great public pop AND great personal favourites that i ended up playing on loop - i could legit vote for "stupid hoe", "starships" (YES) and "the boys" if it wasn't for my one-track-per-artist rule

lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Gun Shot >>> everything else.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not to make this a nicki thread but I remain upset that gunshot never became a huge summer single.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

posted a photo on instagram tonight of him in the studio with beyonce