Rolling Dance Partisans 2012

cos i really think people should hear this forthcoming Scuba single. Album in February
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mDdP82eBLM

Sweet. Kinda like that Scuba track, I've mostly been lol'ing at the headlines about his new album tho: 'Scuba gets a Personality on new album' etc...

Can't stop playing Young Echo and Dro Carey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJifYCdmzog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tUUMrq3bxE

Oh and this has been in my head for about a month...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgL_DCdGAOk

It's his Pet Shop Boys album! apparently

Amazing.

I did enjoy his last one. He's a strange one mind. I only tend to play the odd track of his in sets but still really like his albums. I just wouldn't go near a lot of it when DJing. Kinda feel that way with quite a bit Hotflush stuff for some reason.

Yeah, he's been saying in interviews how he's making stuff to play out more. Kinda blurring the lines between Scuba and SCB

I heard Scuba drop that about a month and a half ago and was wondering what it was! I for one look welcome a big-room trance Scuba album, the potential hugeness of the idea is just...

SR Mix #114: Peverelist [Punch Drunk/Livity Sound]

Szare – Triplicate [Horizontal Ground]
Asusu – Too Much Time Has Passed [Livity Sound]
Levon Vincent – Revs/cost [Novel Sound]
Bass Clef – Electricity Comes From Other Planets
Funkineven – Beat Crash [Apron]
Kowton – Jam001
Alex Coulton – Bounce
Kowton & Pev – Raw Code
Kowton – End Point
Pev – Salt Water
Asusu – Sister [Livity Sound]
Pev – Erosion(s)
Pev – Livity
Zhou – Noboru [Punch Drunk]

http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/01/sr-mix-114-peverelist-punch-drunklivity-sound/

Non Person made a solid comeback.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vh4wna3Tpk

His pay what you like album is all kinds of vibes.

http://1-0-8.bandcamp.com/

It's good to have Guido back.

http://www.factmag.com/2012/01/09/guido-launches-new-label-readies-live-show/

I still play Anidea pretty regular.

I've been sent some really lovely African deep house by a guy called DJ Tsoro. Can't find much on YouTube, but it's bloody lovely.

New Guido sounds great. Intrigued by the live band angle

Can't stop playing You Make Me Feel by Terror Danjah & Meleka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soB0Puv7gwg

He's got another track on the way with Ruby Lee Ryder on Butterz in the near future too, looking forward to hearing that.

i was feeling this guy's stuff yesterday:

http://soundcloud.com/konductorslab

i did this footwork-y remix that'll be out later this year, here's the lo-fi radio rip version

This is all kinds of overblown fun

DJ Marfox

http://www.rubadub.co.uk/music/dubstep-garage-funky/eu-seiquem-sou-ep

Bene playing this mixes recently

SR Mix #115: Jim-E Stack [Good Years]
http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/01/sr-mix-115-jim-e-stack-good-years/

Kuedo's Sinking in the Datatank Mix
http://www.mottodistribution.com/site/?p=20005

Brey
http://redbull.co.uk/cs/Satellite/en_UK/Article/Introducing--Brey-021243141423544

Fade To Mind
http://www.thefader.com/2012/01/06/download-fade-to-minds-fader-mix/#ixzz1jG5ni2sB

Gerry Read has been on one recently, really into his 12"s on Fourth Wave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLiurW7pTHo

Wicked mix here too: http://www.xlr8r.com/podcast/2012/01/gerry-read

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjDlL9f3VY

DJ Q Brandy & Coke on the way out on Local Action in the near future. Can't wait.

Guido has some quality free bits on his soundcloud right now: http://soundcloud.com/guidoproductions/ U Neeq & Green Carpet espesh.

If you're into your lowkey beat tape stuff.

http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/01/srr001-torus-torus-ep/

love it

you know, i don't know if i've ever seen a Mexicans With Guns mention on ilm, but Ceremony is super dope.

If you're into your lowkey beat tape stuff.

You mean witch house? Heh. Sounds great, I look forward to the release.

Kuedo's Sinking in the Datatank Mix

I expected this mix to be really rewarding to me but I'm just not feeling it. Track selection is fairly 'meh', aside from the obvious selections, and the mixing didn't really add anything.

The Palace tune(s?) upthread is outstanding though. I never really get out anymore, but at least I can imagine what it would sound like on a proper system.

That Kuedo mix is very mellow compared to some of his bits but then it is meant for a bookshop. His Fact mix from last year was maybe my favourite: http://www.factmag.com/2011/10/03/fact-mix-288-kuedo/

Photonz has another carnival sized rave banger on the way soon:

http://youtu.be/Dn6IjG1HT-k

Really into his 12" on Principle that already dropped this year.

You mean witch house

uh

lol don't worry I think it was a joke ;)

Glad people are feeling the Torus bits so far, we've had some good feedback so far. You can't beat some mellow beats once in a while.

mellow beats 4ever

NO JOKE, man. Witch house is nothing to laugh about.

But seriously, isn't Balam Acab/Clams Casino sometimes considered 'witch house'? The Torus doesn't sound that far off, and I mean that in a good way.

Balam Acab is too pretty to be witch house. Clams Casino is cloud rap without the rap.

Nah Balam Acab kinda got unearthed by witch house heads but I don't ever feel like he was witch house. He wasn't very gothic or dark he just shared a spaced out vibe and appeared at the same time. Clams Casino is just a hip-hop space cadet.

Oh yeah OP 'The Hope' by Scuba is on the way pretty soon it seems, since I just got the promo thru my inbox while typing the last message.

Cool. Just checked and it's up on the Hotflush soundcloud now
http://soundcloud.com/hotflush/scuba-the-hope-flash-addict

the Machinedrum track that Azealia Banks stole for her latest buzz track just came out and is a lot better without her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW_otIHM36w

well she didn't "steal" it but i agree

Yeah well thats a no brainer.

In other news Guido has some sweet tracks up for free DL on his soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/guidoproductions/

MikeQ's 12" on Fade To Mind is insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Lm630R_8Q

Mala is on one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSLPxa9suME

Gerry REad gets housey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcENZkI8Y6o

lol didn't mean literally "stole", should have thought a little before writing that

lol I think we got what you mean. She rapped on it. Do you reckon she'll do a mixtape before an album? Where we get to hear Lone and Machinedrum bringing the hype before her album is nowt but Diplo impressions... I'd kinda like that, I mean she'd at least get Lone & Machinedrum tracks out there to the odd geek who looks at the production notes who hasn't heard them before.

Accccccccccccciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGgmDTANdfw

The 3 Gerry Read 12s on Fourth Wave have been really good. I think my fave one is "Untitled" from the first one. That and the Lorca remix I'm playing a lot. Lorca's Moments is just lovely anyway.

Photonz has another carnival sized rave banger on the way soon:

http://youtu.be/Dn6IjG1HT-k

Really into his 12" on Principle that already dropped this year.

― jimitheexploder

^^ true that. remarkable launch for Principe (portuguese for prince, fyi). the dj marfox 12" (eu sei quem sou) it's kuduro at its finest...

on a side note : you should really listen to sangue de cristo (photonz + tiago). a little more on the balearic side of things, but great notwithstanding.

Nah Balam Acab kinda got unearthed by witch house heads but I don't ever feel like he was witch house. He wasn't very gothic or dark he just shared a spaced out vibe and appeared at the same time.

the only thing you can call him on are the super stock 808 drum sounds. but he's on some other shit with his vocal samples & structures, wander/wonder was really pretty and underrated.

i hear that torus stuff as being part of the shlohmo/lapalux/beat scene tip.

Yeah Torus to us at least is on that beat scene tip. SR have always been into that vibe.

I rally need to dig into Photonz and those guys more. the DJ Marfox 12" has hardly been off my turn table since I got it. Big up on the suggestions Rusty.

oh yeah, meant to say i'm utterly addicted to Terror Danjah's "You Make Me Feel". Pity it seemed to get lost in the end of year shuffle

Oh yeah while we're on about witch house lol

Vessel from the Young Echo crew is on Tri Angle.

http://soundcloud.com/tri_angle_records/scarletta

This is a percy mind...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSGqXnBFqYg

LiL ♎ JaBBA

http://soundcloud.com/lil-jabba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRuYOmTsux8

Mickey is a badman.

Total Freedom kinda bangs in that Kingdom, Fade To Mind, Nguzunuguzu, Night Slugs way this mix is pretty sweet: http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2012/01/listen-total-freedoms-opening-ce

GERRY READ! favourite new music of 2012 so far - that photonz track really good too - loved Aquarian Ball from a few year ago but had always sort of assumed it was a total one off

wow, this is bangin, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsgNZZ6nggk

oh yeah, meant to say i'm utterly addicted to Terror Danjah's "You Make Me Feel".

i quite like it but it's kind of lol how terror danjah gave a 5-year-old track to hyperdub. it was originally on this comp

the carmen reece 'hey lover' mj cole remix on that is such a classic

Been quite enjoying this remix of Redlight's Get Out My Head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCtPcDQuAVg

Yeah I kinda like that.

Guido stuck it in his fact mix the other day too: http://www.factmag.com/2012/01/30/fact-mix-314-guido/

Well nice, can't get enough Guido.

I didn't know that Terror track was an oldie, I never coped that comp. It deserves another outing to be fair.

that Joker remix is so out there. i like all the individual pieces, might need to listen to it a few more times to see if they all fit together

looks like shadowy youtube enigma Evian Christ has signed to (surprise) Tri Angle
http://soundcloud.com/tri_angle_records/sets

Tri Angle are really hit'n'miss. They do have a way with hype tho. So its no suprise they signed Evian Christ and Vessel recently. Vessel is the hit...

I love this remix. Feels like an early contender for 'best of 2012.' Great male vocal bout phones and so forth w very cool sample work and bassline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_o6C_b5bYo

Today I'm mostly hyped for...

Gremino on Fade To Mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-I_Et15dI

This mix from Mickey Pearce

http://www.mixcloud.com/MaryAnneHobbs/mickey-pearce-mix-xfm-280112/#utm_source=widget&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=flash_links

Randomer on Hemlock

http://soundcloud.com/stholdings/randomer-scruff-box-get

& news of a Royal T album on Rinse.

Any impressions on the new Preditah EP? I like some of the sounds so far, but it's a bit uneventful for me.

"Circles" is the best of the bunch, I'd say.

Circles is a banger, been waiting an age for that to hit wax.

Objekt Cactus just dropped, it's a big'un.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79RqvhfxeCA

I heard Livity Sound Live this weekend w/ Peverelist, Kowton & Asusu. It was something else. Picked up Livity Sound #003 by Pev from Idle Hands too: http://hardwax.com/65112/ love it.

This one is pretty rude.

http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/02/p-jam-sonic-router-x-uncle-albert-mix/

full stream of Scuba's Personality
http://soundcloud.com/hotflush/sets/scuba-personality

finding "cactus" sort of a bitch to mix with, not sure what i'm doing wrong here. is it just me or is the last third totally wonky?

also why is livity sound vinyl-only, why peverelist, why

just listened to "cactus", pretty dope. it's really syncopated but it's all quantized + in time. i can imagine it would be hard to beatmatch with though.

it's in time but i think it adds a tiny rest at each drop so you can't just step away from it.

but yeah, what i meant was that i find the syncopation really hard to deal with, the first drop sounds pretty good with whatever (i like it under 4x4) but the two sections after don't. but then heavily swung stuff (like trad dubstep) also sounds weird in those two sections, i have to mix it like a 1/4 or 1/2-beat off and even then it sounds weird.

maybe it's because the last two sections have that syncopated kick that anticipates beat 4, i could see that getting muddy over 4-on-the-floor.

scuba lp is beautiful

Been enjoying this Skeng-style track from Hitchin local boy Skeptical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ydQ-qPD324

I guess here's as good a place to ask as any - Is drum'n'bass dead in the water, or what? I'm always hearing about other styles of bass music these days, and hardly ever d'n'b, so I assume there isn't a lot happening any more, but there must be, right?

footwork is the new d&b iirc

d&b seems to be valued as an influence or element these days, but not as a genre

i guess i heard some stuff last year about dbridge/instra:mental and the "drum & bass revival", but the tracks i checked out were really boring.

the instra:mental album was more 4/4 oriented too. and very boring.

Hospital Records nights round my way get more ppl in than any other dance events I can think of

This is the thing, because round my way I hear of a lot of d'n'b (and garage) nights, and they seem ever-popular, but it's not something I read about much on RDP or on the "trendier" part of the web.

Been feeling these mixes today...

MikeQ Fact Mix #318
http://www.factmag.com/2012/02/27/fact-mix-318-mikeq/

Gremino Showcase Mix for Blackdown
http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2012/02/gremino-showcase-mix.html

Champion Xlr8r Mix #236
http://www.xlr8r.com/podcast/2012/02/champion

Some tracks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO-I_Et15dI

http://soundcloud.com/brey/brey-brasil-ep-sampler

Thats not related to the d'n'b Q mind, I really have no idea whats going on over that way bar the odd Non Plus+ or Jack Sparrow diversion to higher tempos. Rockwell & Untold did a track last year which wasn't bad: http://soundcloud.com/critical-music/rockwell-v-untold-rekohu-sunrise

i was going to say, drum and bass still seems really popular, given that every third or fourth fabric mix is still a drum and bass mix, but i haven't heard very much interesting stuff at the traditional 160 bpm tempo aside from ROCKWELL, who basically just sounds like an update on the classic certificate 18 steel-edged roller sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeYe2hhY-5w&feature=relmfu

d&b seems to be valued as an influence or element these days, but not as a genre

― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:04 AM Bookmark

Yeah, this seems about right. Of course, dnb nights are still popular, but it hasn't really been considered on the cutting edge for about 15 years now. I did like the Rockwell EP from last year. I think getting away from the Amen break and taking influence from juke was a good look for him. I'm not really familiar with his background though.

I don't go to dnb nights, is it usually an older crowd there?

last year (or maybe even longer ago) i heard some new track that was based on uptempo live breaks and had this huge synth build, it sounded really fresh. i can remember what it sounds like but don't have the slightest clue who it was. almost want to say FaltyDL but i don't think that's right.

That Objekt track is a mad one to mix yeah. Its just swung, broken and fuck'd tho. Its all on one tempo and all that. You just have to catch it right.

In other news...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pm2DK4kLH8

Coki is still insane.

http://soundcloud.com/djrashadteklife/rashad-spinn-we-trippy-mane-12

i really can't wait to hear the footwork/shangaan remixes.

This is killing me: the song featured in last week's Dusk & Blackdown Rinse mix that samples The Breakfast Club - "Well, if you say you haven't, you're a prude. If you say you have you're a slut. It's a trap. You want to but you can't, and when you do you wish you didn't, right?" Anybody? Thanks.

I'm really enjoying that Scuba album but it seems to be pandering directly to the people who claimed dubstep was really just nu-skool breaks all along, the whole thing is so late 90s I keep expecting it to come with a subscription to Jockey Slut. Very enjoyable though.

i don't dislike the scuba album (certainly not as much as some seem to) but it's like, i heard and loved better big-room electrohouse the first time round so ehhhh

It feels more 90s maximalism than big room electrohouse to me, although that was borrowing pretty heavily from 90s maximalist crossover dance in the first place.

I've only heard 'Hope', and yeah I love it. I don't really care whether it's dubstep or whatever. It does have a bit of an Underworld (not sure, someone like that?) vibe, but I don't see it as a bad thing.

I was actually popping my head in to say that Burial's 'Kindred' was quietly soundtracking my weekend and boy, I'm pretty sure it's the most affecting thing he's ever done.

Scuba album is bad. Came at it overflowing with good faith but its done nothing for me. Prog breaks were manky in 2001, i dont want a rewind. Doesnt even have the production values that made some of it bearable.

i've never been too crazy about scuba - that album cover screams disaster, though. cross-reference with:

http://www.ifmusic.co.uk/images/product_images/guycelledgeraldtoallthings.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JX2EeGMrL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

i don't even really like his mixes that much - the ostgut ton one is too subtle and grey, the dj kicks is somehow simultaneously hectic and bland, like "de9: closer to the edit" for the dubstep set

those first tracks, like "harpoon", were sort of brilliant in the pre-"midnight request line" era but since then it's been a whole lot of meh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDwKdRK9xCQ&feature=related

^^ this is what the new scuba sounds like to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrbptoCyhq0&feature=related

^^ lol even better

i mean he's not quite there yet with the acoustic guitar and the vocalists but give him time

ha. speaking of guitar, i'm glad to see some airhead stuff is getting released: http://www.randsrecords.com/airhead/wait-south-congress

although it's kind of weird/interesting that 'wait' is being presented as a regular track rather than a yeah yeah yeahs remix?

last year (or maybe even longer ago) i heard some new track that was based on uptempo live breaks and had this huge synth build, it sounded really fresh. i can remember what it sounds like but don't have the slightest clue who it was. almost want to say FaltyDL but i don't think that's right.

btw i think this might have been egyptrixx? still can't find the track though, so who knows.

Need some more big n bassy recommendations please. Basically the only music hitting the spot for me recently is stuff like Blawan, Kromestar, Burial, that Dub Phizix & Skeptical track I put up here earlier, Mala's recent one...

Would I liek the DVA album?

The DVA album suprised me, I wasn't expecting it to be as good as it is. Some killer stuff on there. There is a stream of it going around: http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2012/03/stream-dvas-forthcoming-album if you want a listen. Loads of nice vocal tracks.

I've been playing Brey a lot

http://vimeo.com/37531768

If you want something on that Blawan tip go for the last 12" on Punch Drunk by Tessela: http://punchdrunkmusic.com/products-page/featured-products/tessela-d-jane-channel-punch-drunk-12-free-mp3/ kinda like where Blawan left off with Fram/Iddy. Man I really wanna hear more of that from Blawan.

How about some Akkord for that deep vibe: http://soundcloud.com/akkordmusik/akkord001

New LHF EP just dropped an its quality, hold tight for the album its fucking brilliant.

I seem to be the only person on earth who likes that Photek album more than his jungle tracks.

Everybody knows that Scuba started out making breaks as Spectr right? It shouldn't come as a huge surprise that he's heading back that direction, his earliest mixes were all breaks mixed with dubstep back when Distance was writing his best stuff. I don't know, I like some of the Bristol breaks crew like 30hz and Baobinga. And I miss Toastyboy. Ils had his moments too.

Wish he'd try for something like those guys if he's going to head back into big room territory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN2azh0tM6E

Specifically he should be trying to sound like this.

Actually the Scuba album mostly just sounds like the Chemical Brothers. Or more to the point it sounds like the not-very-sure-footed albums that people like Paul Woolford would make in the mid-00s that ended up sounding like the Chemical Brothers. The Scuba record is better than that though, with the exception of the dnb track.

xxpost wait does that mean he's responsible for Spectr's "Dance 4 Me"? Because that's one of my absolute favourite tunes of the year...

He should make an entire album of stuff like that.

Yeah he did that one. Shame he doesn't go in that direction more often really.

Can't get into the new album at all it just gives me bad flashbacks to progy/electro/nu-skool breakz from my youth.

On another note...

Presk has been killing it of late, looking forward to this: http://soundcloud.com/presk/4th005-a-hesitate / http://soundcloud.com/presk/4th005-b-kook

i really like the single ("eye know") off the DVA record, is it all that r&b-ish?

(can't listen to the stream at work)

moratorium on tweaked vocal samples please

that was re: "dance 4 me"

i always wondered what shed was on about when he publicly dissed scuba on LWE but now i think i know what he was getting at

Have you ever played at Sub:stance?

No!

You think that wouldn’t work either?

Scuba is not… I’m waiting for a offer! He’s not asking me [all laugh]. I have to talk to him. I would love to play there.

Well he recently played as SCB at Panorama Bar, and based on the recording I imagine it’s what you might sound like DJing.

I don’t like it at all. This SCB. Some dubstep guys can’t make techno music. It’s impossible. And here’s an example. It’s not very good. The same way when house producers want to make dubstep, it’s impossible.

Guess he's still waiting for that offer

listening to DVA clips, forgot i already heard and like 'madness' and 'where i belong'. digging all the triplet feels. points off for calling your 5/4 for song "the big five" though.

Scuba is not… I’m waiting for a offer! He’s not asking me [all laugh]. I have to talk to him.

i inferred from this sentence that the antipathy predated the interview, which is why everyone laughed

moratorium on tweaked vocal samples please

― the late great, Friday, March 9, 2012 6:13 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that was re: "dance 4 me"

I agree with this general principle but (a) I think the track is about 2 years old actually (lol uk funky rips being even more of an outdated move for post-dubstep types than R&B cut-ups); and (b) what it does with the vocal really reflects that, it's coming from (aping?) a slightly different tradition.

i was really disappointed with the DVA album, had always been a big fan of his stuff (and his general aesthetic) but the album didn't seem to reflect it in any compelling way. i suspect people who care about complex rhythms might like it but i got bored. if you're gonna get vocalists that's a good move but maybe think of some hooks for them to sing.

It's never just about "complex rhythms" though. The problem with the DVA album is he misunderstands this, thinks making things as contorted as possible (less rhythmically than melodically, actually) is a noble end in itself. As a result there is no real tension to the grooves.

What are you both talking about? If you actually think its particularly rhythmically or melodically complex in a detracting way, then you are listening to another record. What is great about this record is the fact that the dissonance or diff time signatures never interfere with the functionality of the tracks at all.

And Lex, there are loads of hooks in the vocals. Perhaps not the pop ones you might like, but its clearly not aiming at that, is it?

It doesn't get much vocal hookier than 'What You Do' if that's what you're after. The rest don't rely purely on a repeated chorus to be hooky. I find myself singing along to the verses of Eye Know and the Zaki track as much as the chorus. I assume that is not a crime? Of the dancefloor tracks, there is none where it's rhythmically awkward, unless you are a rusty robot, or like metronomes. I think all the vocal tracks with the dissonant synths actually work really well. Its a really poised bitter/sweet balance. But if this is your idea of 'making things as contorted as possible' then there is probably no point discussing this any further, as we are on different aesthetic planets. Half of the DVA album probably belongs in that psych r&b thread.

The Zaki track is possibly my favourite. I actually quite like several of the tracks but as an album it seems like DVA has taken his starting polemic ("pretty ugly") and become so wrapped up in it that he loses sight of how and why complexity / dissonance etc. can work - which is that they imply the sense of order and functionalism that they don't exhibit openly. The problem is not that the rhythms / melodies / etc are "too difficult", it's that they're so impressed with their deviation from the norm that they only-occasionally invest any energy in thinking about how those deviations nonetheless can hit targets (i.e. actually grooving, for one). In fact the actual uk funky rhythms on the album aren't terribly complex (though I'm not saying they're too simple - they just don't feel like the focus). The exception that proves the rule is the excellent beat on "33rd Degree".

The fact that the album sounds so much like a broken beat album (DKD being closest I think) updated with Dilla/Flying Louts/Floating Point synths just underscores this, I think; my above argument is, if anything, even more true (or more obviously so) for broken beat than for funky. I'd love if the album had a more energetic tune that was as charming as "Future Rage".

"Why You Do" may have hooks but it's incredibly slight (deliberately so, I suspect). Though its lyrics are kind of lol in the way they literalise the album's sonic and thematic concerns.

I agree that the record owes more to broken beat side of uk funky than anything else, although I do think the idea that some of the tracks "are so impressed with their deviation" is a projection on your part that I don't hear in the music at all. Its strength it seems to me is that it exactly doesn't share that "impressed with itself"-ness of broken beat. I think he hits a great balance on the songs of teasing the vocals with the synths while not detracting from them. I agree 'Why You Do' is lol, but the chorus is totally infectious, even if the music itself isn't. My least favourite tracks are the more upbeat ones that don't hit as hard as some of his singles.

hahah well of course these are "projections" on my part, it's my interpretation of the music.

I'm not pretending i've got stone tablets from mount sinai with all this written on them.

Teeth - Vibrate

http://soundcloud.com/sgnlf/teeth-vibrate

Is coming out: http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/03/signal-life-on-the-lookout-for-some-unorthodox-shit/

Been waiting a while for that one.

^ I like that a lot

"flying louts"

i like the kick/snare conversation on those signal life tracks, but the way the vocal samples are deployed seems kinda corny? it gives me an '80s electro vibe, maybe they're going for that.

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hahah well of course these are "projections" on my part, it's my interpretation of the music.

I'm not pretending i've got stone tablets from mount sinai with all this written on them.

― Tim F, Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:11 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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I know, what I meant was that you were projecting your own self-impressedness with your own interpretation onto to his music.

That allegation makes sense if you're saying I'm a habitually self-impressed person who assumes everyone else is like me. Is that what you're saying?

That allegation makes sense if you're saying I'm a habitually self-impressed person who assumes everyone else is like me

well, you do write music reviews and post to ILM

j/k

well, you do write music reviews and post to ILM

― the late great, Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:18 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

It wasn't an allegation Tim. We're not in court. Just thought you were wrong, and over-injecting your own baggage.

xpost no quite seriously it's both the most logical and potentially-correct spin I can put on it.

OTOH I'm not sure how it accounts for all the times I've been quite self-impressed with my take on something and not projected it onto the music at hand.

At any rate my use of the word "impressed" was maybe misleading anyway. It's not so much that the DVA album sounds smug or self-satisfied to me (if anything, DVA as an artist strikes me as restless, impatient, quick to grow bored with his past ideas - perhaps too much so, even); more that several of its "targets" are targets which I think have been improperly framed - as if these songs are the correct answers to the wrong questions.

Josephine said upthread that "Half of the DVA album probably belongs in that psych r&b thread." I agree with this obv and I wonder if people's reactions to the stuff on that thread provide a good guide to their likely reactions to this album and vice versa; when I think of the avant-R&B stuff that I like most (Kings, Me'Shell, Quadron, etc.) it's stuff that doesn't really go to great lengths to emphasise its unusualness or "avant"-ness or etc but instead uses its disparate sonic influences and ideas as yet another means of expressing more typical notions of beauty, groove, lushness etc. etc. - similar to how, say, Timbaland's classic work may have been startling and engrossing but rarely difficult-to-love. I guess I like stuff to sound a little bit effortless, even if it's clear that a lot of skill and accomplishment has gone into it. Whereas the DVA album sounds to me like it's tense-with-effort.

And (sigh) as usual my curiosity re what someone is trying to say is portrayed as hyper-defensive, hyper-pendantic, hyper-legalistic... This grates a bit, because I think I tend to react to personal jabs quite reasonably. But whatever.

i don't really understand the difference between a pop hook and a non-pop hook.

Phrased as an "either/or", I'd agree.

However, I think it's not too controversial to say that different things register as "hooks" in different contexts - like, to use an extreme example, a hook in a gabba track might be the kind of thing you'd never deploy in a pop song (though in a post-Guetta world even that may no longer be true).

More subtly, e.g, certain tricks in an R&B tune "work" better if you approach with an R&B frame of reference rather than a pop one. But it's not like as listeners we really consciously change hats in this fashion very often. It's more easily discerned in e.g. how many popjustice types consistently fail to get certain R&B. Their problem, obv.

In the case of DVA, I personally don't think saying the hooks are non-pop really explains away their lack of purchase - the Vikter Duplaix track, for example, works like a Vikter Duplaix track, but doesn't hit me nearly so hard as "Manhood" or "Messages" or "Looking For Love". It's not really the case that those tunes have "pop" hooks whereas "Madness" has another kind of hook; they're just better songs, is all.

a hook is a hook

in lots of pop songs the real hook is an instrumental thing or a sound

this thread is getting about as dry as a hessle comp.

Sounding a little exasperated, DVA continues: "I just needed a change, bruv – I mean, six years of something is long. Imagine you’re with a girl for six years. You know what I mean? You’d probably split up! It just gets boring. Not that the show got boring, but six years of anything is long, so you’ve got to change up your life".

haha. IMAGINE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjJui88Zq2Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLgeqX-Tjvk

loving this new paul woolford thing

http://soundcloud.com/platform/special-request-alone

So shit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q5SdAFlk_Q

baby boy loose this track, baby boy loose this track.

in other news.

I really didn't see myself being a Paul Woolford fan after so many years of well dad house but damn he's finding a vibe the last few years.

LHF album? opinions?

i've been enjoying woolford for awhile now, feel like the turning point was actually around 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-sh8mi0cio

also really like this recent one, "can't do without"

although it definitely doesn't need to be 8:27 long

and then right after that obv he killed it with "erotic discourse"

not sure how that could every qualify as dad-house

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahlHAMP-TIo

Royal T's refix of I Luv U is inasane.

this is a 2011 track but it looks like nobody ever talked about it on ILM?

i heard it's not going to get a release, fucking crazy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR2lKUvN_BI

loved pearson sound rewinding this on boiler room #47

http://soundcloud.com/platform/br-47-pearson-sound?page=3

starts coming in at 32:30

'This is killing me: the song featured in last week's Dusk & Blackdown Rinse mix that samples The Breakfast Club - "Well, if you say you haven't, you're a prude. If you say you have you're a slut. It's a trap. You want to but you can't, and when you do you wish you didn't, right?" Anybody? Thanks.

― viborg, Saturday, 3 March 2012 17:37 (1 month ago) Permalink'

Oh yeah sorry this is 'Kook' by Presk out now on Fourth Wave.

http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/03/sr-mix-125-presk-fourth-wave/

^ Big fan of that Presk tune.

Yeah it's now stuck in my head and probably will be all week.

Also, Jimmy Edgar 'For the Children'. Maybe that's more bobbins? I don't fully understand the difference.

loving this new paul woolford thing

http://soundcloud.com/platform/special-request-alone

― lukas, Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:20 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

Alone is pretty good but I like this one even better (Lolita)

http://soundcloud.com/specialrequest/special-request-1-2-lolita

Vessel is on one at the moment:

http://soundcloud.com/left_blank/b1-merge-preview

The Panther Modern record is ace too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyLw0oaW4ok

is this the thread where you all talk about more beatmaker-y shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB2KqNtcrzs

into this song even tho it sounds like something I prob was into like 10 years ago or something

Hey, this Distal album I'm listening to is nice!!

is this the thread where you all talk about more beatmaker-y shit

yes please

"kook" is pretty good, what w/ a great sample, epic synth vibe and creepy "presk" vocal clip, but i still prefer "sweat" (presk & cinnaman)

presk IS killing it though, four for four on dope EPs

btw is it just me or does croydon house sample "sacred cycles"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uGrooVLjhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZG7VbZuWcs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOqm3VMJrh8

Another Presk track, remixing Tessela and Hackman. The rest of the 12" is wicked too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAShDUquFg

Feeling the latest South London Ordnance on 2nd Drop too: http://soundcloud.com/stholdings/south-london-ordnance

Anybody like that Kry Wolf track up on XLR8R?

http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2012/05/under-my-skin

the first four tracks of this new slugabed album are great, but then it turned into a blur of hi-fi synth-fusion to me (ie no hooks). maybe i shouldn't have tried to listen to it all at once.

NEWFLASH - MOSCA BITES HAND THAT FEEDS

going back to '09 listening to Marcus making this weird, weird house music basically that brings in all these elements, I wanna go back to that. If you want a guitar in your track, that's cool, you can do that. Now in UK bass you cannot have guitars—that's one of the rules. You have to have 808s, big Julio Bashmore bass, a US rap sample repeated, cowbell, a little Burial garage sample and a Deadboy synth that goes "eeewwwaaooo," bending all over the place. And those are the rules now. And you do get a lot of, it's just the same old same old that I get sent. There's so many people making music now, that it's flooded.

Bashmore has actually been using guitar a lot on his recent stuff

http://www.fritenite.com/2012/05/17/podcast-23-grenier/

I'm really psyched that DJG seems to be extricating himself from dubstep and slowly evolving into something else.

He was way too cool for the kids he was hanging out with IMO.

Having been going over old DMZ tracks in the last few days I was wondering if it makes sense to have a Dance Partisans of the Past thread, encompassing everything from early 00's proto dubstep to cotemporary Bass, or whether assorted thread already suffice?

I wouldn't mind having a place to get nostalgic about my record crates.

Ate a lot of ramen so that I could buy all those DMZ platters.

Oh god, I don't want to think about my current diet when I look at my records in 10 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Xcbw4Lmpg

Throws up devil horns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCJEHIVQTJU

Looks like XLR8R just got bought by Buzzmedia, RIP.

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/genre/dance/buzzmedia-acquires-xlr8r-1007189552.story

Is there anything resembling an independent English language dance publication left?

Little White Earbuds?

And I by publication I mean something with a separate editorial entity from the marketing department, no offense meant to Sonic Router or any of the other blobs out there.

Blogs, stupid phone.

This next banging track is brought to you by Red Bull Music Academy, Scion A/V, Nike, etc.

oh how i wish that typo had appeared on the fluxblob thread

I would never be that mean to poor Matthew, we used to talk about comic books.

This Resident Advisor review is brought to you by Juno Plus.

you're breaking my heart here

Its just annoying, no need for a coronary.

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/magazine/nouveau-palais-album

Canadian rapper turned house producer Sixtoo/Prison Garde.

Bringing that gritty funk from the mean streets of Vancouver.

http://www.misfitopia.com/uploads/1250621854/gallery_1_1_11337.jpg

I'm torn between my desire to hate on the Red Bull Music Academy and my desire to give them a thumbs up for giving away free FLACs.

http://www.spin.com/blogs/edm-las-vegas-desert-mirage

If EDM is this decade's alternative rock, does that make Skrillex: Eddie Vedder?

My mate Sully was good enough to pop down and do a set for us on Saturday. I may be biased, but the guy needs his own Fabric cd - very cool blends of uk bass and us-style house, lots of cut-up mixes etc.

I know dungeon dubstep is backward looking and not very exciting to most but I'm determined to plumb the depths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO7hAvREQRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcaET63Udhw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fePcmU8drI

Ok this isn't dungeon, but it's weird and good.

that's cool but also almost entirely based on what is known in my circle as 'the forbidden rhythm'

What kick on the 1 and 2 and snare on the 3 ?

is that the lambada rhythm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyXVwuDJXwE&feature=related

This one? Sounds sort of like a clave, slower reggaeton kind of thing.

Swindle is probably referencing soca more than anything but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Speaking of latin rhythms and dubstep, so psyched for the new Mala album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyCRbgN2zdQ

da da da-da da

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuQMaUGmEn0&feature=related

Seriously listen to the last minute and a half on that one.

forbidden rhythm =

1   2   3   4
x-x-xx-x-x-xx-x-

super curious why it's forbidden

yup, especially the first half:

1 2 3
x-x-xx-x-

it's like the go-to unfunky clave for fake latin beats. sure it can be voiced well or disguised/extended but i try to stay away from it when possible.

aka 'the white man's rhythm'

is there a link to an mp3 where i can hear that rhythm? i am terrible at reading tab for beats.

It works well in that track.

yeah agreed.

my mind is going blank for classic examples but i will post one when i think of it.

Those mala tracks sound great. I was wondering what he's been up to, so bring on the album.

I guess I should listen to those Mala tracks now. I only had time to listen to one track before I left for work and I was intrigued by the forbidden rhythm, which now that I think of it, might be kind of similar to a montuno rhythm in how it switches from on- to off-beat?

ha ok, here is an audio example of the forbidden rhythm: www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=h3JFEfdK_Ls#t=145s

don't know why that didn't embed, but check the piano lick in chorus of billy joel's 'my life'.

ha

I think the difference is it being just one layer of polyrhythm in the Swindle versus being the sole point of rhythmic interest in the Billy Joel.

can't believe nobody's ever sampled the first minute of that billy joel track, never heard that part before

oh, you're just talking about the hat rhythm at the beginning of the swindle track?

bum bum badabum bum?

can't believe nobody's ever sampled the first minute of that billy joel track, never heard that part before

had the same thought

oh, you're just talking about the hat rhythm at the beginning of the swindle track?

nah, the main handclap rhythm that comes in at :38 and then gets passed around to the bass > synths > everything

heh that rhythm is quite overused in grime

i mean ffs how often do you hear a wide-open break like that?

re: billy joel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNqTz2mMwNE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDNrvZI7jkc

Billy Joel and the Great Forbidden Rhythm Swindle.

http://www.djtechtools.com/2012/06/17/the-age-of-the-edm-rockstar/

Finding the sudden popularity of "EDM" sort of depressing, but not nearly as depressing as all the crappy articles popping up in my Facebook page. This doesn't feel like winning.

Let's combine all the worst excesses of disco, rave and festival cultures and call it a trend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZDF7nqCF0

Need some easy listening music to relax.

super bangin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBo0ZlVIbZw

This might have a little crossover with the Interzone Bubblers thread, but the new LOL Boys Enter the Unknown mix for UTTU is pretty stunning: http://boomkat.com/cds/533842-lol-boys-enter-the-unknown

It's got a lot of stuff going on in the mix but what strikes me most is how it reminds me a lot of 92/93 hardcore.

"Moments In Heartbreak" sounded better the first time I heard it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4j52okTgO8&feature=related

But yeah, UTTU really is a great label.

some nice rave vibe here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgJtq5oL8Q4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4aEvXZGwAo&feature=player_embedded

Sonic the Hedgehog grime with Atlanta inspired snares.

I absolutely refuse anything that wasn't made in Atlanta "trap" music.

you're in for a fun year then

Currently holding my hands over my ears and yelling "La La La".

purely and simply music for dickheads

Generally I prefer Slackk's slightly housier productions to his stiff, stop-start grime-influenced bits but Blue Sleet has grown on me a lot, I like the way it builds up.

it's a fun little tune, doesn't seem especially "trap"-influenced to me compared to a lot of 2012 productions.

i love the new Airhead joint ("pyramid lake").

the best thing about that video is the old school cgi which of course they fail to credit

http://www.nataliastuyk.com

My first attempt at 3D - an aerial odyssey over mountains, cities and mirrored deserts for Slackk's track Blue Sleet, produced by Local Action Records.

WUT WUT WUT WUT~~~

^ I get your point (erm or at least I think I do) but I feel that with Slackk and a lot of other recent stuff that draws on early grime the point is that it's done as an almost scholarly exercise you're supposed to recognize the reference points. To me it's almost the dance/electronic equivalent of 'record-collection rock', where informed listeners will take pleasure in spotting all the classic building blocks and the way they've recombined.
In general I think a lot of the fans of Night Slugs and stuff with a similar aesthetic value it because it combines elements of stuff they were already into - grime, r&b, US regional club genres - and the fact that they've managed to achieve critical and dancefloor popularity with those elements feels to the long-termers like a kind of vindication.

Obv there's loads of projection and supposition in this argument - part of prob comes from my online interaction with Slackk who in his tasted comes over as an almost obsessively 'proper grime' kind of guy so it's hard not to see his doing genre exercises like this as an act of tribute on his part, paying homage to his roots. And obv the response will vary from listener to listener, and there will be some people out there going 'woah this is so fresh, how on earth did he come up with such striking synth and drum sounds?' in which case yeah you're perfectly entitled to point them straigh to things like the TNT mix (which I'm banging out right now).

Should be 'scholarly exercise where you're supposed to', posting in a bit of a rush.
More generally I admire the certainty and purity of your tastes in these things, but for better or worse it's not how I am, if I were to draw lines with that degree of confidence it would feel dishonest.

i think rtc is mad because an online music magazine called slackk "future grime"

Nah, nah, he's hyper-grime. Intelligent grime for dickheads, right?

g^2

I think I may agree with Lex in that Ikonika's newest overshadows this one considerably, similar sound palette.

Still the CGI is cool, and 99% of juke/trap/whatever coming out of the UK is just annoying.

i'm surprised it's contemporary cgi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HzyUHxmkg0&feature=relmfu

Ehhh.

Lunice, sounding like a twat

“(Mohawke) was saying, a lot of people on major labels, they know we’re around. They’re very well aware of us, but don’t even bother trying to contact us. They just straight frickin’ rob us, almost. I wouldn’t say ‘rob’ – (they) just get the idea, then get another producer to do it. And for a while we were like, ‘Whatever, we’ve got our own little scene going, I don’t mind and it’s all good”. But after that we were like, “Okay, okay, hold up, it’s getting a little too obvious!”

“We didn’t think about breaking in fully until we did the TNGHT project together, and the response we got from rappers from that. We were like, “You know what? Let’s just straight bring it in. Straight bring it in. We’ve been doing this shit for years, and it’s not like we’re new or anything, it’s not like we’re new money shit, it’s not like we came out of the blue and we blew up like crazy. We’ve built a whole foundation of our work. So it’s about that time. I feel like that sort of movement is backed with all of our homies together, like: “This is us! You can’t do this shit! You can’t just take our ideas and come up with it all after all these years. We’re coming for you!’ (Laughs). That kind of thing.”

xxxp eh i am nothing like a tru grime soldier and couldnt really give a stuff how it gets dressed up these days. grime lifers are p much the worst tbh

just inchoate contempt and eye-rolling for chillwave 8bar and the wonderful world of fact music debasing every currency available as usual is all

i know i shouldve been grown up enough to resist straying onto this terre mavaise again

nngh mauvaise even

never misspell the 10 cent word, kids

at least they're unapologetic/direct about wanting to make rap beats and do production work for mainstream vocalists, that's kind of refreshing.

who would want to apologize for making $$$$$ is what i want to know

i was more talking about the "they're stealing our ideas" bit

Didn't Kanye just commission a remix from them?

dunno? Mohawke contributed "additional instruments" to "Mercy"

who would want to apologize for making $$$$$ is what i want to know

i mean wanting to engage with u.s. rap artists rather than just making their own insular/instrumental version of it.

i was more talking about the "they're stealing our ideas" bit

yeah that's ridiculous. i don't doubt that lots of u.s. producers are aware of them, but clearly a ton of ideas have flowed the other way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETdeV8nvmVs&feature=player_embedded#!

I guess this is what I was thinking of, just an edit.

On a brighter note, Eprom's take on this sound is kind of more my thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K-RXu_pDFQ

is that danton eeprom?

I don't know if any of you follow SergDun on twitter but his rants about "nerds ruining trap" have been entertaining.

No, I think this guy is Bay Area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=h0_rY4_rbkQ

this is the best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqVjfKuN3TM

also v. good in a similar vein:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_DymGi9f7g

I love Shigeto, thanks for the heads up on that one. You're the Jordan that lives in Madison, right?

yup - are you in town?

Yeah, I thought it was funny that we both listen to and make the same general kinds of music in the same city and haven't ever met.

Unless you hang out at the DJ shop or know Wyatt Agard, I used to go to his Ableton classes.

yeah that is crazy given what a small town this is, although i don't go out to a ton of shows/dj nights unless i'm playing or a friend is. i might have met wyatt once through my friend nate, but don't know him.

we should hang though, lemme know if you have a gig coming up or whatever.

I pretty much gave up deejaying when I started to get serious about making beats again, I've got the Traktor setup but its been gathering dust for a while.

Need to get back on that horse soon, I guess.

word. we should probably take it off-thread but i've been doing Chants shows at least monthly, come say hi sometime!

this Arca record is inspiring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgOxm5qK4Wc&feature=player_embedded#!

Pay very close attention to the flow.

my shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RomudoedQ

Crazy detailed production is crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Nx1ova5BSG8

http://soundcloud.com/markrh/sets/12-coming-july-2012

Aardvarck's last couple releases have been huge sounding, gigantic drums.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1709

Feel a migraine coming on.

At risk of turning this thread into my blog, anyone listened to the NeferTT release on Hotflush?

I've been trying to figure out who it might be, Falty DL, Machinedrum, maybe Boxcutter?

Pyramel is cool.

It's a duo i think? Falty DL is definitely involved though

I could definitely see this being Falty DL and Boxcutter, sounds like a halfway point between their styles.

forget what counts as dance and what counts as bobbins and what counts as bass, but a friend of mine who spins in the city a lot and constantly is putting stuff together but until recently hasn't bothered putting anything out got a track on this top billing comp. http://topbillinmusic.bandcamp.com/album/bass-bonez-compiled-by-flipperi-2

haven't gotten a chance to spin the whole thing, but his joint is 'Always Got My Back' and I've been enjoying it / think it's good enough to call folks attn to.

cashemere cat y'al

l

this track is pretty dope, one of those times that 4-on-the-floor really works for me: braille, rise

How did this thread just sink? Anyways, it's obviously time for a '13 thread, but until then, THIS, THIS, THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esppoqlM9k0

Seems like most of the producers that I like from this thread ended up making techno. Or maybe I'm just listening to more techno, dunno.

just realized this thread went dead mid-year, wow

must've been around the time when all the post-dubstep dudes switched over to techno and house

Having EDM artists colonize your scene has a way of making people a little musically conservative, even Ikonika is talking about listening to Legowelt. Kryptic Minds, Untold, lots of people.

The other options are what? White boy juke? Trap? Endless Burial ripoffs?

I'm old, LOL.

i don't like the idea of splitting techno / house and partisans anymore

it seems insular

When I started the first partisans thread I wanted it to be for everything, then a separate thread was requested. So its fine by me.

I'm fighting a perverse desire to start a rolling EDM thread.

The finest in frat-house, bro-step and neon synth puke only.

If I recall there were originally impassioned pleas to merge the bobbins and partisans thread (since it is, y'know, pointless segregation), but the ILM massive (appropriately being dance music partisans about it) weren't having it.

Anyways, I just need somewhere to post this!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/AstgIr3CQAATQz8.jpg:large

Since I'm the creator of bobbins 2013 thread, I declare that you can post "partisan stuff" there. No need to make a new thread.